God's Will For Osama Bin Laden
2) Why do so many people think that God planned for OBL to do what HE did or did not plan on OBL doing what was done? Whatever happens to anyone was foreseen by God but was not predestined/decided by God. We have decided our own fate through our sins. It just so happens to be that God has seen the evil choice that we have/will make.
But like all of us OBL is not FREE Nor were we ever FREE!!! Everyone heart is either carrying the easy yoke of the Lord or the burdensome yoke of death.
---Shawn.M.T on 10/1/08|
--To Whomsoever has an ear to hear?
Is it God's Will that OBL stay out of our custody? ...Unfortunately God's Will doesn't work that way.
If you are in hopes of knowing God's Will? God's Will works for the good of everyone who believes!!!!
Know that it is God's Will that all of us, including OBL, are to have a heart to do the Will of the Father!! But if we do not, God can & will still USE that heart. So believe and whatsoever comes from OBL action shall be used for your good!!
...Read part 2
---Shawn.M.T on 9/30/08|
Tray, yup, that's me -- love aod flowers and butterflies. :-) I don't hate Mr. Bin Laden. And I still have no idea of what you are trying to tell me, and, frankly, I have just about lost interest. God bless you!
---Kim2u on 9/29/08|
Kim: I'm not asking you to follow me.
You don't seem want to face the hard stuff. You just want it all to be love and flowers. I wish it were so. But, there are evil people. I mean good grief girl they killed our lord.
My comments are not meant to be hard, just provoking. Provoking a look. GOD, doesn't love everyone. Everyone is not going to make it.
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
I give scripture, but.....what? You don't understand? You don't agree with our scripture? Or just y-ours?
---Trav on 9/29/08|
Tray, sorry, I don't follow you at all.
---Kim2u on 9/29/08|
Kim2u: Response was scripture. Muslims know side of Abraham they originate. Find in scriptures given, research muslim belief.
All are not going to make it according to scripture. Recognizing this important. Disciples dusted their feet of those who did not accept truth.
Patience and continual hope will not leverage people into what they will not accept.
We are not assuring ourselves salvation by
mingling, supporting, condoning, strengthning the scoffers,naysayers, antichrist, atheist, agnostic,muslim, etc, forever.
Comes time,dust feet.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
---Trav on 9/29/08|
Tray, I did not understand your response.
---Kim2u on 9/26/08|
Kim2u: You are blessed in meekness. Get your bible out.
Osama's side of Abraham is blessed. His blessing in Genesis was. Genesis 16:11-13
he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
>And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
---Trav on 9/26/08|
"The satan only does G-d's will. Everything, good and bad comes from G-d -- Isaiah 45.7. The satan just does some of the dirty work."
---bernie_cohen on 8/16/08
"Isaiah 54:15: "Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake." Didn't the bernie just finished saying, "Everything, good and bad comes from G-d"? Who gathered them? Maybe is time to go back to the drawing board and try once more to elucidate?
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! ...", Matt 11:21, and Matthew 18:7: "Woe unto the world ..." If God makes man bad and evil, Jesus would definitely know and not exclaimed as such."
---Nana on 9/25/08|
I mightn't be so blatant but there is an element of truth in Brooks' post. God is the creator of evil as well as good. Isaiah 45:7. And Paul says God accomplishes ALL things according to the counsel of His will. Ephesians 1:11. So at the end of the day nothing has been done out of God's control. But I certainly have no way to explain the whys of everything. I am not God.
---Kim2u on 9/25/08|
God's will for Mr. Bin Laden is that he be saved and have knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3,4. We are to love him.
---Kim2u on 9/25/08|
So Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao. Hihoroto, Beria, Mengele, Eichmann, Goebbels, Jones of Jonesville, Koresch, the Finnish gunmen, were all doing God's will?
I am tempted to resign!!
---alan_of_UK on 9/25/08|
So your god was in control of Hitler and bin Laden?
So Hitler was a tool god used to commit genocide against millions of Jews? God was a co-pilot on those jet airliners that slammed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?
If that is what you believe you have provided the most substantial reason to reject any belief in god.
I can't imagine anyone benefiting from such belief...
---atheist on 9/25/08|
Atheist ... not all Christians believe that
---alan_of_UK on 9/25/08|
atheist that is exactly what I am saying. Tonight I will give you the verses in the Holy Word of God that proves it.
course with a name of atheist it will not show you anything as you don't believe in the bible but maybe some others will benefit.
---brooks on 9/25/08|
Maybe I am misunderstanding. But are you saying that you god is in control of such people as bin Laden and Hitler?
---atheist on 9/24/08|
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God is sovereign in everything. Hitler, Bin Laden, GWB all are under the control of God. If not then you must decide where God is sovereign and where He is not. Is He sovereign only on the good and the bad He really has no control? Not my God.
---brooks on 9/24/08|
Scpipture was given. He is muslim born. Muslim named. His stand has been and is in defense of his 20 year mentors. Wright and Cone. Just one of many documented book excerpts below from Cone.
If Jesus Christ is white and not black, he is an oppressor, and we must kill him. The appearance of black theology means that the black community is now ready to do something about the white Jesus, so that he cannot get in the way of our revolution. Pg. 111
and many more similar.
Are you defending them perhaps?
---Trav on 9/24/08|
Please explain the phrase you used ...There is no provision for him(OBL) being saved. Thank you.
---Janze on 9/24/08|
What side do Gentiles come from? No side?
---Nana on 9/24/08|
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I love all you guys hearts. It's more likely that OBL is comes from the other side of Abraham. There is no provision for him being saved. Heb 8:8 Jer 31:31.
His blessing in Genesis was this. Genesis 16:11-13
And he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
We have been taught to believe one doctrine....but it sides us against the truth. Would you knowingly go against the prophets?
---Trav on 9/17/08|
God wants all men to believe on his Son not that Jesus is him. If you believe Jesus is the Father you are Antichrist or if you believe only on the Father and do not believe in the Son you are Antichrist.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
---exzucuh on 9/15/08|
2 John 1:9 He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Acts 17:19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
Acts 17:23-24 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship,
Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that --man-- whom he hath ordained, whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
---exzucuh on 9/15/08|
The only thing I know for sure is that God wants Osama to come to a knowledge of the truth, recognize Jesus as God (not Allah) and be born again. Now, that would be a miracle!
---Donna2277 on 9/13/08|
God's will is that ALL men are saved. Yes, even Bin Laden. Remove yourself from the emotional aspects of 9/11 and ask yourself an honest question? How much of a difference is there between Bin Laden and Saul of Tarsus?
---Greyrider on 11/13/07|
The Scriptures say that every sparrow that falls is seen and known by God. Therefore it would seem to be permissible to believe that what ever happens concerning Osama bin Laden would be seen by God also.
---mima on 11/13/07|
read Habakkuk and you decide.
---willow on 5/2/07|
Mabe. Everything is for a purpose. That is why we have to stay awake, do not sleep, my friend.
---catherine on 5/2/07|
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God's will is that everyone has an opportunity to come to him. those that refuse or say that they are their own god will be given their just due, by being subject to an eternity of separation. those that confess Christ will have communion with their Creator, Lord, Savior, and God. Bin Laden is a man just like us all.
---Jared on 5/2/07|
We have no way of knowing whether God wants Osama free. What we do know is that it is God's will that he be saved.
---Helen_5378 on 5/2/07|
OBL is dead..he is dead till the resurrection day..if He has repented..confessed his sins then God will forgive Him..God said He is a forgiving God..so He will forgive if OBL has confessed of his sins...I pray that he has...
---jana on 5/2/07|
Honestly? How are we supposed to KNOW God's will for someone else's life? Why don't you ask God since it's His will your asking about. Why ask humans? We are not all-knowing and all-powerful. Please ask God.
---Donna9759 on 4/13/07|
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Before acting too presumptuous, how do you know Osama Bin Laden is alive today. He was in poor health when the CIA visited him in a SE Asian hospital in June of 2001. Some in the Arab world payed their last respects after his death in Dec 2001! I am sure you can mine this data out over google etc. with a little effort.
---Henry on 9/1/06|
if osama bin laden has taken a step to Christ before the end of the world, I will say yes..so if God be for osama bin larden, who can be against him. I dont like the guy, but if its God's will that he stay free, then be it..
---jana on 8/15/06|
It is God's will that Osama Bin Laden be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
---Helen_5378 on 7/24/06|
Mima, Donna, Suzie and Jack; Amen!
---Shari on 7/24/06|
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Donna9759 has a good point. I have a hard enough time trying to fin God's will for my own life without worrying about what someone else should do.
"If I want him to tarry till I come, what is that to you? YOU follow ME."
---Jack on 7/23/06|
If God wanted OBL caught by now, he would have been. God does not control every aspect of our lives. God is letting OBL go just so far. Hopefully, he will come to a knowledge of Jesus Christ before he dies.
---Susie on 7/21/06|