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Must We Worship Mary

Isn't it right that we must worship the Mother of God?

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Andre, I know the scriptures well and no where in them does it say that it is a sin to ask someone who has died in Christ to pray for me.

The Bible does condemn the use of mediums to consult the dead to gain forbidden knowledge, but Catholics are forbidden to do this in full accordance with the scriptures. Since you are the one NOT following the scriptures for your accusation, but rather your personal interpretation biased by your faith tradition, why should I abandon the scriptures to follow you?
---lorra8574 on 9/14/07

Andrea, if asking Mary to pray for us circumvents our relationship with Christ, then why do the scriptures tell us that we must ask each other to pray for us and for us to intercede for each other - does this not circumvent our relationship with Christ in the same way? Jesus gave us several examples of saints that are alive in Christ, not comatose, and He asks us to pray for one another and gave us the Family as our example - God the Father, Christ the Son, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
---lorra8574 on 9/14/07

lorra - there is nothing odd about not praying to the dead. Mary is ans was blessed. She is still not OMNI-potent/present/scient or she would be God.

your insistence on defending anything RCC instead of scripture is troubling.
I'm sorry but it is sin to pray to the dead
---andre5846 on 9/14/07

something is indeed fishy. Unchurched fundies tell Catholics what we believe, and when shown otherwise, they claim we are lying. What is the agenda here? If you hate us so much why waste your limited time researching false doctrine?
---alexia on 9/14/07

Somebody asks a stupid question and the Mod gives a stupid answer instead of clarifying the issue.

NO CATHOLIC has ever claimed that we worship Mary. We only worship God and GOD ALONE. This repeated accusations smells fishy and it's an attempt to make others believe that we do worship Mary.

Get serious and act as Christians.
---Caring on 9/14/07

Andrea, if we are asked in the scriptures to do this for each other while still alive on earth, how does it become wrong for one person who is in Heaven? Your bias has caused you think in a very odd way.

The Bible also states that All Generations will call Mary "blessed" - yet now we have people calling themselves Christians while condemning Catholics for encouraging their daughters to be like Mary, as a role model. Just who should our daughters imitate? Brittany Spears?
---lorra8574 on 9/13/07

Andrea::Would you try a recepie thats tested & true.Of course you would. If Mary has been tested True obedient & shows she wants no honour but points the way to her saviour & this has been accepted by many past Great saints: why do you then say that she is taking the focus away from Jesus Her declared Saviour .Its you & those like you that propagate this falseness.Who is pulling the wool over whose eyes???Cohorts of the deciever practice this charade.
---Emcee on 9/13/07

she is not God - there is no reason to ask Mary to ask her son - it circunvents your relationship with Christ.
elevates mary - emphasis Mary - not Christ - anything that makes you take your eyes off Jesus is wrong.
---Andrea on 9/13/07

Andrea, correction, without God Mary could not do that. With God's help and all the time in the universe, Mary can do anything. So can we.

Jesus said that if we had faith the size of a mustard seed we could instruct mountains to move and they would. Common sense tells us that this is insanely ridiculous and impossible. But then so is walking on water, and Peter did that if only briefly.
---lorra8574 on 9/13/07

I have researched this too. And There are many hateful sites trying to condemn the Catholics. This is truly evil.
Plus if you really know your studies well, you would know that the Mary we all know and love, the Blessed Mother of our Lord, would never lead anyone away from Christ.
There is only One God.
Everyone Christian knows that.
---Lisa on 9/13/07

All::In the order of nature,a child must have a father & mother,so likewise in the order of GRACE,a true child of the church must have God for His Father and Mary for His mother,If any one should glory in having God for his father and has not the love of a true child for Mary, then he is a deciever and the only father he has is the devil.Mary forms the members of Jesus,as she did in her conception.
---Emcee on 9/13/07

Andrea:: "My soul doth magnify the lord my saviour"does not show her to be seeking fame & diety accalamation, its in the minds of those shrill & thrill seekers who cannot see the evil for the truth therein.Only the TRUTH will set you free which is in Matt16:17-19
---Emcee on 9/13/07

Alexia/Lisa - some of us have done a lot of research on christian and Catholic sites.

to give the attributes of God to a human is to raise that person to diety.

if she can hear and answer billions of prayers - she is taking the focus off of Christ and that alone is anti-christ.
Mary would not do that.
---Andrea on 9/13/07

jody? worshipping sin? I'm confused on what you mean here. Does worship of someone mean you think they are god? Does praying to someone make that worship? Is Jesus God?
---alexia on 9/13/07

It is idolatry to worship sin and in violation of the First commandment of Moses. Also against the commandment of Jesus to love God with all your heart , mind and soul. Cant do that if part of it is going to a DEAD Mary. I love and respece mary about eve or sarah,ruth or the others but they are ALL dead while Christ LIVES and REIGNS. Mary has nothing to do with salvation and everything to do with false doctrine that is HELL BOUND. sorry. I pray for all rcc's
---jody_martin on 9/13/07

When you pray toward something you are worshiping it. When you kneel before a statue, build temples and name them "Queen of Heaven" - 1000's of them - guess what - its worship.

You've made Mary co-mediator -to answer prayers - she has to be GOD!
To hear a billion prayers she'd have to be diety!
---Andrea on 9/12/07

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I don't know anyone that worships Mary, and I'm Catholic.
They honor her as the Mother of our Lord.
They ask all people in heaven to pray for us on earth as well as the living on earth.
All are alive.

There is only one God worthy of Worship.
And everyone knows that.
There is only one Son our Lord Jesus Christ Savior of the world. There is only one Holy Spirit.
And there will always be the Blessed Mother of our Lord. What a great Mother.
Honor her.
---Lisa on 9/12/07

We have this argument over and over. Some of you need to learn to do research and not on just your fundamentalist apologetics sites. These arent giving you unbiased opinion. Mr/mrs/ms moderator? is it helpful when you clearly always favor one side ? Why cant you run this like other sites? what are you folks afraid of?
---alexia on 9/12/07

Why would we worship Mary, the mother of Jesus? Did Mary lay down her life willinging to save sinners? Did Mary hang on the Cross of Calvary and shed her blood to pay the price for us to have eternal life? As unworthy and wretched sinners as we are, only Jesus Christ paid the price. Him and only Him would I dare to worship. The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Glory and Praise to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
---Cynthia on 9/11/07

Worship? Pray to? No on both counts. I don't see any biblical reason and not only that there is nothing she can do for me. If you start worshiping and praying to her then you make her deity and that is not biblical.

Luke 1:30 The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Finding favor and being deity is quite a different thing. All followers and believers in Christ find favor with God.
---denna7667 on 9/11/07

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I guess it is ok to update an old post on CN or maybe it was a typo.But it would be interesting to know WHY?I may be in my twilight years but still of sound mind this post is a year old.
---Emcee on 9/11/07

I guess it is ok to update an old post on CN or maybe it was a typo.But it would be interesting to know WHY?I may be in my twilight years but still of sound mind this post is a year old.
---Emcee on 9/11/07

Lupe,Lupe ::You are contradicting yourself,your reply to Mary Louise you say one is saved by Grace through Faith only & in Your Verse 3 you say faith without works is dead so where goes your OSAS theory which you deny by these 2 statements.Maybe you are getting ALL confused. REALLY!!
---Emcee on 9/11/07

Christina-(Why name so few as brothers or sisters in such a crowd if they are not literally Jesus' siblings?) Because, these were his relatives/cousins, in Genesis 11:26-28 Lot is Abraham nephew, but Lot call him brother. Genesis 29:15 Laban calls Jacob brother, even though he is his nephew.
---ruben on 7/18/06

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The Church has withstood the test of time because Jesus Christ promised it would.

"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Matt 16:18
---augusta on 7/18/06

Emcee, I am leaving this blog because as I feel in my heart, it is not doing nothing to help you. I still love you and think you are a great guy no matter if we don't agree.
---Lupe2618 on 7/18/06

yes Emcee, it has withstand the test of time because God has a purpose for it in the end times. The only way it can be as God said it would be, it has to survive through whatever it goes through, as the case of Pharoah, God had a purpose for Him, and he also survived until God completed His purpose.
---lee_1 on 7/18/06

to those who believe referrals in the word to brothers or sisters of Jesus not being meant literally...look at the whole context. In crowds of people brothers and/or sisters are stated to be among us, or with us...clearly many are not brothers or sisters in the crowds though many were believers. Why name so few as brothers or sisters in such a crowd if they are not literally Jesus' siblings?
---christina on 7/18/06

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(2) for the arrival of Jesus is great but in no way was she to take a position of high worship or Peter as high worship, or anyone else but our Lord Jesus Christ. The popes through time have elevated her status and made her diety and the followers believe she is now able to be our mediator while everyone outside of the Catholic church understands the real position of Mary the Catholics persist to follow something that is not Scriptural.
---lee_1 on 7/18/06

God said we should not worship any other god
but him(EXODUS 20:3-5). Mary was Jesus's mother,this is true,and we should ackowledge that.But to put her in the category to be worshipped is not scriptural, and therefore is erroneous.
---const8573 on 7/18/06

I believe they make excuses that since Jesus was born of Mary, she is able to now intercede for them yet the point of Scripture from the beginning is that man has fallen and God has made it possible to be right with God through His Son Jesus. And that through Him the lost can come to repentance and be one with Christ. Has nothing to do with Paul or Peter or Mary or anyone else. They are just people that God used through His plan. That Mary was blessed is awesome and that she was used as a vessel
---lee_1 on 7/18/06

Lee1:: I guess if one is NOT in agreement with your views then the resultant answer would be Negatative.Right.May I suggest there is another view, even looking at the same mountain.most other denominations sprang from Protestanism& this was round about 1600& the birth of the KJV in that era. Protestantism is slowing dying out but the other denominations remain But the RCC Jesus's Church withstands the test of time, with all its persecutions.
---Emcee on 7/18/06

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I don't want to be so blunt, but Mary is dead and, no doubt, be raised during the first resurrection with the other Christians. Everyone is dead until the first or second resurrection. Every one including the prophets, the good people, the bad people, and every person from the president to the person living in the streets. Catholics pray to saints, they repeat prayers in vain, they have statues people pray to, they pray to Mary, etc. They pray in vain to dead people.
---Steve on 7/17/06

Robert because of how Ruben and Emcee answer, is the reason you get negative responses. Withing the denomination there is disagreement. I talked to a priest and he told me they don't worship saints and don't want the followers to worship saints. He said that many have done that through tradition and also through visions others have had. They, The church cannot stop them. Well, in my opinion they don't make an effort. I think that is the worst thing I see.
---lee_1 on 7/17/06

Robert-(Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.) Mary Magalene knew jesus had no brothers because she was with these men: Mark 15:40,"Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.
---ruben on 7/17/06

Robert- As you know the word BROTHERS is use so many ways like for instance : John 20:17-18 "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' " Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her."
---ruben on 7/17/06

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(2) I can see that you are more prepared with Scripture then they are. I don't want you to think everyone is out to get anyone in the Catholic denomination, and I also know in many other denominations also have the Scriptures wrong. It is happening all over. That is why we should talk about doctrines and not about someone else.
---lee_1 on 7/17/06

Robert, I answered you before but not sure if it went through. I wanted to say that you do not believe what the others here are stating about Mary. You are correct about Mary and about our Mediator, Jesus Christ. The reason people answer is because Emcee, Ruben and others have said that Mary is also our mediator. Many answers have been given but what I think is that not everyone is on the same page. many do believe in tradition and so follow tradition because that is the way others believed through time.
---lee_1 on 7/17/06

Lupe:You did not consider my question,very evasive.Worship is a word given to GOD & GOD alone by forceing your mind to suggest that others do the same is untrue.Veneration is a step below worship& this is given to Her because of Her office in relation to Jesus.If Christ is the head of His church & we follow him then it stands to reason that we should do the same --But no one is holding a gun to your head either, free will you know.Peace be with you Friend.Read Matt11;25-27& reflect the question again.
---Emcee on 7/17/06

Thanks Robert, I believe you to be a sincere man in the understanding of your nature& enlightenment.However I offer you Matthew11;V25-27 there are many things in the bible that are not discernable.The key to Holiness Is Belief & unswerving Faith.
---Emcee on 7/17/06

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If you have the light within you, please join me in praying for those whose minds are trapped by the RCC.
---mima on 7/17/06

Mary was not sinless. She was pure and decent. Her motherhood ofChrist followed into the motherhood of other children, named in the Bible they are

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

(New Testament | Mark 6:3)

Mary and Joseph "knew" one another after the birth of Christ but not before.
---Robert on 7/17/06

Good morning Emcee, I will answer with this. If you want to worship Christ along for your life that is awesome. If you want to worship saints as Mary and Paul and others, its your choice. Remember free will, so no one is holding a gun to your head. Our Mediator is Christ and only Christ. You will always choose what the desire of your heart is. You have taken a stand on what your desire is. So do as you like.
---Lupe2618 on 7/17/06

I do not doubt the purity of Mary, but there is only one Mediator, Jesus Christ, and He needs no mediatrix. There is an awesome truth about Mary in the Gospel of Luke.

"And Mary kept these things, and pondered them in her heart."

She never elevated herself in life. Why would she in death?

Attacking Catholicism is a game to Evangelicals. I am asking them to consider their own walk. Not on your side - I am not your enemy, but your friend.
---Robert on 7/17/06

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Easy as it is to attack Catholicism, it is just as easy to find fault in the entire Traditonal Christian Church.

It is essential to man to make sure that he is not personally worshipping a false premise or God. Just as Mary has been turned into a statue by the R.C Church, so to has the fish been used by the other side of that particular divide. Read the second commandment and understand that the fish is covered among the, "Thou shalt NOTs"
---Robert on 7/17/06

This is a typical question in a Protestant blog. Absolutely not. WE should not worship Mary, but neither should we follow the false doctrines and preachers of modernity. We should not seek counsel from the Bible Answerman, or from the Chat forums at CARM, the blogs or any professional preacher of any type or condition.
---Robert on 7/17/06

Lupe ::Here is a thought for you to unravel.We all know that the Holy spirit overshadowed Mary& she conceived by the Holy spirit.since you doubt the authenticity of her purity.Can you explain to me what relation ship she would bear by agreeing to be the mother of her God, keeping in mind that she is now the spouse of the Holy Spirit.If so why is she denied this Title MOTHER OF GOD, Queen of Heaven.
---Emcee on 7/16/06 you worship Noah, Moses, Abraham, Paul, John the Baptist, etc? Jesus is the only way to God, and no one should take his place when we go to worship!
---Ralph on 7/16/06

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Ruben ... one thing you have never answered is this "Why is it so important to the RCC that Mary did not have children after Jesus?"
If she had further children, it would not have been as a result of sin, since making love within marriage is not sinful.
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/28/06

Lupe-(Ask hard questions.) Where did Jesus give instructions that the christian faith should be based exclusively on a book? Where did Jesus tell his apostles to write ANYTHING down and complie it into an authoriative book? Last one, where in scripture does it say Mary had other children?(Please, do not give me Jesus had brothers...thanks
---ruben on 6/28/06

Ruben, I have a lot more that I could put down but its not going to change the condition you are in. You are stuck in a very deep hole and cannot see the truth from there. I would suggest for you to let up and give the RCC a break. As I said before, there is so much information about the RCC. You should pick a subject of Scripture for others to answer not RCC history, that is too easy. Ask hard questions.
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

Lupe, nobody question about Mary been without sin by the Early Fathers, as well as the Fathers of the Protestants Refomers. In the late 16 and 17, then they(some protestants started to teach the other way, then the Pope define the Immaculate Conception 1854. You say you have read the history of the Church, but you seem to miss this one...thanks
---Ruben on 6/27/06

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Lupe-"Let woman praise Her, the pure Mary."
Ephraim,Hymns on the Nativity,15:23(A.D. 370),in NPNF2,XIII:254 "Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair, there is no flaw in thee and no stain in thy Mother."
"Ephraem,Nisibene Hymns,27:8(A.D. 370),in THEO,132 "Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin."
Ambrose,Sermon 22:30(A.D. 388),in JUR,II:166
---Ruben on 6/27/06

Lupe-(during the twelth century. Up until Pope Pius IX defined the immaculate conception ) Not true at all, "He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption."
Hippolytus,Orat. Inillud, Dominus pascit me(ante A.D. 235),in ULL,94 "This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one."
Origen,Homily 1(A.D. 244),in ULL,94
---Ruben on 6/27/06


You are in grave error and have been misled by the leaders of your church. "Come out from among them lest ye become like them," is the cautionary word from the Bible. Many believe that this is a harmless practice, but I am telling you that it is a pagan practice that will NOT be overlooked by God.
---Crystal on 6/27/06

We are not required to ask ANY saint (earthly or heavenly) to intercede for us in prayer. We do so because we belong to the new covenant family, and like a family it's about WE and Christ, not just "ME and Christ."
---augusta on 6/27/06

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I believe Ruben if you study the history of the church you will come to know the truth and this way you will have the answers for your own questions. Information for everyone to see. No one is without excuse that have the means to know the truth.
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

Augusta ... if anyone is to look up your profile, you will need to give your full name and number, to identify you on the Penpal section.
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/27/06

3. infallable Pope Pius IX made his decree. He said, " We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the most blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved from from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful."
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

2. the leaders of the RCC disagreed on how Mary was conceived. The problem was the original sin. Pope Gregory the Great said: "Christ alone was conceived without sin" He said all human beings are sinful, even the holiest, with the sole exception of Christ. His reasoning and that of all the Fathers of the RCC leaves no doubt in the matter. The sex act always involved sin. Mary was conceived normally, therefore in sin; Jesus was conceived virginally, therefore without original sin. Not until
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

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Ruben, first of all many within the RCC church have changed many things for their followers during the history of the RCC. When the subject of Mariology doctrine came into the picture very seriously was during the twelth century. Up until Pope Pius IX defined the immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary in Ineffabilis Deus on the eighth day of December 1854, before that time since the twelth century
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

MaryLouise - I was just reading my Blogs and I really do apologise to you. I made a big mistake in saying what I did about Augusta -- Augusta is one of the other Bloggers on here! LOL -- I thought you were talking about an Apostle! Sorry. (I'm just going to go get the egg off my face LOL).
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

MaryLouise - We should read and thereby "listen" to the Apostles' word only if it is in God's Word, the Bible, which is infallible. We should not listen to something that is only supposedly the Apostles' word, which would mean something that is not in God's Word.. hope I am making sense ok.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

2/... MaryLouise - You see the words of the Apostles perse are all written down in God's Word, the Bible. This is opposite to catholic tradition which is written elsewhere, and is in no way part of God's inspired Word. Hope this makes sense to you. This is where all the confusion and misunderstanding has arisen regarding "traditions". I use God's Word only in it's entirety.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

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MaryLouise - When you talk about Augusta you talk about someone who was NOT one of the Apostles. ALL of the Apostles are named in the Bible. What Lupe said is right. The "traditions" you are talking about is Catholic tradition handed down from only 1500 years ago onwards, whereas God's Word in it's entirety is from the Cross onwards which is just over 2,000 years ago.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

Augusta - We all have the same problem I think with these Blogs, because there is only enough space for 85 words in one Blog. So what I do when I don't have room, I do more than one until I'm finished. One time recently I think I did 6 or 7!! Hope this helps. Bless you.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

Lupe-( sex was sin, I did not say that at all. That is what the Catholic Church said it was )I do respect, the Catholic Church has never taught that sex is a sin,some Franciscan might have wrote what you said, but he does not represents the church. Please grab the Catechism of the Catholic Church and there you will find what the Church teaches...Thanks
---Ruben on 6/27/06

MaryLouise, when someone says tradition they're speaking of Catholic tradition. Not the words of the Apostles. Tradition is considered to be what the Catholic church has said to be true and authoritative, which many times is so wrong and not truth. Just for your information. Study to be approve Marylouise, and you will find the truth.
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

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Helen, I'm new to these blogs and am still trying to figure out how to navigate them. The space to write here is so limited that it's difficult to address all the posts and remain on topic or address any adequately. So feel free to look up my profile and email me if you'd like to have a more indepth discussion. This invitation is open to anyone who's interested in discussing the bible in an orderly, respectful manner.
---augusta on 6/27/06

"you cannot take one little Verse of Scripture and make something out of that." ~Helen

"2 Tim 3:16: "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness. . ."
---MaryLouise on 6/27/06

"It does not tell me ANYWHERE in my Bible to follow traditions." ~Helen

Helen, did you read what Augusta posted:

"2 Thess 2:15 is the nail in the "bible alone" coffin. Paul was clear that we are to follow the written AND oral word.

"So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."

We clearly ARE supposed to listen to what the Apostles taught!!!
---MaryLouise on 6/27/06

2. As for the Catholic church, I believe since I am a believer in the Sovereignty of God that the RCC has a purpose in God's plan just as Pharoah had a purpose in God's plan. It could be that it is the church spoken of in Revelations and if it is, it has to servive till that time. Just as Pharoah did to complete God's plan. Maybe its for another reason, only God knows. It should not stop us from bringing others to the Truth.
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

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Let me answer a question I got, and that I meant to say that sex was sin, I did not say that at all. That is what the Catholic Church said it was, so the theology about Mary came to be that she was sinless all through her life. All this came from the theologian Franciscan Duns Scotus,in the Catholic church in the twelth century. Of course sex is not sin in a marriage. But in her case people didn't want her to be placed in the same sentence and that is why they came out with what they did.
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

6. No Emcee, I don't know everything. That is why I study. You said a million or so others, well just stop to think how many of those millions don't know you have to be born again. Just think how many got out because they decided one day to know the truth. How many through the centuries did get out because they too found out. You don't stop to think about that only that your traditions are correct, and that you want to be a loyal follower of your church, forgetting you have to be a follower of Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

5. Which is not Scripture. I begin to see that many are bringing things of the Church out about the priest and I decided to get off the Catholic blogs but you pull me right back in. You put down on an answer what you believed and I saw what you said about the priest been ordained by Jesus. And that is why I put down what I did. Your answer just proves how much you know. Jesus did not ordained those guys. Real people did, and those real people are as bad as the ones that put them in,
---Lupe2618 on 6/27/06

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