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Do Democrats Have Faith Too

Do you think the "Democrats can have faith too" movement is sincere, or just a political sham to get votes?

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All the Dem candidates are alike: their motto is "In Big Government We Trust". So they all support confiscation of more of your money. Even worse, all of them support partial birth abortion and gay marriage, and appointment of judges that are sure to foist even more of the radical leftist secularist agenda on the people.
---Ktisophilos on 1/13/08

B. Hussein Obama is even more hateful of babies than NARAL, the leading pro-abort group. He voted against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act in Illinois, which among other things would protect babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion.

The Black church leaders who support Obama just because of his skin colour will have a lot to answer for on the Day of Judgment. After all, Obama's policies kill many black babies too.
---Ktisophilos on 1/13/08

Madison1101 is a typical Lefty in her arguments. If you oppose the particular Lefty programs, you must hate those whom these programs are ostensibly meant to help.

E.g. if you oppose the welfare bureaucracies, you must hate the poor. In reality, you could oppose them because you hate policies that entrench the poor in their poverty rather than helping to lift them out of it.
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

In any case, the Dems are the party of filthy rich people, e.g. Soros, many actors, the Kennedys, Edwards the multimillionaire shyster trial lawyer who has $400 haircuts, Pelosi married to a multimillionaire property developer, John "I married wealthy heiresses" Kerry, alGore who preaches on the need for CO2 reductions but jetsets everywhere and lives in an energy-guzzling mansion ...
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

melissa, the GOP party principles, if not practices, so benefit the poorer people by allowing them to earn more and keep more of what they earn.

The Dems instead propose policies that perpetuate proverty, e.g. confiscation of more of our earnings to pay for welfare that keeps the poor dependent.

The Dems, the party of slavery and the Jim Crow laws, still keep Blacks down by destroying family values and promoting the modern racism of "affirmative action".
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

melissa, Since the "rich" pay by far most of the tax, it is not surprising that tax cuts will benefit the "rich". But in reality, tax rates are based on *income* not wealth, so hit those *aiming* to be rich, not those who *are* filthy rich, e.g. Dems with inherited wealth like Kerry and the Kennedys.

Also, note well: it is not giving anything to the "rich" but stopping the government from confiscating as much of their earnings.
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

Walter Williams:

In 2005 ... the top 25 percent, with income of over $62,000, paid 86 percent, and the top 50 percent, earning $31,000 and higher, paid 97 percent of all federal taxes.

What about any argument suggesting that the burden of taxes have been shifted to the poor? The bottom 50 percent, earning $30,000 or less, paid 3 percent of total federal income taxes. In 1999, they paid 4 percent. Congressmen know all of this, but they attempt to hoodwink the average American who doesn't.
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

Actually it was the rise of government welfare that killed off many private charities. Before the New Deal, one in three Americans was a member of a mutual aid society.

But now the efficient local charities have been replaced by a bloated and inefficient federal welfare bureaucracy. We could give each person in poverty enough money to get over the official poverty line for far less than we spend on the welfare bureaucracy.
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

The Dems are beloved by the Secular Left. When millions of Evangelicals stayed home, Bush and Gore were almost tied. When they turned up, Bush easily defeated Kerry.

So now the Dems are pretending to respect religious people. But they still love anti-biblical ideas: butchering unborn babies (violating "do not murder"), gay "marriage", confiscation of the wealth of the productive (cf. "do not steal", foisting the politics of envy (cf. "do not covet").
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

Most importantly, if you vote Dem, you will be enabling the appointment of corrupt judges who believe this "living constitution" crap. This is just a vehicle for legislating anti-Christian policy and pretending the the Constitution has "evolved" to match.

The GOP candidates have promised to appoint judges that stick to the *original meaning* of the Constitution, and to their role as *referees* not legislators.
---Ktisophilos on 1/7/08

I am a Democrat and I have faith, so I think it is legitimate. Who says Republicans have a corner on the market when it comes to faith in God?
---Madison1101 on 11/23/07


Well, looking at Madison's list saves you from checking reference. Faith, Love, Patience...etc...these are Ripe, Fresh, Juicy Fruits...that are good to eat...backbiting, selfishness, envy...etc...these are poisenous, dry, no-good fruits...

---Reiter on 11/15/06

Oh boy oh boy. I will not be checking out any of Madison's juicy fruits. We have all kinds of fruit picking standards, where did you come up with this one?
---R.A. on 11/14/06

what kind of question is that? do you have faith, we can only determine someone's faith by their actions (this is why good works can't be taken out of the picture.) If those that proclaim faith truly have faith it will affect their governing policies. they may have a different view then us but that does not mean they don't have faith. Probably the most faithful politician out there is Jimmy Carter, I don't agree with his policies but I do not question his faith.
---Jared on 11/14/06

Check Madison's juicy fruits.

Some Dems have dry fruit.
Other Dems have juicy fruit.
Some Pubs have dry fruit.
Other Pubs have juicy fruit.

.You gotta have the fruit.
Dem or Pub doesn't matter;
what matters is the fruit.

---Reiter on 11/14/06

Sam: Galatians 5:22-23 tells us what the fruit of the Spirit are: 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

I am a Democrat. That is my fruit.
---Madison1101 on 9/12/06

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Judging by their fruits, everything they support goes against the Bible. They support abortions and gay marriages. I believe it is a sham.
---sam on 9/12/06

To say democrats are evil is pick some sins as better or worse than others. When has the republican party ever done social justice? It was not the republicans that passed the civil rights act. Of course if your middle class and white this means nothing to you. Dem's push issues you might disagree with but repubs have their fair share also. I dont think Jesus would drop bombs but that's not a problem for a republican. Bombs kill just like abortions. It just depends on your focus.
---saultopaul on 9/9/06

mikem, I know a preacher who has several churches who believes jesus was just a man,and doesn,t beleive in the virgin birth.and a bunch of other things not of God,and he is a republican.evil resides in the hearts of ALL men, and woman.never read any scripture thats says democrats have a monopoly on sin.judge not lest you be judged, for with the measure you judge so shall you be judged.
---tom2 on 8/21/06

MikeM, Don't twist what I was saying, I know whether I was still a Democrat any more or not, doesn't have anything to do with my salvation. What I was saying is Liberal views are the ones that say "do your own thing" Have Abortions, Marry those of your own sex, and anyone saying that is Biblically wrong are imposing their will on someone else. (closer to God means further from liberal views.)
---Dottie on 8/21/06

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Yes Dottie and Tom2; The Lord loves loves everone but Democrats. Pat Robertson said in 1988 that the Republican Party was Gods Party, therefore The Democratic Party belongs to the other fellow. You watch Democrat conventions, you will see the devil giving speech's! You know in heaven all the angels fly in circles, as they only have right wings.
---MikeM on 8/21/06

Tom2: Thanks for your post. You know, it could be that those verses do exclude Democrats in the KJV. You see, being the liberal Democrat that I am, I read the NIV. My version says that God so loved the world (NO exceptions)... I haven't checked the KJV. It just might say that God loves everyone except the Democrats.

---Madison1101 on 8/20/06

and God said all who call on the name of the lord will be saved, except democrats. NO I don,t think so.for God so loved the world[except for democrats] that he gave his only son that whosoever believes in him[unless hes a democrat]should not perish but have everlasting life.please the bible says WHOSOEVER.
---tom2 on 8/20/06

This is hard for me to answer, because I was once a Democrat, but it was years ago when I had the live and let live philosophy. Thank God He revealed that being that way I was condemning many to Hell, and probably myself as well. God totally took over my life and I had to see things His way, and it was enlightening to see that the Democratic party is like the ACLU destroying the USA and condemning it's people.
---Dottie on 8/14/06

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MikeM: Again, we go back to resources. The poor local communities have the most people living in poverty. These communities, like the city I teach in, cannot afford to meet the needs of their poor. Those resources, the funding, must come from the larger government, like the federal government. The richer communities, like Beverly Hills for example, are not going to have a great demand for food stamps or Section 8 housing.
---Madison1101 on 8/5/06

If church's and other social groups cannot then it is up to the local goverments to aid in the support of the poor. If they cannot meet the demand, then the county, then the state, and ONLY then the federal goverment. Should compassion be the basis for goverment social policy? That is the question. BTW, as a Libertarian I distrust Big Business as much as big goverment, both tend towards corruption.
---MikeM on 8/5/06

MikeM: If the churches are so efficient in meeting the needs of the poor, hungry and homeless, why are there still people living on the streets in the USA?

The need is too great for the churches to be able to meet it efficiently. They are not organized to be able to address it across the country. The poorest churches are where the greatest need is, the inner cities. The richer churches are in the richer suburbs. See the problem?
---Madison1101 on 8/4/06

You can feed all the poor people you want but the Blood of all those innocent babies they have killed is on the hands of democrats and all their supporters they have turned democracy into demon-ocracy be not partakers of other mens sins nor be in the counsel of the ungodly.
---Exzucuh on 8/4/06

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LOOK>>>> there goes NurseRobert staying of the fray this time!!!!
---NurseRobert on 8/4/06

Exzucuh ... It all depends, does it not, and what are Christian calues, and moral values. Feeding the helpless is just as much (and no more) a Christian and moral value as opposing abortion.
So sad that there is not a party that takes on board all Christian and moral values
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/4/06

Madison-Yes feeding the poor is noble and good. It is best done when it is churchs and synagogues, who do it far more effectivly than any govermental agency. When goverment does it, it wastes so much money, and we are taxed for it, and it creates dependent people, as in the welfare state.

Jack-I like Sinclair Lewis, you can guess my favorite novel of his.
---MikeM on 8/4/06

I guess the Democrats feeding the poor and providing for the homeless is not a Christian value. The Republicans don't think those things are important. They believe in big business and oil. How Godly is that?
---Madison1101 on 8/3/06

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The American author Sinclair Lewis once said that if Fascism ever comes to America, it will be wrapped up in the flag and carrying a cross.
---Jack on 8/3/06

I want you to understand that I am not trying to make republicans look pure, I don't like their policies on the poor or the economy but I have to stand with whoever supports Christian values even if I have to sacrifice my standard of liveing because of foolish decisions by republicans. If the democrats changed their stand and would lift up Jesus and his moral standards I would support them completely.
---Exzucuh on 8/3/06

Years ago Pat Robertson said the Republican party was Gods party. I watched the last republican convention, God never showed up, was Robertson possibly wrong? The republican party is much controled by the religious reich, er, right, goof balles like randell terry and Falwell. The democratic party is basically the secular socialist party of America, who want govermwent in all aspects of your life, like a nurse-maid. Disgusted with both, I am Libertarian.
---MikeM on 8/3/06

The whole premise of the question is basically fallacious.

When I was growing up in South Florida the outcome of the local and state elections was determined in the closed Democratic primary not in the general election. If you registered Independent or Republican you had no say in any outcome. Thank goodness times have changed and you can be a Republican in the South with a vote that will count. Now I am a registered Republican and live in New Hampshire.
---notlaw99 on 8/3/06

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Revelation 17:13-14 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
---Exzucuh on 7/31/06

The word says to not be partakers of other peoples sin to be seperate from them to not take counsel of the ungodly, that to join them will bring judgement on you as well as them. As far as I can tell the Democratic party supports all of Satans Ideas, the removing of everthing having to do with Jesus ,abortion,homosexual marriage, and many other things, their day is coming as well as their followers, Just as soon as they all get into one big group making a stand against Jesus withone mind, it will be over
---Exzucuh on 7/31/06

What does politics have to do God? God don't care if someone is a Democrat or a Republican. Too many people focas on the dumbest things instead of focasing on how to win the lost over to Christ.
---Rebecca_D on 7/31/06

To be caught up in Democrat, Republican, "I am right you are wrong," shows a fundamental ignorance to scripture. I was once a staunch Conservative Independant, than God shared 2 Timothy 2:4 with me. I have now abandoned all political dicussions and I quit listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and all others of similar ilke. Where is your focus? I choose not to have mine distracted by the world.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

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Melissa I know a friend at our church that has a brother that works in the White House, and President Bush is a man of God and reads his Bible first thing in the morning.
---mason on 7/31/06

**Most [Democrats] only are concerned about their political careers and not God's laws.**

Much the same thing can be said about Republicans, Socialists, Libertarians, or politicians of other persuasions.
---Jack on 7/31/06

Of course dems can have faith! Can republicans?
---sue on 7/31/06

Democrats are more for the rights of the "little man, a Christian virtue. Republicans are overrepresented by the super-wealthy who get wealthier by reducing their tax burden and making it harder for lower income Americans. I feel that George Bush used the Christian voter shamelessly. He basically lied about his "faith" to get votes. Remember how hard it is for a rich man to get to Heaven? He has done nothing but get richer on our backs these past 6 years!!!!
---melissa on 7/31/06

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The Democrats generally support things that are against God's will like abortion and gay marriages, so I would say it is just a political sham. That's not to say there could be a Christian Democrat, but judging by their fruits, it is highly unlikely for most Democrats. Most only are concerned about their political careers and not God's laws.
---ralph on 7/31/06

What a ridiculous thing to think that God sides with one political party or another. Politics is fraught with shams, so in answer to the question, it would not surprise me if such was used for votes.
---Christina on 7/31/06

I grew up in the south and I remember when almost ALL politicians in office were Democrats. Whoso won the Democratic primary and run-off was a shoo-in at the general election.

King David (the ultimate politician) sang, "Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men, in whom is NO salvation". Might this not also apply to political parties?

To say nothing about, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."
---Jack on 7/31/06

I'm a Democrat and have lots of faith. God is neither a Democrat or a Republican, neither side can say they speak for God. God speaks for himself. Shouldn't be a political issue. "what does God ask of us, but to justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God"
---Deborah on 7/31/06

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