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How does the church and Pastor handle members/non-members that alway put theirselves in financial binds, then expects the church to help pay for their carelessness with money? What are scriptures that support someone helping themselves if they are able to?

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 ---EJ on 8/9/06
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We are to do everything in love. We are not required to help everyone and be used. We are to be led by the Spirit of God and we will be blessed in what we do. Love is the key. We will not be "damned" if we don't give that greedy preacher,derelict on the street our last penny. Know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
If I can help anyone.I will. But I am not going to hurt myself in the process.
---Robyn on 12/1/08

Considering this question, and people's views of this question is very revealing. For example I have a Christian friend who is a member of the Hard right. And he does not believe in any pension plans by the government or gifts from churches or by anyone to those in financial difficulty, or are unable to work because of age or infirmary, but rather he believes that any person who wants to eat must go into the labor market and earn his own substance!! Any comments?
---mima on 11/30/08

Deuteronomy 15:7-11 (King James Version)

1 John 3:16-19

1 John 4:20

Leviticus 19:15

Psalm 72:4

Proverbs 14:31

Proverbs 17:5

Proverbs 19:17

Proverbs 21:13

Proverbs 28:27

Proverbs 29:7

Proverbs 29:14

Proverbs 31:9

Isaiah 11:4

Jeremiah 22:16

...just to name a few, LOVE is the key!
---JOHN-DANIEL on 12/7/07

The church should help them the same way as God helps you when you make bad decisions and get yourself in trouble. We all mess up all the time and God bails us out over and over again. Why should we treat others different than what God treats us?
---john on 12/7/07

there are those who regularly get themselves into trouble as such, them I dont bother with cos they know not to do it over n over. too many users today who comes along and use the church for their own selfish interests. I usually see them and steer off them...
---jana on 5/6/07

This question isn't actually about the poor, it is about people who get their priorities wrong then expect others to sort out their financial problems. As far as scripture is concerned it says that if a man wants to eat he has to work. This excludes those who absolutely, for one reason or another, are unable to work and these are the people who need state or church help. We are to be wise stewards not easy pickings.
---M.P. on 4/26/07

2Th 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." 2Th3:6-12, The men referred to were self appointed, and mutually appointed "apostle" types. They bustled about inquisitively in other peoples matters, eating their food, and putting other burdens on them. Their ministering about, or work, was less than work. A deviation from the patterned example and manner of operation, which the true apostles were setting.
---jhonny on 9/5/06

My Pastor has always said, If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Simple as that. I do believe that if a couple is striving and trying to make ends meet then the church should step in and help. but if they aren't helping themselves by working or looking for work then no the church isn't oblagated to take care of them. A good Pastor watches over his sheep, if he sees them working, he will help them more but if he sees a sheep that is lazy he'll him a little less.
---Rebecca_D on 8/10/06

No it is not a joke. This man is the most ultraconservative(I've got mine and I don't care about you) person I have ever met. He drives approximately 45 miles each way to have a hours talk with me twice a week. And while I love the man in the Lord I continue to be puzzled as to why he wants to talk with me since I am basically opposite of him in my beliefs.
---mima on 8/10/06

I agree with MP. It is a question of stewardship for a Christian. On the other hand, if we are talking about a non-Christian, this may be an opportunity for bringing him/her to Christ. I mean one idea would be to have this person render paid services over a period at the church. This would bring the person in contact with the church regularly and create many witnessing opportunities.
---Benny on 8/10/06

Mima, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that he wouldn't accept social security benefits either (although you didn't actually say that). So he isn't quite as strict as it sounds when he says "that any person who wants to eat must go into the labor market and earn his own substance".
---emg on 8/10/06

Mima - You're joking aren't you. Have a heart. Are you sure that your friend is a Christian. Helping the poor and the disabled is right throughout Scripture.
---Helen_5378 on 8/10/06

My friend is 70 years old, and not in good health, he is drawing and living on Social Security. Is this man crazy because of his views? Only if you equate craziness with the views of the extreme hard right. But I have heard him state his views on this subject many times.
---mima on 8/10/06

"Why should we treat others different than what God treats us?" John, you are quite correct, but doesn't God sometimes allow us to learn from our mistakes by showing us hard times? There are many situations in life where regularly helping someone out of a financial mess, into which they got themselves, is not necessarily the best way of helping. Having to live extremely frugally after wasting money is a very good lesson for some to have to learn.
---M.P. on 8/10/06

Mima, it is to be hoped that your 'Christian' friend never develops an illness or has an accident that renders him unable to go into the labor market and earn his own substance. If any such things should happen to him are we to assume that he will just stay where he is, alone, without any help and die of starvation? His comments are very easy to say whilst fit and well but there is a strong possibility that he will, at least, become OLD, even if no other frailty befalls him. What will he do then?
---emg on 8/10/06

**but rather he believes that any person who wants to eat must go into the labor market and earn his own substance!! Any comments?**

I know several people with such ailments as fibromyalgia, cerebral palsy, and other infirmities who live in GREAT pain constantly, frequently are too weak to leave their beds, and are permanently disabled.

Is it proposed that these people be euthanized or allowed/forced to starve to death?
---Jack on 8/9/06

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mp, I agree with you. There is a difference between lazy and needy. I would help anyone who is needy, but I wouldn't look at someone who is too sorry to work and expect the tax payers to feed them and their offsprings.
---shira on 8/9/06

Isn't there a Bible verse that goes something like this: 'Love your neighbor'?
And, I dont think this is in the Bible but it is a good verse: 'There, but by the grace of God, go I'.
---sue on 8/9/06

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