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Godly Women To Keep Silent

How do you reconcile the stories of all the godly women in the Bible to some of the New Testament instructions for women to keep silent in church? I know that God is not the author of confusion, so this is not a contradiction. I must be missing an important point here.

Moderator - Everyone was to keep silent in church.

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They men and woman didn't sit on seperate sides of the church. They sat in completely different rooms. How can you say that God is not telling women to be silent and not preach or teach? It distinctly says, do not, because of Eve's sin in the garden. In another place it says this is a commandment of the Lord. Somehow women feel the need to be in authority.
---veronica on 12/10/07

He wasn't telling the women not to preach or teach, but not to be a disturbance during the service. The way they had it set up then the women were speaking across the room to their husbands in order to ask a question & it was causing distrurbance. The bible isn't knocking women preachers/pastors. If you read Ephesians 4:11 it says, " and He called some..." It doesn't say men or women, but some.
---Rickey on 11/10/07

I am practicing the Art of Silence.
Silence is Splendor. I love Calm.

---Reiter on 11/7/06

I have read the scriptures discussed here many times and I still can't find the parts about women shouting across the church to their husbands or co-ordaining spouces or women being lesser beings than men or shadows to men or sharing Paul's ministry or allowing a woman to preach just because the man wasn't as good with words or men were to treat women as slaves or so many other notions. My brothers & sisters, either we use the Bible we have or make up one...
---mikefl on 7/20/06

Melissa, there were/are many Godly women. Women are equal to men in God's eyes. The whole problem is we just can not accept that He has a plan bigger than we are. Our ego as humans just will not let us read the words without making subtle changes (see the Garden, it started there). Some men do not like the idea of being responsible. Some do not have the same revelation as a woman. YET, God has a plan. IT is written in the Book. So, we follow it or we rewrite it... Our choice (on earth).
---mikefl on 7/20/06

Good intentions are no reason to disobey God.

1 Cor 14:34 . . . women . . . it is not permitted unto them to speak (as authority) . . . as also saith the law.
35 . . . for it is a shame for women to speak in the church (as leadership).

A woman pastor teaches men, admonishes men, leads men, thus she cannot be obeying God's intention.

There are no women pastors in the Bible, just witnesses and one judge.
---a_servant on 7/19/06

A woman is subject to man in general, not just a husband.

1 Cor 11:3 . . . the head of the woman is the man
10 . . . the woman to have power on her head

God requires silence (taking no active/vocal part in the conduct of church leadership). A woman pastor cannot obey this.

1 Cor 14:34 . . . women keep silence . . .
1 Tim 2:11 . . . woman learn in silence . . .
12 . . . not . . . teach . . . but to be in silence.
---a_servant on 7/19/06

My husband and I co-pastor a church. We are both ordained and both work in the ministry. My husband has the title and the responsibility of pastor, not because I am uncapable, but because he is the man and I am in subjection to him. The position is rightfully his. We discuss issues and decisions but he makes the final decision. God makes a place for each individual in each circumstance.
---Debbie on 7/19/06

it clearly says that the bible is God's word and it is sure...then why are we going against what is written in the bible? it clearly says women to be quiet in church...why are we arguing against God's instruction from His own book? Yes, the Bible...or is it only half truth and half error? We call it the truth dont we???we are not bigots, just following exactly what the Bible says....whom are you worshiping to and whose instructions do you follow friends?
---jana on 7/19/06

Ideally men should have leadership positions but we have to acknowledge the grace of our Lord. It says he is able to make all grace abound in all things. I would personally choose a woman led by the Spirit of God over a man that has made a doctrine, international or convention his head. It is the Lord's church and he can use whom he will. There is a difference between filling a need and usurping authority. Just because a man has the authoriy given by man it doesn't means he has authority given by God.
---Shari on 7/18/06

1 Cor 14:34 . . . women keep silence . . .
1 Tim 2:11 . . . woman learn in silence . . .
12 . . . not . . . teach . . . but to be in silence.

"Silence" = taking no active/vocal part in the conduct of church leadership, e.g., 'silent partner'.

God requires men to function as leaders in church.

Christian women are to not lead. Does not God have the right to restrict usage of the voice, mind & body He has created?
---a_servant on 7/18/06

This command was to men. It shows who God intended to be in authority.

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 . . . for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

This is about authority. Women can pray, sing, read Scripture. Women openly dishonor Him, when they refuse subjection & insist on leading.
---a_servant on 7/18/06

1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

God does not govern His world to be popular with His servants. He does all things for His glory (Is 43:7), including his commands for women.

usurp = to seize and hold the power or rights of another without legal authority.
---a_servant on 7/18/06

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God breathed . . .

1 Cor 11:3 . . . the head of the woman is the man

7 . . . the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head

God wants women subordinate to men's authority. Any confusion comes from man & woman.
---a_servant on 7/18/06

I am reading a great book called "Why Not Women?" It is written by a Christian missions president and it discusses the role of women in the Church and missions and ministries. One chapter discusses the way Roman society viewed women, and it just is fascinating.

Bottom line: Woman have a place in the church, and it is not just in the nursery.
---Madison1101 on 7/17/06

I feel like I have been to a wonderful service reading all of these beautiful answers! Thank you ... especially the MEN who stood up and wrote these answers. Thank you for the question itself. I grew up in a church that silenced women too. Men take lots of text out of context there. I know the truth now, but i pray for them to be freed. Clarity...and not confusion.
---Amy9384 on 7/17/06

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#4 There are 8 women mentioned in Romans 16. They definitely held places of authority and were partners with Paul in his ministry. It should be mentioned, in the case of the couple Priscilla and Aquilla, her name is mentioned first, indicating she was more prominent than her husband.
---Debbie on 7/17/06

#3 The word "silence" doesn't mean an absolute end to all speech, but an end to anxious, fleshly, foolish, untimely actions and speech. This is saying that a woman should be at rest, gentle and yielding. This does not rob a woman of all authority nor stop her from holding a spiritual office. Authority is granted to women scripturally as it is men. Men, also, are found today usurping authority given to women by God, and they are doing it in the name of the Lord.
---Debbie on 7/17/06

#2 These admonitions by Paul were given because the assemblies were in disorder in regard to tongues and prophecy. Also, women were trying to take authority over the men, desiring to teach them. They were not in subjection and they were not teachable. They were not silent in obedience to God or man, but instead pushed their self-given authority.
---Debbie on 7/17/06

#1 Read II Cor. 11:5; 14:34,35; I Tim. 2:11-13.
Women are allowed to pray and prophecy in the assemblies, because the head covering reveals a woman place of subordination to men. If a woman was only allowed to pray or prophecy in the presence of other women, what would be the point. There are 5 important phrases: "silence," "obedience," "subjection," "teach," and "usurp authority."
---Debbie on 7/17/06

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Paul was addressing a group of women who had become busy bodies in one location. it was not a general condemnation of women in general. It was certainly not a statement that women could not should not be able to hold any office in the church.

Those who try to use the statement to suppress women position in the body in the body of Christ are bigots, liars and false teachers.
---notlaw99 on 7/17/06

I was raised around people who kept the women quiet in church. That scripture about women was very important to the men. The women were only shadows, physically women, but mentally and emotionally children. The women were always talking about 'healing,' but never seemed to get themselves healed, always 'hurting in their hearts.' This came from 'retreats' they men sent the women to to get brainwashed, rendering them submissive, passive. I prefer Esther in the Bible, a strong womenly women.
---MikeM on 7/17/06

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