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Can We Become Sinless

If people can become sinless, what was the point of Jesus being crucified?

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The short answer is: No we will never be sinless on this Earth.Jesus Christ came to redeem us from our sins. He did not come to condemn us. We have to die in order to gain Heaven, if we have been born again and our name is in the book of life. Flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven. Our glorified bodies will be dead bodies. Spirit bodies. According to the Word of God.
---Robyn on 8/3/10

Jesus's blood washes our sins away, and then Jesus fills us with His Holy Spirit, and that is the only way we can begin to learn how to live righteously in the flesh. Otherwise, there is no way to overcome the flesh, but by His Spirit! Amen!
---Bryan on 2/7/09

Richa, Very good response.
---duane on 2/5/09

No person on earth can become sinless on their own. The fact is, no christian is sinless on their own. When God sees a saint, He doesn't see our righteousness by our works. He sees us covered by the atoning blood of His perfect sacrifice,Jesus. Romans 7 talks about the struggle we have in our sinful flesh. As we know our flesh will never be saved because it's contaminated by sin. That's why God will give us sinless glorified bodies when He comes for His bride. God has given us the power over sin through Jesus. We're made perfect by His sacrifice, not of our own works or righteousness. God will only see our righteousness as filthy rags.
---richa4946 on 2/4/09

Nana, what does this response to my post mean? It was a definition of what Imputation means: You are opposing imputation for the simple reason of opposing me and in the process you compromise what Christ did for us. His imputed righteousness, His death on our behalf. He died instead for our sins. His death was imputed to us. You are willing to speak agains imputation on account you don't like what I write. I thought you were over that. I mentioned to True Dog, it was hard to tell the different split personalities of people here, don't know which one will appear from day to day.
---MarkV. on 2/4/09

Mr Matthew George Easton misses the boat in his definition of imputation:
1: Ezequiel 18:2: "What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel."
2: Christ's righteousness imputed to the believer? He would not had said, "go and sin no more".
3: Our sins imputed to Christ? Why Paul declares: Rom 12 :1:"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."?
---Nana on 2/4/09

Imputation by God's standards is not hard to understand if the Spirit guides you unto all Truth. Imputation is used to designate any action or word or thing as reckoned to a person. Thus in doctrinal language
1. The sin of Adam is imputed to all his descendants, i.e., it is reckoned as theirs, and they are dealt with therefore as guilty,
2. The righteousness of Christ is imputed to them that believe in Him, or so attributed to them as to be considered their own,
3 Our sins are imputed to Christ i.e. He assumed our "law -place," undertook to answer the demands of justice for our sin. In all these cases the nature of imputation is the same. Read Romans 5:12-19 and Philemon 1:18,19 for examples.
---MarkV. on 2/3/09

Caleb Burge, says: "If the sentiment be, that Christ's righteousness is transferred to the believer so as to become his righteousness, it is believed to be utterly, without foundation, Righteousness, as well as sin, must be entirely a personal thing, in such a sense that it cannot be transferred... Essentially it consists in his love to God and other beings, and is as unalienably his, as is any attribute of his nature. Is it even possible that the actions which Christ performed while here on earth, in which his righteousness in part consists, should be so transferred from him to believers as to become actions which they have performed?"
---TRU-DOG on 2/2/09

Moses Stuart, says: "How can it be consistent now, that we should denounce others in severe terms, who, in order to make out their favourite tenets, do on any occasion superinduce a meaning upon the sacred text which will support their own peculiar views, and yet we ourselves, who thus readly denouce this practice in others, do the very same thing in respect to the passage before us where no declaration is at all made, that the evils resulting from Adam's sin, or the benefits bestowed by Christ's obedience, are by imputation?"
---TRU-DOG on 2/2/09

Charles G. Finney, says: But if Christ owed personal obedience to the moral law, then his obedience could no more than justify himself. It can never be imputed to us. He was bound for himself to love God with all his heart, and soul, and mind, and strength, and his neighbor as himself. He did no more than this. He could do no more. It was naturally impossible, then, for him to obey in our behalf. This doctrine of the imputation of Christ's obedience to the moral law to us, is based upon the absurd assumptions.
---TRU-DOG on 2/1/09

Caleb Burge, says: If by Christ's righteousness being imputed to believers for their justification, be not meant that his righteousness is so transferred to them as to become their righteousness, but that God views and represents them as righteous, by virtue of the righteousness of Christ, then the inquiry which arises is, whether God do not view and represent things precisely as they are? Can he view things any otherwise than as they are in reality? If he can, what evidence have we that he does not view the bread and wine used in the sacramental supper as being the real body and blood of Christ? And if he ever represent any thing different from what it really is, what ground can there be for confidence in his representations?
---TRU-DOG on 1/31/09

The only thing that we can lose our salvation for, is the one thing we could possibly lose that gave us salvation. What is that one thing?...
Not your works, not your sins. Nothing.... Just keep trusting(faith) in HIM alone.
---duane on 1/26/09

Ooops! Let's look at this: "however, if our heart is not penitent and sincere, God will not be forgiving, and you will go to hell, if you are not converted again."---This was an incomplete thought, and is contradictory to the first part of my statement, it should read, "however, if we make a conscious choice to do wrong, and our heart is not penitent and sincere, God will not be forgiving, and you will go to hell, if you are not converted again."
---TRU-DOG on 1/26/09

Alan, again thanks for clearing me up. I did take a moment to think and consider what you had said concerning the blogs. It was my error not True Dogs.
Concerning evolution, I don't have a problem with creation at all. I give my opinion and verses on a subject, like Adam and Eve, the fall, and many thing connected to creation, but I am careful that I don't ever go against Scripture just because something we don't understand. I take God at His word. If I don't understand something maybe God will reveal it to me before I die, and if He does reveal it to me then I can comment on it with a clear conscience it is correct.
---MarkV. on 1/26/09

MarkV, It's all good!
---TRU-DOG on 1/25/09

Tru-Dog~ This last post of yours is excellent!...Yes, God knows if we our hearts are truly sincere, contrite, and penitent. We can't fool God most certainly.
---Anne on 1/25/09

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The Christian perfection is about the heart, which is the intent or motive of the will, -I don't think, if you sin inadvertently, or not on purpose, or overtly, it would be culpable or penal, -we are not infinitely jurisprudent, and adjudicate with infinite precision or exactness, however, if our heart is not penitent and sincere, God will not be forgiving, and you will go to hell, if you are not converted again.
---TRU-DOG on 1/25/09

Mark ... It sometimes seems on these blogs we have the reverse of the popular conception of Evolution.

Evolution says that from one thing (leave aside that it is slime!) many things have developed ... a whole range of different creatures and indeed presumably vegetation.

But on so many of these blogs, a whole rsange of quite different and varied questions eventually evolve into almost identical arguments on each of the blogs.
---alan8566_of_UK on 1/25/09

John 8:32 Jesus answered "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave to sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever." and now verse 36, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed"
These freedom is from the slavery of sin. Jesus desired them to move on in their faith. Saving faith is not fickle but firm and settled. Such maturity expresses itself in full commitment to the truth in Jesus Christ resulting in genuine freedom. Those whom Jesus liberates He liberates them from the tyranny of sin and the bondage of legalism and are really free (Rom. 8:2, Gal. 5:1).
---MarkV. on 1/25/09

True Dog, please forgive me for my answer to you about putting all the blogs. You have every right to put as many as you want for whatever reason. I guess I found myself answering the same thing on all and it bothered me. I should have just answered one and left the rest to be, it was not your fault but mine. I was not trying to be rude to you. I am sorry If I hurt your feelings also. peace
---MarkV. on 1/25/09

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You asked what was the point of Jesus crucifixion?

One of the reasons Jesus died on the cross was to redeem mankind
from the powers of darkness, and his relationship with the Devil.

Man is completely at a loss to stop sinning & break his union with Satan without believing that Jesus has paid the price of redemption (HIS BLOOD).

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Free from what? FREE FROM SIN...PRAISE GOD!


---Michael on 1/24/09

*I would concede that we do a lot of things out of a lack of knowledge or because we are unaware, however, this is not the same as a conscious choice to do wrong, there is a difference between sin's of "ignorance", and, sin's that are overt, -to not know or to be ignorant and unaware, is not sin that incurrs penalty, they are non-penal, because we are not infinitely juisprudent, we could do things, and be imperfect in this sense, God is not trying to get us on a technicality
---TRU-DOG on 1/24/09

Alan 8566 of UK, Thanks for your understanding!
---TRU-DOG on 1/24/09

Alan, thank you again for coming into the picture. You had the answer for all the blogs.
---MarkV. on 1/24/09

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Mark ... I think I can understand why TruDog put the same post on several blogs.

These blogs were so similar to each other. While the originasl questions may have been further apart, the blogs have become about 1% different, and the same points are being discussed on each.

You must find it very time consuming to have to argue on so many blogs, since you are answering much the same point on one blog that you have answered recently on another.

TruDog's post was relevant to each of the blogs, and need to be put on each so that people who concentrate on just one of the blogs, and don't look at others on the same suubject (that is evident from some of their posts) see it.
---alan8566_of_UK on 1/24/09

Tru-Dog~ You have such an investigative personality...are you a lawyer? I admire your passion to cut through the contradictions and hypocricies...and get to the heart of the matter. But, yea, I get where Mark is coming from too...and I think he's just saying you need to slow down with all the investigative questioning a bit. Sometimes I picture Mark being on the witness stand, and you as the trial lawyer lol. I'm not saying to stop being investigative, or to stop questioning people's thoughts/ideas/perspectives...I'm just saying it might be more edifying to slow the questioning pace down a bit. I would think you'd get better results that way. Have you ever thought about being a lawyer?
---Anne on 1/23/09

MarkV, Once again you cry alot and play silly head games, but never answer the questions, who is being rude?
---TRU-DOG on 1/23/09

MarkV, Let's look at this: "You go around putting the same post in every blog."---Do I put the same post on every blog, or just the blogs that are of the same subject? I am not trying to be rude or anything, just shareing ideas and thoughts, why do you try to control everyone's mind, is this a problem with you? I have been very nice to you, and you have been rude alot, is this right? Why all the head games, you are with friends, if you will just relax a bit, it will be fun, -to disagree and share your thoughts, this is the wonderful thing about doing all this, it is fun and interesting.
---TRU-DOG on 1/23/09

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True Dog, what is wrong with you? You go around putting the same post in every blog. There is no need for that. I see your one post all the time. If you want to make me do the posting many times, I am sorry but I cannot. Please be kind in posting as I have shown you. If not then please don't ask me for answers, ask someone else.
---MarkV. on 1/23/09

MarkV, A "glorified Body" is not the same as being "sinless", "physical-curruption" and "moral-depravity" are not the same,-and to say we cannot be sin-less, is to confuse a persons moral histroy with his current moral state in Christ, Oh! I thought you said that you are righteous in Christ, because of imputiation, why can't you say you are sinless or free from sin? What say you?
---TRU-DOG on 1/23/09

MarkV, If what you define as free-will, being inert or inactive, I would say it is not correct, and very misleading, -the will is not free from its own innate ability to be self-acting, and to have self-determining capacities, -and to confuse in-voluntary states with the will is also incorrect, thoughts or emotions, are not the same as volitions. All in-voluntary states are to be regulated by the control and restraint of the will, your natural innocent innate desires, are to be regulated, by your obedience to the indwelling Holy Spirit, that is also voluntary.
---TRU-DOG on 1/23/09

Mic, thank you for your answers. They always encourage me to learn more about the RCC. I would not have learned so much if it wasn't for you and your quotes. I knew you had a purpose, just as everyone does. May the Lord reach out and bless you so that when you speak you speak for His glory and not your own.
---MarkV. on 1/23/09

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"Your fruits have been cast and they are of evil."These are your words Mark. NOT MINE My post wa stating a fact and had no bearing to you,B/c I asked you a question about works but you made a wrong interpretation.I do not take offence at what you say neither did I hurl insults as you suggest: But Mark Honestly if the cap fits ,who am I to judge.Just remove it and carry on.
---Mic on 1/22/09

Mic, I don't know why you state, "As you live so shall you reap" I believe I have been kind in answering you. You have made other comments I have ignored in not answering. I don't remember ever saying such words to you. But as you say, your fruits have been cast, and they are fruits of evil. Not those of someone who wants to speak for the glory of God. God have mercy on your soul.
---MarkV. on 1/22/09

The "Involuntary" and "Non-Moral" states, like an appetency for food, craving, relish, tastes, desires, emotions, thoughts, objective motives, propensitities, passions, and inclinations,etc. -are a means of temptation, and an occasion for sin, but that is it, these are not personal acts of sin, and not voluntary states. -The voluntary states of the will are a choice, or intention, or subject motive to satisfy or gratify these inward and outward objects of temptations, it is voluntary to yield to their urges and impulses, and persuasions, in a prohibited and unlawful manner.
---TRU-DOG on 1/21/09

Are "spontaneous decisions" as "non-moral" or "moral" defined as not having free-will? Why can't you make good and wise decisions and be spontaneous? Is a "free-will" defined as free from all choice or action, or "free from any desire or inclination"? Can you make choices, and have desires, and inclinations, and be spontaneous, and still have free-will? You have free-will to act on desires, thoughts, inclinations, susceptibilities, and propensitities, or not, it is not sin to have a temptation or objective motive, from any of these things. There is a big difference in "voluntary" and "involuntary" states of being
---TRU-DOG on 1/21/09

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The "Power of Contrary Choice" or the opposite choice of the will, is an innate, and inherent, faculty that has a self-determining function, it is essential in having free-will. We are not will-less in being a Christian, and, when, we are in obedience to God, we always have the choice to disobey, at any moment, we don't loose our free agency, as a Christian. -The notion that we can have free-will only when it is in an state of inaction is a false assumption. Our obedience is self-determining, to exercise our will is self-determining, God does not need to force love, we can love Him freely
---TRU-DOG on 1/21/09

*If you cannot obey, you can't disobey, your moral-agency or free-will, would be destroyed,---Righteousness begans, where sin ends, you are a self-active being, or self-determining being, you have the "Power of Contrary Choice, God will never force His will into the sanctuary of your liberty, this would be oppression, and tyranny.
---TRU-DOG on 1/21/09

Mark:-"As you have lived so shall you reap."Argueing about a subject known to all by word is not an asset. "By their fruit you shall know them"But answer the question "Do words speak louder than actions OR actions speak louder than words"Actions are considered as works which Jesus employed while on this earth.
---Mic on 1/21/09

Mic, I am glad you finally agree with me that Christ is the only One who was without sin. Not a single individual is sinless. And yes we keep going by faith in the words of the Lord when He tells us it is not in our power or might but in Him, who makes sure we finish our walk, "I will not turn from doing them good, but I will put my fear in their hearts so they they will not depart from Me." It is by His power and might that we complete our walk in this life.
---MarkV. on 1/21/09

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Mark:- I agree"No one sinless like Jesus Christ" But you can be if you tried this is what Jesus says.One who loves God and tries to "be perfect as Our Heavenly Father is perfect"Merits the grace by His continuous trying.Jesus as a man did it A good catholic or christian,does NOT throw in the towel.
---Mic on 1/20/09

No one sinless but Christ Jesus. All are born sinners. They are not sinners because they sin, they sin because they are sinners. The Wages of sin is death, in general all men die. Enoch and Elijah been the exception. Even Christians die physically. Paul answer to this is, "Look, you've been buried with Christ through baptism into death. You now walk in newness of life. You're a new creation. You are different. Your old self, "was crucified with Christ, the body of sin done away with-eleminated-that we should no longer be slaves to sin. We have died, we are freed from sin" The language of death is the language of finality. Whatsover was true of Christians before Christ, is now dead. We are now alive to Christ forever.
---MarkV. on 1/20/09

Tru-dog & Frances~ I love the 'sheep dog' and 'watch-dog' analogies! (Your 'bite' is kind of scary though sometimes Frances lol!)
Keep on the lookout though.
---Anne on 1/19/09

Tru-dog, you have a great idea there. There are also watchdogs. Maybe I am a watchdog. My bark is loud, and I am learning how to bite. :-o
---frances008 on 1/18/09

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Frances008, There are sheep-dogs that help the Great Shepherd -to herd, lead, etc. as a shepherd dog.
---TRU-DOG on 1/18/09

All descendants after Adam are fallen. They are dead in sin, spiritually separated from God. All their works are never for the glory of God so all that is not of faith is sin. From the time they are born, they are already moving towards death. They are called children of wrath because they do the desires of their father the devil.
The wages of sin is death, and all are born sinful, the reason all die. When Jesus forgives the person, he moves from been a sinner inslave to sin, to been righteous by imputation of Christ righteousness to the believer. God puts His Spirit in him, yet he is still capable of sinning because his flesh has not been redeemed, and so his flesh will die. Unless the Second coming comes while they are aive.
---Mark_V on 1/18/09

Thanks, true sheep :=)
---frances008 on 1/18/09

Frances008, You are so thoughtful and kind, thanks, and you also get my vote today, for all your thoughts and ideas, you take a shot-gun approach at times, -if one pellet does not work the other one will.
---TRU-DOG on 1/17/09

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Tru-dog, you are a tru-sheep which I mean in the best possible way. I wish your handle name was not dog. Thank you for all your wisdom and unbiased reporting of the Word of God.
---frances008 on 1/17/09

MarkV, It is not "Grace" or "Divine Favor" that gives the ability to obey, it can be withheld, and God be "Just", if God would require the impossible, without man having the ability to do so, God would be "Infinitly Unjust", we do have the ablility to obey by nature, we are born as a moral-being, with all the moral-abilities and capacities that God designed us with, God's Holy Spirit may plead, command, and reason, he can, and may present strong considerations, and motives, and persuasions, but our voluntariness and liberty, must be maintained, or moral accountability is lost, and you are no longer a responsible agent
---TRU-DOG on 1/17/09

Thanks, Anne, again for your wonderful encouragement. God bless you abundantly, I pray.

Calloon, sorry if I spelt your name wrong but my eyes are bad and I have screen blindness.

What I mean is that if you talk to all and examine the behaviour of people, you will find that as Jesus says, there are righteous and unrighteous people. Jesus came to save the unrighteous from their sins. The definition of righteousness seems to be love for fellow humans. Thus, indeed some atheists will beat some Christians in this race. Unbelievers are not of themselves condemned for not having access to the truth, or for receiving only lies, but their behaviour is assessed in the light of what they do know.
---frances008 on 1/16/09

Calhoon, therefore Jesus says those who disbelieve even though he worked miracles among them and you might include us who have access to the miracles through the Bible... those people are condemned and have no cloak for their sins as it says in the gospel. If Jesus had not come they would have had some excuse. Jesus came and they did not believe in him. For those who were presented with a false doctrine of a Jesus who slaughters the enemy in God's name, there is hope because they never met the real Jesus and so they never rejected him, but they lived by their conscience. Ezek 9.4 and Rev 9.4.
---frances008 on 1/16/09

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True Dog, I will move on and let you continue with others. I don't have the time to waste, for my time is precious to me. Thanks and peace to you.
---MarkV. on 1/16/09

MarkV, Let's look at this: ""Now faith is the substance of things hope for, the evidence of things not seen"---The word "substance" means "assurance"-- "faith is not a mental ascent, a mental ascent of God's Word, is a means, to have faith, but, faith, is trusting, and believing, and having an assurance, in God, and his Word, it is an inward choice, of the will, or heart.
---TRU-DOG on 1/16/09

True Dog, You said, "Look Mark V is at it again with this faith thing, as if we are just robots, if we believe we "work," I guess "faith" is some kind of substance and not a choice"
Yes, True Dog, I am at it again, just to let you know that is my duty to present to you the Truth.
"True faith" is a substance not a choice.
"Now faith is the substance of things hope for, the evidence of things not seen" Hebrew 11:1. Yes True Dog, it is a substance. The Word of God says so.
---MarkV. on 1/16/09

Are you saying that unbelievers will have a chance after death to believe in Christ to be saved or there lives on earth will be good enough to grant them salvation?
---calhoon on 1/16/09

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Frances & Tru-dog, I have to say that I really like the way you 2 don't pinpoint one or two isolated verses of scripture and base all your beliefs around a few isolated scriptures. I'm not saying we should not present scriptures, but that we should not base all our beliefs around a couple scriptures out of context without knowing the Word of God in its fullest sense.

Yes, we do have to look at the Bible as a whole to understand the unbelievably amazing God that is in charge over all His creation. Thank you for being patient, and for continuing to search the Bible in its entirety to strive to understand its full meaning.
---Anne on 1/15/09

Calhoon, Let's look at this: "The ONLY way to be without sin is through Jesus Christ. The sin of the world is unbelief in Him.--- Did I say I have not sinned, and didn't need Jesus Christ? I have a histroy of sinning, I have been forgiven and I'm free from sin, by the Blood of Christ. Why are you not answering my questions, you are being like someone else, I know.
---TRU-DOG on 1/14/09

So, Caloon, you had better put two thirds of your Bible in the bin, and cross out the one of the two greatest commandment in the NT. The devil believes in God and trembles, and many who say Lord Lord will be told at heaven's gates 'Get away from me, I don't know you, you who do evil.' It is doing good, by the presence of the Holy Spirit in the conscience that we remain pleasing to God. You cannot isolate one verse from the rest of the Bible and draw up a whole thesus about how everyone is going to hell except believers. You should read some other parts of the Bible, preferably all of the Bible. Your kind of faith leads to dehumanizing those who have not heard of Jesus, or those who are put off Jesus because of all those who kill unbelievers.
---frances008 on 1/14/09

The ONLY way to be without sin is through Jesus Christ. The sin of the world is unbelief in Him.
---calhoon on 1/14/09

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Anne, Look! MarkV, is at it again, with this faith thing, as if we are just robots, if we believe we "work," I guess "faith" is some kind of substance, and not a choice.
---TRU-DOG on 1/14/09

Calhoon, Let's look at this:"Dont you live in a body of sin and death?" What is a "body of sin & death?" Is sin physical corruption or moral corruption?
---TRU-DOG on 1/14/09

Calhoon, Let's look at this: " Have you met anyone who has not sinned? Lets be truthful here"---Did I say, I have met someone who has not sinned? Have you read my blogs, I went over this with someone else?
---TRU-DOG on 1/14/09

The bible says all men sin. Have you met anyone who has not sinned? Lets be truthful here. Dont you live in a body of sin and death? Its irresistable.
---calhoon on 1/14/09

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Calhoon, Let us look at this: "All men sin and will sin...its irresistable. Why cant grace be irresistable? Is sin stronger than grace? I need an answer if there is one"--- Sin is not irresistable and Grace is not irresistable, this is a false assumption, they are resistable.
---TRU-DOG on 1/14/09

First, "Faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God" If it comes it means no one has faith to believe in the Lord. It has to come and as we know Jesus Christ is the "The Author and Finisher of our faith"
For scripture also declares that, "We are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God" Paul knew man like today would say it came from them so to make it clear, he say, "Not of works, lest anyone should boast" That it came as a gift so not to boast that it came from your own works.
---MarkV. on 1/14/09

All men sin and will sin...its irresistable. Why cant grace be irresistable? Is sin stronger than grace? I need an answer if there is one.
---calhoon on 1/14/09

The "Grace" or "Gracious Influence" is not irresistible, that is to say, too powerful or convincing to be resisted, it is not "Irresistible Grace." The Holy Spirit brings strong conviction and persuasion, to bring the heart to salvation, and a new moral-life in Christ, and to be saved forever, however, it is not irresistible, it can be rejected, it is not without choice or free-will
---TRU-DOG on 1/13/09

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True Dog, that last post you made was awesome. Do you really believe those Truths? If you do, I am so happy for you. Keep studying, every time The Spirit encourages you for the right reasons.

About the books you gave, I have not read any of them. I am studying one called, "Knowing God" By J. I. Packer, and just finished another one called, "End time Delusions" by Steve Wohlberg. About The Rapture, that Antichrist, Israel and the end times. I need to go over that one again because I am not sure if I got all it wanted to explain.
---MarkV. on 1/13/09

Most all things given of God are by grace. Some things like faith, is a choice.
God gives all men a portion of faith, then mankind has a choice in what to believe in.
YOUR faith (in Him)shall save you.
---calhoon on 1/12/09

Tru-dog~ Amen to your 1/12 post there!! God gets all the glory and said it.
---Anne on 1/12/09

It is God's "Grace", to convict or hearts, to repent, and believe, by his Holy Spirit. It is also, his "Grace", to keep us righteous, and holy, and to do his will, and to work out our salvation, with fear, and trembling, while his Holy Spirit is convicting our hearts to obey him, so we will not, be lost forever, this is ongoing, every day of our lives. God's Holy Spirit, is there in our hearts, convicting us of our sins, so we will repent, and, so we will, be righteous, as he is righteous, this is by his "Grace" in our hearts.
---TRU-DOG on 1/12/09

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MarkV, I was curious if you have read this: RATIONAL THEOLOGY OR ETHICAL AND THEOLOGICAL ESSAYS BY JOHN MILTON WILLIAMS. A. M.1888 you can find this on Gospel Truth site.
---TRU-DOG on 1/11/09

MarkV, I was curious if you have read this: THE MORAL GOVERNMENT OF GOD in Two Volumes by Nathaniel W. Taylor, 1859...I have read a lot on this subject by various writers on both sides of the issue, not just one side, I have been objective.
---TRU-DOG on 1/11/09

MarkV, Have you read this: Doctrine of The Will. By Asa Mahan, you can find this, on Truth in Heart site. I have many books on this subject, I have study this far many years, this is not something new to me, I have look at most sides very carefully.
---TRU-DOG on 1/11/09

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