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Pastor Or The People Minister

Who ministers in your church, the pastor or the people that sit in the pews?

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 ---Thomas on 6/6/06
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Madison1101: Your church is right on. The pastor should minister to the people. That is a good thing. But the people should also be allowed to minister to each other and the community. Community means visitors,friends,family and whomever we come in contact with.
---Robyn on 11/1/07

In my church both minister. The pastoral staff ministers to the people which enables the people to minister to each other and the community. Each uses their spiritual gift for the building up of the body and the preaching and teaching of the gospel of Jesus.
---Madison1101 on 11/1/07

Everybody who names the name of Christ.
---Linda6563 on 4/1/07

all christians are commanded to preach the gospel and try to get people saved the pastor is the minister, sheep multiply, the Shepard ministers to the sheep. Only those who have been appointed to minister in church have authority, outside the church all christians can minister but within a ministry all should honor the authority there,but I know there are exceptions to the rule in some instances.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06

As christians we should minister to each other.BUT leave the preaching to the pastor and the convicting to the holy spirit.
---tom2 on 6/22/06

In my church the pastor preaches the word, and the holy spirit ministers to the people. hearing the word.holy spirits work to convict.people should encourage and be accountable to one another in all things.
---tom2 on 6/22/06

4. Hasn't someone in your church ever just come up to you and "blessed" you with money and said "the Lord told me to give you this"? That's the same principal as what I'm talking about on how to BLESS a visiting minister. If this has never happened to you, then apparently, you have never been taught about giving in a biblical way. Probably because you don't HAVE A PASTOR TO TEACH YOU BASIC BIBLICAL TRUTHS
---T.S. on 6/12/06

3. What about when he makes the couple of hundred mile trip back home- his car will be on empty again when he gets there, and he had no extra money on him to maybe get the kids a drink on the long trip home, or even thank the Lord that enough of a LOVE OFFERING was taken up for him that he had plenty of gas money for the rest of the week and even pay that doctor bill he was wondering how he was going to pay. Do you understand what I'm attempting to explain to you now?
---T.S. on 6/12/06

2. What I TRIED to say was, God's people are to bless each other, and especially those who carry the gospel. If your group is only "RE-IMBURSING" him for what he has spent, then you have not BLESSED him. What if he is struggling and spent the last $20 he had for gas to come there to your 'church' and preach- what if he had his wife and family with him? You think you're really doing him or God some kind of favor if you give him $20 to replace what he spent, and feed them lunch?
---T.S. on 6/12/06

It shows, believe me! NEITHER of you STILL understand what I'm saying. I NEVER "lowered" the holy calling of preaching the gospel to a secular trade. I'M AGREEING with you that a Pastor/lay-preacher/evangelist....should be in the ministry for the love of the calling. But I am just frustrated at people like you who think preachers don't have the same expenses and bills like the rest of everybody does. I never said they should put a price on it, nor did I say they should demand to be paid.
---T.S. on 6/12/06

It saddens me T.S. that in part 3 you think a travelling salesman working full time is in the same category as a local/lay preacher, who does what he does from choice and for the love of his Saviour, and you think should be treated the same financially. All your posts on this subject sound as if you just want an argument so I am leaving this alone because I don't think you wish to understand this. f.f. is not returning to the subject either. The reason I know that is because we attend the same church.
---emg on 6/12/06

3. It's part of it, but I don't believe a congregation has FULLY obeyed God if only the bare basic expenses that came out of his pocket are "re-imbursed" to him, and not one penny more- sounds like a business expense account. Would you take a job as a traveling salesman, if all you got paid at the end of the week after selling thousands of dollars worth of merchandise or services, was a re-imbursement check for your hotel bill, your rent-a-car expense, and meals? Do you see what I'm saying?
---T.S. on 6/12/06

2. What I SAID was, that traveling expenses are not the only thing it "costs" a minister to go and deliver what God has given him. It takes (or it SHOULD take) many hours of preperation in study and in prayer, seeking God for what HE would have him deliver to the people. "REWARD" is the wrong word. "BLESSING" is what it is called, and to just pay for his gas, and give him lunch and a place to take a nap is NOT blessing ENOUGH....
---T.S. on 6/12/06

And ff: I never gave that impression, I quoted you exactly. I'm only going by what YOU said about your own church. I never said a THING ABOUT financial REWARD. A preacher had better perform his calling out of love and commitment to God, and not for the money, so we agree on THAT one thing.
---T.S. on 6/12/06

Emg: Well, it's like going to a restaraunt, drinking water, looking at the menu, having goood conversation- but not eating. Prayer, praise, fellowship- are all VITAL for spiritual growth, but the disregard or the lack of importance put upon preaching and hearing the word of God in a message (which is suposed to be FROM GOD himself, not just the "Pastor's opinion" on a scripture text or a motivational speech on how wonderful you are) very disturbing
---T.S. on 6/12/06

Our church consists of 20 or so people. I and one other are under 80 all others are over 80, several over 90. Our organist is the oldest there and sometimes falls asleep in the sermon and has to be awakened for the last hymn. We rely on local preachers and sometimes cannot get one or one fails to arrive and we do the best we can, WITHOUT A SERMON. Only one member is male and does not preach but we can pray, praise, share testimony and sing.Anything wrong with that now and then?
---emg on 6/11/06

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Both. The pastor is the one doing the preaching, and others who have gifts from the Lord to use them accordingly.
---Helen_5378 on 6/10/06

T.S. You seem determined to give the impression that you can read my mind and know a lot about me and my church. You don't. FINALLY the lay preachers who serve our church and many others in the surrounding areas do what they do out of love for the Lord and not for any financial reward. Most Christians I know do things for others without financial reward, it is not at all unusual and it is certainly not wrong to accept such freely given help.
---f.f on 6/10/06

Also, another reason that "possessed" me to say that was, you all sound as if you have been without a Pastor (Shepherd, Leader, Spiritual authority) for quite some time. You sound as if you think that's no big deal, and you think you do perfectly fine without one
---T.S. on 6/9/06

2. And yes, I know what a 'lay preacher' is- but once again, you gave the impression that they had to come from out of town because of what you said about traveling expenses and being put up for the day by the families. Lay preacher OR evangelist, they deserve an offering on top of just having what they spent getting there re-imbursed. Have you ever been a lay preacher, an evangelist, OR a Pastor? My husband has been all 3, so I think I know what I'm talking about
---T.S. on 6/9/06

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"On the rare occasions that a preacher fails to turn up we hold a service between us but without a sermon" YOU gave the impression here that a Pastor who delivers messages from God for your benefit, was not neccesary. I misunderstood your comment then.
---T.S. on 6/9/06

Mima, thank you for asking. I attend a Presbyterian church.
---f.f. on 6/8/06

4. The only time we hold a service ourselves is if, for some unforseen reason (illness, car breakdown etc.) we are left without a preacher at very short notice, or sometimes no notice at all. That service could be prayer, scripture reading, testimonies, hymns and choruses, a short talk about what the Lord has done for one of us since we last met etc. Not dissimilar to the meetings that the early churches would have held. Does that sound like a cult?
---f.f. on 6/8/06

2. These people work full time for a living, in industry, teaching, and anything else you can imagine (but not for the church) and preach on Sundays at churches who either cannot afford a pastor or who are temporarily without a pastor, which ours has been for quite some time. The expenses ensure that they are not out-of-pocket. Whatever possessed you to say the following "you all just think church should be a 'free-for-all' with no spiritual authority or any TEACHING being done -------
---f.f. on 6/8/06

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T.S. Do you actually know what a lay preacher is? You choose to call them travelling evangelists, which they are not, and assume that they are in full-time Christian work which they are not. 'Lay' means that it is not their profession.
---f.f. on 6/8/06

2. And second- your last statement gives the impression that you all just think church should be a 'free-for-all' with no spiritual authority or any TEACHING being done- do you think you all have learned everything there is to know? Sounds more like a 60's commune, a "wow, everybody's beautiful man" cult, rather than a CHURCH
---T.S. on 6/8/06

f.f.- then your so called 'church' is out of order. In two ways: First, do you all think you're doing something honorable by making sure that JUST the traveling expenses and food and shelter FOR THE DAY is sufficient for traveling evangelists?- How do you think they make a living otherwise for all the other expenses in life that they need?
---T.S. on 6/8/06

There's no where were it says that only the pastor can minister. The church is to raise up disciples. Obviously, the pastor should be able to minister but there are many people who, if given the chance, can do just as good and some better. Then there is the evangelist, teacher, prophet, and apostle. These people should all be ministering in the local church. Problem is we hire a guy and then he takes over and sees competition instead of partnership.
---john on 6/8/06

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All that belong to Christ are called to minister, in fact to be ministers of reconciliation, and what an honor it is!!! Where I attend the pastor, elders, and whole congregation minister on a regular basis. Some is planned, some is as the Spirit leads unexpectedly which is often the most fruitful
---christina on 6/8/06

----ff, what church do you attend? What denomination? At Penpals I am mima3783
---mima on 6/8/06

5. They use the tools given to them under his leadership to GO OUT and minister to the lost during the week, and "compel them to come in" as the word instructs. This is what makes up the TRUE CHURCH. THIS is the winning combination that brings a smile to the face of God
---T.S. on 6/8/06

4. THEN, on occasion, you find a church that is in line with what God designed, very rare these days I'm sorry to say: This church has a Pastor that humbly and fervently seeks God for his messages to deliver to people who are hungry and cannot wait to get there every Sunday to find out what God has to say to them! They are a praying people, who sacrificially give of their time, money, and talents to take care of their Pastor out of respect for his spiritual authority over their lives.....
---T.S. on 6/8/06

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3. OR, then there's the Pastors who are REAL and genuine, who have a burden and a heart for the lost (a lot of them on the church role books!) But you've got a bunch of lazy apathetic moochers sitting in the pews (IF they even manage to drag themselves to church that day) who couldn't give a flip about anything that GOD is saying to them through the Pastor, much less going out and ministering to anybody else.
---T.S. on 6/7/06

2. You've got 'Pastors' who 'preach' from their own agenda, rarely (if ever) touching the subjects of "sin and repentance, Heaven and hell" anymore. A lot of them today are little more than motivational speakers, 'feeding' thier flocks the ice cream and candy of a feel good, wealth & riches 'gospel' and it's being soaked up like a sponge by congregations full of spoiled religious brats who think of themselves only!.........
---T.S. on 6/7/06

The Pastor is suposed to minister to the congregation the word of God, teaching them, instructing them, encouraging them, and preparing them for spiritual battle. They are in turn, SUPOSED to be taking the message of the gospel outside the walls of the church to minister to the lost, using the tools they've been equiped with BY GOD, through the Pastor. (doesn't always work that way though- sad to say)
---T.S. on 6/7/06

Carefully I reply. ALL members of Christ's body minister... BUT, all do so within the Biblical church order. God is NOT the author of confusion. He has set a hierchy in His church. An order of chain-of-command that will keep His word whole. Even though many are inspired and gifted doesn't mean they are in "order".
---mikefl on 6/7/06

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The pastor's duty is to equip the faithful to minister OUTSIDE the church.

In my church, we are blessed to have two good preachers (each with different styles) and a number of faithful with different and important spiritual gifts. It's a number of spiritual resources that I've not seen in one church of this size before.
---Jack on 6/7/06

Well my Pastor is the Shepherd of the flock. But we all minister to everyone in our own way. I minister through song, and sign language through songs, and by my testomony. We all should minister unto the lost, we shouldn't put it all upon the Pastor. For all Christians have a job to do from God.
---Rebecca_D on 6/7/06

Neither. we depend on visiting lay preachers who are simply paid their travelling expenses and, if they have come far, are given hospitality for the day by a church family. On the rare occasions that a preacher fails to turn up we hold a service between us but without a sermon.
---f.f. on 6/6/06

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