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Hell Bound For Suicide

Do you go to Hell if you committ suicide?

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tofurabby-Israel was ordered by decree of the ten commandments not to murder. Yet God ordered Israel to go into the land of Canaan and slay every man, woman and child. I made no exceptions to my explination. There are acts necessary to glorify God that would seem contradictory to God's decree but they must be analyzed in their context. Besides it is unwise to take something from one dispensation and say that it is a rule for all the ages.
---Ryan on 8/17/07

were not all twelve apostles who walked with jesus saved?did not one hang himself?we know now that suicide may stem from many factors,especially in the chemical departments in our brain,or even fear overload .we do know that we need to look before we leap into spiritual suicide.
God gives all of us mercy for even things we don't understand ourselves doing.
---earl on 8/21/06

Raine, you are making a very good point , I have no idea why a certain person keeps bringing up a topic that doesnt fit the appropriate blog topic, I find that very strange, but I know that some are very much in the wrong spirit. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/17/06

I don't understand how the posts get so far removed from the topic that you have no idea what anyone is talking about.
---Raine on 8/10/06

II. I have come to understand you some as I read all your blogs I think something is really wrong with your sister. The evil spirits and seducing spirits you speak of must be jumping up and down when you speak, because you bring them out by even mentioning them. You call them by name. You don't realize you are working for the wrong side many times.
---karen on 8/9/06

I am actually trying to speak like you. Making things up and accusing others is your way. I do believe Cave-man, is a man. people before the void is not in Scripture. Can you prove your theory? I haven't seen you answer one question put to you so I don't expect you to answer here either. Its your way or else no way.
---karen on 8/9/06

You are right tofurabby, thanks for clearing that up for me.
---Benny on 8/9/06

karen , you mis-quoted me, Please read it again on the "Life Forms On Other Planets" Blog.Cavemen "were not" HUMANS. You also make this incorrect claim in the "Once Saved Always Saved Blog" .If you are going to Quote me, please don't add words. Are you REALLY reading the Blogs?
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/9/06

Read the passage Benny, Samson asked for personal vengance for his two eyes. God granted it to him. Why? Not because of what he asked, but because he had faith.
---tofurabby on 8/9/06

I'm not sure that Samson's action qualifies as a sin. Why would God have answered his prayer and given him back his strength then? Surely God cannot be a willing party to sin. In modern wars there are many examples of soldiers throwing themselves on grenades to save the lives of fellow soldiers. I have a hard time believing that these are to be regarded as sins.
---Benny on 8/8/06

Comitting suicide is not an unpardonable sin. It is a sin, but it won't send you to hell. Look at Samson in Judges 16:29-31. He knew what he was doing when he pulled the pillars and the house down upon himself. He knew he would die and yet he still did it. He is one of those old testament saints that is in heaven today because he believed God.
---Debbie on 8/8/06

you are sinless just like Morgan. You cannot and will not make a mistake in life. You are infallible. All the others are weak and not prepared as you. All they have is the Holy Spirit but not your intelligence. I guess people need your intelligience to make it. You believe your perfect because you believe in justification by works and as Morgan you probably believe there was humans before the VOIT of the earth in Genesis. Just shows how much you both know.
---karen on 8/7/06

If you teach people they will go to heaven after commiting suicide and they kill themselves you will be held accountable for their blood as a murderer because your words killed them and gave them false hope. you are your brothers keeper and responsible and accountable for every word that comes out of your mouth
---Exzucuh on 8/6/06

There's a time for everything, a time to laugh, a time to cry, a time to build someone up, even a time to take someone down, but there is also a time to understand, a time to care, and a time to love, and finally a time to die, but God and only God can judge where the soul of a man/woman will go. We can judge what is wrong/right and also the penalty for sin, but Have Mercey one day we will all be asking God to have the same MERCEY!
---Carla5754 on 8/6/06

Alan is right. Do you think NORMAL people commit suicide? Is that how most people deal with problems? Of course not. Are the lives of suicidal people more miserable than other peoples? Not necessarily. What has happened is that they have LOST the DESIRE to LIVE. If a person loses other normal functions, we say he is ill. The suicidal person has an ILLNESS..and a treatable one at that!
---Donna2277 on 8/3/06

Carla, you Alan have answered great. No one knows the hearts of the persons. Why they were sick or what was in their hearts. Some people here seem to think they know what God see's. They even think they can order God around and command Him to do things. What a sorry way of thinking. They speak a lot of Scripture with no substance of understanding.
---Lupe2618 on 8/2/06

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At least have a heart, Your reply is as if you are damming everyone to hell that do not agree to your way of judging Gods people I doubt whether anyone on this subject agreed with suicide, so why dam everyone who disagrees with your judging to hell fire, Wow thats deeeeeeeeeeeeeep! have you a scripture to back up thst all that commits suicide, go's to hell ?.
---Carla5754 on 8/2/06

Ready to collect not burn!
---Carla5754 on 8/2/06

Sue ... it's more than that ... it is that their illness leads them think wrongly.
Does cancer send you to hell? If not, why should any other illness send yuo there?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/2/06

John 4:35 Say not, There are yet four months, and then comes harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
I don't know what your talking about but jesus said the harvest is now.
---Exzucuh on 8/2/06

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Exucuh I see your point, but the debate Heaven/Hell is to take Christ off the cross. It is like the student and the examiner, how he scores on the day can only be estimated but cannot be deternined by the tutor. No one, Not No, knows the heart of God and the full circumstance of any individual, This is not Harvest time but Seed sowing, God will do the burning in the mean time do the encouraging in love, WORRY THAT YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE never mind a stranger.
---Carla5754 on 8/2/06

Ez., I really dont think somebody can 'teach' a person that suicide is okay. I think when a person committes suicide they already know it isn't okay. I mean, even if I KNEW for a fact that I'd go to heaven if I killed myself I still wouldn't do it. Would YOU? Probably not. It isn't the fact that they think that they'll go to heaven, it's the fact that they think death is the only way out of misery.
---sue on 8/1/06

If you teach people that suicide is ok and you might still go to heaven and justify it because someone you know did it and just can't see how such a person would go to hell, there are people going to hell for not believing in Jesus alone nice people likable people but if they don't obey the word they are hell bound and people like you who pervert the Gospel are sending them there. You say I'm accountable for what I say yes I am thats why I speak the way I do.
---Exzucuh on 8/1/06

#6 kathr4453- He did not act harshly to Jesus or the other criminal he did speak kindly, he was good to defend Jesus, he showed faith to believe that Jesus was who He said He was, and I am positive it took self-control for him not to lash back at the other criminal and there was tremendous self-control for him to speak during this entire time while having his body suspended on his cross.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

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#5 kathr4453-I would say he also felt joy when Jesus said:
Luke 23:43 "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."
When Jesus proclaimed these words to this man I am sure there was peace in his soul and he patiently accepted death.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

#4 kathr4453-This mans response showed he understood mercy, love and justice; Did not Jesus himself describe these as the weightier aspects of the law? This criminal showed two things 1) An understanding of the Spirit of God and 2) Faith.
It is important to note that at this time the Holy Spirit had not been poured out into the world, but in this mans heart he knew love, you said it yourself:
"...but his humble heart."
Love is humble is it not?
---Ryan on 8/1/06

#3 kathr4453-Now let us observe what the other man said:
Luk 23:40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?

Luk 23:41 "And we indeed {are suffering} justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."
---Ryan on 8/1/06

#2 kathr4453-We find the account of the thief on the cross next to Jesus in the gospel of Luke 23:39-43. Let us look at the reaction of the first man to speak:
Luk 23:39 One of the criminals who were hanged {there} was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!"
This is an excellent picture of the flesh attacking the Son of God.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

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#1 kathr4453-Thank you for throwing your hat into the discussion. I believe you bring a very important example to the table. Let us look at what you have brought and analyze it thoroughly.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

#4 Donna9759-I suggest to you that believing is not enough, even the demons and Satan believe Jesus is the Son of God. Evidence of the indwelling (Lamps filled with oil) and production of fruit (From the indwelling comes love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness & self-control) and trading of talents (Fellowship) must all be in place to inherit the kingdom. I hope that you take this teaching to heart it is profoundly important to comprehend and apply for all Christians.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

#3 Donna9759-Now if we than look to the parable of the virgins and the parable of the talents we continue to learn who it is that will inherit the kingdom. We must bear fruit, we must have oil for our lamps and we must trade and expand our talents.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

#2 Donna9759-Let us now look to John 15:1-2
"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every {branch} that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.
We learn from this teaching that vines that do not produce fruit are discarded. Do you want to be a vine that does not produce fruit?
---Ryan on 8/1/06

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#1 Donna9759-Let me first thank you for engaging into a discussion. The answers to your questions lie in the teachings of Jesus. You say:
Where does it say God judges us according to the amount of fruit of the Spirit we have
Your answer is in Matthew 7:19:
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

That answer is so true Exzucuh, so watch out becuase you are teaching false teachings and you will be held accountable for moving people away from the real Truth. Your own words seem to condemn you. Don't you realize what you are saying many times?
---karen on 8/1/06

Exzucuh-you're a dear person and I respect you. So have you gotten a word from the Lord God that my mother's friend went to hell because she was a bitter woman? Did Father reveal that to you? Did He show you the scripture reference where he says he judges that way? According to the fruit of the Spirit in a person'a life. I thought it was according to a person believing and receiving what Jesus did for them on the cross. I guess I'm wrong then if Father gave you a definite word this woman went to hell.
---Donna9759 on 8/1/06

Exzucuh, who are you talking to? Surely not me. I am teaching that thanks to Christ's death and ressurection we can obtain salvation by receiving him. Once we become one of his sheep, he will never forsaken us even if we make a mistake such as suicide. Your the one that is teaching contrary to the cross because in your view it has limited saving power. You seem to think it is only good enough for self-righteous people.
---tofurabby on 8/1/06

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We as christians also have a responsibility not to only preach Hell fire and damnation to the faint hearted, Love is another way of preaching like realising that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God despite how high we score ourselves we do not know the heart of God and he has the final word not man in himself.
---Carla5754 on 8/1/06

People who preach contrary to the cross and lead others away from the truth will find themselves in the Lake of fire with all those who commited suicide, because their blood will be on your hands.
---Exzucuh on 8/1/06

Your not dieing on a cross and have no excuse you better obey the word and stop trying to find another way thats the same as being a theif or a robber.
---Exzucuh on 8/1/06

Exzucuh, thanks but I dont plan on killing myself. I will wait until God wants me to get there and then I will tell Samson it is good to see him and that I am glad God didnt send him to hell for committing suicide (the only unpardonable sin not listed in the Bible... if I were to believe man, anyway).
---tofurabby on 8/1/06

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Ryan..The man who died next to Jesus, what about his fruit? Yet Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in Paradise". He didn't have time to bare anything but his humble heart. confessing he was a sinner, right there on the spot...acknowledging he knew Jesus was who He said He was.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/06

Ryan, I have read that scripture in Matthew 7. Brother Bruce, do you believe God judges a person by how much fruit they have in their lives when they die? Isn't it possible that she longed to know Jesus, but her bitterness wouldn't allow her to. GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART, not the FRUIT. Where does it say Ryan, that God judges us according to the amount of fruit of the Spirit we have in our lives when we die? I would like to see the scripture to back that up. Thank you.
---Donna9759 on 8/1/06

God said in the end ''I will have mercey on whom I shall have mercey'' That means if he judges that the soul will be with him ,he will make that decision, sorry folks we just do not know, ONLY GOD KNOWS. If it was left to some of us without wisdom/mercey many innocent would be lost. Thank God he and his Holy Saints makes the final decision eh!
---Carla5754 on 8/1/06

Okay you win go head and kill yourself and prove your right. But you will be dead wrong.
---Exzucuh on 7/31/06

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5. Ryan, God gives us the will to repent. If you look at 2 Timothy 2:25, "in humility correcting those who are in opposition, If God perhaps will grant them "repentance", so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." Mn is fallen and under the will of the devil before he is saved. But God grants repentance in order that they come to the knowledge of Christ.
---lee_1 on 7/31/06

Exzucuh, He did not ask god to let him die, he asked for the strength to cause himself to die and to get revenge in the process. No matter how you spin it. He performed the act that caused his death with full knowledge that death was the outcome. That is called suicide.
---tofurabby on 7/31/06

Donna9759-My sister please read this scripture with an honest heart:
Mat 7:19-20 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
God most certainly does require production of fruit as a qualification to enter the kingdom.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
---Exzucuh on 7/31/06

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Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
---Exzucuh on 7/31/06

Wheather or not you believe any one in the old testament commited suicide, remember what Jesus said concerning the Jews. If I had not of came and spoke to them, they would not had sin. This is not exactly as it is written but it is close. You can find it in the Gospel of John.
---Truth on 7/31/06

Donna9759_ I suggest you read Matthew 7:16-23.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

Donna2277-There is one major difference between when Peter made that statement and the statement I made. When Peter said that he did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, I do.
When the devil is allowed to test my faith I have full confidence that through the power of the Holy Spirit I will prevail.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

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Tofuraby I can read what that says, it's you who are in denial. He asked God to let him die because he would not have died without Gods permission. He was anointed Like david and divinely protected. Saul also had this anointing and attempted suicide by falling on his sword but could not die, he asked one of his men to kill him.
---Exzucuh on 7/31/06

Ryan, not everyone has ALL of the fruit of the Spirit developed in their lives when they die. I do NOT believe God uses the Fruit of the Spirit as a qualification as to whether or not a person gets into heaven.

Folks, is that HOW we get judged when we die? BY our fruit? OR by what we believe and How we believe?
---Donna9759 on 7/31/06

Donna9759, you are correct, God does see the heart and the pain, and knows the reason behind her feelings. That doesn't prove she was not saved no matter what anyone here say's. How dumb to seat in judgement of someone else's pain. How dumb to even come close to condemning them. They don't know the heart, it is ignorance from their understanding to make judgements on others. They can suggest, but never condemn.
---Lupe2618 on 7/31/06

Donna; she may have believed that Jesus is the Son of God, but she didn't believe that Jesus could help her. God did see her hurting, and he would have helped if she had asked him to. but she took her situation into her own hands, instead of giving it to God. She didn't give God a chance to help her. the bible says thou shall not kill, and that is what she done. She didn't put her trust in God.
---Rebecca_D on 7/31/06

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Ryan-->>No matter what lies ahead for me in the future, illness or not, I will never lose focus of my master; The Lord Jesus!<<

Peter once said " Lord I am ready to go with thee, both into prison and to death" Luke 22:34. Peter meant every word....yet, before the day was over, he denied, THREE times, that he even knew Jesus.

Ryan, remember your words, because the Lord will surely, one day, put you in a position to prove them.
---Donna2277 on 7/31/06

Donna9759-You said it yourself that she was a bitter woman. Bitterness is not a fruit of the Spirit. We will know his children by their fruit. Appearantly this woman did not bear fruit therefore she was not a child of God. Believing is not enough, even the demons believe Jesus is the son of God. The true believer is a new creature that has chosen to crucify the flesh and submitted to resurrection in the Spirit.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

tofurabby-What Samson did was an act of redemption. He had laid down his vow of the Nazarite and succumbed to the flesh. He repented of his foolishness and destroyed the Philistines.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

My mother's close friend from childhood just committed suicide last Wednesday. She was Catholic. She was a very bitter woman due to things that happened to her by her ex-husband. I want so badly to believe that God saw her hurting heart, even though she had such bitterness inside of her, doesn't God look at her heart like we would look at our children's heart and say, "I know she was hurting, she believed Jesus was the Son of God, so she's coming home to heaven." Am I being naieve here?
---Donna9759 on 7/31/06

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Donna2277 , I have to depend on God everyday! I tell you, If I didn't have Jesus to lean on I would be a wreck!
---Mrs._Morgan on 7/31/06

Sue; to me suicide is when someone takes their own life when their heart is full of sorrow, grief. My Pastor was telling us the other night in church that his close friend whom was also a Pastor filled with the Holy Ghost, shot himself in the head. Demons are real and they will do everything in their power to keep us from getting closer to God. Or a sinner finding God. It is their way of destroying us.
---Rebecca_D on 7/31/06

It says in John 3:15 that whomsoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. And in Heb 11:6 it says but without faith it is impossible to please him for he that cometh to God must believe that he those two verses tell me that when someone takes their own life, are not believing in Jesus to help them. so they don't have eternal life.
---Rebecca_D on 7/31/06

Exzucuh, "And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes. And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines...."Judges 16:29,30

He was fully aware that he would die. He wanted all of them to die so bad that he killed himself just to get vengance. You cant spin this, it is written very clearly.
---tofurabby on 7/31/06

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Ryan--Believe it or not, Christians occasionally are weak in faith. I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, but it happens. Personal disasters, fatigue, stress, frustration, pain and biochemical imbalances may cause even faithful Christians a season of sorrow, even despair. That's why we need to pray for and encourage one another in the faith. Pray for discernment. Those who struggle often are ashamed to say so.
---Donna2277 on 7/31/06

Truth is love.
All illness, physical, mental, psyhchological, spiritual, etc is a direct result of sin. God did not make the body prone to corruption or illness. Sin has made this body corruptable.
No matter what lies for me in the future, illness or not, I will never lose focus of my master; The Lord Jesus!
---Ryan on 7/30/06

Samson did not commit suicide, He asked God to take him because he Knew he would be delivered as every other time he went to battle, every battle he fought would have been suicide to anyone else he was by himself fighting whole armies it was God who delivered him every time and he knew it.
---Exzucuh on 7/30/06

No matter how you spin it Samson comitted suicide. Dont compare it to murder unless you are willing to admit that you can still make it to heaven. Paul murdered many Christians and look how he ended up, his writings are probably the number 1 witness of the gospel of Christ, surely his rewards will be magnificant. In the end, I believe that once we are saved, God will never forsake us. We may lose rewards but not salvation.
---tofurabby on 7/30/06

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Hi Ryan; I just need to tell you that I have some very godly friends who also suffer from mental illness, so being a Christian does not mean you will not have that kind of pain. I am praying to get into suicide ministry of some type and to do so requires compassion, and you have all the words to say but I don't see any love; if there is, where is it? Not being rude, just curious; thanks.
---Mary on 7/30/06

What is considered suicide? A person jumps on a land mine to save his whole platoon but lets himself die for it? A person saves his child but dies doing it? I think it all depends. God will know where the person belongs, heaven or hell.
---sue on 7/30/06

Mental illiness of the brain can affect one just like physical illiness. Also there are those who will say physical illiness is a lack of faith. Your tongue will snare you.
---wayne on 7/30/06

Ryan ... I do pray that you will not fall into mental sickness. But the more you say, the more I suspect that you will.
But you say to Madison that mental illness is "of the flesh" Does that not mean that it is the same (as Madison has been saying)as a physical illness.
Are you one of those who believe you will be for ever free of physical illness?
If you are, again I pray for you
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/30/06

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I asked a minister this question after a friend shot himself. He told me a person who takes his own life is not in their right minds and God understands this. Only one unforgiveable sin, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I'm sure Charles asked God to forgive him when he shot himself. It's sad when people feel there's no other way. Charles didn't trust God.
---Nellah on 7/30/06

Suicide is a fundamental denial of faith.
---Ryan on 7/29/06

alan8869_of_UK- If I am in the Spirit being led by the Spirit and having the indwelling of the Spirit; How will I suffer from mental illness?
---Ryan on 7/29/06

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