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Dinosaurs On Noah's Ark

Is Noah's Ark for real? Were there dinosaurs on the ark or were they disallowed?

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I don't know about dinosaurs being on the ark, but I know there was an ark because I believe God's word.
Maybe God didn't put dinoaurs on the ark and they all died in the flood.
I found the most interesting pictures of flood proof under the name Dr. Mace Baker, check them out. Then read Romans 1:20 God is AWESOME!! He is glorious, He is my All In All. Thank You Jesus :)
---Kathy on 12/18/07

there has been a petrified hat found in a cave in australia. didnt take millions of years to do that. mr. hamm said 'some say grand canyon created with a little of water over a long time, but i say i was created with a lot of water over a short amount of time' changes your thinking doesnt it
---r.w. on 8/22/06

Seems 3 b a reference 2 dinosaurs inthe book of Job..Jobs narrative behemoth is described asa grass-eater that is very strong, w/ great muscles (15-16). He moves his tail like a cedar tree (17). It is hard to see how his tail can be compared to a cedar, for the tail of the hippopotamus issmall &short.Behemoths skeleton is like a massive framework of brass & iron .Heis chief of the works of God; so hugethatonlyhisMaker dare approach him with the sword(19)
---Tamara_Jackson on 7/14/06

If you do a google search 'dinosaur cave paintings' you'll find a website which shows a photograph of a painting of a man and a dinosaur which certainly looks like they co-existed. The photo was taken in White Rock Canyon,Utah.
---emg on 7/13/06

Could you please cite some examples (even one) of a cave painting of a dinosaur? Not a buffalo or a horse but a reptilian dinosaur.
---Bruce5656 on 7/4/06

Rev Cris, Seeing what you have just written has informed me what good your faith has done for you.
---MikeM on 7/4/06

Fossils have been reproduced in labs and proven that it doesn't take millons of years to make. And you forgot what about the other parts of the world were there were "dragons" in thier culture , Cultures older than 2000 years .Sorry there is just as much proof that they walked with man .Yes salvation does render us a new creation,have more Godly character , and makes you a better person IF your heart is truely with God. Another was blind as you ,Ask Jesus to enlighten you.
---rev._chris on 6/26/06

Rev Cris; Once again, Dragons in scripture are a metaphor for Satan. Aztecs culture lasted only 200 years, from about 1300 to 1520. You said fossils were 'created in a lab.' Please enlighten with your knowledge of this. You know I look at the results of ones faith, does it make on a better person? does it really render them a 'new creation'? Does it make them more Godly in character? Or does it render tham stupid? This is a question I often ask.
---MikeM on 6/22/06

Hey Mike then can you please tell me , If man didn't walk with the dino's then why are there cave paintings , asian paintings , midevel painting, Aztec carvings, everywere all over the world of "dragons". If it was from one place then active imagination but all over the world then that means people walked with them. What is a dino well to them it was a dragon. Again who do you put your faith in , God or man. Either you belive the Word from God or you don't.
---rev._chris on 6/21/06

When is comes to science vs. faith one should seperate faith from fact statements. One can say 'I beleive in my heart the pacific ocean does not exist, period.' That has no relevence to the oceans existence, period. One can say 'dinosaurs walked with man.' Such a statement, like the ocean reference is a divorce from reality. Can someone honestly accept what one calls faith when they make such a statement? I note on science related subjects bailing happen most often.
---MikeM on 6/19/06

[2/MikeM] In any event, it may be helpful if you did a study on the Three Earth Ages which should come naturally when studying Father's Word as it is written, by Chapter and Verse. II Peter Chapter 3 is a magnificent teaching of the Three Earth and Heaven Ages. In terms of your reference to "monsters" in the Bible, I have no knowledge of that. The "dragon" of Fathers Word is satan; just one of his many names.
---Nyte on 6/17/06

[1 of 2/MikeM] I know of no monsters mentioned in Job, since the word is "behemoth", in my Fathers Word. However, I do know that if you do not understand the Three Earth Ages there is much of His Word one will not understand. That "jargon", as you call it, I am sure is not pleasing to Father God since it is His Word, but Father said most of His children are sottish [Jeremiah 4:22].
---Nyte on 6/17/06

For your information if you do a Google search on "Answers in Creation" (make sure you use the quotes, you will be directed to a very interesting resource dealing with the isssue (and inherent problems) of dinosaurs in the Ark and related questions. I just found it myself.
---Jack on 6/16/06

Mod, I liked all of it when I watched it. I really like his teachings against the big bang. Where I differ with him is the creation of the earth, but we are still similar. We both agree that God did his work in 6 literal days. It is what happened prior to the 6 days where we differ. My problem with him is, He refers to gap theorists as unbelievers and he claims the gap theory requires belief in evolution, which it does not. Evolution has no part in the gap theory.
---tofurabby on 6/16/06

MikeM, I used the term "evil scientists" to describe the young earth creationists view of the geologists and others who have found evidence that the earth is extremely old. It is not my view. I think the science they are finding is real and a gift from God. He left a record of the previous world for us to find. (my view, I know many dont agree)

Mod, it was the 17 hour series, I saw most of it. Not all. I used to be one of Dr. Dino's biggest fans.

Moderator - You are ahead of me only 6 hours so far. What did you not like?
---tofurabby on 6/16/06

Nyte; That jargon I have never heard before. It seems rather idyosyncratic. May I ask your religion? The 'monsters' in scripture are metaphor, dragons, leviathan etc.
---MikeM on 6/15/06

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2.Hovinds main fallacy was tautological, just reciting rhetoric again and again,-intellectual suicide. Hovind continiously engaged in shallow 'straw man' approach to all other views. He claims he is for science, yet watching him was like watching Mr. Rogers. What sustains him is personal magnatism and charm, His lecture had nothing to do with science.
---MikeM on 6/15/06

1.I watched Hovind video. On the video Hovind tried to knock down the evolution, yet he didn't provide any evidence to back up his view. He was mainly quoting from the bible and offering up opinions as to how he thinks evolution cannot work, yet no evidence as to how creationism works. His points can be easily refuted, everyone of them. (thats what I am doing)
---MikeM on 6/15/06

Tofu; who are the 'evil scientist'? There is enough infromation even from even legit Christian sources to refure this 'Dr. Dino.' Hovind. I note on the other thread material is being written. I am shocked anyone takes him serious, but he does have some comidic value. On his website stated "all fossilization took place during the flood thats why fossils have a fishy smell" "Comets and metorites caused most physical earth changes." He is a riot!
---MikeM on 6/15/06

Dinosaurs existed in the First Earth Age {Job 40:15-24}, another dimension wherein mankind was within spiritual form and the behemoth a flesh form. As you will read in the aforementioned Scripture, they had a tail the size of a cedar tree, which is an extremely large tail. God was speaking of dinosaurs. There was the First Earth Age before this one we now live in, which is the Age of the Flesh or Second Earth Age, being approximately 6,000 years old. However, the earth itself is billions of years old.
---Nyte on 6/15/06

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Mod, I have seen his videos, is there more on his website then what he presented there? Dont get me wrong, I like Dr. Dino and appreciate his teachings and do agree with some of it, but I have to believe that God is not the author of confusion. He recorded a historical record of what happened on earth prior to the 6 day regeneration for us to find. He didnt put it there to trick the evil scientists.

Moderator - I have not viewed his website. I am currently viewing his 17 hour DVD collection, but am not done. Did you watch the whole 17 hours or a shorter DVD?
---tofurabby on 6/15/06

Mod, I understand. I thought the Gap Theory was nonsense too and called those who believed it, crazy... until I finally studied it. I believe in a variation of the current Gap Theory, they have some wrong too. Dinosaurs, gravity, E=MC2, etc. are not in the Bible but we believe in them. Still, I have found more Biblical evidence that supports the Gap theory than I have the young earth creation model.

Moderator - Please go to the Ken Hovind blog for more info.
---tofurabby on 6/15/06

-2 the Targum of Onkelos (not speaking on it's validity, but time period) is thought to be 2nd century BC. It contains puctuation marks that notify the reader he should pause before proceeding. Or a break in the text. This mark appears at the end of Genesis 1:1 and w'aretsah hawath tsadh'ya in Gen. 1:2 "to lay waste" which indicates something had occurred between verse 1 and verse 2 to reduce the earth to this desolated condition. There are many more examples of early belief in this gap.

Moderator - I would have to respectively disagree that those two examples are the Gap Theory doctrine that is taught today. Books could be written on the current theory or maybe have already been written. Nevertheless, it's a theory, and not in the Bible.
---tofurabby on 6/15/06

Sorry, Mod, Chalmers version of the Gap Theory comes from the 1800's but the thought went back much further than that. Here are a couple examples (I have many more)
Origen who lived from about 186-254AD wrote in his De Principiis, at Gen. 1:1: "It is certain that the present firmament is not spoken of in this verse, nor the present dry land, but rather that heaven and earth from which this present heaven and earth that we now see afterwards borrowed their names."
---tofurabby on 6/15/06

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M.P-The scripture says 'The fool in his heart says there is not God.' this I believe. I believe an ontological argument presents a implication of a Creator, like a handprint, but thats a belief. One other sites I stridently argue against dogmatic atheist.

Something like AIG represents a narrow sliver of the Christian community, maybe 5% Degrees like mine are a dime a dozen, considered an 'entry point' into real science, or to gaining a good job. Thats humbling.
---MikeM on 6/15/06

MikeM The Answers in Genesis website might be too elementary for you but you'll find information there about dinosaurs, cave paintings etc. Regarding the '2 accounts of creation' the first one tells us exactly what God did on days 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. The second account is like a recap. It is not telling exactly when and how but is saying this is what God did - but I don't expect you to accept that explanation.
---M.P. on 6/15/06

Rev-"there are only a handful of dino bones in exsistance" I see. There is a wherehous in th O.C. in Ca that has so many pliesticine fossils they do not know what to do with them. No full skeletons? News to me, what are you refering to? On another thread the 'Bible mentioning them' was covered. I do not what your knowledge of stratification, argon retro-dating, archeo-morphology, or uniformitarianism is, to start with. The last strata any dinosaur is found is in late Cretacious Period.
---MikeM on 6/14/06

Tof; Sorry, there are two sperate creation stories in Genesis.
---MikeM on 6/14/06

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Mike are you saying I said that dinos were on the ark ? I never said that nore implied it . Sorry if you took it the wrong way ,They were here with man yes but befor the ark was built .I was merly pointng out that who do you believe mans interpritaion of how things happened or God's . For me it's God's word I fallow , no other.
---rev._chris on 6/14/06

Donna 2277 -- I like your insight. Never thought of that before. If they did die off before the ark that would explain it all.
---Helen_5378 on 6/14/06

They were here during the Genesis gap and became extinct prior to Genesis 1:2.

Moderator - The Genesis Gap is a made up theory from 1814.
---tofurabby on 6/14/06

M.P. I do mock sometimes, but I do not mock the Bible or the Lord
Rev- I look at what a faith produces. Example, A.A. I find protracted and extreme but the bottom line is I know people who it did wonders for-the results speak loudest. Example, Marxism sounds good on paper, in reality its the greatest evil has man produced-the results speak loudest. Example, Your faith has led you to say'dinosaurs were on the ark.' That tells me all I need to know about what you call faith-the results speak loudest.
---MikeM on 6/14/06

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Dinos were made at the same time as the other animals at the creation if you don't believe that then you are calling The Bible a lier and incorrect, sorry I'm not going there. The Bible is God's written word to call it a lier you are also calling God a lier are a bigger person than me to do that for God is impossable of lieing because He would be going against Himself and His own word.
---rev._chris on 6/14/06

Who said they were around when the Ark was built . Man walked with them they were real fossels have been made in labs in just a couple of years not millons. Who are you going to belive man's interpritation oh this world or God's . The bible talks of them of course they did say ...that T-Rex or dinosaurs ... it is described as the beheamath.
---rev._chris on 6/14/06

Mike M. I have no more knowledge of where the dinosaurs went when they left the ark than I have of where all the others animals went. I too have not seen a dinosaur, nor have I seen any other animal that is now extinct. In fact there are many, now living, animals that I have never seen and probably never will. I don't have to be all knowing, in fact no-one is. God just asks me to have faith that His word is true. One 'small' thing stated in the bible is that 'God will not be mocked.'
---M.P. on 6/14/06

I don't think Noah was as concerned about the size of the large dinos as much as he was those tiny termites that kept getting out of there pen somehow?????....
---Fred_S. on 6/14/06

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2. Kathy; Im under the impression that all accredited universities have to make Ph.Ds available to the general public, to some degree. P.I.U. does not appear to have a staff, because no one was there to answer the phone when I call to check out the 'university' he earned hs degree from. I found out its not listed in Ca. as a University. I would say be discerning.
---MikeM on 6/14/06

1. Kathy-That 'Dr.' Mace. Baker rings a bell Our college in 2001 tried to book an lecture with him, but he only speaks to those of his religious persuasion. This 'Dr'Baker has NO credentials. At Biola U. he got his B.A., a small Bible college which is ONLY accredited in Music, Nursing, Psychology, and Theology. His 'Ph.D' is from Pacific International University, which is an online fundamentalist 'school,' it offers Doctorates in Ministry and Theology, Who knows where he got his M.A. from.
---MikeM on 6/14/06

Helen, I agree! Those fossils were created by satan worshippers in underground labs funded by the tri-lateralist atheist bankers, then the fossils were spread around the earth, buried so unsuspecting college students would find them to help turn them into evil atheist, or worse, agnostics!

M.P.-What must have been difficult was cleaning the bottom of the Ark. Where did the Dino's go after debarking from the Ark? I havent seen any, but some of those liberal democrats might be....
---MikeM on 6/14/06

I will take all I see here on this thread to my local University, directly to the physical sciences department where they can see and experience the obvious earth shaking scientific knowledge on this thread. All the groundbreaking infromation they can gleen from it, the overpowering immensity of it may change forever the nature and structure of palentolgical researce!
---MikeM on 6/14/06

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The Ark was real and dinosaurs were real . They aren't as old as we think they are I don't care what carbon dateing says . Man walked with them . They died out just like so many other animals have threw out time . By the way there are only a handfull of dino bones in exsistance . Not that many and full complete skeletons are less than what you can coun't on both hands. And yes The Bible does talk about them.
---rev._chris on 6/14/06

Could the dinosaurs have died off before Noah built his ark?
---Donna2277 on 6/13/06

Noah's ark was for real. I do not believe in the existence of dinosaurs though. Are dinosaur skeletons real? Man can fake anything he wants to back up his claims to what he believes to be truth.
---Helen_5378 on 6/13/06

The bible tells us that Noah had to take on the ark all animals that had breath in their nostrils. That included dinosaurs then. There is nowhere which states what size or age the animals had to be though so babies past the age of depending on mum for food would be old enough.
---M.P. on 6/13/06

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God said it was real, and the one who made all things from his words has my vote to be the one with power enough to do ANYTHING.
---Pharisee on 6/13/06

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