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Is Secular Music Okay

Is listening to some secular music that is not vulgar okay?

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 ---ellis on 7/23/06
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Secular music is probably okey as long as it will not remove thoughts from God or provoke unproper feelings.

We are, knowingly or not, influenced by words we hear, especially when we're "passive", as when we listen to music (we seldom analyze what the singer tells us...)

But it's also wellknown that the music itself (the rhytm etc) will influence us. Professionals use this knowledge to create certain feelings (excitement, joy, sadness, fear, devotion...) in the crowd. Some will call it manipulation, and I think they're right.

So even if the lyrics are "christian", the music may be manipulative... so perhaps it's best to avoid some of the "modern christian music" too?
---emmy on 9/11/10

i don't think there's anything wrong with listening to secular music PROVIDED it doesn't contain vulgar lyrics.i'm a believer and listening to good secular music occassionally has not hindered me spiritually
---chizoba on 9/10/10

I think some secular music is ok. Some of the gospel rock, gospel rap,contemporary, gospel music is not all that holy these days. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide. That's what "He", yes I said "He" ,be your guide. If you feel bad,agitated or feel as if you are doing something unholy or ungodly--cut it off! Quickly! And, don't go putting others down if they listen at this same music. You have to be persuaded in your own mind as to what is right for you. And "you" is the key word-here. What is right for one person,may be wrong,for another. Read Romans chapter 14, for starters. Blessings
---Robyn on 7/8/10

I love Broadway Musicals..." sunrise, sunset, (repeat),swiftly fly the years..."
" Is this the little girl I carried? Is the the little boy at play? I don't remember getting older. When did they?"

Not "Godly" perhaps, but wholesome and heart-warming,...universally understandable. I don't get "rock". or "heavy metal" They don't appeal to me, And if there are lyrics I can't understand a word. "Christian Rock" strikes me the same way...but it seems to inspire kids.
The works of Beethoven and others have a reason for being called "classics". To me, they magnify God with their beauty and skillful performance.
Maybe "Godly" is in the ear of the believer.
---Donna66 on 6/2/10

I agree that Jesus Saves' use of the word "overly" is dangerous. What does overly mean?

The tiniest bit anti-Christian, or sexual, or vulgar makes it unsuitable.

I wonder though about Elder's comment "Anything that does not glorify the Lord profanes Him"

Would that mean that we should not read recipe books, or listen to a Beethoven symphony because they are not specifically Christian. I don't think that that is what Elder is saying. (although there are those few who would say that it is wrong to read anything that is in anyway secular)
We would not say that we should not read recipe books because they are not specifically Christian ... can we exclude t
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/2/10

"yes, its absolutley fine, i listen mostly to classic rock. i think its fine as long as the lyrics arent overly profane, vulgar, sexual, or anti-christian"
---Jesus_saves on 5/29/10
Watch it, your attidute is showing. What does overly profane, vulgar and so on mean?
Are you saying that to be involved with a little of some of these things is OK? As Gomer Pile would say, "Surprize, surprize, surprize, that ain't right."
Anything that does not glorify the Lord profanes Him. You are listening and involved in too much trash.
---Elder on 6/2/10

yes, its absolutley fine, i listen mostly to classic rock. i think its fine as long as the lyrics arent overly profane, vulgar, sexual, or anti-christian
---Jesus_saves on 5/29/10

I would actually encourage Christians to listen to it (to some degree) if for no other reason than to understand the culture around us when we preach the Gospel to them. I like to catch non-christians off guard by telling them it's time to "break on thru, to the other side". It helps break the ice for a discussion about turning to Christ.
---Greyrider on 1/4/08

To me the whole concept of secular/sacred is moronic. It either uplifts God, or cuases the hearer to do so, or it does not. Growing up in a musical family, mother classical, father jazz, having been encouraged to explore different styles etc. music does just that, puts you closer to God, or not. Alot of music is nature inspired, often pop music words can go either way. Whatsoever things are pure, true, etc.
---dan on 1/3/08

There is no such thing as "christian music" only Christian lyrics. Music is music, notes played together to form something beautiful. Where it gets messed up is the lyrics. Nothing wrong with Classical, Jazz, etc.
---Will on 1/3/08

Its ok as long as its not vulgar. I love music of any kind, its a gift God gave those that make it. Funny thing, even in secular music if you listen with God's ears, you can hear Him. I listen to rock mostly & even there I hear Him, its great. Recently, I found a Christian rock/pop and a Latin Christian music station & now I mostly listen to them. Its not that I stop liking secular music, but the Spirit in me now yearns for that uplifting, full of praise and glory kind of music, its great!
---LaLupe on 1/3/08

Yeah but it is not as edifying and uplifting as Christian music. Once you have really tasted Jesus, why would you want to listen to what the world has to offer.
---ralph on 1/3/08

Some secular music, I'm sure it's OK - I would not go so far as to say ALL non-vulgar, but quite many songs
---Peter_Peter_5448 on 8/18/06

Helen; My wife likes country music, and Lyle Lovett's music a lot, she says he is no sex symbol. Listening to country music makes me feel- if anything patriotic. I have a CD collection of country musians doing gospel songs. As love between man and a woman is counted a sacred. Country music make me want to buy roses for my wife and dance real slow with her, its the only thing that makes me feel romantic towards her, Yes, it makes me do things strange like that.
---MikeM on 8/17/06

Helen ...# 2 But since you have now talked about "everything", can we revert to my question you refused to consider earlier, about things other than music?
Do you read newspapers, or non-Christian books? Do you ever look at works of art, admire a building, or enjoy a countryside view, or eat a nice meal?
Those do not specifically glorify the Lord, so are they too to be avoided?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/17/06

Helen ...# 1 "we should glorify the Lord in everything and that includes listening to praise and worship music that draws us into His presence"
You still don't answer my questions about music, but you do seem to be saying that it is sinful to listen to Beethoven, or Mozart, or anything except worship songs. You haven't explained what is wrong with thoat classical music, but I understand you fel we should avoid it
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/17/06

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Helen; You said that if you listened to country music it would make you do things you regret? Sounds like the problem lies within you instead of the music. And your just blaming the music. Who is in control you or the music? If you let the music control you and make you do things you shouldn't do, that is your fault, not the music. Again to you it is wrong, to others such as myself, it isn't wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 8/16/06

Alan 8869 - Yes you did ask with appropriate courtesy, but the problem is that you have your stand and you know what my stand is. I believe that as Christians we are bought with a price and we should glorify the Lord in everything and that includes listening to praise and worship music that draws us into His presence.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06

I still think when a person has such a talent to play beautiful music it is a gift from God. Music makes me relax.
---sue on 8/16/06

Helen, you have stated your stand, but I am sorry that you felt unable to answer my question, which I believe I asked with appropriate courtesy.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/16/06

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Shira - That is exactly right.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06

MikeM - You are either glorifying country, or you are glorifying God, but not both at the same time. As I've said before country music would now get me doing things that I would regret. The guys you mention are sex symbols.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06

I do believe what Helen is trying to convey is we should be doing everything we can to get people saved because surely we are very close to the end. Christians should not be wasting time listning to ungodly music, going to ungodly movies. There is too much work to do and fields are white with harvest. We are wasting time on the devil and his antics.
---shira on 8/16/06

Handel's Messiah is ungodly? Verdi wrote great music, yet he was a vile man. My country music, southern rock is very conservative. I believe Charlie Danials is an evangical, as is Randy Travis and Travis Tritt. I see nothing unholy in their music, they glorify country and God in much of their lyrics. Some seem to spend their time time looking for the devil in every lyric, or under every rock.
---MikeM on 8/16/06

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Alan 8869ofUK - You have read a number of times my stand on this issue, so there is no need for me to repeat myself.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06

** alan i wont say classical music is wrong. but maybe it is. God is SO HOLY that we're to give glory and honor to Him in ALL things.**

In my opinion, God gets more glory from a Beethoven sonata or Bach partita than the musical pap and theological junk food called CCM.
---Jack on 8/15/06

alan i wont say classical music is wrong. but maybe it is. God is SO HOLY that we're to give glory and honor to Him in ALL things. if I'm wrong on this I pray the Lord will show me. and all others too. you read my stance on the issue.
---r.w. on 8/15/06

Helen ... perhaps the country music I have heard is not the same as that you listtened to!!! I must say, what I have heard does not tempt me to do anything wrong.
But what about Beethoven, and keeping the "country" theme, do you think that listening to his Pastoral Symphony is wrong?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/15/06

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Alan 8869ofUK - Before I got saved, country music was my absolute favourite. Believe me, you listen to that and you will find yourself doing things you wish you had not done.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/06

I can understand that there can be concern about rock music, because of the rhythms, and sometimes the words.
But country music ... eading someone away from the straight & narrow path? Some of it is a bit earthy, but none offensively so. And a lot is not even earthy. Wht's wrong with it? What about "Songs"?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06

R.W. There is plenty of music that neither is specifically Christian, nor promotes drinking and fornication. The questioner particularly asked about "secular music that is not vulgar" Why should we not listen to that? What is wrong with a Strauss waltz, or a Beehoven symphony?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06

Rebecca D - I was just reading your response again. You are wrong. Jesus Christ spilled His Life's Blood on the Cross for you, and you think there is nothing wrong with country and rock music. Where is your heart really at?
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/06

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Helen ... you rejection of any music that is not specifically Christian inevitably leads us back to the issue of other matters, such as books, or indeed any reading matter, or visual art.
But staying with music, can you please explain why a Beethoven symphony is evil?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06

Rebecca D - Call it what you want but the path to heaven is narrow. The broad path which is of the flesh will surely lead you down to the pits of hell.
---Helen_5378 on 8/13/06

Rebecca D - It is not about being an old fuddy duddy, it is about "be holy for I the Lord your God am holy". You sure are hanging on to the world -- witchcraft shows and worldly music. What's next for you
---Helen_5378 on 8/13/06

we're still called to be holy in all willfully listen to music that promotes drinking and fornication, like i used to listen too, is to put Jesus back on that Cross and give him a few slaps in the face yourself. might as well run around with nothing but a bra on-He shouldnt mind that either. Should He? God isnt some santa clause up in the clouds. HE'S HOLY help me Lord to realize this fact each day.
---r.w. on 8/13/06

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rebecca-you say you asked God for guidence in this?God's answer is helen's Biblical response to this sin soaked nation.
Isa 5:20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil,that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! you folks are breaking the 2nd of the 10 Commandments by creating a god to suit your wants needs and desires. Your god doesnt mind you listening to rock and country cause your god doesnt exist. a figment of your imagination.
---r.w. on 8/13/06

Helen; How old are you? so a person is supposed to be an ole fuddy duddy? Be boring, don't know how to have fun. Christians can have good and decent fun. I listen to country and some old rock songs from the 1980's and I asked God a while back if it was wrong for me to listen to this for him to show or tell me. He hasn't so therefore to me it isn't wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 8/10/06

Alan8869ofUK - By ungodly music I mean anything and everything that is of the world, i.e. not Christian music. Even a lot of the so-called Christian music should not be listened to either. Some of it is outright evil. You need to ask the Lord to give you discernment in this matter. Bless you.
---Helen_5378 on 8/9/06

Helen ... if you dare me to listen to God, may I dare you to have the courage please to answer my questions?
What do you mean by ungodly music? Do you mean music which contains anti-God concepts or words, or just music that is not specifically directed towards God?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/9/06

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What should I do? I live in a country that has a secular national anthem. Woe betide me! :)
---Benny on 8/9/06

Alan -- we are talking about music only. Ungodly music should not be listened to. If you are truly born-again you have the Spirit of God in you to lead you into all truth and He is not going to lead you to listen to anything that is not of God. Ask the Lord to show you if you dare and see what happens. Bless you.
---Helen_5378 on 8/8/06

Helen ... Is a Mozart symphony "ungodly" just because it does not have Christian words? Is the Bruckner "Te Deum" ungodly because although dedicated to the Glory of God, it was written by a Roman Catholic?
What makes music "ungodly"
What makes books ungodly?
What indeed make buildings ungodly?
Or food?
Or other things that we enjoy, such as holidays, or sport?
Is watching baseball ungodly? If not why should listening to secular music be ungodly?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/8/06

No it is not okay to listen to secular music unless you are not a Christian. The Holy Spirit will not lead us to listen to ungodly music. But then the flesh in some will scream to have it's way.
---Helen_5378 on 8/8/06

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I agree with Rebecca, plus the Holy Spirit would never suffer trash to enter the ears of one He is indwelling, and is sure to direct us appropriately when this happens.
---Benny on 8/8/06

Ellis; The problem on here is "balance" If you row a boat with one oar you're just going in circles! With mucic,sports,entertainment etc.. The secret is balance!
---1st_cliff on 7/29/06

Just because a person feels this is wrong, or God told or showed them it is wrong, doesn't give them the right telling others it is wrong, just because God showed or told them. I don't think it is wrong to listen to Country music. If it were wrong then I believe God would show me or tell me if it were. Now the heavy metal music, I could understand it being wrong on the count of the vogar lyrics.
---Rebecca_D on 7/28/06

God said youre either for Him or against Him--applies to your music as well
---r.w. on 7/27/06

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Beethoven was a nominal Roman Catholic. (I was a music major.)
---Jack on 7/26/06

Let me add something to Ellis' question: WHERE or WHEN? I happen to believe music can make an otherwise boring if not lousy work environment be a bit better. But if you work with atheits or cultists, do you think they'd ever allow Gospel songs unanimously? One place turned into a 'war of radio stations' and bigger speakers. So it's great to have some nice music we all like (often with no words) that can encourage all workers.
---danie9374 on 7/26/06

Ellis, I'd say that all depends upon the music. There is some so-called 'music' with no words at all (is 'volume' also a factor?) that doesn't seem uplifting and encouraging to anyone! Christopher Parkening, who studied under Andre Segovia and plays classical guitar is a Christian. You could ask him if he's ever turned-down an appearance he thought was somehow against his beliefs.
---danie9374 on 7/26/06

Donna ... Well musically we agree!!! About the melodies (are they? and doctrine of some of the modern songs & the repetition!!
Bach was a protestant, Beethoven also I think, Bruckner a Catholic, and Mahler a converted (for convenience?) Jew. Brahms, whose music has been mentioned here, was an agnostic. Vaughan Williams who wrote magnificent hymn tunes was an atheist!
How confusing for those who delve into things and try to justify or condemn everything we do!
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/26/06

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i felt love songs can be offered to GOd like michael bolton once ina lifetime and now that i found you i once played chariots of fire for God and he answered i condemned the nations but not the wealth of the nations back and i wanted to start offering love songs love songs are great and a good thing to believe in sometimes church worship isnt really that good i wanted to just work on my own piano music
---stacy_hauth on 7/25/06

"music is a gift...enjoy it!"

Amen. :)

One of my favorite songs by a secular artist goes...

"I heard there was a secret chord
That David played and it pleased the Lord..."

So beautiful.
---augusta on 7/25/06

Think about this secular music hightens the viewers experience when watching a movie like star wars, cars or sound of music. Without being "churchy", if any song christian or secular, rock or classic song grieves you or the holy spirit in anyway I do not suggest listening to it. If you are singled listen to clean love ballads i feel this is not good because it gets your mind wondering, however if you were married listening to clean love ballads would help improve your oneness.
---Shannon on 7/25/06

helen -

that is such an extreme is a gift...enjoy it!

teach love
---frank_cos on 7/25/06

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Exactly right, Alan of UK... also sometimes communicating just plain bad doctrine. The melodies are nothing great either..after a while they all begin to sound the same to me. (Maybe they ARE all the same.. after 15 repetitions, it's hard to tell. :>) )
Handel was a Christian. And I believe the "Messiah" was truly inspired. Few people know hymns any more, which is a shame.Many are so rich in meaning with good music that can be sung in harmony.
---Donna2277 on 7/25/06

It depends on the person, Me personally i like to listen to oldies, and rythmn and blues, But I don't listen to vulgar, and demeaning music, Pray for guidance
---tonya3849 on 7/25/06

Helen what do you think 'come out from among them and be separate' actually means?
---M.P. on 7/25/06

I find much of modern "worship song" to be insipid or self-righteous or self-centred, or exclusive.
I find that a symphony by Beethoven, or Bruckner, or even Mahler, and of course Bach's passions, Stainer's Crucifiction, Handel's Messiah or Haydn's Creation bring me much closer to God.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/25/06

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Some of the music that is passed off as Christian is more secular than secular music. The words are screamed or mumbled so that no one has learned anything from them. The actions of the singer/s are so worldly and provocative that you might as well go to see a rock band. What one person means by secular and Christian is not what another person means. We need to be individually very discerning on this.
---emg on 7/25/06

As much as some secular music sounds good and soothes your heart,i still think its wrong to listen to it,the bible says 'come out from among them (non christians) and be ye pure',there are alot of christian musicians who sing wonderful and soothing songs,listen to them.
---mwansa on 7/25/06

ohh good one helen that hits it out the ballpark
---rw on 7/24/06

3) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (Romans 8:5-6)
I have found that the closer I get to God, the less appealing secular music is to me.
---Tbabe on 7/24/06

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2) Many "secular" music artists are led by evil spirits in the composing their songs, even without vulgarity, there may be ungodly innuendos in the lyrics. (Personally, I am more aquainted with the rock and roll genre).
Music is a powerful tool, and may be used for good or evil and the devil knows how to use it to seduce people away from God.
---Tbabe on 7/24/06

1) All things are lawful to me, but not all things profit. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. (1 Corinthians 6:12). Also read 1 Corinthians 6:13-20. This scripture applies to secular (carnal) things. However, we must be careful to discern the "spirit" of the music...........
---Tbabe on 7/24/06

I listen to some country and some old rock songs from the 80's. If it convicts the heart then it is wrong to you, if not then don't worry about it. I mostly listen to Southern gospel to sing at my church and worship songs to do sign language to.
---Rebecca_D on 7/24/06

Jack, I concur with your response.
---Annie on 7/24/06

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I dont think Jesus would be mad if I listen to music. It makes me happy. Even if it doesn't mention God in the lyrics sometimes. Music is a gift from God imho.
---sue on 7/24/06

Helen ... do you avoid secular food, & secular newspapers, & secular books? Is the water you drink from a holy pool?
What is wrong with secular music? (I know that some is wrong, with bad words and ideas, but some, without having Christian words, or a spcific Christian theme, is still heavenly)
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/24/06

Christians are commanded to come out from among them and be separate, so it is not ok to listen to secular music.
---Helen_5378 on 7/24/06

Sure. There is a lot of good secular music (not vulgar). Some of the so-called Christian music today (not vulgar) is also not music, in my ears.
---Donna2277 on 7/24/06

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yes, there is secular music that is okay.
---Madison1101 on 7/23/06

Frankly, I find more reverence and spirituality in a Beethoven sonota or Bach partita than in all the ditties sung on every Christian radio station in the world.

Do you want to touch heaven? Listen to a good performance of Brahms's EIN DEUTCHES REQUIEM in any language or his Four Serious Songs (all based on Biblical texts).
---Jack on 7/23/06

Ralph ... It does depend on the individual.
I can get closer to God listening to great symphonic works, or sitting watching waves crash against rocks, than I can get by listening to some "Christian Worship Songs"
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/23/06

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