Hello! Bro.John.. God bless you.. I saw it the other day & had to rush out 'n now I am have a time (smile) ha! Ha! Anyway you know truth being .. bi-polar and so,learned alot from the Lord all glorydefinitely ONLY to Him Heavenly Father..thankyou John... May the Lord be with you & your family.
---ELENA on 11/13/11|
OOOOPS! Sorry Elena, I meant your post on the "Is Anger a sin blog" not this one.
---John on 10/31/11|
Well, The Church should respect the laws regarding noise levels. I probably would find it annoying, too, if I already wasn't a Christian. But, it depends. And, people are different concerning the level of noise toleration. For example, I cannot stand the vehicles that drive by with those BOOMING BASS SPEAKERS that shake your whole freakin' house and the entire neighbourhood it sits in. And, yet, they get away with it. No law enforcement seems to deal with it. So, by THAT standard, I do find it biased to arrest a loud Church and not, for instance, those with booming car stereos.
---Gordon on 10/31/11|
Elena, your post was very beautiful and G-dly. It was very inspirational for me.
I have had many incidents as you just describe about Satan.
Truely the words of a G-dly woman!
---John on 10/30/11|
Was the music too loud?
If someone comes outside my door and plays any music with a 20kW amp at 3AM, I might call the police too!
If it was just louder than the person wanted, asking the pastor to turn the volume down would be the proper action
What was it?
---James on 10/29/11|
GLAD HE GOT ARRESTED!!!
This is a Horrid, Rude and Disgusting person. Pastor??? No, he did not care about his neighbor or the Civil Laws, And G-ds Law by Willfully and Knowingly breaking the 2nd commandment.
His neighbor likely talked to this party ANIMAL (Emphasis on animal) several times until he left them no choice but to call the cops. Sounds the same as any druggy/college beer drinking party.
NO! IT WAS NO THE TYPE OF MUSIC IT WAS SIMPLY TOO LOUD.
Dont be a naive' Christian.
---John on 10/28/11|
Wow!Hello!Family, first time I heard of a Pastor arrested or anyone for Christian music! I am a gospel singer(free for God!) since a child 1962 fell in love with yes! Praises shout'n to our wonderfull God...Let me get this right 1.Take prayer out of the schools2.Don't be praying on school,gov't bldgs.3.Don't even mention religion words in public libraries.(found out few months ago) yes! Satan comes to kill,steal,lie..Etc... We need to be praying for that Pastor keep praising God! And yes! I would gladly give up snacks or whatever helpwith sound proof walls... And let me join you all choir! Freely give,shall receive! all love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 10/25/11|
A great invention ear plugs. However, you are promoting Christ not just making noise.
---Scott1 on 10/25/11|
I think the church exist within a society and we have to take a look at what the laws of the society say. I believe in the right of exercising our faith but then again a church in a residential area will definitely have issues with people who don,t want to be disturbed. So it is either the church tries to be considerate by reducing the volume of its speakers or move out of the neighborhood. A technical way to handle it, is by stationing your speakers inside and not outside. Love is patient. Wisdom is profitable for all things.
---adeba5968 on 10/23/11|
I'm a lifelong atheist yet I used to play bass in a praise band, in a catholic church, because I wanted that "stage" presence in my early years. When I first started playing bass guitar at this church my amp was an old Fender bass amp with a 12 inch sub. It sounded cool and you could feel the vibrations real good. Later I graduated to a used Ampeg bass amp my friend sold to me at an unbelievably low price. The Ampeg had two huge 20 inch subs in the giant cabinet. I remember even at half volume I could hear items on the churches' alter buzzing and vibrating as I played. The church windows would rattle like mad, too. People complained, so did the pastor of the church. I joined an atheist band after that gig.
---Glenn on 10/23/11|
Need I remind you that it is not God's people who has the problems or is causing all the problems in todays world. No, it is the unbelievers, it is godless people, who's causing all the problems, today. Hallelujah, thank You Jesus. Let me clue you in on a secret: God is going to one day bring a lot of trouble down upon the godless....Now, that's a GREAT secret. You had better be heeding to this! Ah Jesus.+
---catherine on 10/3/10|
NOBODY has the right to disturb their neighbors, especially God's people! Loud music doesn't honor God, it insults him. Churches should obey the laws
---Jim on 10/2/10|
People tend to forget, of course, most don't believe---Satan owns nothing. People own nothing. God owns everything---for He is Creator of heaven abd earth, and everything therein.
---catherine on 9/15/10|
You better be praising God. You need Him, more than you need anyone, who does not know what's up or what's down, although I know we all think that we do. We are all running around like a bunch of dead chickens with our heads cut off. If you don't praise God you will be found guilty of praising Satan. Ahh. God looks down upon us shaking His head. "For I am the living God who has all the answers to lifes little woes". For all of our woes are little to God..... MY GOD IS BIG, MY GOD IS BIG, MY GOD IS BIG. O little man, My God is big. O little man. Ahh Jesus+
---catherine on 9/14/10|
"Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edge sword be in their hand" [Psalm 150] All about cymbals and instruments. Now, we know cymbals are loud. All I can say is this, cops better be careful who they are laying their impiety hands on. Judgment day, is certainly for wicked men in power,too. There are ogles of Scriptures. If we must put-up with wicked men and their rotten sins be flaunted in God's face and ours, but, they cannot put-up now and then our praises and worship as we see fit, then they can just jump into a lake of fire, right now. Before you dare quote another Scripture on loving thy neighbor, you should know, we are to alway put God first before mere humans.
---catherine on 9/14/10|
Jesus said "Love one another" playing loud music is not supporting this Golden Rules. Perhaps the best thing to do is to convert your church building into a Sound Proof Building so that your church can enjoy their loud music and sermons at any time they want to. Let's make peace thru religion not war. The Foundation of Religion is Love and Unity. Your Jesus said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is one principle" People complaining about your loud music is not against you beliefs or you as followers of Christ - is about Disturbance of Peace. .Matt.4:24. Jesus said" God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
---Richard on 9/12/10|
Loud music is loud music.
be it christians, or secular.
In this contry, no one has the right to disturd the peace, not even in Jesus name.
---francis on 3/1/10|
catherine -- I didn't say anything about "us causing all the loudness Or troubles in the land."
When the children of Iseal were commanded to shout to the Lord, they did not have sound systems to make themselves louder. All I did was suggest that the sound system be turned down.
---Donna66 on 2/28/10|
MarkV you are exactly right. The witness of Christ is key here not our rights. Rights is not a biblical concept for Jesus never demanded his own even unto death.
Church music is often too loud for parishoners nevermind neighbors down the street. Christians should abide by the laws until the law says "no praise"
---larry on 2/28/10|
This is to Donna66>>>God's people has a Blood bought right to be lead by His spirit. We are suppose to shout His glory all over this world. Satan's people are so busy doing the devil's work and most of you are LOUD in doing it. I have heard loud ungodly music coming through my walls in an apartment I was renting. I did nothing about it. Again, God owns the world, not you nor I. Stop telling God's people what to do. This is God's job. Anyone who arrests any of God's people for praising Him is asking, no begging trouble from God. There are more of the ungodly than the godly, so, there is noway that we could be causing all the loudness. Or troubles in the land.
---catherine on 2/28/10|
catherine -- In this case the "godless laws" are nevertheless fair. If your neighbor plays loud "heavy metal" (for example) regularly and for prolonged periods, would you be amiss to ask him to turn down the volume?
---Donna66 on 2/27/10|
F.F, my answer is that the pastor was wrong. He has to abide by the law. Even though people, like the neighbors are not saved, they deserve their rights. Many might need to sleep because of a midnight shift, others for different reasons. The Church should be doing the singing within the Church. If it does not, then it brings bad witness to the church and to all believers.
---MarkV. on 2/27/10|
I dare these godless laws to be enforced. I am sure since we, God's people, must put-up with too much from the devil and his people, and since God owns everything and everyone. Do you get my drift?
The drift saying loud obnoxious in name of God?
only BLIND cannot see this one-sided "drift"
rock music and other people who ABUSE their neighbors with LOUD noise of any kind they cannot do this ....yet if it is done in "name of Christ" it's okay?
all people are FROM God the devil created NOBODY ...Satans sway has many people believing LIES
hypocrite suggest LOUD religious music is "better than" other types of loud noise making disturbance of the peace a religious right
---Rhonda on 2/27/10|
We, God's people, puts up with too much of what Satan's people, do! I dare these godless laws to be enforced. I am sure since we, God's people, must put-up with too much from the devil and his people, and since God owns everything and everyone. Do you get my drift? The Bible says, "that man passes laws to hurt my people". And I say, "this must STOP"....How come? Because, God own everything. Creator. Thank You Jesus. Have a good weekend, everyone.
---catherine on 2/26/10|
If this was the Colonial Hills Church, Southaven MS, it concerned the youth meetings that lasted til 10 p.m., and seemed like a reasonable complaint. But, there have been situations wherein neighbors complain because they moved in next to a church with the expectation of no noise, or were offended by the word. Here in Mexico, some Pentecostal churches believe that (very) loud music and a shouted message is powerful, and that their neighbors will hear the service and come in to repent of their sins. It doesn't work!
p.s. the separation of Church and State advocates were silent here.
2p.s. Fun time youth meetings don't produce disciples.
---Glenn on 2/23/10|
It seems reasonable that to me that since the situation is a church service and that means the loudness of the music was not a single occasion. That would also mean that the neighbours would have complain before. The pastor would have been aware of thdisturbance hhe and his church were causing.
Those who profess to be christians must not merely speak the Gospel of Peace, they must live it.
---Janze on 2/21/10|
Church music should be a vehicle by which the Holy Spirit DRAWS the neighbors to the church. If the music REPULSES the neighbors, then the church is at variance with the Holy Spirit and should be ashamed.
---jerry6593 on 2/17/10|
Something is really wrong here. I do not know all of the circumstances but I do think that worship should bring glory to God and He would not want us to annoy people. If our worship is disruptive to the lives of the folks in the community, then it is unGodly. Noise is noise and if it's hurting the ears of people then they will be controlled by the Authorities. We are not called to break the reasonable laws of the land.
---jody on 2/16/10|
The loudness they are complaining of is certainly not that of the human voice, which does not carry that well. The problem is, no doubt, the sound system, which can easily be turned down some.
I know that the current trend is to play Christian music fully as loud as a rock concert! But being forced to listen, may not be something the neighbors like at all.
Ignoring the complaints of neighbors is not a good way to witness to them. This church can claim their "rights"... or consider others first and turn down the volume some. Perhaps they could call it a "sacrifice of praise".
For if their praise is genuine, The Holy Spirit will make their worship wonderful at any volume.
---Donna66 on 2/15/10|
PRAISE MUSIC IS NEITHER!!!
Musically it is reruns of artist who could not make it any other genre. Cheap IMITATIONS of Beatles, Paul Simon etc. No talent!
You know when you see these people waving their hand in church so that everyone can see how "HOLY" they are. THEY ARE NOT WAVING THEIR HANDS TO GOD, BUT ARE WAVING IT TO THE MUSIC ONLY! WHY??? Do you ever see these "HOLY" people waving their hands with Hymnals? NO!
You see the same Hand Waving at any Paul Mc Cartney Concert
And when you see them jumpinmg up and down in the seats. It is because of the Drum beat only. Just like the African tribes.
TOTAL FAKE PHONY BALONEYS! PRETENDING TO BE DEEP! LOL!
---James on 2/16/10|
Where in the Bible does it state that music is not allowed in church? One of the bloggers stated this.....that's a new one on me....read Psalms 150
---Kenny on 2/15/10|
I don't think they should have arrested the pastor. He should have been given a warning,first. It could be worse things going on that neighborhood. But satan is busy 24/7. But we as Christians do have a duty to obey the laws of the land, also. Police officers,judges and so forth ,or to uphold the law, at all cost. But they cannot stop us from worshipping and praising our mighty God,for sure. God even knows our thoughts. Hallelujah!
---Robyn on 4/25/09|
music does not make one faithful and obedient to God ...false ministers want you to believe this
many false ministers are subject to swollen head syndrome ...power goes to their heads ...they think they will be noticed ...making life miserable for everyone around their church hoping controversy they create can be used to THREATEN the neighbors with an idea that their "rights to worship" have been taken from them
LOUD music is NOT worship
praise the police for keeping the peace in this neighborhood so it is ENJOYABLE for all who live their ...and locking up the minister of this church who wishes to destroy peace in the name of their "god"
---Rhonda on 4/25/09|
Betty: "If it really happened, it was not right. Churches ought not be blamed for praising God."
Music is not allowed in a church according to the bible. A "church" service is to be peaceful and orderly. I'm not saying you cannot use music outside of "church" for praising God.
"Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak." (1 Corinthians 8:9)
Besides, the church is not a building, a non-profit corporation, or a denomination - it is people.
---Steveng on 4/24/09|
If it really happened, it was not right. Churches ought not be blamed for praising God.
---Betty on 4/24/09|
The Bible tells us to be subject to the laws and rulers over us.
Telling the church to turn down the volume is different then telling them they can not worship.
I have been in churches with excessive volume, and I have had my hearing damaged by them.
Since I was not there I can not say for sure, but if the neighbors were complaining, it had to be way too loud.
Disturbing the peace is a poor testimony. If a church wants to reach people, it first has to get them to come inside. Once there it has a responsibility to see that their hearing is not damaged as a result.
---obewan on 4/22/09|
Disturbing the peace: This is one law the police really do abuse. If these wicked men are bent on silencing God's people, this is the law they can always use... . So they think! All they have is flesh, but we have the Spirit of God. Sure the wicked man has the law on their side, but we have God on our side, and heaven to look forward to. All the wicked man has is hell to look forward to, in all of their pride. God's people had better learn that we are here to please God and not man. We do put up with the wicked man's worship of their gods. Throwing their sins right in our faces... If the wicked man would quite down of their worship of the devil, then God's people would discuss the issues. Ofcourse we know this is never going to happen. Cont.
---catherine on 4/22/09|
Cont.... on praise and worship. In John 4 Jesus states that God is seeking worshipers. No longer confined to a particular place [A very good point for all these Sunday church goers]. Anytime you are in obedience, you are worshiping God. And the devil cannot stand this. He wants everyone....worshiping him, obeying him, And I say yuk to him.... Note: Obedient response---to God's will is vital to genuine worship. And is based upon a spiritual relationship between the worshiper and God through faith in Jesus Christ [Phil. 3:3].... So I say let the wicked man do what they do in praising, and worshiping the devil, and God's people will keep lifting their voices and honoring the one true God, the Creator of the wicked man's god or gods.
---catherine on 4/22/09|
Having music so loud, how could they ever hear the whispers of God?
---Steveng on 4/21/09|
Music should be no louder than 85 dB, which means being able to hear one another speaking at arm's length, otherwise you damage the hearing of your brothers and sisters in Christ. (I have finally discovered that the tinatas I suffer from (early stages of deafness) has come from loud music in church. My wife has also developed hearing problems for the same reason.
---James on 4/21/09|
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About 8-9 years ago, I lived across the street from a big building that was purchased by a church. The "singing" starting at about 9am and lasted until 9-10 at night, with the volumn as loud as they could get it. It wouldn't have been that bad, except they literally could not carry a tune.....
---NurseRobert on 11/3/08|
Eloy ... You are so right!
On Sunday, I went to a friends church, and the music was so loud I alsomst had to walk out!
---alan_of_UK on 11/3/08|
Some people mistake "loud" to being "spiritual", but it is not. Increased volumn is not increased anointing, but it is only noise. Very loud music can have similar effects as very loud yelling. Also, some people have come from abusive backgrounds, and the last thing they need when entering a holy sanctuary is more yelling. Truly my God is very repulsed and finds it rude for a preacher to be yelling at him or his sheep. Jesus did not cry out, nor raise his voice, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. Isaiah 42:2+ Matthew 12:14-21.
---Eloy on 11/3/08|
If you have noticed, music is a tender subject with me. If your music was so loud that the neighbors could hear it, then it was too loud for church. Why didn't the authorities just ask the pastor to lower the volume? Why did they have to arrest him? If they arrested him without giving him a chance, that doesn't say much for the authorities.
---shira on 11/2/08|
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Obviously this community has a noise ordinance and to disobey that is a bad testimony. Preaching the Word does not preclude obeying the laws of the community.
---Madison1101 on 4/27/07|
Early June this year, the most silent faculty member in our department reached his wits end over the VERY LOUD PRAYER and the VERY LOUD SONGS OF PRAISE from born-again Christians in our University. Between 4:00 PM to 5:30 PM, while classes are going on this group sang to the top of their voices and prayed in chorus. This group had been warned that they are disturbing classes. The most senior faculty of the department shouted at them asking them "Is your God Deaf?"
---Linda6546 on 8/12/06|
**Why didn't the authorities just ask the pastor to lower the volume? Why did they have to arrest him?**
Does anyone here know the FULL story?
Had the pastor in fact been warned about keeping things down?
What are the circumstances?
(I admit it might be hard to tell the full story in just 85 words.)
---Jack on 8/3/06|
2. If it were so loud outside the church I cannot imagine what it sounded like inside. Not a place I would like to be actually. I don't think that this behaviour will encourage any in the locality to join the church either.
---f.f. on 8/3/06|
Apparantly this took place at Colonial Hills church, Highway 51, Southaven. That might mean something to some of you. It was the Student Ministry Pastor who was arrested. The affidavit alleges the church played excessively loud music from 7 pm to 10 pm several nights a week. No doubt some parents would have been unable to settle their children to sleep because of this. I think we should consider the feelings of others even though we would prefer that they join us in church.
---f.f. on 8/3/06|
It seems kind of extreme to arrest him regardless the reason someone complained, unless he failed to consider the complaint the first couple times. Anyways, what it comes down to is if you are not considerate to others and live peaceably among them to the best of your ability, it doesn't matter how "Christian" the music is because your actions fail to be an example.
---Katie on 8/3/06|
I used to be a member of a church that had such loud music that the cars would be jumping in the parking lot. Well, almost. LOL. I could not tolerate the loud noise - it hurt my ears and I could feel my breast bone vibrating. They refused to lower the decibels, so I stayed outside until the preaching started. I loved the preaching.
---Gena8493 on 8/3/06|
Even though the Bible says to make a loud noise that wouldn't give anyone the excuse to cause such a disturbance that they would be arrested. What a terrible testimony to the very people who should have been won by it.
---john on 8/3/06|
Maybe it WAS too loud.
I don't know the noise ordinances of this particular location.
But if the neighbors said so, maybe it was.
I don't think this should feed into persecution paranoia.
---Jack on 8/3/06|
I don't think we have enough information about the incident it properly evaluate it. How large are church grounds, how close are neighbors, What day of the week and time of day did it occur. What was the decibel level of the sound. Not to mention the exact wording of the ordinance that was allegedly violated.
---notlaw99 on 8/3/06|