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Catholics Or Protestants Apostate

Is part of the apostate church the Roman Catholics, the Protestants that broke away or both groups? Why?

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The Roman Catholics never had the truth to begin with in order for them to apostasize from it, and the Protestants are people who protest against the falsehood of catholicism. The apostate church is a church that originally had the truth, but then they fell away from the truth and supplant the truth with falsehood.
---Eloy on 6/20/10


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Dear sir:

Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the
Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

> (1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith
> and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath.
The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe Sunday, stultifies
them in the eyes of every thinking man.
(3) We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are
the only group that reason correctly..

Peter R. Tramer, Editor
---francis on 6/20/10

Methodist - "The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first." Clovis G. Chappell, Ten Rules For Living. pg. 61

Baptist - Harold Lindsell, former editor of Christianity Today. said, "There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day." Christianity Today, November 5, 1976.

Episcopal - "The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday." Philip Carrington, Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949.
---francis on 6/20/10

The roman emperor or the first pope wanted their own following & devised the rcc & Is the apostate, the first trin - church, even the mother apostate church. Then her apostate daughters churches, not in this order the presby, luth, cog, naz, episco, bapt, aog, etc, even the god of the muslams, buddha, hindu etc., which Is here Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor,11 v's 14 - 15, Will end up here Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.
Those in the above paragraph came about 300 yr's aft The Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20, was delivered to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter.
This Is what happened to the trin-leaders, 2nd.Cor.4 v 4.
---Lawrence on 6/20/10

Helen 5378- What exactly do you believe...Jesus taught that we must be born again in order to enter the Kingdom of God...John 3:3 This is not a new teaching...We as Christians are actually close followers of Jesus Christ and his word, which pretty much gaurantees we will not fall away...if we stick close to His teachings...What do you believe exactly, I want to know??
---Daniel on 4/23/08

Jesus is the Good Shepherd, and anyone else who steals the sheep is a thief and comes to steal, klll, and destroy.
---frances008 on 4/22/08

The Church which has two heads will not be well represented by its members in Heaven. As Revelation says 'Get out of her, lest you share in her sins.' That is a command from God through John the Revelator.
---frances008 on 4/22/08

Jesus Christ was also called Belzebub by the Pharisees. The world and its systems hate Christians and good Jews. So what is new?
---frances008 on 4/22/08

Frances008::There are no monsters in Heaven ,but those whom you percieve in this earth or down below called Deamons.They are not even visible in Mirrors unless your thoughts turn in that direction.
---Emcee on 4/22/08

Frances008::There are no monsters in Heaven ,but those whom you percieve in this earth or down below called Deamons.They are not even visible in Mirrors unless your thoughts turn in that direction.
---Emcee on 4/22/08

observe the practices of the catholic church and become aware of their fruits. Gambling in the church, bowing to an idol, praying to others rather than the one mediator. Praying to the "queeen of heaven" praying to angels , my people perish for lack of hebrews 6"4-6. True you cannot LOOSE your salvation but you can certainly THROW IT AWAY as hebrews tells us
---Raymond on 4/22/08

As a northern Irish preacher once said, The Church of Christ is not a two-headed monster. There is only one head, and it is not the Pope.
---frances008 on 4/22/08

Frances008::Thank you but this I learnt from Genesis,Jn 1:1-2 say it even better,so if the word is God and God says In the word of Matt16:17-19In "My Church" would I be with God.Is this not also a fact?so why do you say I belong to an organisationis it wrong to belong to Gods organisation?Frances Gods message is love THIS I share with You today.
---Emcee on 4/21/08

Emcee, you belong to God not to a religion, or a human person, organization, nation, whatever. I wish you would understand this fact.
---frances008 on 4/21/08

mima: Correct, and if folks would search out who was Tamuz and Ishtar they might see a whole lot more paganism that has infiltrated the Church.
---SeventhSeal on 4/21/08

Amicusdei:: Are you Catholic? I thought you said you were.If you are then Despair and Presumption are the 2 deadliest sins.Presumption is in agreement with the OSAS theory.Do you think we should presume on God's mercy?or Hope for Heaven by Following Him as he said.
---Emcee on 4/21/08

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---Luz The Catholic Church that we have today is an outgrowth of old Babylonian religion. Prayer beads(the Rotary), holy water, all were once part of the Babylonian religion. It merely shifted over to the Roman religion. Henceforth, it is called the holy Roman Church.
---Mima on 4/21/08

Emcee, you may be right about that. But according to once-saved-always-saved dogma, apostasy is technically not possible.
---amicusdei on 4/20/08

Alan of Uk:: I guess that is in the venue of the new order with old habits needs Ironing out the creases.meanwhile we plod on like christian soldiers.
---Emcee on 4/17/08

Amicusdei::Apostacy is a denial of Christs religion Matt16:17-19 through fear or shame. matt10:33 & Lk9:26
---Emcee on 4/17/08

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It is impossible for Christians to become apostates, because once they are saved they are always saved, and by definition an apostate has lost his salvation.
---amicusdei on 4/17/08

Emcee ... It would be nice if helen came back, but I don't think she has.
I think that was a re-dated post as the blog was resurrected
---alan_of_UK on 4/17/08

Hello Helen::It seems your rest has brought a slight change .I have to PARTIALLY agree. The RCC is not the Apostate church.You got that right.If it is not Apostate it is therefore authentic which makes the disagreement with your other assumptions.But I sit and listen.
---Emcee on 4/17/08

The RCC is not a part of the apostate church because it is not true Christianity and started only about 1500 years ago. The Apostate Church today is that of mainstream Christianity, that is those born-again by the Blood of Jesus -- this is what has apostasised and that is scary. I do believe that the RCC will end up joining in with the Apostate Church, which will then together usher in the Anti-christ and the False Prophet. (continued...)
---Helen_5378 on 4/17/08

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Romans11:4-5 Paul is speaking to Gentiles not about us but the Rebelling Israelites JewsRead Verse15.Verse22 God does not forsake those who who are true to HIS CHURCH the root there is HOLYinstituited by the Saviour Himself.Satan has tried & still trtying to demolish His church & even apsoticised some of Its followers.THE ROCK is IMMOVABLE sorry.
---Emcee on 3/12/07

Moderator Alan of UK::'Where are the true Christians "look around you. by their fruits you will know them.Those clothed in LOVE or those who spew hate & rebelion,who belong to Gods approved Following or those who Grew by the wayside,or yet those winnowed,still searching for a place which they can call truth They know Jesus is truth but which is His church see Matt16:17-19 GODS WORD.He who has ears to hear let him hear.
---Emcee on 3/12/07

God, all through the ages has reserved a Remnant for Himself. At no time, no matter what church or how bad the churches have been, there has always been a Remnant that God through the power of the Holy Spirit has reserved. In Elijah's day, it was seven thousand people who had not been corrupted by Baal worship (1 Kings 19:18) in Isaiah's day it was "very small" (Isa. 1:9) Today's it is compose of members of the true Church, the body of believers spoken of in Romans 11:4,5.
---Lisas on 3/12/07

On Judgment Day, God will not ask you what religion you were. Nor will He ask you what country you came from, nor parentage. God judges a man by His heart.
---catherine on 3/12/07

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Catholics started by JC n Apostles? I dont think so, but if I may ask, where did the Catholics originate from and what does the word Catholic mean? Am curious as I dont know.
---Luz on 3/12/07

Emg :: you should know me better now I belomg to the old Catholic church,what you would call a cradle catholic.I am not of the 21 my ways of thinking acting living & worship.NO My feelings for those activities expressed have never been a priority.This is what is Happening people have no respect & are relegating themselves to being worse than animals.Hope you have a better opinion of me.
---Emcee on 3/11/07

Eloy, The Catholic Church was first named by the early Christians during the first century. But even before it was described as Catholic, it was the Church founded by Jesus Christ and included the Apostles and their successors in its membership. We preserved and assembled the Bible. If you have a problem with that, then throw out your bible and create your own canon from the leftover books.
---lorra8574 on 3/11/07

The apostate church is any church that has left Christ and his commands, their first love, and commonly substitutes Christ for someone or something else. Catholic churches never had the truth from it's beginning; and as for protestant churches, some are apostate and some are not, which usually depends on whether they exercise any leaven of religion or any abolished O.T. law.
---Eloy on 3/11/07

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Jack - ("..the Orthodox church is the original one".) -- That sounds alarm bells. Anybody who tries to claim a church as being the only one, or the original one, is in error. The church of Christ is the body of Christ, which is made up of all born-again Blood washed believers, not denomination/s.
---Helen_5378 on 3/11/07

I know some Catholics who believe that Protestants are heretics and that they are a cult. A Catholic priest once repeated as something i said as "heresy" during mass after a Catholic educational meeting. He hadn't bothered listening to what i had said. It wasn't heresy. I am fed up of Protestants and Catholics labelling each other as cults and heretics. If you really look closely at each faith they are basically the same.
---Ed on 3/10/07

The apostacy is well underway, but it is an idea not a group. There are growing numbers from all Christiand groups, including Catholics, who are falling away from Christ. And, it is not because of the basic teachings of these groups, but because more and more people do not wish to be told what to do or not do, especially if they have an attachment to an idea or sin that is hard to let go and easily rationalised by popular thinking.
---lorra8574 on 3/10/07

From a strict Orthodox viewpoint, BOTH are apostate because the Orthodox Church is the original one.
---Jack on 3/10/07

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There is self-righteousness, judgmentalism, exclusivism, self interest, nominalism and many other aspects of apostatism, in all denominations.

Moderator - Where are the true Christians?
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/10/07

Ryan - To say that the RCC is apostate has to mean that they have fallen away from their own peculiar doctrine and "truth", because they are not standing in the truth of God's Word.
---Helen_5378 on 7/4/06

Yap, both R.C and Protestants. We all know that Christ built only ONE church and that christians must acknowledge HIM as their only LORD and SAVIOUR only and the scriptures should be our sole authority or manual in our daily living specially when it comes to religion......GOd has given us a guide and that we should observe it.
---ryan_timmango on 7/3/06

Emcee you say "on account of sexual practices & preferences which are NOT sinful anymore in the 21 century". Are these your words and beliefs or are you saying that this is what the law of the land now states? God does not change, His Word does not change. These practices are still, and always will be, sinful.
---emg on 7/3/06

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Shira - I must have totally misunderstood what you put then. "If you think the catholic church is the only church there is, honey..." -- that's where I thought you were still talking to me, that is why I said what I said. Ok praise God no harm done. Bless you. :)
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

Emcee ... I do not know what the "United Church" is
The Anglican Communion is having troubled times, because of the insistence of certain dioceses in USA, and I believe Canada, in appointing practicing gay clergy and bishops. The Archbishop of Canterbury who is leader of this loose communion has I understand expressed the view that it may have to become looser still, with these "gay" dioceses not being full members.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/3/06

Helen, I did not call you a catholic. I am sorry if I came across the wrong way. I know you are not a catholic from your post.
---shira on 7/3/06

Alan of Uk:: I read in the news paper that The Anglican &United churches are under going a dissolution & there are some serious split in the church even among the pastors & bishops on account of sexual practices & preferences which is NOT sinful anymore in the 21 centuary.Is this true in the uk.?There is a similar trend in the United church Of Canada
---Emcee on 7/3/06

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Shira::Your prayers are heard. Catholics DO NOT HATE Baptists or any denomination. This is uncharitable.Disagree YES but Hate NO. & contrary to all RCC teachings ,that is why there are so many Rc's on this C/Net
---Emcee on 7/3/06

Alan - I do not know of any single church group that does not have apostate elements. Given the enormity of the apostasy I would be very surprised and delighted to find one that is not apostate.
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

I'm sorry Helen ... either I mistyped or my post was edited. I meant to ask if you knew of any church grouping that did not have within it apostate elements.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/3/06

And while I am at it Shira, the catholic church is a cult, a fact that I have always proclaimed.
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

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Shira - Excuse me but why do you think that I am catholic!!!! of all things. I am born-again by the Blood of Jesus and Spirit-filled. What made you say the things you said about me in your last posting?
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

Most people on this blog do not know the truth neither do they want to hear it. Helen, the main stream churches do not preach "being born again". They have taken "blood" out of their song books. If you think the catholic church is the only church there is, honey, you better read the book of revelation. Oh, before that read the bible starting in John. I am a born again believer and there are few churches who even believe that anymore. Born again believers are in the minority.
---shira on 7/3/06

John, I don't know one single baptist who is a calvanist.
---shira on 7/3/06

Alan - As far as no church grouping that is not apostate, I do not know, although it is hard to imagine that any would not be. False teaching is not something that a person is against, it is teaching that goes totally against what God says in His word. If you really want to know the truth of God's word, then God will show you -- He does that with me, but then He knows that I want the truth.
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

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Shira, Jack's posted atleast 3 times in the past week alone that he isn't Catholic.

Also, Jack didn't write that "Baptist teachings contradict each other." I think he was referring to the gnostic sects which the "Trail of Blood" adherents mistakenly posit held Baptist beliefs; Problem being these sects' beliefs contradicted not only each others' but Baptist doctrine, as well.

No reputable scholar has or ever would put his stamp on the Trail of Blood theory.
---augusta on 7/3/06

Jack, what baptist teachings contradict each other? Prove to me the baptist came out of the catholic church. You prove with every post how much you despise the baptist. Are you a born again christian? You really do reinforce what we already know. The catholics hate baptist. Why? I would like to know why? I pray for catholics every day.
---shira on 7/2/06

I'm well aware of Baptist history. Baptists are ultimately derived from the Protestant Reformation, and did not exist before that, despite the silliness in the booklet TRAIL OF BLOOD that looked at all pre-reform Western sects and says "Oh, that's just Baptists under another name."

When you study their teachings, they contradicted each other and especially Baptist teachings.
---Jack on 7/2/06

Helen ... I think you are confirming the point that I have been attempting to make, that there is probably no church grouping that is not apostate.
What concerns me is that it is easy to condemn a group or denomination as apostate, because it has false teaching (i.e. what one does not agree with) As these blogs show, we have many different interpretations of some aspects of our Faith. How can we as mere humans determine which are the exactly true interpetations of detail doctrine?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/2/06

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Candice you didn't stay neutral in this issue nor a lot of the other blogs you have replied to. On this one you have brought your JW doctrine in on the issue about the flag,
plus you study the New World Translation. Maybe you could explain this to us.
---Elder on 7/1/06

Baptists were once a part of the Scourby Congregation, AKA Pilgrims (Reformed theology). The fled the Ch. of Eng. and went to the Netherlands. There they fell under the teachings of Menno Simons and the Anabaptists, and some adopted their beliefs.

Upon returning to England, they split (as many Protestant churches do). Half remained in England, and becane Baptists. (That's why many Bapts are Calvinistic). The others went to the New World to begin a new colony called Plymouth in 1620.
---John_T on 7/1/06

<< No one can prove the baptist came out of the roman catholic church. We DID NOT COME OUT of the catholic church.>>

And no one can prove that London Bridge is in Arizona, either.
---Jack on 7/1/06

Emcee - The RCC has been totally "apostate" so to speak for an extremely long time. It is a cult and cults do not have any truth in them. The RCC is playing a big part in the end times. It seeks, as you do, to draw disciples away after itself. Great will be it's doom.
---Helen_5378 on 7/1/06

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Alan8869ofUK - If there are any non-apostate churches I sure would like to know. If I happen to find one I will let you know. Do you happen to know of any? Personally it looks like all the false teachers that abound have made an incredibly bad impact on just about every church and denomination. It is like people just don't want the truth anymore. Very common for Christians to just blindly believe what anyone called a preacher says.
---Helen_5378 on 7/1/06

The true chrisitans are those whom follow God according to the bible 100%, the apostates are those not following him & teaching false teachings. it is also the individuals the chocies they make. God of the bible doesn't tolorate people killing others he says "a soul for a soul" So we should stay neutral in things, we should love our neighbors as ourselves no matter what they believe in.We need to put God first before a nation.,yet be thankful for our freedom,but donot idol it (ex the flag).
---candice on 7/1/06

Alan8869ofUK - It is the mainstream Christian churches that are apostate. RCC is not Christian -- they bow to the pope and worship mary etc. and as such are a cult and have never been Christian so are not included. What percentage are apostate only God knows that, but I believe the percentage is very high. If you do not know that there is an apostasy then you are in it.
---Helen_5378 on 7/1/06

No one can prove the baptist came out of the roman catholic church. We DID NOT COME OUT of the catholic church.

Moderator - You are correct the Baptist didn't come out of the Catholic Church. However, through history the Catholic Church wanted kill the Baptists off.
---shira on 7/1/06

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I have recently been to ERastern Europe and learnt a lot about the Orthodox faith. It seems to regard works as more impportnt than faith, although, strangely, it is only recently that they have started "getting involved" in community problems, as opposed to concentrating on spirituality.
Just a comment ... don't think it advances the discussion!
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/1/06

Mima ... In the UK I do not think we have any church with 10,000 members, (unless you mean denomination) Does that mean we are in meltdown?.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/1/06

MikeM Who in non-protestantism can make that claim?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/1/06

Helen ::Have no fear The RCC will NEVER join the apostate church or churches although some members may stray to do what you suggest.Your blog is like a vote of confidence .I think you inadvertantly spoke the truth.
---Emcee on 7/1/06

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Is your church apostate, too, mima?

If so, why do you bother going to it?
---Jack on 7/1/06

From the point of view of Orthodoxy, it would be both groups.

Rome fell away from Catholic unity. Protestants fell away from that, but still sharing the same assumptions and asking the same question, though they answers differ.

In the East, not only are the answers different, but so are the assumptions and questions.
---Jack on 7/1/06

Helen ... I think there is both apostasy and true Christains ai all churches, whatever the name of the denomination. Do you think that the "mainstream" churches are 100% apostate, or just elements within them?
If the former, who do you think are the non-apostate churhes?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/1/06

"All are apostate, misled, heretical, cultish and wrong who do not hold to the true and proper doctrines and precepts that I hold on to, that means me and you, and sometimes I worry about you."

Seriously, who in protestantism can claim the same apostolic authority that the apostles did in the primative Church?
---MikeM on 7/1/06

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The apostate church includes ALL churches. Many believe that we are in the beginning stages of the "meltdown" of the churches which have less than 10,000 members. These large mega-churches will be apostate also, even more than the small churches of today, large churches will accept and work with the Antichrist to bring about a world wide denomination. Who knows the name that will be given, but perhaps we could call it the Laodicean church.
---mima on 7/1/06

"There is self-righteousness, judgmentalism, exclusivism, self interest, nominalism and many other aspects of apostatism, in all denominations. Moderator - Where are the true Christians?" Mod ... I meant that there are these things within every denomination, not that there were no true Christians there as well. I do not think the entire membership of any denomination is either 100% apostate, or 100% Christian.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/1/06

2/... The Antichrist and/or the False Prophet will come from the RCC, with the False Prophet being the more likely given the false signs and wonders already in the RCC.
---Helen_5378 on 7/1/06

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