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False Doctrines And Teachings

As concerns judging others, what do you consider to be undeniably false doctrines or false teachings? Name some.

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ruben how bout deut. was that just for that book? what bout Prov 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
---r.w on 8/6/06

Rueben--I used this Scripture (although there are others) because it was more detailed. Many cults make up their own end-time scenarios, based on the Book of Revelation and the teachings of their leaders. I also quoted Prv 30:6. And Deut. 12:32 says "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it"
---Donna2277 on 7/28/06

Donna-( the Bible as sole authority, " if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take shall take away his part out of the book of life...(Rev 22:18-19)) This verse is talking about adding and subtracting what was written down, a big AMEN to that, but how you get sole authority is beyond me. The author is talking about the book of revelation and not about the bible.
---Ruben on 7/28/06


Why is it you persist in trying to shackle the rest of us into a cult that insists on THINGS LONG-PROVEN WRONG, such as the necessity of the Sabbath, and absolute adherence to the 10Cs as a way to get into heaven (or maintain heaven)?

Because the founder of the cult is skewed, then what she says can not be trusted, no matter how much "patchwork Scripture text proofing" you do.

Context in ALL of them disproves your wrong allegations.
---John_T on 7/28/06

Maybe a reason Christians take the Bible as sole authority, are verses that warn:
"..the words of the prohecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take shall take away his part out of the book of life...(Rev 22:18-19)

The consequences are dire.

"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar" Pr. 30:6
---Donna2277 on 7/27/06

I base my faith on the Word of God the Bible. Romans 10:17 Ephesians 6:17 Hebrews 4:12, 11:3 1Peter 1:23 Revelation 19:13. I don't base my faith on the Koran, the book of Mormon, the Watch Tower or any other so called books of faith.
---Creamcup on 7/27/06

Ruben, notice Isaiah 8:20

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Geoff on 7/27/06

Anything that denies the "Finished Work of Christ".
---kathr4453 on 7/27/06

Ralph-(All Christians believe that the Bible is the sole authority of God's word.) That is funny, because the Bible itself does not make that claim.
---Ruben on 7/27/06

All Christians believe that the Bible is the sole authority of God's word.
---ralph on 7/27/06

Anybody here wonder why the Mormons cannot join the National Council of Churches? They have been rejected at least twice for membership - even in that liberal organization.
---lee on 7/19/06

way to go dan good job ask the mormons bout the sacred underwear with the masonic compass and square on it.
---r.w. on 7/19/06

Wow Dan. Sounds like the Mormons have some really bad doctrine. Maybe Robert or one of the others will attempt to explain with Biblical scripture if these are not correct.
---Bubba on 7/19/06

Mormonism was founded as an old sex cult with men seeking multiple wives. Even the founder Joe Smith had some 40 wives, Brigham Young had 18.

Using the Scripture as a standard, then none of the Mormon leaders qualified for the office of deacon or elder - 1Timothy and Titus, so why listen to them or their successors?
---lee on 7/18/06

God in the powerful name of Jesus I pray your Holy Spirit anoint this blog and reveal the truth, and also reveal every single lie of satan that has deceived your people. AMEN!
---dan on 7/18/06

More Mormonism false doctrine:
Baptism for the dead (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141).
There is a mother god (Articles of Faith, by James Talmadge, p. 443).
---dan on 7/18/06

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More Mormonism false doctrine:
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; Vol. 8, p. 115)
Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 92).
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188).
---dan on 7/18/06

More Mormonism false doctrine: from Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine
If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 670
The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration p. 635
---dan on 7/18/06

More Mormonism false doctrine: from Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children (p. 516). The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus (p. 129) Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both (p.163)
---dan on 7/18/06

More Mormonism phony baloney: "I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins ... This is loving our neighbor as ourselves, if he needs help, help him, and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 220).
---dan on 7/18/06

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How about some false mormon doctrines? "Here then is eternal life -- to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you..." (Teachings of the Prophet, Joseph Smith, p. 346).
---dan on 7/18/06


Are you saying that mormons believe Jesus the Son, God the father and God the Holy Spirit are all the same? That these are the three figures within the God-head? That there is no difference among these three because they are all one?
---Ryan on 7/18/06

Robert, Are you a Mormon?
---Creamcup on 7/18/06

2. Even if that is not the case, Abraham, Lazarus and a rich man are all very much alive and alert while their bodies are sleeping in the grave. The rich man was even in torment so there was more than simple consciousness too. They could speak, there was water, flame, a gulf, comfort, etc. No soul sleep present.
---tofurabby on 7/18/06

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Geoff, It doesnt say if the Lazarus in Luke 16 and John 11 are the same or not... both were sick and died. The rich man asked that Lazarus be sent to his fathers house, he did not ask for Lazarus to be raised from the dead... did he already know Lazarus was going to be ressurected? Though Lazarus rose from the dead, they will not be persuaded so Abraham told him no. cont.
---tofurabby on 7/18/06

For Robert:

"God sits enthroned in yonder heavens as an exalted man. He became God the same way all the other Gods before him." -Joseph Smith-Journal of Discourses, Vol.6, p 1-7

If man can become God and God was once a man, and all other Gods before him were first men, who created the first man to become God?

In other words, which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Isaiah 43:10 "Before me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after me."
---John_T on 7/18/06

I don't know about the Mormons. A lot of groups believe in the "divinity" of Jesus. But do they accept Him as EQUAL with God? Some, if you look into it, actually believe that Jesus was sort of a lesser the Vice Pres. of the Universe or God Jr. (my words).
---Donna2277 on 7/18/06

Robert, it was I, not Eric who said, " Is it not inconsistent to reject the original sources, but accept the plagerist?" the context of the remark was SDA stuff.

Mormons place their faith in non-extant plates, written in a non-extant language, found in a hill where 10,000 non-extant human warriors are buried.

There are no archeological evidences for the Lamanites; the American Indians are Mongoloid, not Jewish. Smithsonian says that, but NOT BoM
Now, THAT is preposterous!
---JOHN_T on 7/18/06

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Alan, when I replied to Exzucuh, I did note the typo, and I thought I corrected it without being nasty (no you did not accuse)

Nevertheless, the statement Eloy makes cuts out Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, Hebrews, James, and Jude. I merely pointed out the implications of the statement.
---Johjn_T on 7/18/06

ALL angels are created beings. therefore you say by implication that Jesus is a created being.
---john_T on 7/18/06

Satan and Jesus as brothers is a Mormon belief.
---tofurabby on 7/18/06

Jesus is the angel Michael; Christians will have to suffer through the tribulation; Lucifer is the brother of Jesus; Soul Sleep; God does not chastize his own because he is love and nothing else; spiritual gifts being used today;

#1 FALSE Michael; is ADAM the first man.
#2 TRUE everyone suffers in life "the tribulation????
#3 Death biblically = SLEEP.
#4 FALSE - God chastizes those he loves.
#5 TRUE - spiritual gifts are eternally tied to faith. Thus they exist alongside faith
---Robert on 7/18/06

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Mormons do NOT deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Your anti-Mormon study manual is wrong.

Latter-Day Saints absolutely accept the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Let that lie pass and go for another correction to their beliefs.
---Robert on 7/18/06

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,....

Isaiah 14:12 - 15
---Robert on 7/18/06

I could quote scripture 100 times and you would ask where it is written in scripture 101. from tofurabby

The law of witnesses demands to be followed. (2 Cor 13:1)

Bible Study is more than just knowing a scripture brethren. It must be understood in context, i.e. "...every word that proceedeth out of the mouth if God." Matt 4:4.

forum does not lend itself to full & proper discussion.
---Robert on 7/18/06

Lee, you're just going to have to get over it. The angel argument is mute because whether Jesus was perceived as an angel or not, SDAs don't believe He was created. SDAs believe Jesus is God the Son. Jesus created the angels. He is the sole author of our salvation.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
---Geoff on 7/18/06

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Eric; you said,

Is it not inconsistent to reject the original sources, but accept the plagerist?

Neither is it consistent to reject Books mentioned in the Bible but not present and accept extrabiblical philosophies like the Nicene Creed.

4th century Catholic heresy.

God made man in his own image and likeness.
Thus GOD LOOKS LIKE US. It is inconsistent to say otherwise.
---Robert on 7/18/06

Tofurabby, surely you don't think the poor beggar, full of sores, laying at the rich man's gate in Luke 16 is Jesus' friend, the brother of Mary & Martha in John 11. The two persons don't match. All the people with the same or similar name in the Bible are not necessarily the same person. Besides, if they are the same, the two stories don't match because the poor man was not resurrected to go warn the rich man's family.
---Geoff on 7/18/06

They were also from different status; Mary & Martha's brother was no bum whereas the beggar wouldn't have had such a lavish burial with mourners, a personal tomb or nice grave clothes... So are you trying to bring a parable to life or did Lazarus have three deaths? How cruel to snatch someone out of heaven to die twice more.
---Geoff on 7/18/06

All creation came in spirit first - then physically. Thus saith the Word,

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

(Old Testament | Genesis 2:4 - 5)
---Robert on 7/18/06

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Lucifer, who fell from grace, was a "son of the morning" and he was a spirit created by the Father of all spirits, before the creation of the earth. Although he opposed God and was cast down, he cannot be removed from his brotherhood with all the spirits even the Spirit Jehovah.

Jesus, like all others is a Son of the Father, and thus a brother of all. (We are co-heirs, Lucifer sold his estate by rebelling)

Truth is stranger than fiction.
---Robert on 7/18/06

John T ... I think you misrtad Ezxucah. If you look carefully at the grammar, what he is actually saying is "Any doctrine is false unless it comes from Jesus, or from the apostles, including Paul"
That means that apostles teaching is true, and Paul is one of the apostles.
And all that is standard Christian belief.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/18/06

One false doctrine that we encounter is the belief that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer (Satan). I cannot recall where I read it but did not the early SDA including Ellen White believe just that? I need to go back and research the subject to be sure. But clearly accordingly then since Satan was an archangel, then that would also make Jesus one - burf!
---lee on 7/18/06


I search with BOTH my heart and head for truth.

Since God is not schizophrenic, He is consistent, the SDAs are not.

They reject creeds, accepted by 99.9% or so of Christians.

They reject writings of learned men, and Early church Fathers in order to pin hopes on the writings of a woman not learned in Scripture languages, and who plagerized many things.

Is it not inconsistent to reject the original sources, but accept the plagerist?
---John_T on 7/18/06

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John T,

One day I hope you will see. I hope it is not too late though. You will see that you were never open to search with all your heart. I hope you will never forget me.
---eric on 7/17/06

Exzucuh: I bet your NT looks like someone made paper dolls from it.

"Any doctrines [coming from]Jesus or the apostles, Paul included is false doctrine"

Your statement cuts out Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, Hebrews, James, and Jude. WOW!

For your information Paul WAS an Apostle.

Do you now want to change your silly statement?
---John_T on 7/17/06

Exzuch, Does that mean you don't believe any of the OT or the book of Revelation? I think you are the one with the false doctrine.
---Creamcup on 7/17/06

Exzucuh writes: "Any doctrines that have come forth out of any person other than Jesus or the apostles, Paul included is false doctrine"

I'm assuming that last part about Paul was a typo??
---augusta on 7/16/06

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Geoff, the body goes to sleep and the soul leaves and will be returned to it at the ressurection when the body wakes from it's sleep in its glorified state. Here is the scripture you wanted about Lazarus's stay in paradise. Luke 16:19-31
---tofurabby on 7/15/06

Thanks for the warning John_T. I have no plans to have a bible study with him... Its like I said... I could show a scripture reference as an answer to a question 100 times and he would still ask me to show where it says it in scripture 101 times. Not worth my time.
---tofurabby on 7/15/06

tofurabby: care to eat a little rat poison?

Unless you are fully grounded in Scripture, and can see deceptions such as the SDAs (and Mormons) weave to delude the innocent, STAY AWAY from the SDAs.

They will cobble 3-4 unrelated Scriptures together to create something the Bible never says, and the end is that you will become sucked into and shackled to a legalistic, guilt-driven cult
---John_T on 7/13/06

Any doctrines that have come forth out of any person other than Jesus or the apostles, Paul included is false doctrine, study the scriptures they are our doctrine. It is the Mind of man that twists the Scripture to make an Idol he can worship and another way to God.
---Exzucuh on 7/13/06

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Revelation 13;13; 19;20. these men will perform lying wonders,miracle working, false prophets, They dont keep all the ten comandments, They do away with the clear teaching of jesus. Matthew 5;19.
---winna on 7/13/06

Tofurabby, nothing wrong with a little Bible study. I'd love to... Join me? Let me know if you'd prefer my personal email or IM.

Also, please explain: "The bible does use sleep as a word for death because the physical body is not finished with yet. But the soul does not sleep with it... There is also a description of his stay in paradise while his body slept."

Scripture please?
---Geoff on 7/13/06

Creamcup, you may think differently if you did a more indepth study of all the Bible says on the subject of Michael the Archangel and Jesus. Rev 12:7; Dan 10:5-21, 12:1; Gen 16:7-13 (who's this being in v13?); likewise Gen 22:11-12, 15-18; also Gen 31:11-13; even Acts 7:30-32. May I share a few more with you?
---Geoff on 7/13/06

I think of false doctrines as being lies or false interpretation of scripture. Example: Jesus is Michael the archangel. That is not true. An archangel is a kind of angel. Lucifer (Satan,devil) was an angel who rebelled against God. Isaiah 14:12-15, Luke 10:18

There is a difference between the archangel Michael and the other angels, but they are angels. It is outrageous to say Jesus is an archangel. Jesus is not and never was Michael the archangel. Jesus is the Son of God.
---Creamcup on 7/12/06

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Ps. The bible does use sleep as a word for death because the physical body is not finished with yet. But the soul does not sleep with it. You mentioned Lazarus, well that is a prime example. There is also a description of his stay in paradise while his body slept.
---tofurabby on 7/12/06

Geoff you are asking me for a full blown bible study. Kind of hard to post in 85 characters. Besides, I would bet that you know all the scripture already, it seems like you've polished up the spin and it is hardly worth repeating. It's like trying to debate politics with a liberal. I could quote scripture 100 times and you would ask where it is written in scripture 101.
---tofurabby on 7/12/06

Tofurabby, I was asking you for scripture supporting that Christians will not go through the tribulation & that death is not referred to as a sleep. On the contrary, Jesus said, "Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep" Jn 11:11-14. You're not off the hook so easily. The pretrib error, as Eric said, teaches a second chance when the Bible says "now is the day of salvation." 2 Cor 6:2
---Geoff on 7/12/06

Tofurabby, where do you get Michael the Archangel's rank in relationship to satan? Text please. Don't you see the difference one little prefix can make on a word? There is a big difference between an angel and Michael the Archangel as there is a big difference between Christ and antichrist. The Watch Tower Society knows the significance of a tiny word. Their false version of John 1:1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
---Geoff on 7/12/06

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Just watch Montel Williams on Wednesday's and watch Sylvia Brown, she says that God has a mother, Mother Earth, and that when someone dies regardless of age, they will automatically go to 30 years old. She is really weird.
---Rebecca_D on 7/11/06

Geoff, Michael is an angel with higher rank than the others. Dont say he is not an angel. (head angel over the other angels but had lower rank than Satan who was the original head angel)

As for this: "Please give texts for #2 (Christians & the trib) & #4 (soul sleep)"
I can't give you scripture supporting these because they do not exist. They are pretend doctrines made up by man, not biblical.
---tofurabby on 7/11/06

Tofurabby, those may be false as far as you are concerned, but as far as the Bible is concerned preaching another Jesus is false (i.e. teaching that Jesus is not divine) 2 Cor 11:3-4. There're other falsehoods like teaching the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross or that Jesus broke the law. Jesus is NOT an angel, but Jesus is Michael the archangel (head over the angels). Of your list of 7, two others have no biblical support. Please give texts for #2 (Christians & the trib) & #4 (soul sleep)
---Geoff on 7/11/06

Alan 8869 of Uk.oops. I made a mistake. Its the doctrine that say Jesus was not born of a Vigin Mary. Therefore it is "The denial of the Virgin birth of Jesus". Actually they is a doctrine that state Mary Mother was a virgin. Another false teaching.
---Ramon on 7/11/06

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Act 8:18-20 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money, saying, "Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit." But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!
---Ryan on 7/11/06


I can't speculate further than what I assumed from the scant details in Scripture.
---John_T on 7/11/06

John T., Don't you suppose there were those followers of Jesus that contributed money to them. There are those that think that gain is Godliness, what about you what are your thoughts.
---Thomas_D. on 7/11/06

Alan & ff:

Perhaps I was not clear enough. Sorry.

All I intended was to challenge the assumption that the Disciples were a pennyless group, and to show some of Judas' thoughts.

Whatever they thought of money as a group is speculation.

Surely, the logistics of 13 men wandering in the country required material and monetary support. Because Judas was recognized as treasurer, there was some sort of income generated as well as expenses involved.
---John_T on 7/11/06

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Ramon ... You say that "6). The denial of the Virgin Birth of Mary" is a false teaching. Do you really mean that? I recall eslewhere you have vehemently said that Mary was conceived normally. Only Jesus was born of a virgin, His mother was not.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/11/06

John T The gospels speak of the disciples asking Jesus to 'send away the crowd to buy their own food'. One account mentions 100 penniesworth of bread another 200, but it doesn't actually state that they had that money. It sounds as if they are saying "how can we possibly provide for all these people?" I don't think we can know whether they had much or little money. Incidentally the number of people was way in excess of 5000 as Matthew states 5000 men besides women and children.
---f.f. on 7/11/06

John T ... Yes Jesus and the disciples were "well off" but they did not regard it as their money. There is no record of them spending it on themselves.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/11/06

#2.5)The denial of the Holy Trinity.6). The denial of the Virgin Birth of Mary. 7)The concept that you are save by Works and Faith.8). The teachings that you save by Baptism.9) A men dont have a Soul, men only got a body and a spirit.10). They is no Holy Spirit.11) That Jesus was resurrected in spirit. 12). They is no hell.13) They is no Hell-Fire.14). That the wicked will disappear in the the lake of Fire at the end of age.15)The denial of the enternal torment of the wicked etc.
---Ramon on 7/10/06

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They are many false teachings out there. Some are 1).Soul-Sleep, it teaches that your soul sleep at death. This contradict scriptures.2). Jesus Suffer in Hell after his death.3). The Post-Trib Rapture, it teaches that Christ will Rapture his Church and come back after the Tribulation. This does not make sense, and contradicted many scriptures like Revelation 19:11.4) Jesus was the angel called Michael. This deny everything scriptures tells us about Jesus.
---Ramon on 7/10/06

humanism,scientology,mormom,others I could name but it might offend and I ain,t into that.
---tom2 on 7/10/06

The rapture theory.

It cant be proven from scripture and is dangersou because it teaches that if you didnt make it the first time (secret rapture) you have 7 years to get it straight before He comes with all His glory.

The saints go through the tribulation just "as it was in the days of Noah" and then He comes with all His glory to recieves us unto Himself and to take us to heaven. John 14:1-3
---eric on 7/10/06

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