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Purpose Of The New Earth

If heaven is man's ultimate goal, what is the purpose of the "new earth"?

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the 1st mistake in this ? is: Everyone will go to Heaven(the Great White Throne of Judgment), Getting to stay is the problem! We are only going to live in Heaven During the Marriage Supper(7yrs.Earth time).God, Jesus & Man/Woman will live on Earth, Millions of us will live in the New Jerusalem that shall descend from Heaven after the 1000 yr. reign of Jesus.
---Duane_M on 1/17/08

The earth must be redeemed from the curse that it's been under for some 6,000 years. The new earth will be a earth without the curse, it will cleansed by God making it fit for Jesus to reign here for 1,000 years, what a glorious time that will be!
---Mrs._Morgan on 1/16/08

"Kay, you are confusing the battle of Armageddon with the Lord's last judgement upon the earth."

Okebaram, how so?
---Kay on 11/5/06

Kay, you are confusing the battle of Armageddon with the Lord's last judgement upon the earth.
---Okebaram on 11/5/06

"Kay, Rev 17:17.. This is talking about humans submitting to the beast."

Okebaram, yes, I know. My point was that God does use us to accomplish His will.
---Kay on 11/3/06

"Every eye will see and know that it has come from the Lord, and will be greatly dismayed. How can that be if they were the ones to execute His judgement?"
Read Rev 19:11-21 & 20:7-9.
"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."- 16:16
"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."-16:14
---Kay on 11/3/06

Kay, Rev 17:17 "17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled." This is talking about humans submitting to the beast.
---Okebaram on 11/2/06

#2Kay, Obviously very much of what God does in this era is done via through human hands, or confined by human hands. But the purpose of destroying this earth and creating a new one is to eliminate this system that is dominated by human power. When judgement comes, it will come upon all left on earth. Every eye will see and know that it has come from the Lord, and will be greatly dismayed. How can that be if they were the ones to execute His judgement?
---Okebaram on 11/2/06

Okebaram, but according to Rev 19:11-21, the world war that will happen during the end-time is AFTER the 2nd Coming of Christ. So human hands will take part in Jesus' plan to destroy this earth. It says in Rev 17:17 that God will use mankind to accomplish His will.
---Kay on 11/2/06

Kay, more, specifically, when Christ returns and brings an end to this world, so as to create the new one, He will NOT destroy this earth by human hands, human wars, nuclear bombs or anything that relies on the rules of physics or the affairs of man--or even of angels!
---Okebaram on 11/1/06

"Kay, God will NOT share His glory with man!!"

Okebaram, can you be more specific? Exactly which one of my statements are you commenting on? And can you supply scripture to support your claim? Thanks.
---Kay on 10/31/06

Kay, God will NOT share His glory with man!!
---Okebaram on 10/30/06

"I believe in my heart that you are totally correct in your answer."

Thanks. You're so kind.
---Kay on 10/28/06

Kathr4453, Revelation 17:17 says "For God hath put in the hearts to fulfill his will, and to be of one mind, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

God uses mankind to accomplish His will.
---Kay on 10/28/06

Kay, I believe as you do about God using anything He so pleases to accomplish what He purposes. He has all through Scripture. Using even Satan in many cases to fulfill His purposes. All man spoken of in Scripture have done something for Him. No one knows for sure how it will end exactly. Anyone that says they do, is really saying they have the mind of God to know the future. We can tell about past events because they have happened already.
---lisa on 10/28/06

2. Scripture was written by people in a different time. Objects and things they used when writing were things they used to write about only because that is what they knew at the time they wrote. They never heard of a flying soucer, or rockets or tanks. Specifics is not what matters, but the point the writer is trying to convey to the reader by his writings. I believe in my heart that you are totally correct in your answer.
---lisa on 10/28/06

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Doesn't Revelations say that man will be judged for destroying the earth.

Revelation 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
God's judgement and man destroying the earth are two different things.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/06

Kay, no, I am denying that the war of man with his military weapons is not the instruments that will be used to burn up this world, instead it will be God's very own fire from heaven.
---Eloy on 10/27/06

I sometimes wonder if the wars on here are indicative of a failure to be reconciled not only to God but to one another. Just before the Revelation (the unveiling, the showing up) of Jesus Christ, you have the book of Jude that talks about clouds without water and spots in your love feasts. God is better felt than telt.
---Linda6563 on 10/27/06

"Kay, God did not use manmade weapons in Noah's flood, nor in Sodom and Amorah,"
Thats right.
"and he tells us likewise how he is going to burn up the world written in the Scriptures, so I rely on his word rather than man's imaginations."
So are you denying the fact that Revelation speaks of a world war prior to the end of this world?
---Kay on 10/27/06

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The entire point is that God is going to destroy the earth with fire. The Bible never says that man-made weapons and bombs won't be included in the destruction. God refers to Sodom and Gomorrah as examples just as He used Jonah in the belly of the fish as an example of Christs death and resurrection. Examples aren't necessarily exacts.
---Kay on 10/27/06

Kay, God did not use manmade weapons in Noah's flood, nor in Sodom and Amorah, and he tells us likewise how he is going to burn up the world written in the Scriptures, so I rely on his word rather than man's imaginations.
---Eloy on 10/26/06

" because God is an all-consuming fire."

This doesn't mean that God is a literal fire. But I'm sure you already know this. "Fire" in the Bible usually symbolizes judgement.
---Kay on 10/26/06

"God's fire does not come from man, it never has and it never will, but it comes from God in heaven."

Are you saying that God COULD NEVER use man-made weapons to help fulfill the destruction of this Earth? Are you denying the fact that the Bible speaks of a major world war prior to the end.

"He alone creates hell, the lake of fire and brimstone which burns for all eternity."

What does the fires of Hell have to do with the end-time world war that I was speaking of?
---Kay on 10/26/06

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kay, because God is an all-consuming fire. God's fire does not come from man, it never has and it never will, but it comes from God in heaven. He alone creates hell, the lake of fire and brimstone which burns for all eternity.
---Eloy on 10/26/06

I never said that God will NEED man-made bombs,etc. But according to Matthew and Revelation there WILL be a world war between Israel and other nations. Obviously there will be man-made bombs and such involved. How can I admit that I'm definitely wrong here when the Bible describes the details of this war? God often uses mankind to accomplish His will.
---Kay on 10/25/06

Mrs Morgan, I'm fully aware of what you are stating. I've been studying the book of Revelation for many years now. Again, I NEVER said that God NEEDED the help of man to do anything. He is the Almighty God.
---Kay on 10/25/06

alan8869_of_UK, thanks.
---Kay on 10/25/06

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Kay, God don't need mans bomb's, HE will rain down judgment from the Heaven's, HE will do it, not man. There will be wars(man will be using his bombs as usual) as the result of the Anti-Christ's "so-called" peace, but God will be the one who controls the breaking of the 7 Seals of Judgment, The 7 Trumpets Judgments, and the 7 vials(bowls) of judgment, God's wrath will be kindled to the highest degree and man will have no control over things.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/25/06

Oke ... Why should Kay "admit she is wrong" when she does not believe that she is wrong?
There are many things you say here which others think are wrong, but we do not ask you to admit you are wrong because we know you honestly hold those views.
For Kay or for you to "admit you are wrong" would be dishonest
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/25/06

Kay, on one hand you argue against evolution saying that God did not need it to create the world, that the account of the six-day creation was literal (and I agree), but on the other hand you dismiss the source of destruction described in the same Revelations and advocate that God may need man-made crisis and man-made bombs, that are bound by physical laws and facts, to destroy the world. And you won't even admit that you are wrong.
---Okebaram on 10/25/06

"this world will not be destroyed by bombs"

How do you know? The book of Revelation describes an end-time world war.
---Kay on 10/25/06

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this world will not be destroyed by bombs, but by God, just as Sodom and Amorah was; but this time he will destroy all of creation rather than a few cities. The fire will be in all places and at all times, and so intense that even the air and the sky will be totally engulfed in fire, but if you are born-again and saved you will be even as the burning bush, and you will be as Henoch and Noah and Joseph and David and Elijah, and Shadrach and Meshach and Abednego, and Daniel and Jonah, and Jesus Christ.
---Eloy on 10/24/06

It is impossible to please God without faith anything that is not of faith is sin and the Just shall live by faith. The only way to have faith is something has to go wrong in your life so you can believe God to deliver you. As God was continually delivering the Children of Israel in the Desert out of one fiery trial after another but they never matured in their trials and would not mix faith with the word preached to them and they perished fot tempting God with their unbelief.
---Exzucuh on 10/23/06

"Kay & other(s), do you suppose that God will bring an end to the world by man-made nuclear physics?!"

I'm not sure. I'll have to look more into that.
---Kay on 10/23/06

"I believe the new earth will be IN heaven." Okebaram,here's my belief regarding the new earth and heavens.The new earth is this earth restored.John sees the new heaven and new earth(Rev.21:1).In verse 2 the holy city decends from God down to the new earth.Heaven is shown coming down to the restored earth.There will be no more sea so that the new earth will have plenty of land space for the believers from throughout the history of man."New heavens" refers to space (Rev.21:23; 22:5).
---Kay on 10/23/06

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Jesus became obedient unto death. We are told to have the same mind in us. Philippians Ch 2. Keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus...
That I may know Him and the fellowship of His suffering, being made conformable to His death, that I may attain to the resurrection.
Those who suffer with Him will also be Glorified with Him.
You can only know these things through personal experience.It begins when you completely surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/06

".. the word "molten lava" is not in Scripture, but the equivalent word in Scripture is: "melted elements; the earth and all the works in it will be burned up, and all these things will be dissolved; and fire and brimstone." And also there will be no more sea."
In 2 Peter 3:10 "elements" refers to "something orderly in arrangement". "Melt" means "destroy or dissolve". The word "melt" in verse 11 means "liquefy"
---Kay on 10/23/06

1 Peter 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Heb 2:10
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
---Exzucuh on 10/23/06

Exzuchu: Most people don't know that the chaff is the outer shell, which would be our old sin nature. Read 1st Peter chapter 4.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/06

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Exzucuh, you err, persecution is not purging. We purge ourselves through prayer and fasting. "I go to prepare a place for you, and I will come again, and receive you up to myself; that where I am, you all may be also. And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure." John 14:3; I John 3:3.
---Eloy on 10/22/06

Kay, It is a good thing when people agree with the truth I speak. The Lord Jesus bless you Kay.
---Eloy on 10/22/06

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

God Does not hear sinners or purge them, He saves them by the Blood of the Cross and empowers them with his Spirit to be obedient to his word. When they act in faith believing the Gospel.
---Exzucuh on 10/22/06

Acts 1:8 we are to recieve power after the Holy Ghost comes upon us to be witnesses and that witness is a life before God and man that is Christ like. Anything that comes short of that is purged out by the Fire of the Holy Ghost.Matthew 3:11-12 he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
---Exzucuh on 10/22/06

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Thank you Kay. I agree with you on this occasion too.
---jason on 10/22/06

Jason, we've agreed a few times before. Anyway,I do believe that the New Earth will be this Earth purified. Just as in the days of Noah when the Earth was destroyed by water. So yes, I do agree with you.
---Kay on 10/22/06

"God's Holy Spirit purges us, and not any fire man can kindle..."

Eloy, I agree with you. I believe we are purged by the Holy Spirit when we are born-again. I also believe this is what it means to be baptized with fire. John baptized with water, but Jesus baptizes with fire.
---Kay on 10/22/06

"God does not purge sinners."
According to the Bible we are all sinners.If God doesn't purge the sinner,then He purges no one.When an individual receives Jesus as Lord and Savior,the Holy Spirit comes in to dwell with him.At the moment of salvation the Spirit of God convicts and cleanses us (purges) from all sin. 1 John 1:7 "..and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
John 15:3 "Now ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you."
---Kay on 10/22/06

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Buy of me Gold tried in the Fire that you may be rich. Revelations. That is to the church today. James 1 says that our faith is tested. Peter talks about the firey trials.
We are purged by those firey trials. Just read 1st Peter Chapter 4. If you've never had trials in your life, you may want to check and see if you really are in the faith.
Do you put your faith in God's Sovereign WORD and promises? He tests us so we can know Him more intimately.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/06

It's through these tests and trials that our faith grows more and more. The Chruch today knows nothing about trials. It's the feel good Gospel. The feel good Gospel says nothing about the fellowship if His sufferings. After all, we're Americans, we're better than that. That good ol American Pie Gospel! That one will buy you a ticket to Hell!
---kathr4453 on 10/22/06

Kay & other(s), do you suppose that God will bring an end to the world by man-made nuclear physics?!

I believe the new earth will be IN heaven. God will combine the 2. Read the passage about the "New Jerusalem" in Rev. 21. Many people assume that the earth will be the way it was when Adam & Eve were in Eden otherwise God's will have failed. This cannot be true from the descriptions of where we are going; this plan is a different paradise! Reality will become the spiritual not matter.
---Okebaram on 10/22/06

Did the people during Noah's time have buckets of water to flood the Earth? God destroyed the earth with water. This next time it will be by fire. Fire is a very good cleansing way to get rid of disease. But can a nuclear explosion reach the stars and the planets? Read the entire OT to find how God used fire.

There are three heavens: the ones that the birds fly, the one having the planets and the stars, and the one having God's home. It's the first two that will be destroyed.
---Steveng on 10/22/06

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Mark 4:16-17 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
---Exzucuh on 10/22/06

James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
---Exzucuh on 10/22/06

I agree whole heartedly. Only God's Children are being purified with heat. Good cotext my Brother.
---Jason on 10/22/06

You people should listen to what you are saying it does not make sense. God does not purge sinners. Only the righteous are chastised that makes them the Sons and daughters of God, It is only the Gold that God heats ferverently to remove the unwanted elements he Stirs the Pot so the bad will come to the top. If you are one of God's own and have not experienced the Fire, get ready little children to grow. It will come to mature you.
---Exzucuh on 10/22/06

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Exzucuh, they were not being purged, they were already sanctified before being thrown into the fire, just as we Christians today are not purged by persecution, but are already purged through our own dailey submission and service to the Lord. God's Holy Spirit purges us, and not any fire man can kindle. A NonChristian cannot purge us by persecuting us, we purge ourselves through dailey submitting wholly to God, in worshipping and serving him, and by forsaking and abstaining from all uncleanness and sin.
---Eloy on 10/22/06

".....the three Hebrews were not being purged of anything, for they were faithful followers of the living God....."

I agree. On the "in Christ" side of this, heat should cause righteousness to show up on us.
---Linda6563 on 10/21/06

Eloy the fact is that they were being persecuted and suffering for the sake of God jesus with them, they were made perfect through their suffering the fact that they were saved was to let us know we are purged by the fire but not destroyed.Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
---Exzucuh on 10/21/06

Kay, For onced we might agree! I also believe it could be from nuclear holocaust but I cannot dissmiss the volcanic activity even going on now. Do you agree that The new EARTH will be this earth purified? It would agree with the Genesis one account of creation upon destruction and Noahs account of creation upon destruction. Thank you for your comments.
---jason on 10/21/06

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Bruce5656,thats a good question.I was wondering that myself.

2 Peter 3:10-12 says that the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned." In verse 11 its says that all these things will dissolve by the fervent heat.I believe that Peter is describing our world being destroyed by a nuclear holocaust.And according to the book of Revelation there is supposed to be another world war.
---Kay on 10/21/06

Cliff I just found your 8/02 post.
You never cease to amaze me. You know so well what the cults say and then strain at the Truth plus you decipher the Bible is figurative because it doesn't fit your mold.
You first made the reference to Matt 7:14 as a literal message and then you come back and say it is not literal.
I guess it is all in what you need to try to prove a point.
---Elder on 10/21/06

There will be a new earth but scripture indicates it will be THIS Earth cleansed and a "new erath" being constructed on this original earth. There came forth a new earth after the flood. It wasn't a different one, just this one recreated. Genesis 1 Records the destruction of this earth and a new earth created on top. Also the meek shall inherit the earth. How is this possible if this earth will not be here then?
---jason on 10/21/06

.bruce5656, "Could you please direct us to the passage..." Whom is the "us" that you're referring to in your post? Here are some Holy Scriptures of God's Judgment by Fire, for "us"?, please read: Matthew 24:27-29,35; Luke 17:26-30; II Peter 3:7,10-12; Jude 7; Revelation 6:12-17.
---Eloy on 10/21/06

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Exzucuh, the three Hebrews were not being purged of anything, for they were faithful followers of the living God, and that's why Nebuchadnezzar was having them to be burned up, because they refused to sin by committing idolatry in worshipping Nebuchadnezzar rather than God.
---Eloy on 10/21/06

.bruce, the word "molten lava" is not in Scripture, but the equivalent word in Scripture is: "melted elements; the earth and all the works in it will be burned up, and all these things will be dissolved; and fire and brimstone." And also there will be no more sea.
---Eloy on 10/21/06

There are a lot of teachings that are based on scriptures because those scriptures create a picture in the natural mind but are meant to be seen in the Spirit another way. Paul uses Ishmael as a type of Isreal and Isaac as a type of the Gentiles in Gal:4 as according to who is Abrahams true seed. That being the Gentiles through Christ. But in the old testament it says the contrary.
---Exzucuh on 10/21/06

Could you please direct us to the passage that describes the end of the earth so graphicaly? (stars falling, lava coming up etc.0
---Bruce5656 on 10/21/06

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I did not say the baptism in the Holy Ghost, I said the Baptism by Fire. Jesus baptizes in the Holy Ghost and Fire and that is my point you don't know about the fire, if you did you would truly see the typology in the story of the three hebrew children. Jesus was in the fire with them and those who endure the fire of God are purged of worldliness, they walk in the Spirit and do not fulfill the lust of the flesh, they have the kingdom in them and the witness of the Holy Ghost. And that witness is power.
---Exzucuh on 10/21/06

exzucuh, God's judgment of fire to destroy the world is not the baptism of the Holy Ghost. As the flood of water in Noah's day destroyed all flesh on earth, so too the blaze of fire will destroy all flesh on earth. The stars will be thrown down upon the earth, and the lava under the earth will be loosed to come up, and all things will be fire, the earth, the water, the air, all things will dissolve and burn with fervent heat, and none will escape, save the chosen, as was shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
---Eloy on 10/20/06

Did you notice that at the time of jesus their interpretation of the messiah and scripture concerning him caused them to miss their salvation and be as a branch cut off of the tree which was jesus the true olive tree of God. The fire which will burn up the world is Spiritual by the Holy Ghost that is why we see wordly Christians, there is no fire of the Holy Ghost in their lives . This baptism of Fire purges the world out of the believer to make a place for the kingdom of God.
---exzucuh on 10/20/06

Even as the Lord has purged the temple, the heavens and the earth must be completely burned up, and the new earth will become heaven, for there will be no more sin present in the new earth. "We according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness." II Peter 3:13. Please read II Peter 3:3-14.
---Eloy on 10/20/06

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greetings,heaven is man's goal but paradise is man's ultimate goal.the new earth with it's new city,man will reach a superior state of spirituality never entering the mind of man but earth is not man's home ,heaven and paradise is.meek men shall inherit the earth,that is evil men shall not.
---earl on 10/19/06

1 Heaven is not man's ultimate Goal, it is easy to Go to heaven. Man's ultimate Goal is to establish the kingdom of God on this earth By seeking it to to be formed in him. Jesus is the I am, a now faith is, Jesus.
---Exzucuh on 10/19/06

2 You will not preach the Gospel in heaven nor will you resist sin or the devil, you cannot be an overcomer in heaven or please God by faith, you cannot heal the sick there or cast out devils nor will you do spiritual warfare. In heaven you cannot be the temple of God because Jesus is, Now is the day that you can do something for God and let Christ be formed in you,It will not happen in Heaven.
---exzucuh on 10/19/06

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