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Is Key Lay In Heaven

Ken Lay openly talked about being a Christian. Do you think he is in Heaven? If so, how is it fair that he ruined so many lives on earth, and then before punishement, he goes to Heaven?

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Is it fair that any of us make it to heaven?

We are all sinners. Christ was the only one without sin, yet he was the One who had to die.

I myself do not want whats fair. I want GRACE!

As for Ken Lay, I agree, only God knows.

Bless each of you,
---trey on 10/12/07

who is this Ken Lay and what did he do to ruin so many lives? anyhow no one can answer as to where this man is. Only God and this fellow Ken knows.
---Rebecca_D on 10/11/07

Only God knows when Ken Lay is.Its ridiculous for us to be speculating here.The issue is not whether he claimed to be a christian or whether he ruined the lives of many people.Gods grace was opne for him till the last minute.
---pkay on 4/6/07

[cont] Focus more on the goodness of the Lord and less on the "fairness" of life.
---Benny on 8/3/06

The answer lies in the parable of the vineyard workers. (Matt 20:1-16) Bottomline: God's grace is for Him alone to dispense. Given that *all* of us are hell-bound but for God's grace, it does not behoove us to quibble about the salvation-worthiness of others. Anyway, what has the life savings of people got to do with their ultimate salvation? If anything, it might have caused more than a few people to think about storing up riches that no moth can destroy.
---Benny on 8/3/06

Mima: I see that also. More than directly speaking about Saul, I believe the statement (1 Sam 28:19) speaks loudly about righteous JONATHAN . Is Jonathan in Hell? No!

Christian: "Is Ken Lay in Heaven?" Only God knows.
---Leon on 7/12/06

Many here may one day be very surprised to see who is & who isn't in Heaven.

The witch of Endor couldn't really summon Samuel's spirit back from the dead (1 Sam. 28). Scripture shows God brought Samuel back to the witch's utter dismay & horror (kinda like Whoppie Goldberg in the movie Ghost).

The parable of Lazarus & the rich man clearly shows when one is dead there's no coming back. But, God (beyond our understanding) does what suits His purpose (Is. 55:9; Matt. 17:3).
---Leon on 7/12/06

Saul was not talking to Samuel but a lieing spirit conjured up by a witch the devils have the ability to transform themselves into angels of light. God does not work though witches .
---Exzucuh on 7/11/06

Your post implies Saul went to hell! Actually the Scriptures tell us where Saul went. The speaker in this scripture is Samuel telling Saul what's going to happen.
"19Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines". If Saul was going to be with Samuel, the question becomes where was Samuel.
---mima on 7/11/06

mi ma, sounds like a Saul spirit to me. Saul justified his sin. David confessed it and repented from it. Saul never admitted/confessed it nor repented.
I would LOVE to believe what you are saying Ken Lay said, but he was scared and is justifying his sin. He's too smart to not realize something very WRONG was being committed. However, I will say if I were God, I would show Ken mercy because he may have very well repented. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR LIFE SAVINGS? WHERE IS JUSTICE FOR THEM?
---Donna9759 on 7/11/06

To Donna-I heard Ken Lay say that he did not knowingly do anything dishonest or wrong. He admitted that he was the chairman of the board and some of his recommendations lead to actions that were taken, but he said that both he and the board were misled. He also stated that it will all come out in the eternity to come. It has been my experience that when men speak of eternity like that, they are secure in their feelings toward God.
---mima on 7/10/06

Regardless of what this man did, if he asked God to forgive him before he died, then yes he is in heaven, but no one can know for sure until we get there and if we see him, then there is our answer.
---Rebecca_D on 7/10/06

mi ma, doesn't 1John 2:3 say: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But who keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL is one of the commandments, no? Did Ken Lay keep God's word? If the truth is not in Ken Lay, and Jesus is the way and the TRUTH, then he isn't even considered a Christian, amen?
---Donna9759 on 7/10/06

Part#2 why is he in heaven if he is a Christian, simply because Christians have been forgiven. The question becomes, for given for what, O glory hallelujah to the Lord a Christian is forgiven of his sins, not one or two are a few, but all of his sins. Failure to understand this simple truth puts you in the position of constantly condemning other people. Think about it !!!!
---mima on 7/10/06

Part #1 Jack's Answer is very clear. It is unbelievable how many people think that what Ken Lay did or did not do on earth determines whether or not he went to heaven. This is just another Apple out of the basket of works. Perhaps the answer should be something like this-if he were a Christian(and he actually referred to this in an interview with Larry King and said he was a Christian). The the answer is yes he is in heaven.
---mima on 7/10/06

Rebecca ... I think he was the Enron man.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/10/06

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Ken Lay apparently went to church and apparently spoke some Scripture. However, neither of these things makes one a Christian. It is only faith in Jesus' finished work on the Cross that saves one's soul.
---Helen_5378 on 7/10/06

Rebecca: Ken Lay was the chairman of Enron, which bilked millions of dollars from investors.
---Madison1101 on 7/9/06

His sins, awful as they were, were not unforgivable if he repented.
---Donna2277 on 7/9/06

RebeccaD-- Ken Lay was CEO of Enron, a large company in Houston that was involved in selling or trading energy (or something like that). They had a huge work force whose retirement funds were invested by the company in...what else...Enron stock! The corporation misrepresented itself by dishonest bookeeping, went under, employees lost all their retirement funds.
---Donna2277 on 7/9/06

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Tracy: Jesus disagrees with you. Read the parable of Lazarus and Dives.
---Jack on 7/9/06

Christian, do you want to be punished for your own sins, or do you want to be forgiven of them?

The grant Ken Lay the same chance you want for yourself. Matthew 7:12.
---Jack on 7/9/06

We cannot judge who does and does not go to heaven, but I can say he is not there now. No one goes to heaven or hell until judgement day, you are 'asleep' at death.
---Tracy on 7/9/06

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