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Is A Sinners Prayer Sufficient

Does this scripture imply that a sinners prayer is sufficient unto salvation " lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."?

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I think the sinner's prayer is a way to publically confess one's faith but it not the only way to do so. What bothers me is some people imply that if you don't say it and/or do an altar call, then you aren't saved. That just isn't true as technically neither is even in the Bible.
---Kent on 7/15/09

Hi, Catherine . . . Isaiah 6:9-10.

Matthew 13:10-15 > here, I have included context verses, in which Jesus says, "it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given."

And Mark 4:11-12, instead of saying "Lest...that I should heal them," says, "Lest...their sins be forgiven them."

The criminal hanging next to Jesus admitted he deserved his crucifixion, and then asked Jesus to remember him. So, that "could" be a sinner's prayer. But that was not copy-catting what someone else coached him to say, and not just a doctrinal conversion thing. But in his prayer he was personally communicating and relating with Jesus.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/20/08

Noflaw, all have been choosen to receive the inheritance, hence missionaries. They are spreading the Word to the world, not to just certain individuals. "God sent His son that "whosoever" believes", it does'nt say that "so if the ones I have chosen believe" it says who ever.
---sean on 6/20/08

Conversion>>>is a genuine turning to God, which involves repentance, humility, a change of heart, and a sincere seeking after God Isa. 6:9-10, Jer. 24:7, {Two of my favorite books in the whole Bible}. It results in a new knowledge of God and of His purposes. You may find that in>>> Jer.24:7 and 2 Chron. 33:13....Would someone please tell me where the scripture is mentioned above "with their eyes and ears"... thank you.
---catherine on 6/20/08

Mima, many times I am mocked, ridiculed, persecuted, looked down upon, and face opposition, because I take God's Word literaly and as it is written.

When there is something I don't quite understand, I take the needed time to study words in their original language of Hebrew, and Greek. Yes this does take time and effort.

I do this because many times in scripture we are warned not to add, not to exclude, and not to change anything which is written.

If you can show anywhere in scripture, word for word, where a person is saved by saying a sinner's prayer, or asking Christ into their heart, I will believe it, and I will accept it.
---Rob on 6/19/08

Rob a little question here, considering the wording of this verse John 9:31,"Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a WORSHIPER of God, and doeth his WILL, him he heareth. " Is it possible to consider a person asking Jesus Christ to come into their heart and save them, doing God's will, and in fact worshiping in doing so? Give it some thought!!
Also remember John 6:37," All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Would be saying a sinners prayer the act of coming to God??
---Mima on 6/19/08

I have never come across any place in scripture which talks about a sinners prayer. The concept of a sinners prayer is in direct contradiction of what is written in `John 9:31.

However a person is saved by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ, John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:9-10.
---Rob on 6/17/08

Isn't Jesus so thankful here in John 17? So thankful for what God has given Him. Jesus doesn't want any of them to be taken away from Him.The disciples are those whom God chose to help Jesus spread the Gospel. These are not the only people God has chosen. The whole world has been chosen to receive salvation, hence missionaries, which are disciples also. Missionaries are spreading the Gospel throughout the world so that all may believe. which mean "all" have been chosen.
---sean on 6/17/08

This is a lie that started 500 years ago, but was not set as a standard until the last century. The sinners prayer is a lie from the pit of hell to be saved as well as once saved always saved. Read the book of Acts to see how people were converted. The WORD explains it. Acts 2:38.Also, in Matthew Jesus said "He that believes and is baptized will be saved. I feel sad for you if you feel that Jesus meant something else with theologies etc.,. DO not believe man this blog etc., only God.
---Praise_Yahshua on 6/15/08

Mike, God only chose some to son ship at the good pleasure of his will. And that determination was made prior to the creation of the would. In John 17:9 Christ does not pray for the world but only for those who God gave him, for they are his (Gods) dose that sound like universal salvation. God picked who he wanted at is own pleasure. God only predestined some for adoption into his family and to participate in that inheritance. Mike you my know how to read but your comprehension is exceptionally poor.
---notlaw99 on 6/11/08

Can anyone tell me where in scripture is the sinners prayer?
---Ken on 6/9/08

AMEN Lisa! Good for you.
---james on 6/7/08

I really dont know what a sinners prayer is?I have been taught the good news since I was very young. I have loved and believed in God and the work of Christ thru most of my life. All mankind is born in sin through Adam which I know, but through Christ we are made righteous. I have always believed this.
---calhoon on 6/7/08

Notlaw99: I dont get you predestination cats. Where in Eph 1, does it say that there are any non-elect? I am reading it as we speak. We are all predestined. Duh? If there were only a chosen elect, then there really is no hope for mankind, and certainly no reason to go into "all" the world. With your reasoning, why spread the Gospel at all? God will invite those whom he sees fit, and since he has not given us a guest list, he doesnt need us to do the inviting. C'mon dude, read the WHOLE book.
---mike on 6/6/08

Those who are resting their laurels on OSAS, eternal security, Calvinism - hyper, down to a crawl and everything inbetween, predestination, once chosen always frozen - may be in for a real awakening when their time comes.
---lisa on 6/6/08

All: A prayer of sorrow while voiced from the lips is read in the eyes as also the heart and since God alone forgives sin he already Knows, before you seek His forgiveness.Only a sinner knows the words.A general act of contrition is not a acceptable if not meant.Sorrow is a feeling not a word.
---Emcee:: on 6/6/08

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God doesn't want anyone to perish, but wants all to come unto Him and find that perfect rest in Him. We have a choice, I choose Him.
---Betty on 6/6/08

How silly! If man need not be adopted, he is already family and family need no invitation.
---Nana on 6/6/08

Salvation is much more than a sinners prayer. Many are called few are chosen. Power of the Blood saves you from everlasting fires of hell.
---catherine on 6/5/08

notlaw99: It is not the intent of God to have any person perish, but to have eternal life. The sinner's prayer, or any prayer for that matter, isn't just a good jesture, but the initial contact with God. Someone has to start somewhere and the first prayer is inviting Jesus into our hearts. The sinner's prayer is the answer to Jesus' knock.
---Steveng on 6/5/08

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The sinners prayer is nice gesture but unless God selected you to me a member of his preordained elect prior to the beginning of the world you will not be adopted into his family. Go read Ephesians Chapter 1 again. Salvation is by invitation only.
---notlaw99 on 6/5/08

Tina, there are those who think that they are Christians because, after an emotional sermon and going to the front of the church and being told to say a prayer that will save them, they do just that and now think that they are saved. Some will be, but unless they have understood what it was they needed saving from and what Christ did to save them many will not be saved. People who go forward to 'receive Christ' in a meeting of this nature usually need to be counselled, they need to listen and talk.
---M.P. on 6/5/08

#1God doesn't choose not to save a person who prayed the sinner's prayer just because they are not trully well-rooted and will fall away. Christian's need to understand, that even if a person is not as convicted as they need to be, they should be allowed and encouraged to pray the sinner's prayer. At that moment, just by confessing and believing, they will be saved. If they are not repentant, then they quickly lose that salvation...however they were saved just then (from hell).
---Okebaram on 5/27/07

#2...That's how faithful God is. The trick here however is this: once they make that confession, they allow (by their confession) the Holy Spirit more permission in their lives, and then He can work on them more effectively to bring them to true transformation. That's why sometimes you hear some people say: I said the sinner's prayer many times before I finally said it for real. After the first one, the Holy Spirit was able to arrest them until they finally surrendered.
---Okebaram on 5/27/07

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#3... This wouldn't necessarily be the case, but it is so many, many times more likely that an unrepentant person who decided to pray the sinner's prayer, would be completely saved if let that person pray than prayer than if you said: he shouldn't pray the sinner's prayer until he fully understands what he's saying and means it.
---Okebaram on 5/27/07

I feel the Prayer of Salvation more closely describes it but if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart, God raised Him from the dead , you will be saved(Rom 10:9). But it is only a beginning. We must continue on in that confession. We must be baptized,find a good bible teaching church to join. We will then begin to change and to be converted. It is a lifelong process. We grow little by little through the help of the Holy Spirit.
---Robyn on 5/27/07

I believe so. It sounds to me what I kinda experienced when I was saved. Again God initates the Sinners prayer, and all of the rest of that you referred to certainly plays a part. Remember, just saying words is no guarantee of Salvation, because the Person of the Holy SPIRIT is the one that is doing the calling,And the work. Amazing is it not.
---catherine on 5/27/07

I believe it is look at the the theif that asked Jesus to remember him when he went to His kingdom. Jesus told him surely today you will be with me in Paradise.
---Franc4938 on 5/27/07

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No one can say a prayer they do not feel in their hearts every minute of every day. Many are called, but few are chosen. If you truly love Jesus Christ, you abide by all his teachings. You live your life in harmony with Him. You search for truth and do not give heed to false doctrines designed to deceive many. you live every moment so if Jesus were standing beside you, you are not ashamed of your actions or words. only by living by example are we true disciples of Jesus Christ and are converted to him.
---ashley on 5/27/07

Salvation is a lifestyle choice that should affect your entire being. If it does not do that, then a "sinner's prayer" becomes nothing more than a magical mantra with no more power than wishing on a star.

Read the whole Bible, especially the New Testament. We entered into a covenant with God through His Son Jesus, just as the Jews did before in the Old Testament.
---lorra8574 on 5/26/07

Read John 14:15-24 and Matthew 25. We do not earn our salvation, but it is important to remember that we are part of a covenant, and a covenant requires action from both parties - Jesus died for us, we have a part to play too and a magical statement is not it. And those who think this prayer "saves" is applying magical properties to it that do not exist. Faith in Jesus is what saves, not a one-time statement that may be forgotten in a few years.
---lorra8574 on 5/26/07

This is a tricky question. It is enough, as scripture says, to call on the name of the Lord from the heart to save you. The New Testament pattern of people getting saved is a basic pattern of realizing they are sinful and spiritually bankrupt on their own, and that they need the Lord. It seems that not everyone in the New Testament understood why the Lord died for them right away, especially in the gospels before Jesus died. God purposely kept this knowledge limited before the cross actually took place.
---jim on 5/26/07

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That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

A sinners prayer does not save you. To many times people are drug to the alter and told to pray a sinners prayer to get saved. There is no sinners prayer in the verse above.
---Rev_Herb on 4/28/07

(3).. [Isaiah 46:10,11] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and "I WILL" DO ALL MY PLEASURE: [11] Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, "I WILL" also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, "I WILL" also do it.
---Billy on 8/24/06

(2).. Your free will has a hard time believing that Gods will will be done, which says, it's GODS WILL that none should perish, but all should come to repentance. your free will says that this can't happen because God won't force a man to be saved. Will Gods counsel stand, will his word come back to Him void? So if God had said that it was his will that none should perish, then none will perish!!
---Billy on 8/24/06

How does your free will interpret this scripture? You say that God deals with mens hearts, but would you say that God prepares a mans heart?
Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
---Billy on 8/24/06

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God will call many to do things in his name. but some of them refuse this calling and reject God. That is their choice. God only deals with one's heart for so long, and if they continue to refuse him he will turn them over to a reprobate mind. God convicts the heart but it is up to that person to make that decision. Jn 6:44.
---Rebecca_D on 8/23/06

When you say things like "The Holy Spirit was dealing with this person and the person in their own free will, refused" You are saying that this persons free will is stronger than Christ will. Christ will is that He came to be the saviour of the world, and your saying that He will fail in His mission to save the world. Jesus will save every last person that has ever lived on this earth!!! Please just comment on the scriptures that I gave..
---Billy on 8/22/06

Shira, yes God does predestin some to wrath, vessels of wrath fitted for destruction "Rom 9:18-23". Why don't you comment on the scriptures I use instead of giving me an opinion. I wan't to see it in the scriptures!! What about Rom 9:11?? Comment on that scripture and show me where mans free will sways Gods purpose, or sways Gods will in our lives.
---Billy on 8/22/06

No, our free will isn't stronger than Gods. God predestined us before the foundations of the world. He made a way for ALL to be saved, but some refuse and that is our free will. I have watched some being dealt with by a Holy God and turn and walk away. Did God predestine him to turn and walk away? The Holy Spirit was dealing with this person and the person in their own free will, refused. God sent His Son to die for ALL.
---shira on 8/22/06

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I think that this scripture sums it up..
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE, which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN,
---Billy on 8/20/06

(8).. Shira, you said, "Every person has the ability to know God and bbelieve on His name". What you say here cannot be found in the scriptures. This goes against the Bible, God made us a weak and corruptible vessel, that cannot find it's way without the leading of Gods hand.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Pro. 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
---Billy on 8/19/06

(7).. Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
---Billy on 8/19/06

(6).. Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
---Billy on 8/19/06

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(5).. What your saying is that we according to our free will choice, can choose to follow Gods word and be very good christians, and no matter if I was predestened to be other wise my will can change Gods will. I don't think so. To say other wise would say that there is unrighteousness with God. So again what do the scriptures say
---Billy on 8/19/06

(4).. Shira, This is what the scriptures say.

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
---Billy on 8/19/06

(3).. You are trying to say that mans free will is stronger than Gods plan for you that He has predestened you to walk in. Could Jacob have been anything other than what God had predestened him to be? Could Esau have overthrown Gods plan and said I want to be the chosen one? Could Esau have done anything good enough to change the plan of God? I don't think so.
---Billy on 8/19/06

(2).. According to your theory Jesus would be able to change God's predestened plan and then Jesus would no longer be the Lamb of God. Is Jesus the predestened Lamb of God that was slain before the foundation of the world or wasn't He. If God has chosen you for a purpose of being Gods elect, or for the purpose of being a vessel of wrath fitted for destruction, how can we will to be otherwise.
---Billy on 8/19/06

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Shira, You us the term predestened lightly. Was not Christ predestened to be the Lamb that was slan before the foundation of the world? We do know that Jesus had a will, He prayed in the garden, not my will, but thy will be done. What if Jesus had went along with His will and didn't drink from the cup that his Father had placed before Him.
---Billy on 8/19/06

cont...3...God also chooses many to do certain things in this life for him..preachers, teachers, singers, planters, sowers, reapers but many don't heed the call.
Every person has the ability to know God and bbelieve on His name. That is why our missionaries are so valuable and we should support them. I am thankful I was born in America to Godly parents that carried me to church so I could be saved thru the foolishness of preaching.
---shira on 8/19/06

cont..2..Some would like us to think we don't have a free will. We can choose Christ or the devil. The many are called but few are chosen don't explain anything. God calls many but many don't choose God. We are predestened before the foundation of the world in simple in context. God predestened us (for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.) all to repentance. cont...
---shira on 8/19/06

Donna, you are absolutely correct. I have had a problem with "sinners prayer" for many years. Some would say "at least one or two may get saved". But I say, wouldn't it be interesting to know how many went to hell because they "thought" they were saved. The devil wants the unsaved to think they are saved. Our churches are full of them. The devil wants the saved to think they are unsaved so their life won't be a light on a hill testimony. cont....
---shira on 8/19/06

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The sinner's prayer that I am familiar with is the one exhalted by Jesus Himself in Luke 18:13: "God be merciful to me a sinner." That short prayer is entirely sufficient for salvation.
---jerry6593 on 8/19/06

>>However, I've seen "sinner's prayers" that say nothing about sin, having offended God, or needing a Savior<<

There's no salvation in this, either.
---Donna2277 on 8/18/06

**A person instructed to say the sinners prayer, with insufficient explanation may not understand what they're praying..there's no salvation in that.**

This way lies gnosticism.

However, I've seen "sinner's prayers" that say nothing about sin, having offended God, or needing a Savior.
---Jack on 8/18/06

Billy--I'm not debating, just clarifying. A person instructed to say the sinners prayer, with insufficient explanation may not understand what they're praying..there's no salvation in that. Other people may "say" the prayer to get rid of an unwelcome "personal evangelist". But I would hate for someone who has believed the Gospel, and truly repented, to worry that they may not be one of God's "elect", after all. Thus my comment that such a one WAS drawn by the Spirit.
---Donna2277 on 8/18/06

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(6).. Donna2277, Mans free will is just a figment of his imagination, a fary tell in his deepest thoughts. Man want's to believe that he has just a little bit of control as to where he will spend eternity. But it's not in our control, only God controls our destiny !!!
---Billy on 8/18/06

(5).. Donna2277, I didn't make the rules here, God did. Do we think that we can change Gods mind to make us one of His elect if were not His elect?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, WHO ART THOU THAT REPLIEST AGAINST GOD? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
---Billy on 8/18/06

(4).. Donna2277, you quoted "Would God ever hear a sinner pray for forgiveness in Jesus name, only to say "Sorry, you're not one of my elect"?"

Matt 7:21-22 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
---Billy on 8/18/06

(3).. Donna2277, If these people are blinded because of Christ, then how can the sinners prayer save them. It's hard to believe that there are people that God has for ordained to condemnation.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, WHO WERE BEFORE OF OLD ORDAINED TO THIS CONDEMNATION, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
---Billy on 8/18/06

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(2).. Donna2277, that is why I answered the question to this blog. "Blog Question" Does this scripture imply that a sinners prayer is sufficient unto salvation " lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."? The answer is NO !
---Billy on 8/18/06

(1).. Donna2277, Of course if a sinner sees his sins and God moves him to prpentance it's God's spirit drawing them, but there is another spirit working here. Most of the orthodox christian church is teaching that just a ten second sinners prayer is all you need to get saved, and this is what has brought others that Gods spirit isn't drawing, to unsincerly repent and say the sinners prayer, and then they think that they have a shoe in for the first ressurrection.
---Billy on 8/18/06

Billy, If a person is NOT being drawn by the Holy Spirit, why would they WANT to say the sinners prayer? Isn't it safe to say that a person who sees his sin and repents of it, asking Jesus to take take control of his life (i.e. the sinners prayer) IS drawn by the spirit? Would God ever hear a sinner pray for forgiveness in Jesus name, only to say "Sorry, you're not one of my elect"?
---Donna2277 on 8/18/06

(6).. Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
It's not of our own free will choice, but that the purpose of God according to election might stand
---Billy on 8/17/06

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(5).. Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
---Billy on 8/17/06

(4).. Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
[19] Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
[20] Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
---Billy on 8/17/06

(3).. I know what you must be thinking, how could God do such a thing, choose some and not choose others, this would be respect of persons. But if this is the way God does things who are we to speak against God. God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He wills He hardens.
---Billy on 8/17/06

(2).. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
---Billy on 8/17/06

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(1).. No the sinners prayer is not sufficient for salvation in this case. If you don't have eyes to see, and ears to hear, you can't be converted. If the the spirit isn't drowing you to Him, it's impossible for you to get saved. Is it our choice or is it God's sovereign choice to save us?
---Billy on 8/17/06

Tina--I just now noticed your question to me. There is no continuum for humility or sincerity, since nobody but God can truly measure these. (I could have said contrite, ernest, etc.). The point is that just repeating a prayer is not all there is to it. Were you asking how I, myself, know that I was "humble" or "sincere" enough? Well, in few words, I actually understood that Jesus paid for my sins and He became very much alive and personal to me..and has been for many years.
---Donna2277 on 7/27/06

Ryan, you are correct, in the account you give. Fruits are the results of someone saved. It is not by his works though, but by the Spirit in us, conforming us to Christ, with convictions and teaching us through revelation God's Word. Otherwise the person can do nothing without Christ. Even if he showed good actions, does not mean he is saved. Elder explains it very well in his statement. The confession of the mouth is after the heart is changed.
---Lupe2618 on 7/27/06

When people decide to give their life to Christ and get Saved when does it happen?
Does it happen when they get to the alter and complete a prayer or when they decide to Repent and Accept Christ.
People get Saved when their heart changes, Rom 10:9. The confession of the mouth is made because the heart has changed.
Many play the "game" and never get Saved, no matter how much prayer was said, because there has not been any repentance or change of heart. Hope none of us are one of them.
---Elder on 7/27/06

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3. I do not wish to use the word sincere anymore because it had thrown this question totally away from the subject. My point is that too many people are encouraged to say a sinners prayer of some description before they are ready to do so, at a time when they do not even have the understanding of what a sinner actually is. If this does not clarify what I said I'm sorry but for me this is where I END the debate.
---M.P. on 7/27/06

2. Absolutely NOT, and I cannot fathom why you think Ive suggested that. I am saying that a person cannot be sincere in saying a prayer that they do not actually understand. Until someone completely accepts what sin means and that they are actually a sinner (not 'I sometimes make mistakes' or 'I've never murdered anyone' etc.) they do not understand what they have to repent of.
---M.P. on 7/27/06

Tina, 'You are still suggesting that saying a prayer is what saves.' Actually I would never suggest such a thing because it is not so, (I am actually saying just the opposite) it is God who saves. 'no human being is ever absolutely free from sin in this life.' Agreed, it is the punishment for them that we are free from. 'You are also making God out to be some sort of tyrant.'
---M.P. on 7/27/06

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