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Do We Need A Crucified Life

Does true faith rest on the crucified life. Can one be a Christian, and not believe in the crucified life?

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 ---kathr4453 on 7/25/06
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How do you mean? Do you mean we need to crucify the flesh? If so, then yes we need to. Jesus said for us to die out to sin daily. If this isn't what you mean then explain to me what you do mean please.
---Rebecca_D on 10/21/07

Tom2. Yes! I know we are on the same page. we're just saying it in a different way. Thanks for the dialogue.
God Bless!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/19/06

kathr, I agrre ,I,am saying that it becomes a natural way of thinking after you finally reach a point. But as we all know the flesh still rears it,s head throughtout your life. Just when you think with jesus you are peaceful,out jumps someone, or something that stirs your flesh. Man its tough, without jesus I would be a mess.
---tom2 on 8/18/06

kasthr, it becomes a life style, your thought always on God and what his word says.You develope the nature of jesus ,love patience slow to anger etc.The battle is in the mind.Think SPIRITUAL gODLY THOUGHTS AND ANSWERS TO ALL LIFES ISSUES. And no I haven,t and never will reach 100 percent.once you reach a certain maturity in your christtian life crucifying the flesh become a way of life ,often without a thought you do things Gods way,Ain,t it great?
---tom2 on 8/18/06

The Crucified Life:

2 Corinthians 4:10
always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.

simultaneous combustion
1 : existing or occurring at the same time : exactly coincident
2 : satisfied by the same values of the variables

Can't have one without the other.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/06

Tom2. I believe that is a life long process. It produces fruit, some 30, some 60 and some 100. It depends on how much a heart desires to produce. Have you produced your 100% yet. I sure haven't.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/06

kathr, yes very painful.until we finally learn that a submissive obidient attitude towards all issues and situations with God word leading our thoughts and actions is what crucifys the flesh and purifies the heart.
---tom2 on 8/18/06

Tom2. You said "I never said the power to overcome the flesh is the cross"
Just one more note. The cross crucifies the old man. Galatians says, those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh. Our old man died with Christ. It was actually crucified with Christ. So the answer is. Those who have never been crucified with Christ have no part of Him.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/06

Tom2.Absolutely!! Couldn't agree with you more. But Paul did use the verse, I am crucified with Christ didn't he. If He can say it that way, I certainly can too. I still don't think you understood the question. Would you say, those who remained in the wilderness, who died in their sins, didn't CROSS over (crucified life). In other words, don't you feel there are many wilderness people out there thinking they are saved, when they are not. No crossing marks there.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/06

kathr, I had several people some years ago seek council with me. the issue was they felt so inconvienced by peoples needs.I quoted scripture to them .I say he among you who would be first must be a servant to all. Told them that a true christain attitude must be that there is no such word as inconvience in a christain life or thinking.look at the life of the apostles after jesus returned to the father.We must serve all people and crucify the flesh in many,many,different ways.
---TOM2 on 8/17/06

kathr,its only a mistery to someone whos mind is not filled daily with thoughts of God.well actually his word ,which reveals his nature. I,am blown away by what jesus did for me.totally humbled by a loving God who cares soooooo much for me.And more than anyting that he has,is,and always will. Though he will eventually judge his creation,he through jesus has by his love and grace redeemed us and covered us with the blood of his son,made acceptable in his sight. praise God forever, and God bless you.
---tom2 on 8/17/06

I never said the power to overcome the flesh is the cross .its thru the strenght that the holy spirit gives after you are saved.the only part you have is to make the free will choice daily not to follow the flesh.Christ defeated satan at the cross,and thru his resurrection,we are joint heirs of the first fruits of that overcoming power thru jesus. everything is thru christ EVERYTHING.
---tom2 on 8/17/06

Tom2. I don't disagree with you. I've had it working in my life for as long as you've been a christian. I feel I too know what the meaning is.My question was, and I don't think anyone really got it. Can we call ourselves Christians, when there is no evidence of a crucified life. I think we are on the same page, just express it differently.
---kathr4453 on 8/17/06

Tom 2. I've known the Lord as long as you. It's what one does with that time that makes the difference. There is something mysterious about the Crucified life. It just can't be put into words. It really is a mystery, and one that will reveal the fruit that the Lord longs for.
Not our idea of what we think fruit is.
God Bless
---kathr4453 on 8/17/06

Tom2. Think we're on the same page. We just say it in different ways. My experience though is more than obedience to His word. It's something that actually transformes your life. To say that it's only obedience is leaving out part of it. It's called the POWER of the cross. I think of that little energizer bunny. It just keeps on going and going and going! Well, the power of Christ in us, just keeps on going and going conforming us to His Image. A lifelong and very painful process. Is this what you mean?
---kathr4453 on 8/17/06

katr, eveidently you didn,t read my post,I said the cross is a symbol, much as christ meant it when he said anyone who would follow me must pickup his cross daily.Now once more the cross is a smybolic spiritual fact,christ used it and that was my point.I know a crucified life is once of submission to Gods word after nearly 40 years of mission trips and seeing God working in peoples lives I know what works .Its Gods spirit.
---tom2 on 8/17/06

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Tom2. The cross is not where the power of a crucified life is. A cross is only a piece of wood. A crucified "life" however is one that continually abides in Christ. Paul also said "I am crucified to the world and the world is crucified to me". The OT saints were obedient , even Paul said before his conversion, he was blameless. It's more than obedience. If we are obedient in our own self, there is no crucified life. Only a self-righteous life.
---kathr4453 on 8/17/06

kathr, crucify the sin in your life yes. but true faith comes from hearing the word of God, and applying it to all areas of your life. It takes hearing to believe,and belief to have faith and faith to walk a spiritual life believing God.
---TOM2 on 8/17/06

The Bible says we must crucify self(deny ourselves) daily. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/17/06

no as a christian I always remember the cross,what jesus did there,how he suffered for me,how much I owe him for what he did for me.the cross should be for the christain a place to take the issues and things within our lives that need to be eliminated. it is only symbolic,in actuallity jesus is our cross, our refuge,our savior,the one we repent to the one we follow.
---tom2 on 8/17/06

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the cross is a place to come to crucify the flesh,and its desires.and all things in direct conflict with God, ergo is a free will choice to believe things not seen.jesus said anyone who would follow me let him pick up his cross DAILY.
---tom2 on 8/17/06

obidience to God automatically crucifies the flesh.
---TOM2 on 8/17/06

Tom. Maybe I should have worded the question differently. Can one's faith be a faith that does not have the marks of the Cross in that person's life. True faith then would be more than looking at the cross, but Crossing over into a death and resurrected life , as a New Creation.
---kathr4453 on 8/16/06

no you can,t,true faith comes in believing the gospel,that every word of and about God and jesus, and the holy spirit are FACT.
---TOM2 on 8/16/06

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Charles,Gal2:20-21.(faith).Rom8:13.the work of the HS yielding daily to His will. Read Heb:11 All gave up their own wants and needs to follow God's will. We can't crucify our own flesh..that IS Cath.(selfsan)Jam:1,"Count it all joy, tests,matures,perfects,but it's by faith only.God's purpose is to conform us to the image of Jesus Christ.Rom 8.Those who suffer with Him will also be glorified with him.The sufferings of this PRESENT time are not worthy to be compared to the glory that is to follow.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/06

Dying to self to me meant that I had to lay down my will for His will. It was painful because it was something I wanted all of my life, to be a mother. It was the most painful thing to give up for the Lord, but he blocked every door for us to have children. Yet what I received in return for doing His will is Phenominal.
---Donna9759 on 7/27/06

If you are doing it (crucifying the flesh) why do you need Jesus Christ? Quite plainly if you are doing it you have no need of Jesus Christ.

You're not all Roman Cathoilcs surely.
We are crucified at conversion and if we follow what is being said here then crucifixion is never ending. My God is a God of Love, Mercy and Forgiveness so please explain where permanent never ending Crucifying fits in here? Bearing in mind how horrendously painful crucifixion is!!
---Charles on 7/26/06

There are many believers who have yet to crucify their flesh. They are lukewarm, apathetic people. I was that way for years. God put me through a fiery trial and I decided at that time to lay my life down for Him. I crucify the flesh daily now as a result.
---Madison1101 on 7/26/06

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"Augusta ... what does "dying to self" actually mean? I know it is a phrase constantly used, but what does it mean?"

alan_8869, I've always understood it to mean basically the same thing - walking in the spirit opposed to the flesh. Of course, I may have been using the phrase wrong all these years. ;o
---augusta on 7/26/06

You asked me to explain. OK .John ch 6, "to eat my flesh and drink my blood".This is the crucified life;that's why so many turned away saying it was too hard. Hebrews 10 "we enter the veil, that is to say His flesh". To enter the Holy of Holies,one must be crucified with Christ. Only the New Creation, those "in Christ" can enter into the Holy of Holies through the Blood. This is salvation. He alone is our righteousness. We follow the Lamb....the continued crucified life.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/06

Always carrying about in our body the dying of Christ, that the life of Christ may be manifest. Both go together. I die daily, as well as live daily. Phil 3 "that I may know Him, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable to his death,that I may attain to the resurrection". Not only do we follow Him in his death and resurrection, but we follow Him in the fellowship of His sufferings. Is there a moment of our christian life that we are to stop?
---kathr4453 on 7/26/06

Anyone who lives a crucified life is as good as dead or is stuck in the watery grave. If we are Born Again we live a Resurrected Life - period.

I do hope that helps.
---Charles on 7/26/06

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I like your answers. Not many today teach this truth. So much is pulling us back into the world, and worldly blessings, forgetting that our true blessings are In Heavenly places in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/06

I,am sure what she means is to crucify the flesh daily.if not thats what it means to live a life crucifying your flesh to Gods word and will in all areas of your life.
---tom2 on 7/26/06

Augusta ... what does "dying to self" actually mean? I know it is a phrase constantly used, but what does it mean?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/26/06

1 peter 2: 22-25 NIV 22"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."[e] 23When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 25For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
---Amy9384 on 7/25/06

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I believe the ability to live a crucified life rests on faith. If you have faith that the Lord is who He says he is, that He will unconditionally supply all your needs, your daily walk can/will be one of consciously denying your flesh in His name. If your faith is not strong, you may believe in the crucified life, but may not be able to live it. The Christian walk is one of dying daily.
---lynet on 7/25/06

I'm curious as to exactly what she means, as well.

Dying to self, perhaps?
---augusta on 7/25/06

Why don't you define what YOU mean by the crucified life? To me, to live is Christ. If I am to live as Christ, I am to live according to "Not my will, but THY will be done." That means my flesh must die daily. That means I must lay down my will for His will and I've done that and it was painful, but He gave me something far more valuable than I could ever have imagined. What do you mean by the crucified life? does it match what I'm saying or no?
---Donna9759 on 7/25/06

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