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Can Angels Have God's Grace

In your understanding of grace, do you believe that grace has ever been or can ever be extended to include angels. Or said a another way are angels objects of God's grace?

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ven:

You wrote: The culprit that causes man to be born in sin is Adam not God.

Yet again, how can somene be a "culprit" if they did not choose to sin, but that choice was made by another? If have no choice, it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to sin, because sin is a CHOICE to do evil.

If you accidentally cut yourself, you have no basis to curse the knife that cut you, because you yourself was wielding it, and the knife had no say in injuring you. This is exactly the same conclusion one must reach about human beings, if they have no choice in their actions.
---StrongAxe on 7/10/20


Where does the Bible say GOD has chosen the elect before the foundation of the world?
Chapter and verse please.

True all are born in sin. That we agree on.

So Adam had free will. Than sinned and then GOD said this group I will hate and not save even though I could. This other group I will save them. Because I feel like it.

Eph 2:3. 3:13. We are all born lost.

True those born of GOD will be saved. But you teach GOD chooses some and tortures the others for all eternity because GOD choose to not save them. God picks who to save and who to torture.

I believe GOD offers salvation to all. Those who refuse it will be lost.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/20


Samuel, what scripture says is THE CHURCH was promised to Jesus before the foundation of the world , we are His bride, HIS BODY, taken out of His side just as Eve was taken out of Adams side..this MYSTERY explained in Ephesians 5-6. But it would be during this dispensation called THE CHURCH AGE , where God is calling out to WHOSOEVER WILL , to be according to the Election of Grace, which is not a heavenly lotto. This higher calling was predestined before the foundation of the world. This was a covenant between Father Son and Holy Spirit. We did not exist before the foundation of the world. The thought of us did. The plan of man did.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/20


Samuel, you say: "
If GOD chooses than GOD is responsible for people living in sin. For he made them to live in sin.
God is not responsible for us living in sin."

Samuel, God has chosen the Elect before the foundation of the world. When they are born they are born in sin. Even the Elect. The culprit that causes man to be born in sin is Adam not God. By nature they are children of wrath: Eph 2:3. Born under the curse Gal. 3:13.
At a certain time those born of God will be saved by God. The other answer is that not all Gentiles were lost when those people were slaughtered, there was other tribes at that time that were not mention by God. God wanted those He mentioned so that Israel could take their land.
---ven. on 7/10/20


ven:

If arguing the merits of Calvinism is SO IMPORTANT to you, why don't you create a blog specifically for that purpose? Here we are again, with at least two blogs devoted to unrelated subjects that have been hijacked into arguing about the merits of Calvinism.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/20




..... The Canaanites, Amorites, the Hittites, Hivites, and a few more, Slaughtered. Was God loving? He is the same God. Remember, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. And what about those peoples free will. They never had a chance because they were not the chosen nation. Was it fair to them they were not chosen?
---ven. on 7/8/20
Ven I bet you didn't know God gave them 400 years to repent. Genesis 15. They had a chance. They squandered it, just like today we know the Wrath of God is coming , so like even Noah who preached for 125 years so are we to preach the Gospel. And believe me ven, Israel being Gods chosen people we see denied Christ. So much for being chosen. They were chosen for SERVICE, if you can grasp that thought.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/20


I totally agree Samuel. I think Calvinist's confuse the scriptures that MAN SEARED THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE . We see this happened showing in Romans 1-2 , and that man is not born with a seared conscience or is one passed down through heredity. We see many Gentiles in the OT walked with God, did not receive any such MADE ALIVE FIRST. No scriptures in the OT make such a statement. The fact that man has a conscience where a moral law was written and infused in our conscience , even being seen today in countries not Christian know right from wrong. It was man who saw the Glory of God through out all creation right after Adam sinned, and They chose to worship the creature more than the creator . Romans 1-2 also refute Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/20


Ven. Paul disagrees with you on all Gentiles being lost.

Romans 2 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

If GOD chooses than GOD is responsible for people living in sin. For he made them to live in sin.

God is not responsible for us living in sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/20


Calvin's Reformed Theology, that Pink , RC , Mcarthur just regurgitate Calvin's teaching, is their denial of Romans 16:25-27, Pauls most awesome statement that the MYSTERY has been made known to ALL NATIONS,for the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, not jsome secret society they are made alive to believe so that they can be taught by men. If they are SO MADE ALIVE , they don't need the doctrines if men to finish them.

What they have done too is say Jesus really didn't need to die in a cross, because the Holy Spirit has made them alive apart from the Cross. The Holy Spirit didn't die for their sin. Their being MADE ALIVE is not the MADE ALIVE we see in Romans 6...being made alive AFTER being baptized into CHRISTS death.

Reformed is heresy.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/20


Kath, don't you read the Bible? Many people were never permitted to even have a chance for salvation. Human beings in the Old T. died without a chance for salvation because they were in the way of Israel. What about them? They were people, sinners like the Jews. But God had a plan and it didn't include those nations only Israel. Was that fair? For God everything He does is fair and right. He knows what He is doing. "For who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being His Counselor hath taught Him?..." Isa. 40:13,14.
The One who decreed the salvation of His Elect also decreed to work faith in them 2 Thess. 2:13.
---ven. on 7/9/20




Yes Samuel. One thing ven and Calvinists don't understand is that not even in the OT was anything even close to Calvinism taught. They take scripture to do with SERVICE, NOT SALVATION to make their case..RE Jacob Esau. Ruth FREELY CHOSE to join Israel and follow Naomi becoming one of Jesus ansestors. Many scriptures of the foreigner and stranger welcome, show even then free will and not exclusion. Even Rahab in Joshua. Same God, same way of Salvation.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/20


Samuel, what can be the problem for God choosing us? What makes you say that? Isn't He God? A Sovereign God cannot be Sovereign because it is not fair to sinful man. Guilty sinners who do not deserve one iota from God. God has to wait to see if a guilty sinner will love Him.
You also complain that if God does not give you free will it is not fair for man not to have a chance, but did you ever read the Bible where God had The Canaanites, Amorites, the Hittites, Hivites, and a few more, Slaughtered. Was God loving? He is the same God. Remember, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. And what about those peoples free will. They never had a chance because they were not the chosen nation. Was it fair to them they were not chosen?
---ven. on 7/8/20


Yes Kathyr We have free will. We choose who to follow. One of the big problems with Calvin is his teaching that GOD chooses for us. Forcing us to do his will. That would mean he only loves some people. Which is what Calvin teaches. Limited atonement. So GOD made millions of humans so he could torture them for all eternity. That is not the GOD of love shown in the Bible. AGape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/8/20


Axe, you say, "
I have showed you that scripture constantly admonishes us to CHOOSE to follow God, and that we are free to follow or reject him, and that he gives us that choice rather than compelling us to do right. But you reject all of that and say that we have no choice.<"
I don't reject that you are responsible for your sins and rejection of Christ. No one makes you sin. Some sin a lot more then others, nevertheless everyone is guilty before God. We're bless He saves some, if He wanted, He could save none. He could just save all, but He doesn't. God hold us from the feet, hanging above the pit of hell. He could let us go, or pulls us from above the pit of hell. He is in control always, we are just sinners.
---ven. on 7/8/20


Ven, I'll say it here as well, I am a Jew, a Christian Jew. I know what that verse means, YOU DONT. it is talking to Jews who reject Jesus as the promised messiah, the stumbling stone and rock of offense is the message of the cross. I have not rejected Jesus Christ or the message if the cross, I've testified to here over 15 years. To use that verse as a club to assault those saved is of Satan. And the more you talk, I say Satan has a hold over your tongue. You say things you aught not say. Especially to a Christian Jew. Jesus said SALVATION IS "OF"THE JEWS. It's not of Calvin or Reformed Theology. We know what salvation is ven, YOU DO NOT.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/20


ven:

I have showed you that scripture constantly admonishes us to CHOOSE to follow God, and that we are free to follow or reject him, and that he gives us that choice rather than compelling us to do right. But you reject all of that and say that we have no choice.
---StrongAxe on 7/7/20


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Axe, can you tell me what Scripture you have given me that I denied. You said,
"But you think that the same doesn't apply to you as well?
I do not remember you giving one passage from the word of God that I denied. You threw a lot of questions and I answered you. What I think you are doing is defending someone who is wrong because you like her. I have put many passages for you and her, since both of you reject the Truth. Maybe no one ever challenges either one of you. But we need to defend the Truth.
---ven. on 7/7/20


Kath, I do not know what is Hilarious about the word of God. I gave you 1 Peter 2:8. I did not say it was not for Jews the passage was talking to. Because it was directed at the Jews. What I was referring to was how they stumbled and how they were destine to do. You also stumble as they did.
---ven. on 7/7/20


Van you are hilarious. The verse you posted was to Jews who rejected the CROSS, not those who deny your false doctrine. You can't even use correct scripture to make a case. Being a Jew, I have not rejected Christ and Him Crucified and risen for my redemption. But you may have ven. Try again with your nonsense. You have no clue who your talking to. ( One of God's REAL ELECT) silly.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/20


ven:

You wrote: Kath, it matters not how many passages you are given to read, you will always deny the Truth. That is very clear to me. You are one of those persons destine to do what you do, who we are warned about. Here is what we are warned.

But you think that the same doesn't apply to you as well?
---StrongAxe on 7/6/20


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ven uses scripture he doesn't understand, and promotes doctrines contrary to scripture. I know the Word of God, so YOU don't have to give me anything I don't already know and have GOD GAVE ME. It's YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture ven, I reject...YOUR TEACHING I reject ven. All cults want to give you scripture. And GOD also gave me a GIFT for the work of the ministry, so that people are not being tossed and turned by every wind of doctrine pudknockers like yourself push onto folks. So the real issue here ven is IM GIVING YOU SCRIPTURE that is a stumbling stone to you and a rock of offense to you. You have rejected Romans 6-8 explaining exactly HOW one comes to be IN CHRIST and given the Holy Spirit AFTER THEY BELIEVE.
---kath4453 on 7/6/20


Kath, it matters not how many passages you are given to read, you will always deny the Truth. That is very clear to me. You are one of those persons destine to do what you do, who we are warned about. Here is what we are warned.
"A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense' They stumble being disobedient to the Word, to which they were appointed" 1 Peter 2:8.
Every day since I began responding to you, the truth I gave you went out the window. You did not like the first passage I gave you, then I gave you two more and you call that Mormonism. You are one person to look out for.
---ven. on 7/5/20


Poor delusional ven, Mormons use the verse in Jeremiah , so again that raises a red flag. That was not to you specifically ven, as you are not Jeremiah or a prophet, and before Isaac and Jacob were born, God told Rebecca when she was pregnant with twins the elder will SERVE the younger. Genesis 25:23 But again ven, Amos 3:2 state God only knew Israel of all the families on earth. So again I ask you, were you a spirit baby Jew or a spirit baby Gentile? So if perhaps you are hanging your hat on those two verses, no scripture makes any such comment about Gentiles.

Again yours is MORMON, not Christianity or even mainstream Calvinism. I'm afraid you've gotten yourself tied up with a church who let the dogs in.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/20


These verses do not speak of the soul preexisting before birth, but of God calling and setting apart people for the ministry long before they are born. I knew you does not refer to a preexistent soul, but to the prenatal person. They were known by God in the womb (Jer. 1:5, cf. Ps. 51:6, 139:1316). The word know (yada) implies a special relationship of commitment (cf. Amos 3:2). It is supported by words like sanctified (set apart) and ordained, which reveal that God had a special assignment for Jeremiah (and Paul, Gal. 1:1516), even before birth. Therefore, these passages do not imply preexistence of a soul, rather, they affirm preordination of an individual to a special ministry.
---kath4453 on 7/5/20


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Kath, I am never angry, only prepared with the truth. Ehp. 1:4,5. tells us of our pre-existence, and so does Jeremiah 1:5, where it says, "before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." Also Romans 9:11-14,
"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that called, it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
---ven. on 7/4/20


Ven, changing the subject claiming you know what I do and do not believe about God attributes is a childish game and hold no water. You are acting like you are God. YIKES. Just because YOU CLAIM to throw around all those Calvinistic points we hear from you all over and over as if you have a corner on TRUTH because you know and can spell these words STILL DOES NOT SAY YOU PRE-EXISTED. Heck, you can make up anything you want and claim it's because you believe God is this and that. I believe all those things Ven, but still do not believe in your THEORY OF BEING INCARNATE. its heresy PERIOD. And is not mainstream Calvinism either. Your pride won't let you admit you are wrong. So you'll hold that heresy to death. It's called PRIDE.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/20


Kath, you need to get yourself a book on the nature and attributes of God, because reading the Bible does not help you.
God knows all things, He never gains knowledge, because He is Omniscient He never changes, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is omnipotent. God is omnipresent. He is the Sovereign and a Holy God.
Do you get that? He does not change His nature to fit your Mormon theology. Let go of your religion, and come to Christ.
---ven. on 7/3/20


No verse says Adam was before the foundation of the world. The Lambs Book of Life was not said to be before the foundation of the world either, it says FROM the foundation of the world, showing Jesus was not already incarnate made flesh, to shed His blood for the forgivness of sin before His incarnation. YET we see Jesus was FOR-ORDAINED before the foundation of the world to take away sin. This means THE PLAN OF SALVATION was before God, just as "the thought of man" was before God, predestined, AKA predetermined. God KNEW beforehand doesn't mean it was or we were already there. Plus Adam was called Adam AFTER God formed him out of the dust and "he became" a living soul.

Ven you're still wet behind the ears.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/20


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Kath, you do not need two post to say what you feel. Samuel does not have to respond.
You said: "
Yes, and the total depravity part saying one existed before the foundation of the world is saying some of these soul/spirit whatever's were depraved then and some were righteous then, to be chosen then."
Total depravity only means that the whole world (man) is fallen,"among whom also we once cconduted ourselves in the lust of our flesh, filling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." Eph. 2:3. Man is fallen because of Adam. Adam was before the foundation but had not sin yet.
Eph. 1:4,5.
---ven. on 7/2/20


Ven, I believe the problem here you can't see is even shown in your post to Samuel. No one is accountable to you for their beliefs that you feel superior to scrutinize and pass judgement on. You are not God. You see,that is where you come across as ride and overbearing. I found your challenge to Samuel obnoxious looking for a fight. Don't take the bate Samuel.
---kathy4453 on 7/1/20


Ven, I believe the problem here you can't see is even shown in your post to Samuel. No one is accountable to you for their beliefs that you feel superior to scrutinize and pass judgement on. You are not God. You see,that is where you come across as ride and overbearing. I found your challenge to Samuel obnoxious looking for a fight. Don't take the bate Samuel. It's one thing to debate beliefs and point out scripture to support or refute. It's quite another to tell someone to state what they believe so that YOU can decide if it's ok or not. You still haven't proven you pre_existed. So you first ven.
---kath4453 on 7/1/20


Yes, and the total depravity part saying one existed before the foundation of the world is saying some of these soul/spirit whatever's were depraved then and some were righteous then, to be chosen then. What scripture can ven supply here concerning this strange doctrine of pre-existence? I know the Mormons have meted out their doctrine of pre-existence, so Calvinists must have theirs too. so what is it ven. Don't say its a Mystery, because ALL MYSTERIES have been revealed today. NOTHING HIDDEN, unless you want to go the Gnostic route here.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/20


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Sam, I don't know who you are, or what you believe in. Or even if you are a Christian. But let me tell you about me, I am always polite and kind to others, always, and I am Christian.
Because I believe that God has the right to choose what pleases Him, people get angry, they want their own rights first. They want to be in control. If they are not they come unglued, and began to throw tantrums, insults. So I defend the faith. You have not being defending your faith. I have not seen your name come up, but here I am, bring it on.
I see you are another person who believes you have rights over God. Show your proof. Lets see how great a faith you have.
---ven. on 7/1/20


Kath, if you do not know the nature of Jesus, you do not know the Trinity. That's why I said what I did. Second, I never said Calvinist are the only ones who teach the Trinity. Not one time. And I know not everyone believe in Calvinism. Because many believe they have power over God. They fight for their rights. They want to make sure it is them who dictates who goes to heaven. They don't want God running everything. Good luck to those who think that way. Wait a minute, there is no such thing as luck.
---ven. on 7/1/20


Ven I see you more wrong the kathyr. Calvinism is based on Total Depravity.
Unconditional election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible grace
Persistence of the Saints.

Did this from Memory. I disagree with it. So do millions of other Christians. You as a Christian should be polite and kind to others.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/20


Poor ven, funny I've never discussed the Trinity with you or any of those subjects you claim to know what I believe. I do not believe in Calvinism. And to say ONLY CALVINISM teaches the Trinity, who Christ is, and all the rest of your list, only show you have some very serious brainwashed problems that seems to have taught you to foam at the mouth anytime someone disagrees with you. I knew when you first MOCKED the CROSS as just a piece of wood, you were actually an enemy of THE CROSS. which actually puts you in the category of denying very important issues in scripture.

Ven, you are out of control with your hateful posts. Not everyone here believes in Calvinism either. Deal with it.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/20


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Kath, you sure don't know a thing about what truth is. And again , when you are challenge you began to throw insults at people that correct you or those who post the truth. You call yourself a Christian with the Holy Spirit.
When I first started answering you, I could see you knew nothing about Scripture, nothing about the Trinity, nothing about the nature of God the Father, and Jesus Christ His Son. How in the world can the Holy Spirit be teaching you? Impossible. Is spirit teaching you to throw insults?That is not the Holy Spirit.
---ven. on 6/30/20


We see ven using every opportunity to cram his Calvinism cult down everyone's throat. Ven with Calvinism, Jerry with his sabbath. These guys are so programmed and brainwashed to be a one dimensional minded person, ven never supporting with scripture babbles nonsense, yet has no understanding for any real meat of the scripture. He was fed junk food all his life out of Calvinism books, not the scriptures. catholics are much the same. They are tied to this crede or that, not scripture. It's sad.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/20


Redemtion is only for humans, angels are not included, Jesus did not die for angels.
God extends His grace to all people by providing for them rain for food, and some live in better homes then others, better parents, better locations to live.
Concerning salvation, that grace is only for those who are the children of God. And if you do not know who are the children of God, they are those chosen by God before the foundation of the world, the elect, the Remnant, those born of God.
---ven. on 6/27/20


Agree and agree and great points. Amen to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/22/20


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ven, yes, I totally agree with you there. But I would say Its necessary to explaining GRACE as the CROSS, in that we are saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ Re the CROSS. There is no salvation apart from the cross. So being saved BY GRACE, RE JESUS SACRIFICE FOR OUR SIN, Gods graceous gift to man, was never offered to Angels. fallen angels cannot be saved by grace, and the ones who didn't fall are not the object of Gods grace either. Romans 5 never separates Grace from Jesus and HIS sacrifice for our sin for the redemption of man.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/20


No angels are not the object of God's Grace. They were created before there was time.Only humans are the object of God's Grace.
---ven. on 6/16/20


Yes. The power of the Messiah has come-
---LadyShip19 on 4/27/20


The obedient angels who are not the fallen angels.. exist in and by God's grace.
God created angels as servants to Him and for Him. They are not the objects of God's grace.
The angels minister to we who are heirs of salvation because of God's grace to sinners.
---Ianns on 11/30/19


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If we truly saved, THE LORD give us discernment to understand the spiritual things, that otherwise we wouldn't be able to do so!

How can angels that are Ministers of GOD, be who they are - if not by GOD'S GRACE?

THE LORD said: That those who are Born Again from HIS SPIRIT, are going to be like the angels, and so what brought us unto HIM and saved us from start - if not by HIS GRACE?.
---Melody on 9/11/18


Everything in the universe is an object of God's grace. Everything would instantly disappear without it.
---Johnny74 on 9/11/18


StrongAxe

Fair enough...
---Loony1 on 10/24/17


We don't. Perhaps it's both.
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17


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StrongAxe

I see your point. But how do we know that this whole section isn't metaphoric rather than literal? How do we know whether it's speaking of a real angel, or just of a king who has exalted himself too highly?
---Loony1 on 10/23/17


Loony1:

You wrote: How can we be sure this passage in Isaiah refers to Satan?

How many other people do you know who fell from heaven?
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17


Revelation 21:17 Then he measured the thickness of the walls and found them to be 216 feet across (the angel called out these measurements to me, using standard units).

Sorry Haz27, here is another version of Rev 21:17. I believe is accurate since it was the Angel communicating with John. It says or means nothing about the appearance of an angel.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/17


StrongAxe

How can we be sure this passage in Isaiah refers to Satan?
---Loony1 on 10/23/17


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Loony1:

"Lucifer" is Latin for "light-bearer". It is used in the KJV to translate Hebrew "Heylel" in Isaiah 14:12:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The Greek Septuagint translates this as "heosphoros", or "bringer of dawn".

The word "lucifer" (uncapitalized) was also used to mean "candle", or the planet Venus (i.e. the morning star).
---StrongAxe on 10/23/17


Why do people think that Satan's name is Lucifer?
---Loony1 on 10/22/17


Angels followed Lucifer who turned from GOD. How they could do that I don't know. I just know Lucifer or the devil is real. Evil is real.

I believe the Bible.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/22/17


Speaking of angels, what do they look like?

Rev 21:17
Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a MAN, that is, of AN ANGEL.
---Haz27 on 10/22/17


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Samuel

If angels are sinless, how could they turn from God?
---Loony1 on 10/22/17


So, the angels that have never sinned "deserve" eternal life? "Deserve" God's goodness? Grace is God's unmerited favor extending to all of His creation. "Deserve" is a man-made word that we want to extend based on what we know. God is so far outside of us, that we are limited in our ability to understand or talk about grace.
---Joyce_Anderson on 10/10/17


True Kathyr. Good point.

Angels were sinless till they turned from GOD. We are sinners who need grace to save us.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/5/17


Joyce, angels are not SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. Those disobedient Angels have no hope of being redeemed.

And if TRAV cares to,read Ephesians, the Grace of God is to both Jew and Gentile.

I'm not sure you have a proper understanding of GRACE in the NEW TESTAMENT era. GRACE is the finished works of Christ....that does not extend to fallen angels, but has been extended to ALL MANKIND. Angels are not considered "mankind".
---kathr4453 on 9/5/17


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If grace is God's unmerited favor, then grace has been extended to all of God's creation.....
---Joyce on 8/1/17

There is not enough information spoken in scripture about anyone other than Israel or their fathers to cement/foundation the statement you made.
It is a personal desire of all...but, not ever stated.

What is stated and witnessed one end to the other:

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 8/31/17


If grace is God's unmerited favor, then grace has been extended to all of God's creation because none of His creation "deserve" anything that He has given. Grace is an expression of God's character of love. Adam had grace BEFORE he sinned.
---Joyce on 8/21/17


Of course or they would ALL be in darkness waiting for the day of Judgment.
Most people don't even believe that angels eat food(manna).
Alot of people think that angels are Winged Spirits w/o form.
Each angel has his own purpose, oh yeah thats another thing, Angels are males,
I havn't heard of 1 angel that has a womens name!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/29/08


I agree with Helen and Ryan in their answers to this question.
---Mima on 6/29/08


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Yes! Thank you Jesus. God's grace does indeed extend to His angels. Angels, like man, were created by a special act of God. They did not evolve into being. [Psa. 148: 2,5]. Angels, like man, may have been made in the image of God. This image of God consists of two things. Personality and holiness. Personality gives the basic capacity to have fellowship with the person of God. Holiness provides the basic requirement to enjoy that fellowship.
---catherine on 6/28/08


Sorry, your logic is not even correct. Every person has a soul, does not mean that every person through God's grace will be saved. That is not Bible that everyone will be saved. Just that His grace is extended to include the Gentiles and the Jews.>>>And angels. They also worship God.
---catherine on 6/28/08


No, angels are not objects of God's grace. They have no Messiah. Look at the angels in tartarus they will receive no mercy. Angels were created by God to do His will. If they leave their post they will be thrown into the lake of fire.
---Ryan on 6/28/08


Angels do not need grace because they do not have a soul.
---Helen_5378 on 8/7/07


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Angels do not have grace nor do they have Salvation. When Lucifer and His angels fell from Grace, along with the others angels who fell in Gen 6:1-4 (cf. Peter 3:18-22, 2 Peter 2:4, 5, and Jude 6, 7), they didn't get a "second chance".

Why? These angels knew God, they saw Him face to face! Just imagine for a minute. They knew Him better than we! Humans, however, have at least a second chance to reconciled themselves with God. Angels are not objects of God's salvation plan.
---Ramon on 8/6/07


Lucifer & his angels are now satan/(d)evil one, & the angels God placed under his authority who rebelled with him, & still following him are demons, fallen angels, etc, except for those ".. in chains of darkness ..." because of Gen.6:4, Cp. II Peter 2:4, Rev.12:7-12.".

Again God's Grace came through Messiah/Jesus Christ [then in The Bosom of God His Father] for fallen mankind.
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 8/6/07


Grace means favour. Luke 2:52 The grace of God was upon Jesus. Luke 1:30 The grace of God was upon Mary also.Certain angels have been given favour all through the Bible times. But in the way of grace for the forgiveness of sin, to be reconciled, no. Fallen angels will all have their part in the lake of fire at the end. I see no Scripture for them to be reconciled.
---john on 8/6/07


Angels don't need God's grace. When Satan tried to take power from God, along with some angels, they were cast out of heaven. After that, we don't read of any additional angels rebelling against God.
---wivv on 8/13/06


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I suppose it could be said that the very reason angels exist to start with is a special grace from God.
---Jack on 8/11/06


Grace comes to born-again Christians through the Cross of Christ in Jesus' finished work there. No angels are not objects of God's grace. Grace is for humans only.
---Helen_5378 on 8/11/06


Grace is the unmerited favor from God or just favor if you're so led to believe. It's by grace that we are saved,through faith in that grace. (Eph.2:8,9)Yes he has extended that to angels; It's His nature!
---Robert on 8/11/06


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