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Extrabiblical Terms Unbiblical

Does anyone see the problem with the term "Accept Jesus into your heart." Isn't it Jesus who accepts us as His disciples? Why have extrabiblical terms been allowed to enter the body like: Once saved always saved, Personal Savior, Age of accountability, Rapture, etc?

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I think that the term "personal savior" refers to the fact that Jesus is a person. This is in contrast with some eastern religions that believe that the divine is not a person, but rather an impersonal force (much like in Star Wars).
---StrongAxe on 3/13/08


"Although the term is not in the Bible, we born-again people knows this to be the truth."

Whenever I hear statements like this, alarms go off in my head.

Many cults insist on doctrines that they know aren't in the Bible, yet they also "know them to be true".
---StrongAxe on 3/13/08

Come on now. I liked the question until you came to the Rapture. Although the term is not in the Bible, we born-again people knows this to be the truth.>>>The Rapture. the Latin term rapio, which means to "Snatch away or carry off" is the source of the English word. See>> 1 Thess. 4:15-17. Also John 14:1-3 and 1 Cor. 15:51-52. 1 Thess. 4:17.God taking the church out of the world instantaneously.
---catherine on 3/13/08

Unbiblical terms are they right or wrong? Thats a good question. Some want Jesus to be our sunday, but God said HE is our rest. Some want Jesus to be our easter, but God said HE is our Passover,our Atonement our First Fruits. So is what we are doing right?
---mike on 3/13/08

Don't foreget that the very word "Bible" is found nowhere in the text itself.
---Jack on 3/13/08

Christ is not a personal savior to anyone, He is the savior of the world, He died for all sins, and in the end He will bring everyone to himself and hand all to the Father. Every knee shall bow and every tounge confess. He is no more anyone's "personal savior" then I have a "personal wife."
---Ryan_Z on 3/13/08

Great questions! The reason is because of the great deception Satan has done by the writings of non-eyewitnesses being placed into the New Testament.
---Dr.Rich on 3/12/08

I find the very title of this blog to be amusingly ironic.

To wit: The words "extrabiblical" and "unbiblical" do not occur anywhere in the bible - so they are, themselves, extrabiblical.

If one believes that extrabiblical terms are also unbiblical, then they should immediately throw these words out! (which makes the whole argument self-contradictory on its face).
---StrongAxe on 3/12/08

As for the extrabiblical terms it is a way of expressing our interpretations of the scriptures. Jesus IS my personal Savior, and I won't ever stop proclaiming that, but in saying that I'm not insinuating that he only died for me, and no one else. I'm personalizing it is all. Do you think maybe you are making a non-issue an issue here? Sometimes figure of speech becomes a universal term because most understand the purpose and meaning of it.
---Katie on 3/11/08

Jesus stands at the door and knocks. We are to open the door and let him in. The Holy Spirit woos us to himself, but it is our choice whether to follow him or not. By using this term it does not indicate that we have become saved in our own strength, but simply we have chosen to accept his grace in our lives.
---Katie on 7/27/07

Ryan I agree with you on this count (although we can agree to disagree on the earlier points). Shira perhaps you misunderstand what "unequally yoked" means -- we are not to be mired in relationships with unbelievers e.g. marriage or business that might require us to compromise our obedience to God. But I do not see anything wrong with befriending unbelievers. It is in fact necessary to do so in order to bring them to a saving knowledge of our Lord.
---Benny on 8/8/06

shira, I do not go out into the world with my unbelieving friends and commit iniquity. How are we to BE Salt & Light if we never associate with those who need it most? Didn't Jesus come for the sinner? As far as my association. I am not associated to a denomination or any man made thing I am associated to a living God through His Holy Spirit.
---Ryan on 8/8/06

Ryan, I have a question for you? You say you are not associated with any denomination. So to what are you associated? You say you have homosexual friends. Don't the bible teach us to be equally yoked? Doesn't it say come out from among them and be seperate? How do you justify these things? Just wondering.
---shira on 8/7/06

Benny, I believe the Hoy Bible to be the complete work of God. We are not to add to it. Reading the bilble, to me, is not trying to create clever sayings to explain concepts but to absorb the Spirit, wisdom, meat, truth and maturity that it offers. Many catchy sayings seem to bring more strife and dissention than unity. We may all be unified in what God says, not man. I wouldn't call it legalism I would suggest "hungering and thirsting for righteousness. or seeking."
---Ryan on 8/7/06

Ryan...I do think that "Accept Jesus into your heart", has misled many to think they are saved. The Bible does not use that language. We are justified by His Blood, and saved "BY HIS LIFE", That would be His risen life. (Read 1 Corinthians Ch 15). If we are to use "Accept", it must be followed by the rest of the Gospel, Crucified with Christ, burried with Him, and raised up together with Him. Romans 6-8. One of coarse must know he is a sinner,in need of a Savior.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/06

Ryan, some "extra/non-biblical terms" are actually shorthand for what the Bible teaches, such as Trinity or Incarnation or Hypostatic Union.

But others, I admit, are just Christian duckspeak--buzz words and catch phrases repeated without much thought so frequently people think they are in the Bible.
---Jack on 8/6/06

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Ryan: I think what Debbie means by "everyone" or "anyone" are/is believers. Obviously the unsaved won't know what we are talking about. On the other hand, if you are suggesting that only a super-elect group of believers, presumably those who use ultra-proper terminology, know what they are talking about, then you may be straying into legalism. I urge you to turn your eyes to the things that are important to Him.
---Benny on 8/6/06

#2 When you are communicating with some one and they are using terms, in your opinion, are not totally Scriptural, but you agree on the meaning behind the term, and if you should refuse to accept what they are saying because of the terms used, aren't you turning into a legalist instead of reacting in grace.
---Debbie on 8/6/06

#1 I personally prefer to use the correct termonology, but sometimes in communicating with someone that is not as well versed in the Word, you have to talk about Spiritual matters in a language they understand. The words used may seem foolishness to some, but the precepts and the Truth of the precepts are never foolishness to those who believe.
---Debbie on 8/6/06

Amen to that Debbie. Praise God for the serious feeding your flock must be getting :).
---Benny on 8/6/06

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MikeM, in reference to this statement:
"The puratins who killed and burned all spoke flowingly about love, as did mot in th RCC and those in protestant history."
What they said and what they did were in opposition of each other. We are defined by what we do not what we say.
The wife of a very good friend of mine is a witch. I do not wish to kill her I wish only to BE Salt & Light to her. I have homosexual friends, I do not wish to kill them I only wish to BE Salt & Light to them.
---Ryan on 8/6/06

We do not come to Christ for His acceptance through Methodist, Evangelical, Catholic, Apostolic or any other such man made names. It is not the doctrines of these bodies that define us as Christians. It is the BECOMING of Salt & Light and production of good fruit that defines us as children of God.
---Ryan on 8/6/06

Wasn't it Paul the apostle that wrote:
1Cr 1:12-13 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
---Ryan on 8/6/06

MikeM, I love you brother I see you have difficulty with me because you cannot put me into a box such as: Methodist or Baptist or any other such qualification that man has created. What did Paul or Peter or Simon call themselves?
---Ryan on 8/6/06

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MikeM, I have no desire to kill witches or homosexuals nor do I believe we should stone rebellious children. What people say and what they do are often two different things.
---Ryan on 8/6/06

MikeM, if loving God with all my heart, mind and strength and loving my neighbor as myself; if believing that Jesus is the King of King's and Lord of Lords; if believing in the trinity GOd the father, Son & Holy Spirit are all the same; if hungering and thirsting for His truth and righteousness; if Being Salt & Light and producing good fruit; if all these things qualify me as a gnostic, than I guess I am. The bible would put the title of child of God, or Christian on me & that is what I call myself.
---Ryan on 8/6/06

MikeM, no the concept of democracy is not of God. When was the last time God gave us anything to vote on? Did we vote for Jesus? Do we vote God into office? Has God divided his system of government into executive, legislative and judicial branches? Does he have two houses in His legislative branch to create His laws? God did not establish a representative republic as His form of government. God's government is a THEOCRACY.
---Ryan on 8/6/06

Debbie, if most everyone knows what we are talking about because of these terms than they are not spiritual terms. The things of the Spirit are foolishness to the flesh.
---Ryan on 8/6/06

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#3 They always asked if they had been filled with the Spirit since they were saved. Most christians use the term being baptized in the Spirit when actually they were filled. Is this something to get upset about, I don't think so. I know what really happened, God knows what happened, and the guy who got filled really knows what happened. We all know it is of God and He wants everyone to be filled whether they call it filled or being baptized in the Spirit. Let's ease up on each other and show some grace.
---Debbie on 8/5/06

#2 It is true, the word rapture is not in the Bible, but how many understand what catching away or the out-resurrection means. The important thing is that the right Godly principles are being taught. Just as there was only one baptism; it happened on the day of Pentecost when the 120 were baptized in to the Body of Christ. After that Day, you won't find any of the apostles asking if someone had been baptized in the Spirit since they were saved.
---Debbie on 8/5/06

#1 The reason these terms are so widely used concerning certain bibical precepts is because when talking with most anyone, they will know what you are talking about. We have to remember that we are no longer under the law, God is not standing over us with a club, waiting for us to mess up. I think the terminology isnt as important to Him as getting the precept right. The word is alive not matter what terms are used.
---Debbie on 8/5/06

Benny--Right. Many translations of the Bible are in languages besides English. When Scripture is translated for primitve tribes in Borneo (for example) all available synonyms in their language for the word "Savior" may be puzzling or misleading to the people. Sometimes a phrase expesses it best.A phrase comes to represent a whole "concept".Same in English. Some "unbiblical" phrases allow us to discuss God's word without quoting whole chapers. And it's OK to do so.
---Donna7722 on 8/5/06

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Ryan- You are now no enigma. You are a gnostic, easily identifiable as one, the view of, everyone is their own church.' Not being endoctrinated by man? Sorry, that comes off as being smug. Everyone says they are led by the Holy Spirit,the results of their faith tell if that is really true.
---MikeM on 8/5/06

Ryan: "This is due to the fact I was not brought up in any form of organized religion. I am blessed that I have not been endoctrinated by man."

Sorry Ryan, but you were heavily influenced by the fundamentalist culture of the country you live in. Your "objectivity" is an illusion that can very easily become a stumbling block of pride.
---augusta on 8/5/06

Ryan-so the concept of democracy is not of God, then what type of civil would be of God? Unless one is a recluse, or Amish one must live in this fallen world, so what form of civil goverment? You speak of love, yet the Bible clearly says 'Do not suffer a witch to live." And mandates killing homosexuals. The puratins who killed and burned all spoke flowingly about love, as did mot in th RCC and those in protestant history.
---MikeM on 8/5/06

**However when given the criteria to be a disciple and enter the kingdom the young man was unable to do so. **

How many here are willing to follow these conditions Jesus gave?

Compare Jesus's command with the Prosperity Gospel.
---Jack on 8/5/06

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If we see this as a problem, then the fact that we are conversing about the Bible in English is already a major problem. To be perfectly and pedantically correct, nobody but Biblical scholars would know God's Word. I don't think Jesus intended for us to worry about linguistic niceties.
---Benny on 8/5/06

I agree with Katie when she says you seem to be making an issue out of a non-issue. I also agree with her when she reminds us that Jesus 'stands at the door and knocks'. Jesus is the 'personal saviour' to all individuals who accept Him. There is no group or family salvation. He died for each of us as individuals so it is very personal. Regarding the other phrases you quote Ryan, many believe they are implied in scripture though worded differently.
---M.P. on 8/5/06

alan8869_of_UK-The second scripture that answers your question is:
Mat 22:14 "For many are called, but few {are} chosen."
Who is doing the choosing? What are they chosen to be? We must be disciples of Christ. Mathetes 1) a learner, pupil, disciple
Isn't this word "disciple" the root of our english word "Discipline"?
---Ryan on 8/5/06

alan8869_of_UK-In this story we see the wealthy young man accepted who Jesus is and he believed in what Jesus had to offer. However when given the criteria to be a disciple and enter the kingdom the young man was unable to do so. Jesus could not ACCEPT him. Just as today we cannot be accepted by Jesus if we are not willing to submit to His criteria.
---Ryan on 8/5/06

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alan8869_of_UK-But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property. And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
---Ryan on 8/5/06

alan8869_of_UK-And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." The young man *said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go {and} sell your possessions and give to {the} poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
---Ryan on 8/5/06

alan8869_of_UK- The answer to your questiion lies in two areas of scripture.
1)Mat 19:16-23 And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is {only} One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." {Then} he *said to Him, "Which ones?"
---Ryan on 8/5/06

MikeM-They may be in sin but that does not give me the excuse to not love them. As far as your statements about earths age and movement in the cosmos I'm not sure of what point you are attempting to make, so I cannot address them.
---Ryan on 8/5/06

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Governments of the secular world are just that, secular. I don't know that I would call democracy or the concept of democracy evil but it certainly is not of God. You say ultrafundamentallis would lead to burning withches and killing homosexuals. As I stated before I am led by the Spirit how than could I condone actions that are not founded in love.
---Ryan on 8/5/06

MikeM-In refrence to your statements I know I am an enigma to you. This is due to the fact I was not brought up in any form of organized religion. I am blessed that I have not been endoctrinated by man. I do not adhere to a title like Protestant, Methodist, Evangelical, Catholic, etc. I am simply a Christian a child of God that is led by the Holy Spirit of God and I seek His truth and righteousness.
---Ryan on 8/5/06

katie-As far as the saying "Personal Savior" this does not appear anywhere in the word of God. Jesus is the savior of the world. In refrence to talking about your family would you say you have a "Personal son", or "A personal husband/wife". The term itself is not harmful but it allows for a mindset that we can invent terms and than teach these terms as if they were in the bible. Jesus has two distinct titles Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
---Ryan on 8/4/06

katie-This is what I am addressing here. People are being taught a watered-down gospel and sticking to man made sayings and not investing time in the word of God to mature their souls. Concepts like "all you have to do is believe" have permeated the body and millions do not discover that becoming a Christian is a process. This is a result of the father of lies.
---Ryan on 8/4/06

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Katie-Thank you for your well tought out response. Let me answer why I belive the teachings of extrabiblical teachings are an issue.
Satan is the father of lies, this we know from the bible. His tactic is very subtle. He mixes elements of truth with lies and makes things apper correct. Look at what he did to Eve in the garden of Eden. The result of his work are extrabiblical sayings that appear correct or look good or even appear that they may be in the word but we know they are not.
---Ryan on 8/4/06

Ryan ... where does the Bible actually say "Jesus accepts us as His disciples"
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/4/06

Every religious group develops its own unique jargon. I note Ryans theology is unique, as what 'brand' of protestantism has not been stated. If one goes the other extreme, ultrafundamentalist, excluding all extrabiblical terms then one could not be a protestant, witch's would have to be burned, democracy would be evil, the earth would not move, the earth would only be 6,000 years old, and homosexuals would have to be killed.
---MikeM on 8/4/06

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