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Can God Save Anyone

Do you believe that God can save people at any point and place in their lives, including a prison cell where they are incarcerated for horrendous crimes against their fellow man?

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Dear MarkV

I have never spoken to you like Elder apparently has. I understand your viewpoint and there is a lot correct in what you say.

But GOD can and I believe the Bible teach give us the choice to be saved or lost. You seem to say He cannot do that. But as you point out GOD can do whatever He wants.

Because GOD is love I believe He gives us the right to choose because that is fair and just. Yes we are all lost sinners headed for death in hell. But GOD intervened and He choose to give us the right to choose whether to be saved or lost.

Tell me please why GOD cannot do this?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/19/13

They were present with him but he knew their hearts were not with him for they did not believe.
As told, " For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
He did not send them away, they left. Not only that but, he said also to the twelve,
"Will ye also go away?"

If your treasure is not God and your fellow man, how could you love them?
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
---Nana on 12/19/13

Cluny, the church is more than one individual and Jesus is speaking to them as a group. Each church is told what will happen if they obey His voice and each church is told what will happen if they do not obey.

Jesus cannot come in and sup with His Kingdom until they meet His requirements for righteousness.

Some will hear, see and understand and others will be tossed out of the Kingdom because they think they have need of nothing. Rev. 3:17-18. "The Son of Man shall send forth His angels and they shall gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend and them who practice lawlessness." Matt 13:41.
---barb on 12/19/13

Elder, your wrong. All that the Father draws to Himself go to be with Christ. Nowhere are we told they have a choice. All descendants of Adam are found guilty, condemned, heading to hell, for sinning against God, and no amount of words they speak will remove the sentence. The only hope they have is if God has mercy on them and removes the sentence and sets them free. He doesn't need sinful man permission. He decides who is saved and who is lost, who lives and who dies. After all He is God.
You can hate me, speak against my wife and family, trash my testimony, and even try to change the Truth to a lie, but it will not change the Truth.
The Truth will not change no matter how much you want to make it fit your teachings.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/13

Elder 2: you now give a passage in (John 12:32) to contradict (John 6:44) to indicate Jesus was wrong in (John 6:44) You failed to do some research. In (John 12:32) the word "men" is not in the text. It is only (navra) "all" Beza's most ancient copy, and some others and the Latin Vulgate version read "all things" and by "all" are meant, all the elect of God that are scattered abroad. If you were correct and He draws all men to Himself, then all would belong to Christ and we would have Universal salvation which is false also, millions upon millions are heading to hell.
The Persic version reads, "I will draw my friends to me" Christ at the Cross, draws all of His elect.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/13

markv, it doesn't matter what elder says you attack anyway. God gave His Son to save the lost. God did not push Himself on me, you or anyone else. salvation is offered and if anyone does not accept, they do not get saved. you are so sanctimonious thinking you are "elected" by God for salvation. you need to come off that pride that is holding you up because one day pride is not going to do one thing for you. you deceive yourself and you deceive others. I hope anyone on christianet who is a new Christian will not listen to you. you are going to answer to God for any influence you may have over a lost person. why do you pray? why do you go to church? after all you have no need to attend church or pray for lost souls.
---shira4368 on 12/18/13

"God doesn't draw all individuals to Himself, If He did, they would all be saved. There is no universal salvation."

Well, well, well.... looks like I gotta whine and complain some more.

Jesus said in,
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.
Then read John 3:15-21.

God does draw all men to Him. Some just won't trust Him so they stay lost. Some even think they are elected to be saved and stay lost too.
---Elder on 12/18/13

\\Does anyone ever wonder why Jesus is outside the door to the kingdom, knocking? \\

What I really wonder is where you got that idea.

The kingdom is wherever the King (Jesus) is.

"Lo, I stand outside the door and knock," was said to a LOCAL CHURCH, not the Church as a whole. Still less was it said to an individual person.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/13

Does anyone ever wonder why Jesus is outside the door to the kingdom, knocking? And yet there He is knocking at the door and most of His kingdom can't even hear His Voice. All they have to do is listen and open up the door and He will come in to feed them so why is He, who is the Bread of Life and Living Water standing outside? Because His people don't want to hear the warnings in any of the messages to the 7 churches and neither do they want to go to all that trouble of "doing something" such as listening or moving a finger to open that door.

"Truly, truly, I say unto you I am the door of the sheep." John 10:1-1-18.
---barb on 12/18/13

Samuel, the letter was to the Laodicea church. You said:
"The church is people." The church of Christ is made up of believers already. If you are speaking of the visible church then it is made up of believers and unbelievers. Then say, "When he knocks he wakes your spirit to bring it to live. He causes you to perceive what he is offering and puts His fear in your heart. This is where He draws you to Him. Which He does to all for GOD is love." God doesn't draw all individuals to Himself, If He did, they would all be saved. There is no universal salvation.
Jesus said:
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who send Me draws him," Those drawn by the Father go to be with the Son, Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/13

Have you not read the New Covenant?
Those actions come from God, Mark_V.

As two of the Former Presbyterian ministers who I have worked with who are Seventh day Adventist now would say so close. Yes I have read the New Covenant both in Hebrews and in Isaiah.
The church is people. The Laodiceaians represent the people in the church who are in that condition today as well as in the past. What you state is 90% correct. When he knocks he wakes your spirit to bring it to live. He causes you to perceive what he is offering and puts His fear in your heart. This is where He draws you to Him. Which He does to all for GOD is love.

GOD is so powerful that He can give all men the right to choose.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/18/13

You statement was, "if one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy and respond in saving faith, He would enter the church."
---Elder on 12/17/13

copy and paste it into a search engine, it's from MacArthur's NASB study bible
---James_L on 12/18/13

Elder, you complain a lot. You say:
"I just asked you why you gave the indication that people had any influence over what God does when you said they don't." They don't have any influence over what God does" The message was not to show that God only does something if man let Him, He was teaching that we will share the privilege and authority that Christ enjoys as we reign with Him (Matt. 19:28: Luke 22:29,30).
"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His Throne" But guess what, you do not have ears to hear for this message is only for believers 3:22). He was knocking on the door of the Laodicea church.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/13

MarkV, I see you have no command or understanding of the english languare either.

I asked a simple enough question. Have some one read and explain it to you. Maybe a friend if you can find one.

I just asked you why you gave the indication that people had any influence over what God does when you said they don't.

You statement was, "if one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy and respond in saving faith, He would enter the church."

I'd rather whine and complain than to post lies to try to discredit and distort what someone posts. I guess you can't stand the heat.
---Elder on 12/17/13

Elder, if you stopped whining and complaining for a moment just maybe I can see what your question was. I am sure I can answer it. You talk so much I really don't know what to answer. Make it clear. I will do my best to answer you. You cannot have anything that hard, that cannot be answered with the Word of God. What about God Sovereignty do you want to know? God can save anyone, any place, at any time He so desires. If He doesn't have mercy on them, they continue their path to hell, where they are all headed to, condemned already. No amount of words they say, will save them. Only a supernatural act of God can free them. So what you is question?
---Mark_V. on 12/17/13

There you go again MarkV. Telling things I didn't say. I never said anything about the door being peoples heart.

I just asked you why you gave the indication that people had any influence over what God does when you said they don't.

What's the matter? Can't you stand the heat of answering to your own statements? You sure didn't answer that one!

Peddle fast MarkV the truth is gonna catch up with you if you don't. You might lose your Calvinistic false views also.

Better still, why don't you just answer the question? Stop spinning, boy, you are getting dizzy.
---Elder on 12/16/13

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Really, MarkV, is trying to get you to explain your remarks in light of other conflicting statements you made now considered "finding fault?"

Can you also explain that?
---Elder on 12/16/13

Yes. Some great Christians throughout the centuries have been jailed, and God used them to evangelize the other prisoners and lead them to repentance.

St. Dismas (the traditional name of the repentant thief) turned to Jesus while he was being executed, and was given a great promise from the Lord.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/13

Elder, I know you are trying your best to find fault, but the Truth is never wrong. I might put something wrong but the Truth is never wrong. For your information (Rev, 3:20) was a vision that John saw. It was revealed to him by Jesus Christ who is God. Are you also telling everyone God is knocking at peoples hearts? I bet you are because that story about God knocking at the heart of individuals came from those who speak for free will. This way they can say, "its up to you to open the door with your free will" it fits that false story very well. And with that free will, you can reject Him. Shear nonsense. You should study the New Covenant.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13

Bryan and Samuel 2: This was a vision. The letter was to one of the 7 churches. Nowhere in the passage does it say that God was knocking at anyone's heart. That is religious talk someone made up and all of you are buying it.
When God wants to save someone, He does not knock to see if you will let Him in. He knows you are spiritually dead. What He does is, He wakes your spirit up, brings it to life. He gives you a new heart so you can perceive, and puts His fear in your heart so that you will not depart from Him. Have you not read the New Covenant?
Those actions come from God,
"Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day" God gives fallen man a new heart.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13

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"if one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy and respond in saving faith, He would enter the church."

I thought you believed God does what He wills to do. So, what was stopping Him here?
Looks like you are saying it was the members action/responce to gain saving faith.

Ugh... gulp hard, swallow a few times, cough, wipe your brow and make up some excuse as to why what you said doesn't mean what you said.

You contradict yourself through out your post. Do you even realize what you believe?
---Elder on 12/16/13

Bryan and Samuel, you guys are just too much. In the passage, on what door was the Lord knocking on? The door to the Laodicea Church. The context demands that Christ was seeking to enter this church that bore His name but lacked a single true believer. This poignant letter was His knocking, if one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy and respond in saving faith, He would enter the church. Both of you do not recognize your spiritual bankruptcy. You hear someone else knocking, and it is not God. God does not knock on doors, if He wants to knock someone down, He just permits them to continue on their path to hell, since they are condemned already.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13

Rev 3:20 "Here observe, 1. Christ is graciously pleased by his word and Spirit to come to the door of the heart of sinners, he draws near to them in a way of mercy, ready to make them a kind visit. 2. He finds this door shut against him, the heart of man is by nature shut up against Christ by ignorance, unbelief, sinful prejudices. 3. When he finds the heart shut, he does not immediately withdraw, but he waits to be gracious, even till his head be filled with the dew. 4. He uses all proper means to awaken sinners, and to cause them to open to him: he calls by his word, he knocks by the impulses of his Spirit upon their conscience. 5. Those who open to him shall enjoy his presence, to their great comfort and advantage..."-M Henry
---micha9344 on 12/16/13

Bryan, God is not knocking at anyone's door or anyone's heart. That statement is not biblical. That statement is a religious statement not found in the Word of God. Mark_V.

JESUS is GOD. Revelation 3:20

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

What is not Biblical is Irresistible Grace. No where does the Bible say GOD uses force to save people.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/16/13

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God is knocking at the door but only those who hear HIS VOICE will be able to open the door and let Him in. Jesus Christ is the voice and the Word of God. Whose Voice are you listening to?

Rev 3:20-21. "Behold I stand at the door and knock. Whosoever hears MY VOICE and opens the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and him with me. To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me on my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father on His throne".
---barb on 12/16/13

Interesting, I do believe people GET too sick & tired realize without a Saviour not able to handle it No MORE!!
life can throw the best of us a monkey wrench THAT don't fix it! Yes! we tire of what we call " living life!"
We were made to serve OUR CREATOR & if we do not at some point it CAN get really ugly! Not even money,friends,lust,etc.. will make us happy!!!
Ro.6:23 Jn1:12 Ep.5:2 Col.2:9
---Lidia4796 on 12/16/13

Bryan, God is not knocking at anyone's door or anyone's heart. That statement is not biblical. That statement is a religious statement not found in the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/13

That is the God I know He is always knocking on the door of our hearts waiting for us to let him in.
---BRYAN on 12/15/13

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I think God is a power so above our reasoning. If he is still paying attention to me, and wasting time on a sinner so far gone like me, then yes he can save anyone.
---Katie on 12/15/13

God can only save those who want to be saved. He can't help someone who refuses help. God helps those who helps themselves. If a person doesn't acknowledge they need help from God, then God can't help. They must first call out to him and he'll be there in the midnight hour. But they must first ask.
---Rebecca_D on 6/3/08

Yes. He can do all things anywhere at anytime.
---Ken on 6/2/08

"God can save people at any point and place in their lives,"

In the words of a song.(o:

"I am just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about Somebody, who can save anybody." Of all the Father has given Him, He has lost none.
---Josef on 6/1/08

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If God cannot save anyone, He is not God. The God of Scripture is Almighty and Soverign and can save anyone, any-time, any-place, anywhere, whenever His chooses.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/08

He forgave & Saved Saul/Paul after all he did to the Christians before he seen the Light or should i say Knocked off his horse and Blinded by it. he he he
God can Save whom Ever he Wants!
I sure God will do what he thinks is right,
His Judgment is Just.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/29/08

As we read in the bible Jesus used a lot of people who others thought were not qualified to carry his word forth. In that case Daniel was in a lion's den, Sampson gained his strenth back, and etc. It takes repentence.
---Senya on 5/28/08

Todd 1, I believe you are so correct in your comments about prisons. It seems to me that when the Holy Spirit begans to work in a person, it happens at a very low point in our lives. At a time when we realize completely we need the Lord. Most testimonies have that. Of course there is some that never go through alot and are born to a Christian family. But the one's which show a bigger change are those who are completely at a lost inside.
---Mark_V. on 5/28/08

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To hell you go, God said it. God is the final judge. And God is the person who does the sentencing. God's justice sends man to hell. The hatred which God has for your sins will send you to hell.The word of God teaches that hell is indeed eternal. [Isa. 66:24]. This holy God.The Bible teaches fire and it is literal. Physical suffering is also a part of the punishment for the lost. Do you believe?>>>Also, there is nothing you can do to save yourselves. Nothing!
---catherine on 5/28/08

I concur with this here reasoning of your's.
---Nana on 5/28/08

M.P. absolutely 100% God can save anyone, anytime, anywhere. Regardless of their past sins. If you are seeking God, I promise, you have not commited the unpardonable sin.
Until your last breath, the Spirit will ALWAYS be whispering to your heart to "follow Him"

In fact, I've heard so many testimonies that start in prison that I'd be inclined to believe being locked up in a prison cell makes it even EASIER for someone to give their life to Christ.
---Todd1 on 5/27/08

Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus is ample proof that God does not head to have someone permission to save them. I believe God has made provision for all to be saved.(Whosoever will), but you and I are know that not all are going to accept. Of course, Jesus knows this also. But he paid the price for all to be saved in order that none would have an excuse not to be saved.
---Mima on 5/27/08

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When Jesus died on the cross it was for everyone..everyone! God does not send people to hell..we send ourselves there..we have a choice.
---melanie on 5/26/08

The Bible teaches all through the New Testament election and predestination. Why we preach,so all who had been appointed to eternal life believed. A must for all Christians: obey the call of God to the work of ministry.... according to His own purposes, unknown to human wisdom, so that a great multitude might be in His eternal kingdom [Rom. 8:29-30].
---catherine on 5/26/08

Rebecca, you contradict yourself, You say first, "God can save anyone, any place, anywhere," and then you say, "the person has to want to be save" If the person has to want to be save, then God cannot save anyone, any place or anywhere. He would have to wait for permission. In other words He cannot save anyone, anyplace anywhere when He wants. If He is not Sovereign, He is not God. It would have been easier for you to say, He can save anyone if you let Him"
---Mark_V. on 5/26/08

Glory hallelujah to the Lord!!!YES YES YES
---mima on 5/26/08

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Absolutely. Time and place are no obstacle to God's saving a human soul. God will do it in His time and just when He knows that person will receive Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
---Helen_5378 on 7/2/07

Oh ofcourse. He saved Paul the apostle. God can bless and favour to whom He chooses to save anytime and any place. and also God can destroy whom He chooses to destroy. God does as He pleases.
---catherine on 7/2/07

Yes God can save anyone, anytime, anyplace and anywhere. But that person must be willing to be saved. God won't save an unwilling person.
---Rebecca_D on 7/1/07

Yes, God can save anyone at anytime. Do you believe that God is the Almighty? It doesn't matter the situation a person might have, God can always change them and save them. Anyone, at anytime can become members of the Body of Christ (or the Church, Christ' Bride)
---Ramon on 7/1/07

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I have preached in jails and led souls to salvation, so yes, God can save those incarcerated. "To where can I go from your spirit? or to where can I escape from your presence? If I ascend up into heaven, you there; if I make my bed in hell, note you." Psalm 139:7,8.
---Eloy on 7/1/07


Is God's arm so short that it cannot save--anywhere?
---Jack on 7/1/07

Yes god can save anyone, no matter what your sins. Pray for guidance
---Tonya on 8/25/06

The next thing anyone saw of that man was that he was sitting clothed and in his right mind and was the object of much fear. And this man was only a picture of what was to come because of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Does that answer your question?
---Linda on 8/24/06

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There once was a demoniac. He was living in the tombs and he cut himself with stones. They would bind him with chains and fetters but he would break loose. He was insane in every sense of the word by today's standard. One day, while just going about his business in the tombs, mutilating himself with the pieces of the broken law, he saw Jesus from afar off and ran to worship Him.
---Linda on 8/24/06

Dan::so as to be Politically Correct a REPENTANT & CONTRITE THIEF.!!!
---Emcee on 8/24/06

Donna .. on you question about arguing. There are many here who passionately hold opposing views, and will claim to (& in fact believe) have received revelation leading to these views.
Who is to judge which person has received the genuine revelation?
Perhaps God has revealed to both, and he wants us to have healthy debate about these things?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/24/06

I believe that God can save anyone at anytime. but the question should be can someone get saved anytime or anywhere? A person can get saved only if God is convicting them first and it can happen anywhere. A person doesn't get saved anytime they want. God is willing to save them but is that person willing to be saved?
---Rebecca_D on 8/24/06

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(5).. I find it a little hard to think that the thief on the cross, or someone in prison could make it untile they have went the process of suffering with Christ and apprehending Christ as Paul talked about. Which could take most of our lives....
---Billy on 8/24/06

(4).. As paul did say, that he died daily, and also he had said

Phil 3:11 If by any means I "MIGHT" ATTAIN unto the resurrection of the dead.
[12] Not AS THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, EITHER WERE ALREADY PERFECT: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus
---Billy on 8/24/06

(3).. It does appear that there is not only a dying process, but also a suffering process, with Christ, that leads to being glorified with him. This isn't just talking about physical death. We must die spiritually.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the LIKENESS of his death, we shall be also in the LIKENESS of his resurrection:

I beleive that the old man being crucified is a process that could take years to accomplish.
---Billy on 8/24/06

(2).. It appears that there is a dying process that leads to a new birth. Are we dead to our selves as soon as we say the sinners prayer?
1Cor 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE DAILY.
1Cor 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; IF SO BE THAT WE SUFFER WITH HIM, THAT WE MAY BE ALSO GLORIFIED TOGETHER.
---Billy on 8/24/06

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Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must THROUGH MUCH TRIBULATION ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

2Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we BE DEAD WITH HIM, we shall also live with him:
[12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
---Billy on 8/24/06

On the contrary MP, the reality of an impending execution may have been what was needed to force a deathrow inmate to confront his/her relationship with God. Only God knows what circumstances are needed for each of us to get His message, and He is fair about us receiving it regardless of the actions of man.
---Benny on 8/5/06

This blog brings up another point, why do we argue on certain questions? If Father God hasn't given a person revelation knowledge on a particular topic, then why argue that you or I or anyone has the truth? I try only to answer if Father has shown me revelation on something. So why do we argue then? Just asking a question, please don't attack me. Thank you.
---Donna9759 on 8/3/06

Carla Faye Tucker was saved whilst waiting on death row and married a prison chaplain. She never denied her guilt and repented for what she had done. Sadly she was still executed by lethal injection. Obviously punishment had to be seen to be done
---f.f. on 8/2/06

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I am also very pleased to see that everyone agrees. This question came to mind after reading the answers regarding capital punishment. Some people in prison awaiting the death penalty could be, and in some cases already have been, saved. By executing them we could be taking away their chance to repent and be saved. Drug dealers in prison have found the Lord after tearing out a page of the bible to roll up their drug for smoking. A murderer I know of is now a Christian minister.
---M.P. on 8/2/06

The first to the gates of Heaven was a thief!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---Dan on 8/2/06

God can save anyone anytime anywhere. What comes to mind is a man who is in jail somewhere in the USA for murder and he got saved in jail. They had the story on television and were talking about a murderer when I looked up to see a face that didn't look like any murderer --- no, praise be to God the "murderer" was born-again. I just cannot recall his name. He was into witchcraft when he committed the crime.
---Helen_5378 on 8/1/06

Yes, and its nice to see everyone agrees and there was no arguing on this one;-)
---deb5863 on 8/1/06

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As long as a person TRULY want's to be saved from the darkness of this world, God said Whosoever will, let him come.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/1/06

YES ofcourse. His amazing grace is too much to comprehend. I ve never grasped it. It makes me cry. He is just sooooooo good!
---pkay on 8/1/06

of course. "Whosoever will come, let him come." Jesus paid the price for his sins."

If that man/woman repents, truly repents and turns their heart and life over to Jesus and starts living the sanctified life, then God will accept him or her into His kingdom. However, like King David, God forgave David for adultery and murder, but he allowed David to suffer the consequences of his sin. That man/woman may never get out of jail, but will go to heaven if he truly repents.
---Donna9759 on 8/1/06

Yes sometimes it takes hitting rock bottom to see how much you need Jesus!
---wes on 8/1/06

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the Word says nothing is impossible with God. He is well able to save anyone, anywhere, at any time; even those who we think are past being saved, God can save them too.
---Debbie on 8/1/06

Yes, of course! I've known plenty of people that have been saved after terrible things they've done or been through. Anywhere from being in jail to being mentally crazy to being in cults to being in another religion to being an aethist. You name it, God can break it! Including drug addiction, molestation, attempted suicide (God intervening), homosexuality...God is all powerful, and can conquer anything of this world.
---Katie on 8/1/06

John 3:16. And the guy on the cross beside Jesus would be proof that anyone can come. And how about Saul (Paul)? He murdered Christians. Isn't it great to know that grace is greater than sin?
---john on 8/1/06

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