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When Do We Go To Heaven

Do we go to Heaven when we die, or when Jesus returns?

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Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Joh 11: 11,14 Lazarus sleepeth .... Lazarus is dead.
---jerry6593 on 4/18/09

Did you read the scriptures I gave? I agree with what you are saying concerning all those whom you mentioned. I was only referring to those who live in this Christian dispensation. The righteous dead of the Patriarchial and Moseic dispensations wait in Hadeas, (paradise), for the "last day", at which time we will all be together in the presence of God. Please read the scriptures I gave and let me know what you think.
---Tim on 4/16/09

Scriptures clearly teaches that persons continue to exist CoNsCiOuSlY after physical DeAtH. Jesus>>> pointed out that, as the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, He is the God of the living.....These still LiVe, their souls having returned to GOD [Eccles. 12:7]. In addition, Paul equated being absent from the body with being present with Christ...Whether it is the immaterial aspect of the Soul which is consciously alive with God after death, awaiting resurrection completeness, or whether believers exist in some kind of physicak form, UNINTERRUPTED existence is certain....Jesus said it..."I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise".
---catherine on 4/16/09

Using the plain language from 1Thess.4:13-18 and 2Thess.1:6-10, and 1 Cor.15:50-55, we can discern plainly that the dead in Christ,(sleep),awaiting the resurrection, immeadiately following the living will put on thier bodies fit for eternity, at which time also those who "no not God or have not obeyed the gospel of Christ" will be sent to "eternal punishment". This state of sleep has no sense of time therefore if you've been dead 2000 years or a day you won't no the difference. Paul in 1Cor.15 likens the soul to a seed which is dorment, when the conditions are right it is made alive. When Christ comes for His church, that's it.
---Tim on 4/16/09

Nobody's spirit dies, and IF our spirit rise's(resurrects)(And it Don't) who is here to HEAR the shout and be resurrected from the DEAD along with those who are still alive and called up to meet in the clouds?

Why did JESUS tell his D's, that he is going to prepare a place for them/us and when he is ready, he will return for them/us
(HE hasn't returned yet), NOR has the shout been given...

Only those who are alive and IN Christ will not taste death or the corruption(decay)of the body, for in a blink of an eye they will be as he is...

Theirs only 2 or 3 verses that people can twist into there own imagination and believe they'll be in heaven waiting, and about 50 that say otherwise(Not in heaven yet).
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/16/09 can stay in your grave, but as for me i will be with Christ at death. you see Mike, Christ said that He is the resurrection and that all who live and believe in Him shall never die. Your body may die but your spirit will never die to those who are in Christ.
---JIM on 4/16/09

spirit ( ruach) breath returns to god,and the body returns to the dust from which it came.god placed his spirit (breath in adams nostrils and that is what returns to god at death,remember job said all the while the spirit of god is in my nostrils? the reality is that when we die we sleep til the resurrection,this is what the bible teaches anything else is just pure speculation.
---mike on 4/16/09

We Saints go to Heaven as soon as we die. The Scriptures say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is GOD going to make your spirit and soul lay in a flesh-and-blood body that's rotting in the ground? What about the bodies that are cremated, etc? The same for those who die without Salvation, they go directly to Hell to await the Day of the Great White Throne Judgment when they will afterwards be cast alive into the eternally burning Lake of Fire. It's not hard to understand if you just let yourself. And you will find it lining up with Scripture as you fit all of pieces together. The future day of resurrection will be GOD re-uniting the RE-NEWED fleshly body with your soul. But, your soul LIVES ON after Death.
---Gordon on 6/25/08

What?? Do you believe in soul sleep like the SDA?
---Bruce5656 on 6/23/08

Mima: I don't see what denomination I belong to matters. But I go to a non-denominational church. I believe that when Jesus was on the cross, Satan and his demons knew that Jesus was dying, but they did not know that Jesus was going to be resurrected. So Satan had the keys to death. So Jesus visited him and his demons in hell to take back the keys. Jesus didn't suffer in hell, but he did go there. According to the bible, keys is a symbol of power and authority. Rev 1:18, 9:1, 20:1.
---Rebecca_D on 10/27/07

Rebecca D if your statement is true then my statement must be untrue. But be that as it may, what denomination do you belong to?
---mima on 10/26/07

When we die our spirit is immediately with the Lord. Our body stays here waiting for the resurrection and for "the mortal to put on immortality" (1 Corinthians 15:53). Because we will already be in heaven, we will come back with Jesus when He returns. I will be riding a white horse (Revelation 19:14) - how about you?
---Helen_5378 on 10/9/06

lol lol nic thats funny. I rather go by what the bible says. Yes I have read so many ideas about death and life after death. The things man would believe is unbelievable yet he cant even come to God and be obedient to Him instead. I guess we all have choices. Thanks for the reply
---jana on 10/5/06

Hi Jana, there's an interesting reading i found abt the after life experienced by Peter Tan. When u died, ur spirit actually lingers longer than we thought. U may not realize that u died. But when u do u'll notice that there's a pull to either the light/the darkness, according to ur true nature. Then slowly you'll go deep down to hell or go to paradise. He mentioned that due to wrong teachings on earth, u'll have to be re-tought before reaching ur final destination (paradise). Well, who knows.. we will.
---nic on 10/4/06

when we die, we go back to dust in our graves and our breath goes back to God who breathed it into us. when Christ returns, He will procreate us again and we will meet Him in the air, after the dead in Christ are resurrected first 1Thes4:16,17. Noone goes to paradise/heaven till the 2nd coming. The dead know nothing. Satan can deceive us in this and can use our loved ones image to deceive.I recall my sister saying she saw our mum. She was deceived.
---jana on 10/4/06

The soul is not the mind, and the soul is not the spirit, they are separate. Each person is made up of a body, which is the building or flesh; a spirit, which is the breath or aspiration; and a soul, which is the life or anima. The soul can be living or dead. When one dies the spirit leaves the body and soul, and goes back to God. The body and soul remain behind on earth, until that time that the Lord will call for the dead to rise. (Mark 12:30; Acts 17:25; I Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 4:12).
---Eloy on 10/3/06

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go to Paradise first , then to Heaven
---r.w. on 10/3/06

Lisa ... I wrote to Lupe, upset because it looked from a series of blogs that he had not been playing the game. I now think it was someone else, trying to cause dissent, and using Lupe's and another's name.
I hope Lupe will write to me.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/28/06

we are like the disciples of Jesus who argued who will be higher or more important than the other instead of listening and learning from the Master. Yes, we are like that today and we dont seem to notice how the devil loves this kind of thing amongst God's children. we are not united altho we try to
---jana on 8/28/06

Hi sisters and brothers, Lupe wrote me that he got some nasty emails from someone, and had before too from others, and has decided to leave Cn. It was to difficult to try to keep up and not allow feelings to come into his answering and I believe they have. He knew it had become personal to others by their emails. He wanted to do it for the glory of God and God was not getting any glory. Maybe he just needs time off, but for now he is not on line. He emailed me and others. Sorry
---lisa on 8/27/06

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Ok, so I may have gone off the deep end about answering your comments, but I do know how to swim.
---Steveng on 8/27/06

Take a blog, any blog, and most people wont agree with each other. They mingle their earthly experiences with the Divine doctrine to make up whatever seems to fit at the time. It seems each person has their way of saying something that is based upon their person experiences instead of what the Bible teaches. Is it wrong? I dont know. Do you? Isnt that the way humans are? I suppose as long as we strive to be Christ-like thats all that matters.
---Steveng on 8/27/06

Each member of any one church also have different doctrines. Choose a church, any church, and ask ten members separately the same question (asking a "yes" or "no" question is not fair : )). Youll more than likely get ten different answers. Most Christian people are on a different spiritual wavelength. Only a handful I could honestly say are on the same wavelength as the Holy Spirit. I, for one, am not, I still havent scratched the surface of Gods doctrine.
---Steveng on 8/27/06

Christian doctrines, so many different Christian churches? Surely the Holy Spirit is not present in churches because, working in every denomination in the U.S., Ive know people would rather die before joining another denomination. Too many, in fact. Why is that? Just read the letters to the seven churches in Revelation. Sure, Love God and love your neighbor are in all churches, But the deeper doctrines of the church is what incites war among the churches, among the members.
---Steveng on 8/27/06

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God knows each of us intimately, but how much do we REALLY, TRULY know Him? Jesus said to Thomas, because you have seen me, you believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet believed. Most people have a hard enough time developing relationships here on earth let alone to persons unseen. Relationships between people are definitely not the same as between man and God. Granted, the Holy Spirit pulls us together, but why are there so many different
---Steveng on 8/27/06

greetings,for kristen there have been,two special resurections recorded in the you know as ascending to heaven, vanished in front of the one watching.the other was when a dispute over his body took place.normally we wait upon a roll call,the last one recorded in the bible was when paul stated"he led captives".
---earl on 8/26/06

(2).. Our relationship "you and me" is REAL, via the Holy Spirit.
---Billy on 8/26/06

Steve, Steve, I'll say this again, "with love", have you ever seen God "the father" face to face, or in person? No man has seen God and lived!! How do we have a "true" and personal relationship with the father? Only through the Son are we revealed who the father is! So does this make our relationship with the Father "NOT REAL"? Of course not, We have a relation ship with the father, through the Son. This is what i've been trying to get across.
---Billy on 8/26/06

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Lupe, I'm sorry if it sounded like I was arguing with Steven, and I hope you don't leave, especially on my account. I do need to show more love in the words I us to be a better witness for Christ. See you've helped me to see something in myself that I needed to see. Please stay...
---Billy on 8/25/06

Billy, You see, there is no real relationship between you and I. In person, I would immediately express myself to you that I never had a bad relationship with anyone on the net. I use the interent for business 75% of the time and personal 25%. The persons I have already had a personal face-to-face relationship are the people I communicate on the web, only because they live in Portland OR, Detroit MI, Atlanta GA, Chicago IL Canada, Australia, China mostly.

Thanks Lupe, Billy, Donna
---Steveng on 8/25/06

Lupe--There is a reason for you to stay. You don't SEE everything God does through you. Speaking for myself, you have encouraged me many times. Often, you speak as I would, if I could get my thoughts together. You speak in a personal, and humble, but scriptural way that I know hits home with many!
---Donna2277 on 8/25/06

woooo hoooo
---Billy on 8/25/06

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I believe the right answer is "when Jesus comes again"- the Bible teaches that when He shall come again, the dead in Christ shall be resurrected and join the living saints to be lifted up to meet Jesus in the air, to go to heaven with Him. P.
---Pierr5358 on 8/25/06

Rebecca_D, Mrs._Morgan & Ramon, please read the fuller context of 1 Pet 3:18-20. Christ preached by the same Spirit to the disobedient in Noah's days (v20). The 3 days in the tomb were peaceful sleep of death. Notice this sleep did not negate the resurrection & likewise will not prevent it at the second coming-1 Thes 4:15. Ramon, the hell compartment theory cannot be supported by scriptures. The same event happens to wicked & saved dead-unconscious sleep until the 1st or 2nd resurrection-Rev 20:4-6
---Geoff on 8/25/06

Lupe2618 - That's right ... don't give up. I know how you feel, but there is no fruit in giving up. Love your Blogs. Bless you.
---Helen_5378 on 8/25/06

Lupe 2618 - ("I believe that witnessing to others on the net is almost impossible"). Is that why I am having so many problems?? LOL.
---Helen_5378 on 8/25/06

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4. There is many times when I feel I should not be on, and I know there is a reason for me right now. When I feel God wants to move me, I will move on. For now, it is what I enjoy doing. I have learned from many here. John t. Elder, Daniel, Tommy, lee, Bruce, Pierr, and many great sisters, that know so much. We need to do it for the glory of God only. When He gets glory we are doing it for the right reason, otherwise we should stop.
---Lupe2618 on 8/25/06

3. I believe both are right in your answers. I have the time now that I am retired and never before did I study so hard. What I have to remember every day is to bring out the truth only, to debate if possible, to make sure it is not for my glory, and to not let personal feelings come into the picture. personal feelings do effect us when we answer. I find myself doing that many times and sometimes I want to quit. But I get many emails from others that tell me to continue and not give up.
---Lupe2618 on 8/25/06

2. to questions they might have had before as I have many times. The main reason for us to be on the web should be for the glory of God. Many here are on line to show how great they are, to prove someone wrong, to argue, to divide, to condemn others, and so on. It is hard to have a descent discussion with others because they come from different denominations. But others who read that have a pure heart and want to learn will look up Scriptures and will begin to learn more. That should be our goal.
---Lupe2618 on 8/25/06

Hello Steven and Billy, I just wanted to add something to this coversations that you two are having. I believe that witnessing to others on the net is almost impossible. There is nothing better then face to face. On the other hand, I believe the reason I am on is to teach what God has shown me to the believer. I know in my heart I cannot change anyone anyway, only God can change the heart, but I can help when people, other then the one talking to, read what I write and somehow find answers
---Lupe2618 on 8/25/06

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It sounds like you've had problems on the computer with other people in the past and so now you think it's bad for everybody. Eather way you said, " Facial expressions, tone of voice, gestures, manners, and appearance. Take all these things away and what do you have? Flat words." Is this how you read your Bible? I'll ask a question, if I type words on this sight, you don't think that God can give the words life, and convict a soul to repent?
---Billy on 8/25/06

(4).. But if what you say is true, and this is an unsure foundation, and this is your convections, then me and you both are foolish men for being here.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
---Billy on 8/24/06

(3).. I don't know how you get that there isnt any REAL relationship between or among people who converse on this sight or on the web. Me and you have begun a relationship with each other as we talk back and forth. I know that there is a real, breathing, individual talking to me on the other side. But of course it isn't a good idea to build a marital relationship this way.
---Billy on 8/24/06

(2).. If someone gets insight to God on what they have read here, then this can be the beginning of a relationship with God that can take them a long way. I would think that after they were to look back at where they heard some of these truths, and met some of the people on this sight, that they would weigh that relationship more than just a foundation of sand.
---Billy on 8/24/06

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The thing that I disagreed on was that On the Internet, people build relationships on sand. To talk to someone on the net is no different than Paul writting letters to the Ephesians, or the Romans, etc, etc. I did agree that a relationship in person is much better.
---Billy on 8/24/06

Besides, I believe that computers are a cause, if not a major cause, that peoples heart, as prophesied in the Scriptures, grow cold. There are a number of things that cant be accomplished on the Internet when communicating with another person. Facial expressions, tone of voice, gestures, manners, and appearance. Take all these things away and what do you have? Flat words. Do you agree?
---Steveng on 8/24/06

Why waste my tome coming here? Maybe I was led by the Holy Spirit. It was an unusual set of circumstances that led me here. I read a few of the blogs and became irritated by the plethora of answers on each blog, many not Biblically sound. If I could impart my wisdom of getting one person to spend half the time they spend on the computer to develop true one-on-one relationships all the Angels in heaven would shout for joy.
---Steveng on 8/24/06

When I mean a relationship built on sand is that there isnt any REAL relationship between or among people. Would you marry someone over the internet without meeting them in person? Its really ironic that deep down inside people crave being with someone, unless that person is cold hearted, but the fear of meeting someone is more powerful and therefore they dont. Just like public speaking. I believe that most despression can be eliminated if people werent afraid to socialize.
---Steveng on 8/24/06

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Me? A workaholic? Far from it. I meet people, do things, go places. Every person that crosses my path (in the real world) is a chance to witness whether at work or at play. I do smile, a lot and God gives me the strength. People call me at 2 in the morning and Im up and going to help them. And I have enough Godly energy to last all the following day including playing basketball or rollerblading with the neighborhood kids or helping with homework.
---Steveng on 8/24/06

(2).. But I don't see how you could have time, with your seven day a week, 17 hours a day, to even muster up a smile much less have the time "face to face", to bring Jesus to a lost sinner. I hope that all came out right... Eather way, If this is a relationships built on sand, why do you waste your time by coming here?
---Billy on 8/24/06

(1).. Steve, Other people might not be a workaholics like you, some people might have time through the day to blog on the net, and still have social time for personal witnessing. I still don't see where this would be sinking sand to witness on the web, I know that there are people that God does touch through things people say. It's happened to me...
---Billy on 8/24/06

Billy. I'm out of the house at five in the morning and don't get home until six thirty in the evening, seven days a week. I usually rest until seven pm to teach English until nine. I entered the computer field twenty five years ago and kept up to date about the relationships people have with computers. MOST people who blog sit there several hours a day. I just stumbled upon this site by accident three weeks ago. So Im here for an hour or so.
---Steven on 8/23/06

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Steve, Im sure you, me, and a lot of others have a work that they do other than sitting her on the web trying to spread the good news. Of course I do fellowship with other believers, and non believers face to face. So if this type of fellowship is built on sand, then why are you here? I don't mean this to sound hateful, but that was your impression on what's taking place here.
---Billy on 8/22/06

A true relationship is built on rock. People today have a hard time developing relationships on Earth, let alone developing a relationship with someone not seen. What is truly missing by feeding the poor in spirit using the internet? A genuine smile, a real touch, eye contact, a true feeling of comfort, one-on-one fellowship, when two or more people are gathered, develop true friendships, etc. On the Internet, people build relationships on sand.
---Steven on 8/22/06

What is it that were doing here? we are feeding the poor in spirit, Giving them water that they will never thirst again, Showing them that it's Gods righteousness that should cloth them, comforting them spiritually, when our brother is overtaken in a falt, we restore them spiritually, visit them in prisons, and much more. If we've done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
---Billy on 8/22/06

The only Lord, Jesus, resides in heaven; and to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
---Eloy on 8/22/06

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STOP this frivolous debate. This takes your time away from what really matter -- feeding the poor, quenching their thirst, clothing them, comforting them, looking after them when they are sick, visit them in prisons. Do all of this in the glory of God. Genuine love is serving others without asking for anything in return. Pray to God to give you the ability and the resources to accomplish His will while you are still alive.
---Steven on 8/21/06

(3).. Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
---Billy on 8/21/06

(2).. And why would be speek in parables? To make the meaning clearer? I don't think so.

Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
---Billy on 8/21/06

(1)..When Jesus talked about the rich man and Lazarus and also about the great gulf in this same story, it was all a parable. If this story wasn't a parable, then the scriptures are not true because here is the scripture.

Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
---Billy on 8/21/06

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No I didn't take it out of context. The bible says no one has ascended up in heaven but the Son of Man, which is Jesus. To me that is telling me that no one has ascended into heaven. In Eph, Jesus gave gifts unto men, the gift of prophecy, tongues, etc. Jesus was also in the heart of the earth for three days as Jonah was in the belly of a whale for three days.
---Rebecca_D on 8/16/06

#2.Read Eph 4:8-10. Verse 8 "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men"
When Jesus ascended to Heaven, He took the occupants of Abraham Bosom(believers) with Him.It does not only say "it gave gifts unto men". These captive was the souls of those who were in "Hades"(OT saints not NT). Again this verse refute your idea thats they no one in heaven. Your statement contradict such scriptures as:2 Corinthians 5:6-8.
---Ramon on 8/15/06

Rebecca. Again you taken scriptures out-of-context.Jn 3:13 saids " 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." When was this spoken? Was this before or after Jesus death? Are you a OT or a NT saint?
---Ramon on 8/15/06

Ramon; I don't believe in hearsay, I believe what the word of God says. The bible says no man has ascended up in heaven Jn 3:13, so what you said about the believers in heaven, can't be true. the verses in Eph you spoke of is saying that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth (hell) before he ascended in heaven. and it is speaking of Christ giving gifts unto men Ps 68:18.
---Rebecca_D on 8/14/06

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Rebbeca.#2.His body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the Paradise realm of Sheol / Hades. When Jesus ascended to Heaven, He took the occupants of Abraham Bosom(believers) with Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The lost side of Sheol / Hades has remained unchanged. Jesus didn't gave a second chance to sinners.And some, like you, believe he went and preached to the souls of Noah days (the ones that was in Abraham bosom).They are 2 interpretation of 1 Peter 3:19.
---Ramon on 8/13/06

Rebbeca. I thank God that you dont believe this heresy. This is what I believe. Sheol / Hades was a realm with two divisions (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called Abraham's bosom. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a "great gulf fixed" (Luke 16:26)
---Ramon on 8/13/06

Ramon, (3.)Every one that died "After the Flood" without the Lord , remains in hell. After the Flood, there were prophets, the written Word, and later Calvary. Jesus spoke of a rich man who was in hell, after the flood, who wanted to get out to warn his brethern, but Abraham said no, let them listen to the Prophets. --Mrs. Morgan.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/13/06

Ramon, (2.)Rebecca is right, Jesus didn't suffer!Jesus preached(1 Peter 3:19,20)(Ephesians 4:9)across that gulf that was once there , but it isn't there anymore. Some people make a private interpretation of these scriptures and claim that Jesus it still preaching to people in hell, that simply isn't true...
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/13/06

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No Jesus didn't suffer in hell, Acts 2:31, he went to hell and preached to the spirits in prison. Mt 12:40, 1 Peter 3:19. Plus Jesus told Mary to touch him not because he hasn't ascended up to heaven yet, Jn 20:17. Where do you think he was those three days Ramon?
---Rebecca_D on 8/13/06

Ramon, one of the things our Lord did in those 3 days was to preach to Noah's generation, because God felt they didn't have a first chance, they didn't have the prophets, written Word, or Calvary. God is Just, some believe that Jesus is still doing this, but the Bible makes no mention of that, this was meant only for the people before the flood.--Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/13/06

Cliff it shouldn't make any difference to you where the comma was placed. You have admitted you don't accept the New Testament. But I guess you do accept commas huh?
---Elder on 8/13/06

Rebbeca. Jesus went to hell for 3 days???. Please explain that futher. Most have the silly and naive idea that Jesus suffer in Hell after his death for 3 days so that our sins may forgiven. Do you believe this? If you do then you have problem because the doesnt teach that. Christ said it is finished on the cross.
---Ramon on 8/13/06

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I go to a non demonational church. The bible speaks of soul sleep. Many of times Jesus would say, he/she isn't dead but sleepeth. The bible even says no one is in heaven but God and Jesus and the angels. I too believe the bible on soul sleep. The thief didn't go to heaven right then because Jesus hadn't ascended to his Father yet and plus he spent 3 days in hell. So anyone want to challenge the bible on soul sleep?
---Rebecca_D on 8/13/06

lee_1, FYI, I never said that I believe in soul sleep, please do not accuse me of saying something that I didn't, It's just plain wrong. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/12/06

M&D:On the surface,without looking too deeply it appears to give that impression. Consider this; the word "paradise" here is not Greek or Hebrew but Persian meaning (Strongs Concordance) Park, garden or Eden! Adam and Eve were in Eden which was "paradise" It is this restored paradise that Jesus was promising the thief,after all Jesus was in the tomb for parts of 3 days which is hardly "paradise" now is it! The thief was not burried in the same tomb "with"Him !
---1st_cliff on 8/12/06

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