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Purpose of Suffering

Since God said to the apostoles I give you all power and also told them that greater works than His would happen.I often wonder why they had to suffer so much.

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To drag strangers into the conversation, Jesus said that the servant is not greater than the Master--and can you deny that He suffered?

Even early on in His ministry, in the Beatitutides, He spoke of suffering for His sake as a blessing.

But today's rich spoiled pop-evangelical will have none of it.
---Jack on 3/14/08

Philippians 3:10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/06

Romans 8:16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/06

1st Peter 4 has the answer:

1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

2That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/06

Hebrews 2:10
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 2:18
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/06

Each human being will suffer in a unique way.

---Reiter on 11/15/06

He told them they would suffer because they followed him that they would be hated, turned away, even killed. He tells us pick up our cross the cross is not a nice thing to pick up and carry. We suffer for many diff. reasons but each has a reason and we learn usually the most in these times.
---Jeanne on 11/14/06

Metal may be able to stand up to hell's tormenting fire, but it's not the best choice for people. I stand on Bible here. Once more I will shake heaven and earth, the sea and dry land; I will shake all nations, they shall come to the Desire of All Nations, and I will fill this temple with glory, says the Lord of hosts.
---Paul on 11/14/06

Ann, I think suffering might be a part of life, but not the purpose. Desire may well be the cause of all suffering.
---Catherine on 11/14/06

Suffering is tormenting fire.
You are just a piece of metal.
Put yourself through the fire.
You become as pure as gold.

---Reiter on 11/14/06

The bible teaches that suffering perfects our faith.makes it grow stronger,and deeper seated in jesus.When you finally learn to lean on God through sufferings man what a change.
---tom2 on 6/15/06

3. We are anointed for spiritual growth, and with growth comes pain. Through the hardships of life we recognize that in all we go through the Father makes a way for us to stand. Through these hardships the Father develops within us patience, endurance and tolerance. And gives us opportunity to exercise and demonstrate His faith. Greater is He who is within us then he who is in the world. The current sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared to the glory that shall be revealed in us.
---Josef on 6/2/06

Part 2. These opposers are used as tools to kindle or arouse that deceptive intelligence within the minds of His children, to bring up and out of us all that is within us for our examination. It is the error of this mentality which causes us to respond based on our external perceptions. The Spirit of the Father then brings to our attention the fallacy of this response so that it can be acknowledged as error, casted from the mind and recognized as a way of thinking that opposes who we are in Christ.
---Josef on 6/2/06

Part 1. For us to know the depths and heights of ourselves we must be exposed to all that is within us. Therefore the Father has created (dispatched) the fabricator, the falsifier, the worker of falsehoods, the deceiver that adds fuel to the fiery trials of life. It is Satan, the embodiment of that mentality that is in opposition to the divine expression of the character of the Father, that permeates the mind of carnal man that stands in darkness, obscurity and error of a sensually based mentally.
---Josef on 6/2/06

refinement,growth,patience,peace,joy,hope love,slow to anger,and dozen more attributes which come from a life experience thru suffering with jesus how in the world would you ever truly appreciate joy or any other good thing unless you have the opposite experience to gauge it with?greta joy with God means great suffering also that you might appreciate the joy and other blessings all the more.also God uses it to refine you.
---tom2 on 5/31/06

Because Jesus said that if we follow him, that we would go through persecution, but he always makes a way for us to escape. If a true Christian never goes through persecution, then they won't have faith to call upon God. they wouldn't know what faith is. We go through things to make us stronger in Christ and to help others along the way. there is a reason for everything we go through with. And only God knows the reasons.
---Rebecca_D on 5/30/06

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We are at war-Good against evil; the Spirit vs the flesh; we require tempering and conditioning. Some are on the front lines, some on the back. You'll know where your faith is when tried by fire. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. I believe the closer you are to Christ and the more you let your light shine, then the more you'll be dis'd by the enemy and the more you'll suffer persecution. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but YHWH saves him out of them all.
---Eloy on 5/29/06

All who live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. It is to see his almighty power. Job said, I have heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees you. Therefore I despise, and abase in dust and ashes. We know God, that he has the power to heal because he has healed us; or what better way to know that he can save, unless we need saving; or that he is able to destroy all our enemies, unless we are oppressed and struck by them.
---Eloy on 5/28/06

They needed to know suffering and so do we. If we had no struggles,no pain,no sickness, no fears, no feelings of would we ever get to exercise our faith? If we hadn't experienced His protection and strengthening in troubles, how convincing would we be in telling of His greatness? No one ever said " Easy for Paul to say "trust the Lord". His life is easy, he has no lack, no suffering. He wouldn't understand what MY life is like. Everything in Paul's life for God's glory.
---Donna2277 on 5/27/06

2) I think of Stephen while he was being stoned, looking up and seeing Jesus, and I am sure that in the very process of being killed he knew no pain but was in a place we could only wish to be, beholding the Lamb of God!!!!! I know too that God has shielded me in some of the most painful times of my life with peace and joy which surpassed human understanding and a knowledge of His presence.
---christina on 5/27/06

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Part 1)This is a question I have had also...and I hope to grow in my understanding. I recognize that the willingness to endure such suffering and the ability to go through the fire so to speak shows up God's power, greatness, aswell as a depth of love for God. All suffering is a result of living in this sinful world. It is all for His glory.
---christina on 5/27/06

I hate to say it, but I am grateful that Paul suffered and shared it with us in his epistles. He was able to proclaim the gospel no matter where he was. I can't compare what I have been through to his suffering. I won't even dare compare my suffering to the Lord's. But, 2 Corinthians tells us that God's grace is sufficient through our suffering. So, I see suffering as an opportunity to experience more of God's grace.
---Madison1101 on 5/27/06

3) because certain things aren't legally 100% under God's control, and He has to find a way to change of those ways was Jesus' death which took away the legal slavery to Satan and his damnation we were in. God gives you His Spirit to help overcome suffering. But when possible, he won't let you suffer. You don't have to go thru what the apostles did, or be afraid about suffering. If it comes, he'llsee you through.
---Okebaram on 5/27/06

2) Since man has dominion on earth, God needs man's dominion to intervene on earthly government affairs. So, by interceding, christians allowed God to step into the government and make it better in aspects of persecution as we can see today, especially in America. Jesus had to die, apostles had to suffer, we have to carry our crosses...why?
---Okebaram on 5/27/06

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Ann and lillie, if I can help, why not? The reason for persecution is that once the devil observes a strong child of God, especially one who is doing harm to his will or kingdom, he turns people against them in an attempt to stop them. With the apostles, their mission was very serious as it would bring the gospel to the entire world, to all gentiles. However, there are many places in Acts where God interevened and stopped an act of persecution or beating that was to happen to Paul.
---Okebaram on 5/27/06

1pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

The closer you grow to the Lord, the more suffering you will encounter. Why? The Lord uses them to perfect us.

Ro 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
---Debbie on 5/27/06

Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

2th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

2ti 2:12 IF we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
---Debbie on 5/27/06

Ro 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
---Debbie on 5/27/06

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Suffering can help us grow in patience James 1:2-3. It can help us grow in our appreciaion for the time we do/did not suffer. It can help us in making us more aware and dependant on Jesus for help, reminding us that He empathizes with us in our tough times. Heb 2:18. Jesus never promised His folowers a rose garden here on eath. He made it clear that as followers of His we would suffer. Luk 21:17-19. Hang in there, you are not alone! P.
---Pierr5358 on 5/27/06

Please...I'd love to know why we have to suffer so much. I understand that it gets us closer to God. However, the spirit can grow weary of excruciating, constant pain. Help me to understand too.
---Ann on 5/27/06

They suffered so much because of the persecution that they had by Pharisees, Saducees, etc. Believers who travel to other countries suffer persecution because of the beliefs the people have there.
In the bible, the word suffer usually means allow, but suffering isn't talking about being in lack. Poverty doesn't glorify God.
---Rickey on 5/27/06

when paul was converted jesus told a man who was to go see him where to go to find him and tell him how much he,meaning paul, waqs going to have to suffer for jesus.If you read the account of paul,s life and other followers of jesus in the early church suffering and trials was a big part of their lives.Paul along with many of the apostles were jailed,beaten,thrown overboard from ships,and many killed.I would say suffering they did.Read james 2 thru 4
---tom on 5/27/06

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because jesus told them that they would.he told us many of us would.
---tom2 on 5/27/06

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