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Why do Catholics not believe in a real literal Hell?

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Wayne, I've never treated anyone harshly. I speak against those doctrines that go against the Word of God to the extend of condemning the Bible itself by their own traditions. I don't support any denomination because I know in my heart that Catholics, many Baptist, Pentecostals, SDA's and others have allowed false doctrines to enter their denomination. They are considered Christian but many have fallen from the Truth. So the denomination is not important the Truth of God's Word is. I defend Scripture for it gave me faith and brought me to my knee's in conviction. I am sure you're a great guy and Nicole is a great lady, my words are never for the person. Our goal is to speak for Christ at all cost and many hate us for it. Peace
---Mark_V. on 9/21/08

For God Almighty will decide on that day whos right and wrong. I find it strange how we will argue with other christains but out in the world when blasphamous movies come out or we are told not to pray in public, for the most part we are silent. Where is our zeal for the God who made us. We would rather fight other christains.---wayne

You are right Wayne.
I have mentioned this before. I feel one of our finest moment was when we united in supporting the movie 'The Passion of Christ'.

A Catholic produce it and Protestants made it big!
Hollywood and the world were shocked.

Souls are dying because we spend time arguing instead of using the time to tell others of Jesus.

I am quilty as well.
---Nicole on 9/20/08

Nicole, I myself have been treated harshly for my views, as you have been. Ive been called a jew which I dont mind for Yeshua is a jew. But we all believe what we believe. And Im seeing even in my own posts that we should be defending Yeshua and not denominational beliefs. For god Almighty will decide on that day whos right and wrong. I find it strange how we will argue with other christains but out in the world when blasphamous movies come out or we are told not to pray in public, for the most part we are silent. Where is our zeal for the God who made us. We would rather fight other christains.
---wayne on 9/19/08

Mima : You are a some kind of evangalist but what you say is often wrong. This is one more instance, when you quote correcting Mark"God's free offer of Pardon is to believe and trust in the Lord"The word Pardon suggests "what" to you?to me it stems from offence, so to be pardoned you either have to do the time or show sorrow and Contrition neither of which is contained in your statement of reply.You are suggesting to God,I believe you are great, so it is ok and enough I believe in you!!FOR WHAT?Is that the way a good parent brings up its children?Isn't GOD OUR FATHER?That is a Fact not a belief.
---MIC on 9/19/08

Wayne:-There are 2 points in our lives A-B entrance -exit.In between is the learning experience.Jesus was a teacher and hence called Rabbi Teacher.His purpose was to show us the way to His Kingdom.some choose to Follow him as he says MY church My way.some heed, other try to seek other routes instituted by the deciever with a silk smooth Tongue.what you say is leave well alone .while this may bring peace of a kind yet it also brings destruction for others God keeps track as jesus says .No one comes to me,except by the father who sends them.Nicodemus was told the same YOU must be born from above.Seek and you will find.
---MIC on 9/19/08

Here is the truth.
". Forgiveness is not given in exchange for obedience. The proper response to God's free offer of pardon is to believe & trust in the Lord Jesus Christ in whom salvation is found. The RCC teachings of Mass, Purgatory, indulgences, baptismal regeneration, undermine the one Sacrifice of Jesus that forever secured the remission of sin. The RCC does not teach the saving gospel as set forth in the Word of God. The gospel states that the atoning death of Jesus paid in full the penalty of all our sins, rendering us that upon death we will join the Lord in heaven, Furthermore Jesus offers that free gift, it cannot be earned by the performance of good and noble deeds."
---MarkV. on 9/17/08
---mima on 9/19/08

Nicole, there is nothing for me to forgive you about. You say what is in your heart and then write it. Many of the doctrines cannot all be explained in few words here. But I hope and pray that you continue to learn. I am not educated either, but have been enlighten by the Spirit and commanded to bring the Truth.
As you said, which I hope you remember when you are answering a doctrine, "God is always in control and uses His words to benefit His wishes." Very true, not man's wishes. That is what I preach.
---MarkV. on 9/19/08

Thank you for your kind words. Some people believe it is okay for them to voice their opinions, but get upset if I reponse to their comments.
I am learning and growing Spiritually here on this website.
Some of my responses are not posted, which makes others believe I couldn't or wouldn't reply to their statements.

But I decided to accept the Will of God.
God is always in control and will use anything or words to benefit His Wishes.

Please forgive me if I offended you or anyone else on this website.
My only motive is to only correct any false statement, beliefs or lies on my Faith.

---Nicole on 9/18/08

Utterly refreshing to meet one more upright fellow man, as God intended we be! (Ecclesiastes 7:29: Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright, but they have sought out many inventions.) Thank you wayne, you made my day.
---Nana on 9/18/08

Mark, Forgive my ingnorance, what is SDA mean. Im coptic, and our doctrines are not similar with rcc. But either way, you will believe what you will, I will believe what I will, and I will still call you a brother in Christ, hows that. Im sure you are a great person and I pray all of us on this forem no matter what our beliefs will be together in paradise. May God bless you my brother
---wayne on 9/18/08

Im just as guilty as anyone on this forem. Where as I believe my beliefs are right, everyone else does the same. Thank you for your kindness towards me though. But no matter what any of us believe we all need to look at each other and come together on what we do believe, instead of always fighting over our differences. We all want to save everyone and please God Almighty, I know He looks at our hearts in these matters.
---wayne on 9/18/08

Wayne, how can I be judge by the law that set me free? The law did not set me free, Christ did. He will be my judge. Your doctrines for salvation or similar to the RCC and is the reason you speak for them. I have only answerd her once I think in these blog, and let me say, I don't hate Nicole or any individual from the RCC or any other denomination. I don't hate you but do know you are a SDA. Know that you and the RCC follow the same doctrine of works of the law for salvation or you would not have put James down for me. I believe you need to read those passages and pray on them so that you can distinquish between Pauls passages and James concerning salvation.
---MarkV. on 9/18/08

Wayne, even though you and I don't agree with many believes I know you are a good guy just like everyone else is here. You are here to answer for your faith and so am I. If I knew that I was wrong on any of the matter of faith,(the essentials of the Christian faith) I will admit I am wrong to you are anyone. But you have to show me with the Word and I will do my best to answer you. I am answering questions for no denomination. I am answering them for the Truth as has been revealed to me by the Spirit. Now maybe your revelation is different then mine, there is no need for me to call you names as a person. I hope you understand that.
---MarkV. on 9/18/08

Wayne:-Commendations to you sir for your truth and honesty,and unbiased opinion.
---MIC on 9/18/08

Let Nicole alone, she believes what she believes, as do the rest of us. I dont agree with the rcc, but then again I dont agree with the protestants either, for you say scripture alone and yet dont follow it. All of us including myself do not know the mind of God. We all wish to say our beliefs are the right ones, but God will decide on the day of judgment. Nicole, we do not agree on alot of issues, but I have nothing against you, and ask for your forgivness if my disagreements with you offended you in any way.
---wayne on 9/17/08 James 2:8-26, these verses show how wrong your last post is. For saying you believe is great, but even the demons believe. So you see faith alone is not enough, unless it produces good deeds it is usless and dead. This whole passage you should be reading says something totally different then what you have said.How can you show your faith without good deeds, I will show you my faith by my good deeds. Remember whatever you say or do will be judged by the law that sets you free. Look at the commandments in this verse, another scripture to show the law was not abolished. Fact is fact.
---wayne on 9/17/08

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First of all Nicole...I never attack anyone...I just come against false doctrines. When have you EVER heard me call someone on here a name or speak evil of them? And I am not the one who twists scripture...the RCC does and you are the one that takes their word as "gospel truth" rather than taking the Bible's as the truth. And yes...God does have some "mysteries" that us humans do not know of, but that does not mean that we can make up any old thing and then call it God's mystery in order to validate it as a fact. That is the way of the RCC and it is not Biblical. Who is the RCC to dictate to God what is and isn't HIS mystery?
---Holly4jc on 9/17/08

Forgiveness cannot be received through some power alleged to exist in a sacrament. Forgiveness is not given in exchange for obedience. The proper response to God's free offer of pardon is to believe & trust in the Lord Jesus Christ in whom salvation is found. The RCC teachings of Mass, Purgatory, indulgences, baptismal regeneration, undermine the one Sacrifice of Jesus that forever secured the remission of sin. The RCC does not teach the saving gospel as set forth in the Word of God. The gospel states that the atoning death of Jesus paid in full the penalty of all our sins, rendering us that upon death we will join the Lord in heaven, Furthermore Jesus offers that free gift, it cannot be earned by the performance of good and noble deeds.
---MarkV. on 9/17/08

Look Nicole...I was NOT making a proclamation as to who is or isn't in heaven or hell, merely responding to YOUR statement that the RCC says only Judas is in hell as if THEY know for sure who is and isn't in hell.

You are the one that made that statement, not I was just responding with a comparative statement, not based on fact, but supposition when compared to your statement. stated that the "RCC states that Judas is in hell" as if it's a fact. But say that no one can know. So which is true...the RCC stating Judas IS in hell or no one knowing? I know that I certainly do not know for sure who is there or is in heaven. For I was not there at their final moments of life. Only God was.
---Holly4jc on 9/16/08

RCC only states that Judas is in Hell.
The rest we will have to wait and find out.
---Nicole on 9/7/08

So Hitler in heaven then, according to the RCC?
---Holly4jc on 9/10/08

Holly, if you think you are all knowing and know that Hitler didn't repent seconds before his death, go ahead and proclaim he is in Hell.

The RCC knows many are in Hell, we don't know the names of the thoses in Hell.

Do you?

Please tell us the names, we would like to know.

We can think Hitler isn't in Heaven, but we leave damnation to the Persons of the Trinity.
---Nicole on 9/16/08

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You are telling others that mere humans can do things greater than God.

God is who IS.
Nothing is impossible with God.

You need to mediate on that statement for awhile before you try to attack someone.

Wisdom always prevail over evil.

And I am not calling myself 'wisdom' and you 'evil'.
I know how you think and love to twist words.

I am saying that there is always an answer for the mysteries of life.
God holds the answer and it is Wisdom that you and I do not have.

Only Evil tries to question God's powers.
Genesis 3:1 "Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?"
---Nicole on 9/16/08

When Jesus stated that baptism is needed for Salvation, He isn't saying Once baptized, then Heaven is a sure thing.

You can lose your Salvation for unrepented mortal sins.
Not all baptized persons are going to Heaven if they choose not to repent on mortal sins committed after baptism.

The same for the Jewish people. Not all Jewish people are Saved.
Some sent themselves to Hell such as Judas.

Moses wasn't Baptized by the Trinity while he was walking on earth.

But, we know he is in Heaven.
He spoke to Jesus in person in front of Peter, James and John
Transfiguration Matthew 17:1-13

You won't take John 6 literally.
But you take my word - 'every' literally?
---Nicole on 9/14/08

how do you explain this in Nicole's world?---Holly4jc

How did Moses and Elijah appear in person to Jesus in front of Peter,James and John?
How did Sarah give birth at the age of 90?
How did Moses divide the Red Sea?
How did Peter heal the crippled beggar? Acts 3:1-10

Do you think these people did these miracles on their strength?
Isn't God powerful everywhere!

God tells them the prayers!

1 Samuel 28:8-19 What?,the Witch of Endor can contact Samuel for Saul, but God can't?

God can do anything. Including delivering 1 million prayer requests to 1 million Saints and back to Him to answer the prayers in one second!
I don't know about your god, but My God is powerful.
---Nicole on 9/14/08

Holly ... I won't give the reason here, but I will tell yuo privately why I changed mine once ... if you will write to me Alan8566
---alan_of_UK on 9/12/08

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Oh yes...and one more thing Nicole..if the RCC says that all Jewish people are saved, then why does the RCC state that Judas is in hell? He was Jewish...all the disciples were.
---Holly4jc on 9/12/08

Also, the RCC believes that Jewish people, His first born are Saved as well.
Of course we don't know how.
We trust in God's Mercy.

Do you?
---Nicole on 9/11/08

Nicole....if all Jewish people are saved, then why did Jesus come and give His life in the first place? Afterall, He was sent to the Jews first, they needed a Savior. Jewish people (of which I am one) have to receive and confess Jesus Christ as their Savior, just like everyone else. My family is of Jewish background (my mom and two sisters) and I know they are not saved. Not that the day won't come that their eyes are open to Jesus, I pray for that, but they still need to make the decision for Christ themselves, not one can do it for them.
---Holly4jc on 9/12/08

Emcee/Mic, You don't get it, and the reason you do not understand Scripture but really don't believe in it anyone as authoritive some explaining Scripture passages is hard but what you said was another false believe, If the man is good, led a good life he is alive in Jesus for all time" here is an example why Catholics don't have to be regenerated, all they have to do is be good and be alive to Christ. They don't have to make a committment, they don't have to have faith in Christ alone. Sorry Emcee, "A person has to be born of the Spirit to be alive in Christ." Just been good does not get you in. I wanted to put Scripture down but you don't believe it is binding.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/08

Thanks for that confirmation Alan of UK...I'm just curious as to why there was a change in name.
---Holly4jc on 9/11/08

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Mark:-You refuse to believe because your heart is hardened I quoted you a common sense thought What you percieve to be dead By Human standards is not the same to God almighty as he has the full record of the dead (TO YOU) man at his disposal. If the man is Good led a good life He is "Alive in Jesus"for all time. If Not he is DEAD to Jesus, no use because he denied God in his lifetime.Is that so difficult to understand.?Dont waste time solving useless probabilities look for the truth in the equation of Life.
---MIC on 9/11/08

Holly, I did notice that. They have the same answers with the same quotes. I am glad others see the same. It does not bother me like it does others, But I recognize the same writings as soon as he mention Satan. Satan has been his allie in time of need.
When Scripture is not authentic, or authoritive, and Jesus Christ sacrifice is insufficient for salvation, what else is left, but to use Satan against the others and throw in love in the message. Some love.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/08

Thank you Alan for your answer. That was kind of you to mention that he doesn't want to decieve. I am not one to get mad if someone uses another name, but sometimes it makes it hard who you are speaking to. I don't see a problem with it.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/08

Holly & Mark & others

You are right about MIC

I know why

However much I may disagree with MIC's RCC beliefs, I can assure you that you can forget any suspicion of intent to deceive.
---alan_of_UK on 9/11/08

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Mark:-Falseness brings temporary Relief Truth brings everlasting Relief we call it Salvation.As you have lived so shall you reap.Truth never changes.You may keep on wondering,force in truth is the greatest, which gains you Heaven with God who lives in His Kingdom.I share this with you out of the love He Has asked us to share with our fellow man.You may do likewise or chose your own Path.You and I are part, of that future revalation.
---MIC on 9/11/08

You and Emcee, maybe you are him. I have wondered that many times.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/08

Mark...very astute you've observed...they are one in the's very obvious. I knew that from the very first post.
---Holly4jc on 9/11/08

Nicole...I am still wanting to know how in the world Mary or any other "dead saint" can hear (let's just pretend for a moment that they do "hear and carry" our prayers to Jesus) say conservatively speaking...10,000 prayer requests being sent up to them, all at the same time? Nicole...when someone asks you to pray for it ONE person requesting/speaking to you at a time or do you have 10,000 people shouting out their requests to you all at once? And if many of those 10,000 prayer requests do you think you could actually hear and answer? Simple, or maybe two if you are really good...ONLY GOD IS OMNISCIENT, HEARING ALL PRAYERS AT ONCE AND ANSWERING. So, how do you explain this in Nicole's world?
---Holly4jc on 9/11/08

Holly4jc, RCC never claims other denominations are in hell because they are not Catholics.
That's Protestants who claim others are in Hell.
Don't flip the script!

If you follow Jesus' Command and are Baptized by the Trinity you are Saved if you die without mortal sins on your soul.

But all souls are Saved through the GRACES of the RCC given to Her by Jesus Christ. Matt16:19

RCC's Catechism #161
So if you are Obedient to Jesus' Command you are Saved. Believe and be Baptized. Mark16:16
He died for everyone, not just for His children who follow to His Church.

Also, the RCC believes that Jewish people, His first born are Saved as well.
Of course we don't know how.
We trust in God's Mercy.

Do you?
---Nicole on 9/11/08

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Mic, since you made that statement, "People who are dead to you, are in God's estimation alive to Him" You want me to believe this because you said it, so please show me where in Scripture it indicates they are? When John was shown heaven what he saw was a future event Mic. It has not happened yet. Something that has not happen yet is not true yet. That it will happen is true, that it has happened already and is happening now is not true. Stop picking future events to base your answers on. Have I called you an apostate? Have I mention you were not saved as an individual? You have even entered Satan as your accuser to make a point. Something only a few do. You and Emcee, maybe you are him. I have wondered that many times.
---Mark_V. on 9/11/08

Donna, people are not responsible for the brainwashing they have been subjected to all their lives. If your father believed that Jesus died to pay for his sins, he will be in Heaven. Don't worry. If all of his life was a fake, a lie, and he never believed in Jesus at all, but went to mass knowing it was a pagan mass to the Sun God, then he won't. I think it is pretty likely that he thought the mass was all about Jesus.
---frances008 on 9/10/08

RCC only states that Judas is in Hell.
The rest we will have to wait and find out.
---Nicole on 9/7/08

So Hitler in heaven then, according to the RCC?
---Holly4jc on 9/10/08

And by the numbers of people that Luther has confused.
My bet is that Luther is burning in Hell right now.
Now, this is my opinion.
It isn't the opinion of the official RCC.
RCC only states that Judas is in Hell.
The rest we will have to wait and find out.
---Nicole on 9/7/08

So it your "professional" opinion that all those who are Protestants and have passed on or never convert to the RCC prior to death are also either currently "burning in hell" or will be "burning in hell" at a later date?
---Holly4jc on 9/10/08

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Samuel, we as in Catholics and Protestants view Revelations completely different.
Many of the horrors stated has occurred. John is on an island having visions.
The things he saw didn't happen yet at his time. But they occured after his visions.
The destruction of the 2nd Temple.
Others are speaking of the Holy Mass.
The rest is speaking about the future after our (you and I) time. Our future.

If you truly want to understand how Catholics view Revelation, Dr Scott Hahn wrote a book about Revelation. He was a Protestant before coming home.

I am not saying not there isn't any symbolic reference. But, chapter 6 isn't symbolic.
You call it symbolic to justify denying people being awake now after their earth life.
---Nicole on 9/10/08

With all due respect Donna, you don't have a clue when it comes to the Catholic Faith.
Just because you were Catholic and your friends and family are still Catholic does not make you an expert on the RCC's Beliefs.

Many Americans think we have 52 states. They are wrong, but still American. This applies to your friends and family.

I gave evidence of the RCC beliefs in Hell. We even have different category for sins that sends them to Hell. It is called Mortal sins. Not Venial, but Mortal. Deadly. A sin the kills the Soul. Meaning you are separated from God forever. HELL!

Please buy a RCC's Catechism if you want to speak on Her behalf.
RCC's Catechism: Article 12,I believe in Life everlasting.I,II,III,IV: HELL#1033-1037.
---Nicole on 9/10/08

MarkV, how many times do we have to tell you our beliefs?

1st, we never deny praying to Mary and the Saints.
We state Praying isn't WORSHIP!

2nd, they don't answer the prayers. They carry our prayers to Jesus who answers our prayer.

When someone asks you to pray for them.
Are you answering their prayer or you asking Jesus to answer their prayer?

The same with Mary and the Saints, except for we know they are Saved as evident of them being in Heaven with Jesus.
We hope you are Saved.

It is Revelation 6:8-11, not chapter 5 that proves People are alive and speaking to God in Heaven as people are alive on earth at the SAME TIME!

You are mad because you can't spin these verses.
---Nicole on 9/10/08

Mark:To debate one must use truth not presupposed assumptions, what you perceive to be the truth.People who are dead to 'you' are in Gods estimation "Alive' in Him",if you cannot see this, then there is no debate.When John was shown Heaven were there saints there awaiting His Inspection?Yet you use this as an arguement.Why and who is making false accusations.-Another Apostate?. one who deserted His God.?
---MIC on 9/10/08

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Donna your story is very true of all Catholics. Something so simple, that they know is in Scripture not in the RCC, but they refuse with all they can to accept or acknowledge that God demands their committment to Christ by faith alone.
Here is what I believe the reason why they think they (the Catholics) believe they are not going to hell:
They believe if they can baptize their babies they receive the grace for salvation. And if when they grow up and follow the teachings of the RCC rituals by their own works they can continue to be save until they die. But if they have any impurities they can be clean in Purgatory by the prayers of someone else and go into God's Kingdom.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/08

Nicole: None of the seals have been broken yet. This is a vision that God gave John. These things hadn't happen yet. Although I do believe what it says in the bible is to be true. These are the people that are still alive on earth, who converted over to Christ. These are Christian people who were slain (killed) because they believe in God and because they stood for God's holy word. And they didn't serve the anti-christ.
---Rebecca_D on 9/10/08

the 5th seal has'nt been broken & opened yet...
The 4th seal is about to be broken!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/10/08

Nicole I cannot get it to fit. But you are correct it does not use the word sleeping. But resting. I use a number of different versions. King James, New King James and NASB most often.

(Are you saying they are sleep talking?

5th seal is REAL. Nicole)

So you teach the 7 seals are literal events that happen. Why are these martyrs being held under a altar and moved from their rest to be given a robe? Why did this not happen before the seals were open? They are crying for vengence not answering prayers.

I do not believe the seals are literal but they are symbolic as the blood of Abel crying from the ground. No real horses galloping around.
---Samuel on 9/10/08

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The RCC claims there is people in heaven answering prayers to counter any opposition against their doctrines that Mary and the saints answer prayers for the Catholics. First they say they don't pray to the saints and Mary, they completely deny it, then they turn around and tell everyone that Rev. 5:8 gives clear proof that the dead in heaven are answering prayers of Catholics. More twisting of words to try to cover up their false doctrines.
You don't throw out Revelations, you read Revelations, and by reading it, you will know that the events in the first 3 chapters have accured already. The events after are events that have not happened yet, but John, in the Spirit saw them ahead of time. Read Rev. 4:1.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/08

Being raised a Catholic, but got Born Again in 1983, I can answer this question. Plus, two friends I have are Catholic, and my entire family is still Catholic.

Catholics believe in Heaven and Purgatory. They do not believe hell is real. AND they believe they're all going to heaven no matter what.

My father recently passed away and he believed to the very end he was going to heaven. I witnessed to him in 2006 and said, "Unless you believe Jesus was lying, Jesus said, unless ye repent, ye shall perish." My father never repented, never showed remorse for the abuse he put us through and for committing adultery on my mother. Yet folks my heart wants to believe he at least made it to Paradise (not purgatory).
---donna8365 on 9/10/08

Samuel, please copy every word of Rev 6:9-11.
Because, I want to make sure we are reading the same passages. No one is sleeping in my Bible.

When he broke open the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God. They cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, holy and true master, before you sit in judgement and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth? Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been.

Are you saying they are sleep talking?

5th seal is REAL.
---Nicole on 9/9/08

(Cornerstone/Rock)holds EVERTHING, when shaken...STANDS.
Ps 118:22 Alpha and Omega/First or last STONE placed.Rejected(capstone)MT 21:42,1Pet2:7
Stones at southwest CORNER of Jerusalem's Temple.

The Apocrypha not included in final,canonical versions of the Hebrew Bible is why they were called"Apocrypha"The Hidden Bks.
1611 King James contained them and are a Good study.

Know what is written,know God's Word.
The Spirit testifies

2Mac 12:38-45
Doctrine:Sin offering and prayer make atonement for sins of the dead.

1Peter 18-25
addressed the false doctrine. were not redeemed with corruptible things,silver and gold...
---char on 9/9/08

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Actually Nicole I am going to read what it actually says in Revelation. It says Martyrs are asleep under an altar woken up then put back to sleep. Revelation 6:9-11

Now Nicole do you believe this fifth seal is a real event or symbolic?

Also the RCC teaches that we have an immortal soul. But the Bible says souls die. The Bible also says we are a soul.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

So which is true the Bible or an immortal soul that GOD is to weak to kill?
---Samuel on 9/9/08

Read Luke chapter 16. It reads about the shrewd manager, the rich man and lazarus. both the rich man and lazarus both die and go to Hades. Lazarus was carried by angels to Abraham's bosom (comforted) in Hades, and the rich man was buried and was in (torments)in Hades. Hades is a place where between each side there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us. Abraham refers to Moses being the prophet at the time. So this is prior to Christ. Hades is the holding place of the righteous and evil, prior to Jesus dying on the Cross. Hades was closed up when Jesus assended to the Father. when we die Christian or not you go straight to the father immediately.
---steve on 9/9/08

Nicole: My bible says that no man has ascended into heaven except except for the son of man (Jesus) which came down from heaven John 3:1. and there is no one in heaven but the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Job asked God when people die, where are they. Read the story in Job 14:10-14. Job said he will wait in the grave until his appointed time till his change comes. Meaning he will wait in the grave until Christ comes back and raise him up and then he will put on a new robe. There was no such thing as the book(s) of Maccabees in the bible. That like Purgatory is man made. The people that have died are not alive, their soul is alive...somewhere.
---Rebecca_D on 9/8/08

RebeccaD, read Revelation 6
They are humans with robes in HEAVEN looking down at people on earth.
They are speaking to God.
Dead people can't talk.
Dead people can't see or think.
Dead people can't get upset.

So, if you go even by your Bible you know there are people in Heaven right now.

Or are you going to throw out Revelation like Luther threw out 1 and 2 Maccabees to get rid of the fact of people are alive after death on earth?

And by the numbers of people that Luther has confused.
My bet is that Luther is burning in Hell right now.
Now, this is my opinion.
It isn't the opinion of the official RCC.
RCC only states that Judas is in Hell.
The rest we will have to wait and find out.
---Nicole on 9/7/08

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Judges, before the time!

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Key: and they were judged! (As in not being judged already)

Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not, she is not dead, but sleepeth.
Key: but sleepeth! (As not in Hell)

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Key: of these stones! (As in going to Heaven)

A parable
Hidden treasure!
God blessed you!
---Frank on 9/6/08

There is no such place as Purgatory. The RCC made this up because they couldn't stand their loved ones going to hell, and there isn't a thing they can do about it. No matter how many mass cards a person gets or no matter how much or how long a person prays they can't get anyone out of hell. A person gets cleansed by the word of Jesus Christ, his blood cleanses us. It says in God's Holy word that no one can cleanse themselves. Job 9:30-31, Proverbs 20:9, Jeremiah 2:22. It is pointless to pray for the dead. If you die lost, you'll be raised lost, if you die in Christ you'll be raised in a righteous body. No one is in hell or heaven. They are awaiting to be raised, some to everlasting life and some to eternal damnation.
---Rebecca_D on 9/6/08

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were JUDGED out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING to their WORKS.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were IN them: and they were JUDGED every man ACCORDING to their WORKS.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And WHOSOEVER was not found written IN the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

They still look to see if their names(in Hell) are in the book of life, WHY?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/6/08

Is losing a soul called going to hell.Instead of the everlasting reward it's the entreal torment.Can you help?I am sorry about making of GOD and Jesus.
---Hiroo on 9/5/08

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Maccabees as I have pointed out does not describe or speak of a place where the dead wait called purgatory.---Samuel

Did you read 2 Maccabees 12: from V 38?
If you did how are you denying what is written?
These men died in sin. Judas and the soldiers pray and pay money to the Temple for their souls to be released.

Where do you think they are being released from? It can't be hell, because once in hell, that is it. No coming out.

According to you all, why pray after death if their state of life is set?
If not Purgatory, then what?
Release from Heaven? Who wants to be released from Heaven?

It is so clear of Purgatory that Luther took these two books out of the OT.
He couldn't spin it.
---Nicole on 9/5/08

Doctrine of Purgatory undermines the sufficiency of Christ's atonement on the Cross. Scripture declares that "through one sacrifice ..has made perfect forever those who are being made holy" We can rest assure that Christ received in His own body all the punishment we deserved, absolutely satisfying the justice of God on our behalf (Romans 3:25,26, 2 Cor. 5:19,21, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 2:2). When Jesus cried out from the cross, "It is finished", He was in effect saying, "The debt has been paid in full" Bible makes clear all sin is transgression against God. The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges that purgatory is not explicitly stated in the Bible. Thus they are force to appeal to Tradition.
---Mark_V. on 9/5/08

Maccabees as I have pointed out does not describe or speak of a place where the dead wait called purgatory. It says pray and sacrifice for the dead. That is not the same thing.
---Samuel on 9/5/08

Mic, the case for purgatory is very rediculous. Why pray for someone dead and expect something to happen to that dead person while he is dead. His corpse is roddening. He had an opportunity to make himself right with God while alive. He had many opportunities and chose to continue to practice sin. You cannot expect your prayers to clean a dead body. He cannot think or feel remorseful. His spirit is waiting for the judgment. "Mic, there is no protestants waiting for redemption, Redemption has come already through the sacrifice of Christ to those who were saved by faith in Christ and His resurrection. It is done already. There is not going to be another redemption later on." One sacrifice for all time.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/08

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Mima:- you hedge.Is that why Luther removed the 1 & 2 Machabees books from the KJV for fear His (GOD) words would trip him up.Proving His Thithing Theory void and Not a money making concern But Gods word "Its a holy and wholesome Thought to pray for the dead that they may be looosed from their sins".Are you still so blind of the injustice done to ALL protestants who had sand thrown in their eyes By Him even today Good protestant men and women await redemptiion b/c they languish in Purgatory and NO ONE TO PRAY FOR THEM.Except devout Catholics who pray fervently ,out of the goodness of their Hearts, for their release.God is Merciful.
---MIC on 9/2/08

To believe in purgatory is to deny the finished work of Christ on the cross! Purgatory was and is a moneymaking scheme of the RCC just as is the trafficking in indulgence.
---mima on 9/2/08

.samuel, because a person calls themself a Christian does not make themself a Christian, neither are idolaters the Christians, nor are goats the sheep, nor are tares the wheat. Christians are proven to be Christian by their fruit. "Here, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits you all will know them. Revelation 3:9+ Matthew 7:18,20.
---Eloy on 9/2/08

First when you say somebody does not believe the truth you have to be a little more specific. The RCC teaches many true doctrines. They also teach they are Christians so they are Christians and believe many truths.

The RCC teaches both Hell and purgatory. Hell for the unsaved and purgatory for the saved who need to be cleansed.

I believe in someday there will be a literal burning hell. That gehenna will burn up the wicked and they shall become ashes under our feet. Malachi 4:1-3 Mal 4:3 "You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing," says the LORD of hosts.

But I am not RCC.
---Samuel on 9/2/08

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.nicole, Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood. I rebuike evil spirits, and I do not listen to any antiChrist words.
---Eloy on 9/2/08

catholics, and other nonChristians, do not believe the truth.
---Eloy on 9/1/08

And you know this because the spirit told you this? It was not the Holy Spirit, but the evil spirit speaking to you.

Your sentence is put together in a lie as well. You are so tricky.
As you said before you are indeed dangerous!

Catholics are Christians. So, you can not use the word 'other' in front of nonChristians.

You need to state the other nonChristian before saying 'other'.
---Nicole on 9/2/08

Rhonda, all CHRISTIANS will be raised from the dead. Yes. Maybe others who helped Christians, or who were sanctified by suffering, or by being in a Christian household (in cases of mixed marriages) or because they obeyed a Christian, but outside of Christ there is no resurrection from the dead to be relied on. However, God will raise whomsoever he wants to raise. The others will go to eternal destruction by their own unbelief/rebellion/disobedience (though in the latter not the Christians).
---frances008 on 9/1/08

catholics, and other nonChristians, do not believe the truth.
---Eloy on 9/1/08

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Rhonda, I believe Hell is real, from accounts of people (several) who died for several minutes - up to 45 minutes and two others who had spiritual journeys where Jesus took them out of their sleeping bodies. Those who 'died' had either actual proof (photos of injuries on body after their 'fatal' accidents)or of a completely changed lifestyle. The consensus is that the pain of Hell is real, the demons (spirits of evil beings) are real and inflict real misery, and whilst all say they saw people there (in Hell) some said that it was under the earth. Think about it. Everything they said was Biblically accurate. Some mentioned seeing the Lake of Fire. Tunnels (like wormholes or black holes of space) were mentioned.
---frances008 on 8/31/08

Everyone should believe in a literal hell it is only the grave ...all who have ever lived and died are in hell now waiting the resurrection 1 Corin 15
---Rhonda on 8/31/08

Why do Catholics not believe in a real literal Hell?---Rev_Herb on 6/11/06\

Rev Herb, Catholics do believe in a real literal Hell. You need to stop listening to nonCatholics or Catholic who do not know the Faith.

Just read the RCC's Catechism and you will know what the Church believes in. You will find in the Catechism book
about Hell.

Under Chapter 3
I believe in the Holy Spirit.
Article 12, I believe in Life everlasting.
I, II, III, IV: HELL # 1033-1037.
---Nicole on 8/30/08

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