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Chipper, re: 1st Corinthians and Rev 10:7. The last trump is the last of the JUDGEMENTS, not the BOWLS. The BOWLS are the WRATH of God that come after. The Mystery of God only mentioned one other time( Colossians 2) in exactly those words ((many mysteries yes))is the Church...Christ and His Bride...Body. I believe this may point to the completion of the Church, now taken out of the way, so that the promises to the Nation Israel can be preached...having nothing to do with the Church..
---kathr4453 on 6/11/08

Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ,

Wow, just meditate on that for a while!!!! Only something the Holy Spirit can reveal to you, as you partake of the Hidden Manna of the very life of Christ in you.

Won't find this through head knowledge or human reasoning!!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/08

That dimension ain't here(Earth)though, It's "OUT" their.
A shame when people confuse themselves With words like, In, out, up, Down, Sideways, Spirit, Flesh.
I never thought the word "UP" would be so Confusing to people?
ough boy...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/9/08

"Up" is a dimension (in the Spirit), not a direction. If "come up hither" is the second coming, then it has already happened since that was spoken to John on the Isle of Patmos. Read a little further and you will see where John was immediately after he was told to "come up hither". He was immediately in the Spirit. Read it for yourself. It really says that.
---Linda on 6/8/08

And since we can be "in the Spirit" while on this earth and John himself never left the earth bodily in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, I don't believe it is too far out there to say that "up" is a dimension and not a direction.
---Linda on 6/8/08

Amen Rik in New Orleans.

Hopefully people will learn to read the Bible for what it says instead of just taking the word of people who tell them this is so and do not explain how or why.

I had to do a fair amount of reaserch to find out how Darby and Scoffield came up with this.
---Samuel on 6/6/08

"Come "UP" Hither" is The 2nd Coming(Returning),
When Jesus sets up his Kingdom for a 1000 yrs.?
I Don't Think so!
How can a Calling "UP". be A returning to Earth to set up a Kingdom?
The calling UP, is for the Marriage Supper!
Jewish marriage(7 days),
Tribulation (7 yrs).
Hav'nt you read thats what were supposed to be doing, Gathering for the Marriage Supper,
Where The Bride(US) is given to Jesus?

I guess i am a PRE-Trib.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/6/08

Samuel correct. "rapture" and the 2nd coming of Christ is one in the same...there's nothing secret about it.... LOUD AND SEEN BY EVERYBODY!! but as a thief, you won't know the exact hour or day he shows up. We will see the trib first...because when Jesus comes back he will destroy the unsaved at that time. No second chances and more returns of Christ as in the fictitious Left Behind series...that is satan working to fool people, but it is TOTALLY not scriptural.Rik In New Orleans
---Rik on 6/6/08

The rapture is in revelations. God will come down from the sky and call his people home. The dead in christ shall rise first then the rest of us will be taken away. Then we will be in Heaven forevermore. That is something that I am looking forward to.
---Diane on 6/5/08

The catching up of the people of GOD or rapture is at the Second Coming of JESUS. Every eye on earth will see Hima and his angels. The wicked will cry for the rocks and mountains to fall on them as they hide from JESUS. The angels of JESUS with gather the righteous to heaven and the wicked will die. Matt 24, Rev 1:7
---Samuel on 6/5/08

Deputy: "Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only way that makes any sense!" The post trib makes more sense when you look at the state of the world it's in. Look at it this way. Let the punishment fit the crime. Today's people are worse than any time in history. Worse than Noah's and Lot's days. People are more stiffnecked than any time in history. So, the people during the end times will need severe punishment.
---Steveng on 6/5/08

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This seventh angel sounds the seventh and LAST TRUMP and this happens in the last half of the 7 year tribulation period when God pours out His wrath on the earth.
---Chipper on 4/12/07

You can read about this seventh angel in Revelation 10:7 and 11:15 and 16:17.

When this seventh angel sounds, it's all over:
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
---Chipper on 4/12/07

Jana, Mat 24:29-31; 1Thes 4:16,17; and Rev 20:4-6; Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall reign with him a thousand years. No mention of a "Rapture", God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 4/13/07

Ashley, You are correct with the phrase of "these people" being afraid. They believe in a "Rapture" meaning they will be gathered up, and they put it out of place so as they won't go through the "Tribulation". But by "far" have they "missed" the mark. I threw a few verses to Frank to show what he calls a "Rapture" is actually the first "Resurrection." Keep speaking the "Truth," and God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 4/12/07

Frank, Actually it was 1Thes 4:16,17.
---Johnny_5 on 4/12/07

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Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Now read Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
---Chipper on 4/12/07

Frank, Actually you need to drop back one verse to 1Thes 16,17; Notice that the Lord will descend with a shout, voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. Compare to Mat 24:31; Also Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for a thousand years. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 4/12/07

Why is everyone afraid of the first resurrection? They have to invent a rapture. Where will everyone go if it precedes the first resurrection and why bother with it in the first place. Why didn't Jesus just say, come on righteous people and live with me. Why even bother about teaching about the first resurrection if everyone is with Him anyways. Also why bother with a judgement, if everyone goes to live with God after death in heaven. why, because foolish men have corrupted the facts for their own gain.
---ashley on 4/12/07

chipper: if the rapture is not as in resurrection, then where will the dead or living in Christ go when Christ come to take them to heaven? arent they being raptured after being resurrected? you bet they will be.
---jana on 4/12/07

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1 Thessalonians 4:17 makes the rapture very clear. So does Revelation. Overlook it if you will as that will only lead people astray. That I won't be part of. Answer for your proud spirit at the judgment seat of Christ. I'm outa here!
---Frank on 4/11/07

Frank, my post to Ashes also goes to you and others who use the word "rapture" in place of "resurection".
If someone can show me that these are two seperate and distinct events, then I will back off. But until then, I believe there is only one event, the "resurection".
---Chipper on 4/11/07

Please read Matthew 13: 47 thru 50.

Also, don't mistake the word "rapture" for "resurection".
---Chipper on 4/11/07

The rapture can be seen through types and shadows with Noah and Lot. Both were spared as the evil world and/or community around them was destroyed.
---Frank on 4/11/07

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I would like to add something.I have read Matthew several times and revelation several times. There is mention on a rapture. You have to look inbetween the lines. In Matthew Chater 24. Later in the chapter or into the next chapter(s), I relates to two men standing on a hill, one will be there, then one will disappear. Read it, you'll see what I'm talking about. I would interpret that as a sign of having it being a rapture.
---Ashes on 4/10/07

The Israelites (Jews) must rebuild the 3rd temple in Jerusalem and have the Red Heifer for the temple cleansing sacrifice before this so called "rapture" which isn't going to happen. But since the Arab Islamics still have control of the temple mount, this won't happen for some time.
Does anyone else out there know about this RED HEIFER?
---Chipper on 4/10/07

Ashley & Chipper, You both are CORRECT in mention of a "Rapture." It is not mentioned in the Bible, therefore it does not exist. As for Chipper's response, "If" the "Rapture" occured, NO, I would have no part of it either!!!! (See Mat 13:40-43) Rather yet, read the whole book of Matthew, as Chipper has stated. Chipper is correct also. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 4/10/07

The sad part of all this confusion is the fact that too many people get their theology from TV preachers and they really have no clue as to what the Holy Scriptures say.
I fear many on that day will say, "but this is not the way pastor so and so said it was going to be", and God will say, "but what did I tell you"?
---Chipper on 4/9/07

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Matthew 24, as in the days of Noe/Noah so shall be the coming of the Son of Man. The flood came and took "them" all away. This "THEM" was not Noah and his family. It was the unbelievers.
Also read the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13:40 (read all of ch 13).
I do not want to be in this "rapture".
---Chipper on 4/9/07

to answer the question, there are no scriptures in the bible to prove a rapture. it is a false teaching of man designed to give a false hope to many, like once saved always saved through no effort on your part. the only scriptures used talk about the first resurrection of the just. many men will teach false doctrines to vain people that always look for the easy way, not understanding you have to work out your own salvation through repentence and obedience to God's laws.
---ashley on 4/8/07

Johnny_5, OK after much writing you and Chipper have finally convinced me..... I don't believe either one of you are going in the Rapture.
Gonna miss ya.......
---Elder on 4/8/07

Chipper, I agree again, for there is no mention of a "Rapture" in the Bible. They just add to the Scriptures to their way of thinking. Keep the "Faith" and a good eye on these "false" doctrines. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 4/8/07

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If people would stop calling the "Resurection" the "rapture", then maybe they would start seeing the truth of Gods Word.
---Chipper on 4/7/07

Chipper, You are correct about the "Holy Ones" being in the "Tribulation". Elder, for example, and many others believe they will be "Raptured" before the Tribulation occurs. (Mt 21:22; Mar 13:19-20) Those days will be days of a tribulation that has not occured from the beginning of creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again. Unless God cuts short the days, "no" flesh would be saved, but for the holy ones, God cut the days. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 4/5/07

Chipper, Correct about the "Holy Ones" being in the "Tribulation". Elder, for example, and others believe they will be "Raptured" before the Tribulation occurs. They're only fooling themselves. (Mt 21:22; Mar 13:19-20) Those days will be days of a tribulation that has not occured from beginning of creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again. Unless God cut short the days, "no" flesh would be saved, but for the holy ones, God cut the days.
---Johnny_5 on 4/5/07

I am not an advocate of the Apochrapha but, if you read the first chapter of the Book of Enoch you will see that Enoch says that there will be the elect and righteous living in the day of tribulation.
---Chipper on 3/31/07

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TS and Earl, As I also stated,(Heb 11:13), In faith all these died, although they did not get the fulfillment of the promises, but they saw them from afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/30/07

TS and Earl, Here's your verse showing Moses and Elias being a vision. Mat 17:9; And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, "Tell the vision to no man until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." Being a vision meaning Moses and Elias was not actually there. Once again, see John 3:13 God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/30/07

greetings.johnny5.All three now reside in heaven as counselors among the group known as four and twenty elders.In the case of Moses, Satan did not want Moses given a special resurection so he protested the decision(disputed).Satan wanted Moses to have a group dispensation resurection(peroidic multitude of captives resurection)because in that previous age only the greatest of the great recieved such and Satan did not recognize his good he did ,for to carry the torch of truth is a tremendous responsibility.
---earl on 3/29/07

TS and Earl, TS, I have read the verse Ge 5:22 again and it has put me in a spot to reveal yet something you are not aware of. Deu 34:5,6; says, "Moses the servant of God died therein the land of Mo'ab at the order of God.(6) And he proceeded to bury him in the valley in the land Mo'ab in front of Beth-pe'or, and nobody has come to know his grave down to this day. Likewise is what happened to Enoch and Elijah. Once again, see Joh 3:13. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/29/07

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Earl and Ts, As I stated before, when Peter and the others saw Moses, they were very tired and sleepy, it was just a vision they saw, even Jesus called it a vision in one of the verses. If you can't accept the "Truth" that Jesus was the first to be resurrected, and that Moses and Elias was just a vision as stated in Mat 17:9 then I guess you don't believe the Bible is "True." Read again John 3:13. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/29/07

greetings.johnny5.There can only be one truth.Is it that Elijah and Enoch did not experience translation and Moses did not recieve a special resurection and Paul's narrative disqualifies all three?Is Paul's account of resurection and translation insufficient in that many say Peter recognized Elijah on the mountain.Was he mistaken?True, Jesus was the first of the new age to lead a multitude of captives,Paul spoke of it .
---earl on 3/29/07

Johnny: Enoch walked with God and "God took him" to heaven. Read Genesis 5:22 again.

Elijah was taken to Heaven Alive.
Moses died and was resurrected.
Jude1:9, Mat17:3

"Behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him" that time to give comfort and encouragement to Jesus before His coming Sacrifice.
---TS on 3/29/07

Earl, I know what you are saying, however Jesus was to be the first resurrected, so that he may be "first" in all things. Therefore a resurrection never happened before Jesus died and was resurrected, because Jesus was the first. Acts 26:23
---Johnny_5 on 3/29/07

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TS and Earl, Do you call yourselves "born again" christians???? There's only 2 answers to this question, yes or no. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/29/07

T.S, Moses and Elijah would not have been resurrected before Jesus.(Acts 26:23) the Christ was to suffer and be the first to be resurrected from the dead. The verses that you mentioned at Mat 17:3; and Mark 9:3 where Moses and Elijah appear was just a vision. Peter and the others were very tired, even Jesus calls it a vision in one of the verses. Col 1:18 says,"He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/28/07

TS, the penalty for sin is death, and they will remain in the grave till the resurrection occurs. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/28/07

Jana, your statements and writing confuse me. What are you saying?
John 3:27-29 speaks of the Bridegroom, Bride and Friends of the Bridegroom. Who do you consider those to be?
Hint, Jesus is the Bridegroom. The Bride is the Church Age Saints (not church goers). The friend is the Old Testament Saints.
Read Rev 22:17, Rev 21:9, John 3:29.
If there is no Bride why is there a marriage feast?
Learn dispensational truth and understand more of the Word of God.
---Elder on 3/28/07

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"No Man has ascended to Heaven except the Son"

Perhaps Elijah, Enoch, Moses are allowed in Heaven yet never allowed into the inner court? Perhaps Jesus stated this because the full Penalty for Sin had not yet been made. Maybe He made this statement because the Judgement had not been conducted that Full Ascension could be granted men with acceptance by unfallen worlds?

Elijah/ Moses so concerned about Christ success came to encourage Him at the Mount of Transfiguration.
---TS on 3/28/07

Elder: greetings brother..NT believers Bride of Christ. There is nothing whatsoever that says that in scripture. John 1:1,2 Christ is the Word/the whole scripture..Word made flesh and dwelt amongst His people. Christ is the Word..Old n New Testament..your using the NT only is like this. You only use the bottom/top part of Christ and reject the other.Christ is the Holy Spirit also before creation. He is Father, Son, H/S
---jana on 3/28/07

greetings.johnny5.True ,no man has ascended to heaven.Once translation is complete man no longer is recognized as being man(personality inhabiting a physical body) or having the title of -man.They are ascenders(personality inhabiting a non physical body) uniting with a body not having flesh and blood.
---earl on 3/28/07

Jeff said: As long as you are in the church you are not counted among this group of people who will be protected. The Jews have always been and always will be G-d's people.

The Children of Israel, the seed of Abraham are Gods people, not just the Judahites or who we call "Jews".
The only way they can be Gods people today is to trust in Jesus for their salvation.
---Chipper on 3/27/07

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Earl, I fail to see the where in your words concerning Elijah passing mortal death and being with the Father is true, for as I said before,(2 Chron 21:12) shows Elijah wrote a letter to Jehoram.(John 3:13)says, "No man has ascended up to heaven, except the Son." See also,(Acts 2:34;Heb 9:8)See also (Heb 11:13.)
---Johnny_5 on 3/27/07

Jeff: Gal13:28 "There is neither jew, nor greek..but all are one in Christ Jesus."

Dan9:24 "70 weeks are determined upon thy make an end of sins annoint the Most Holy". 490 Years, the 70x7 Jesus spoke about forgiving one's brother was given to the jewish nation.

The Divorce did come... "Your House is left unto you desolate" Jesus then left the temple never to return. Israel means "overcomer" and applies to all who come to Christ.
---TS on 3/27/07

Chipper-"The Children of Israel were not plagued by the frogs, lice,or locusts either.
God will protect his people during the tribulation."

As long as you are in the church you are not counted among this group of people who will be protected. The Jews have always been and always will be G-d's people.
---Jeff on 3/27/07

Chipper I responded to your post of 3/24/07.
The New Testament Christians are the Bride of Christ. None of the OT Saints are part of the Bride..
The OT Saints never had the Holy Spirit living in them. He came upon them not in them. He is the "down payment" for the Bride bought with His Blood.
This issue cannot be explained with one verse like so many people try to do.
Study the Church, Bride of Christ, The Marriage Supper of the Lamb and the Ministry of the Holy Spirit for a start.
---Elder on 3/27/07

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greetings.Johnny5.Elijah,the translated personality who passed not through mortal death is alive and well continuing to serve our Father.
---earl on 3/26/07

How did the bush burn, Jesus walk through a wall, raise the dead, walk on water and a thousand other miracles.
Don't be so silly in talking about velocity, altitude, G-forces, oxygen, etc.
God is supernatural and can do anything He pleases and is in no way limited by what we see as "the natural". Your argument is totally rediculous.
2 Kings 2:11 ...there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire,...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
---Chipper on 3/26/07

Elder: You said, "But remember the Children of Israel are not the Bride of Christ. They are the friends of the Bride".

I don't understand what you are saying in that "they are the friends of the bride". Sorry, but this makes no sense to me.
The born again saints are the bride of Christ. Does what you say mean that they are our friends? Can you give me some scripture for what you are trying to say?
---Chipper on 3/26/07

Earl,I was talking to you and Elder to make my point, however it was Elder who asked,"If Elijah turned to dust, then what happened to the chariot?" My point that I was trying to make is, in the book of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did not go through any type of transformation before entering the fiery furnace, it was just a miraculas thing that God did to protect them from their enemies. Also, Jonah in the belly of a whale. (cont.)
---Johnny_5 on 3/26/07

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(pt.2 to Earl,) And if you actually think about it, when the Earth flooded and covered the highest mountains, then there was some type of miracle going on there too, due to the lack of oxygen at that altitude. That's what I'm trying to say about Elijah, that God miraculasly picked him up with the whirlwind and moved him away from his enemies. There was no transforming of the body nor did he enter the heaven where God is. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/26/07

Ah! Yes, Chipper you are correct on 3/24/07 about the children of Israel.
But remember the Children of Israel are not the Bride of Christ. They are the friends of the Bride.
---Elder on 3/26/07

Earl, It's just as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, were saved from the fiery furnace in the book of Daniel, they did not go through some type of changing of the body, however it was one of many of God's "miracles" that kept them from burning, the same as Jonas in the belly of a whale, and so the same with Elijah. It was God that delivered them from their enemies. It was a "miracle." You can't explain how God did it, you just know He did it. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07

Earl, No, I don't beleive Elijah went through some transformation. You will see what I mean when my posts come up. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07

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greetings.johnny5.Where Did i say elijah ascended via a charriot of fire?Have you in your counter posts presented any scripture to verify Elijah's mode of transportation other than 'maybe'?At what altitude was recorded for Elijah's travels,knowing that the air is thinner the higher the altitude and blackouts are certain without being oxygen assisted if velocity is high and 'G 'forces are expected?Did not Elijah recieve a transformation without passing through normal human death,yes.
---earl on 3/25/07

In [Daniel 9:20-27] we learn that there is a 'seven' [7 year period] that will take effect in regards to future latter day events with Israel. In the Middle of the 'Seven' the Antichrist will start his plan of destroying the World.
Revelation tells us that the Antichrist will come as a powerful man of Trust and Peace! [the 4 horseman]. Later-this man of deciet will reverse his intentions and set out to destroy mankind and another Jewish Holocaust will take place.
---DePuTy on 3/25/07

As Jesus Christ explains [Luke 21:36] "Be always on watch, and pray to be found worthy to ESCAPE all that is going to happen!"
[1 Thess. 5:3] "..when they say peace and safety, destruction will come.. and they will NOT escape"

If Christ says in [Luke 21:36] that we will ESCAPE, this makes it CLEAR will not be in the Tribulation mentioned in [1 Thess. 5:3]. It would not make sense and it Contradicts the statement of Christ to believe otherwise!
---DePuTy on 3/25/07

(pt.2 to Earl & Elder,) So was it that Elijah went straight up to the heaven where God is? No, for he was simply picked up into the air and moved to a different place, being placed out of his enemies reach. For as we see Elijah still lives, 2Chron 21:12 says, "And there came a writing to him from "Elijah" the prophet, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah." (cont.)
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07

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(pt.3 to Earl & Elder), You can't read just one Scripture and take it as it stands, for it takes all Scripture to be beneficial. Maybe that's how that Rapture thing came about. People may believe that Elijah was caught up and taken away to heaven, but clearly the Scriptures show different. No wonder it's such a mess here, people don't take the time to fully read and understand the Scriptures. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07

Earl, and Elder, First of all, Elijah did not go to "The Heaven" in a chariot of fire. 2Kings 2:11 says,"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder: and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." First off, no chariot picked him up, it was a "whirlwind" maybe like a tornado. Next, the birds are said to fly in the heavens, (cont.)
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07

Chipper, a passage to help make your point:

2 Thessalonians 2:4, all of chapter 2 is useful for this purpose.

However, contrary to some out there, this does not refer to the Pope who is acting in the Person of Christ during certain practices in the same way the St. Paul did in 2 Cor 2:10. And no Paul did not use "anti" here, and nor does the RCC.
---lorra8574 on 3/24/07

One other fulfillment of prophecy that needs to happen before "the end", is the re-building of the temple in Jerusalem. How else will the "son of perdition" set up the "abomination of desolation" spoken of in Daniel 9 and Matthew 24:15 and especially II Thessalonians 2:3 ...
If we are still alive at this time, we will see the beginning of the tribulation period. Get ready, you are NOT going to be "raptured" anywhere.
---Chipper on 3/24/07

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Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

How could He find us sleeping if we are to be "raptured" out??
Wake up people!! are you already asleep???
---Chipper on 3/24/07

When God sent the 9 plagues on Egypt and the Pharaoh, He did not "rapture" the Children of Israel out of Egypt. God protected them through it ALL and NEVER did ANY of the plagues come on them. They had clean water to drink while the rest was blood. They had "light" in their homes while the rest of Egypt was in darkness.
The Children of Israel were not plagued by the frogs, lice,or locusts either.
God will protect his people during the tribulation.
---Chipper on 3/24/07

greetings.elder.If you could examine the protective equiptment that those who enter into the outer space level beyond our atmosphere then one will understand that the human body cannot function in a enviroment without atmosphere or one equalivent there to .The earth body is attuned to the earth enviroment.Seperation courts death to the physical human form.Therefore flesh and blood cannot enter heaven,the region just beyond our atmosphere where at a distant sphere the need for the sun is not required.
---earl on 3/23/07

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