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Is The Bible True

How do we know the Bible is true?

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 ---ivon on 8/19/06
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By reading it, there is no other book like it,nothing else has the ability to educate, sanctify justify,corrects,teaches,humbles, rebukes,satisfies,enriches and establishes new mercies daily within the soul or quenches the thirst of your existence as well as the word of God. In fact I read and can read no other book.
---Carla5754 on 4/21/08

ivon, you could ask that question about any literature that states historical facts. how do we know spraticus existed? julius caesar,whoever.are you asking about historical facts or spiritual truth?both are in the fact is the prophecy which has been fullfilled, there are others but I need to know what you are asking?do you want to believe? but can,t grasp God or his word?The bible is a witness of God,written by real holy spirit inspired men that really existed.
---tom2 on 4/21/08

Knowing what I just wrote, reading and studying the Bible through the eyes of a child, you will better know the truth. So open your heart, cast aside your adult inhibitions, and know the true God.
---Steveng on 7/10/07

of course the bible is true...and everything in it! I could write a million words and ideas to convince you that the bible is true and these may not touch you! because christianity which is based primarily on the bible is FAITH-based!
the bible says it takes faith to accept that god exists in the first place, and of course faith to know/descern/or accept the bible to be true.
there is realy no foolproof way to know that the bible is true. sorry!
---dorrett on 11/25/06

As the others have said there are books,history etc. that back it up. But more so it is faith a "heart" knowing so to speak that it is "true". I know in my heart that it is- so I dont need anything to prove this. I know that the sun will rise tomorrow in my heart I dont need "science", history etc. to prove this-- it just "is."
---Jeanne on 11/25/06

Wayne, you have explained it very well. Nothing is true to the person that does not have faith in God's Word. It has a story to tell, and only the believer will understand those stories. It is a way of life for us, in teaching and correcting us. All Scripture is inspired and if someone save does not understand one part of a passage, he should make every effort to find out what the true interpretation is without compromising the passages. They all connect and are all True.
---lisa on 11/25/06

2. If a person runs into a passage that implies something that contradicts another passage, we should make sure we find the correct interpretation. What I believe causes many problems is that people studying do not know the Nature, character, and attributes of God first, so that when they run into a passage and it seems to change God's nature or Character, then we know right away it is interpreted incorrect.
---lisa on 11/25/06

We know because His Spirit bears witness with our Spirit. It is through faith that we know. We find in the Word that which meets the needs of our soul, revealing the past, present, and the future in broad outlines; and providing a knowledge of the One who is the great source of life and happiness. The Bible does not attempt to prove, but rather reveals. Man can accept the revelation and thus KNOW, or he can reject and then know nothing at all.
---Wayne87 on 11/24/06

---jesus on 11/24/06

One sure way to know that the Bible is true is, because all who have accepted the words of Christ written in the Bible, have indeed become born-again and transformed into a new creation.
---Eloy on 11/24/06

Other proofs for skeptics that the Bible is true:
1-every prophecy has come to pass so far: 3,268 verses of fulfilled prophecies.
2-archaeological digs and artifacts prove the historical accuracy of names and places recorded in the Bible.
3-principles of science recorded in the Bible long before they were confirmed experimentally: earth being round; life in the blood; the earth's gravity; etc.
---Eloy on 11/24/06

I THOUGHT the topic was how do we know the Bible is true. The amount of witnesses to Jesus resurrection was enough to stand up in a court of law one lawyer said. Without the ressurection the Bible is just stories and a way of life book.
---Virginia on 11/24/06

Tofurabby ...# 1 Thanks for your kind words.
As to being "obvious" ... this is where individual perceptions may differ. It would be possible for the 490 to be taken literally, and also the hating of one's family that Jesus spoke of.
To me it is obviously hyperbole, but to others ... ?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

Tofurabby ...# 2 And to me the issue of the "high place" is obvious, but not to you.
We have to be careful not to be too dogmatic ... after all, as I have said before, whether or not the high place & physically seeing the whole world, or the 4000 fed is literally exact or not, both things are True.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

ps. Alan, You always straighten me out when I go off on my wild tangents. Thank you. :) I always appreciate your thoughts. They are some of the more sensible ones on here.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

=2= We see the point is not the number of offenses, but if he asks to be forgiven we should. ...yes, Jesus meant for us to forgive without counting. ...and yes, it is possible to go overboard with the literal interpretations. Some are obvious like this one. ...forgive me?
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

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You're right Alan. Do I really believe Jesus meant 490 was the limit? No. However, in this particular case, we can find another description of Christs meaning. Looking to Luke 17:3-4 "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." cont.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

LXX is the short hand for the Septuagent.

Septuagent is derived later from the legend that there were 72 translators, 6 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, who worked in separate cells, translating the whole, done at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285246 BC).

Thus the 72 became the 70, and LXX is easier to write than LXXII, and they coined the word "Septuagent" as a convience.
---JohnT on 10/9/06

....there are differences in the extant MS of the hebrew and translated greek versions of the OT?...some are quite significant.

True, but the inference is wrong. The differences between the Masoretic and LXX have been long known by scholars. But the OT translations are not done from Greek, but Hebrew. Significantly, Qumran (c.150BC) has remarkable similarities to Masoretic (600AD).

Inferring that the modern translations err because of differences between Masoretic and LXX is bogus.
---JohnT on 10/8/06

\-2-\ saultopaul (AND EVERYONE): [Hmm... I think CN must be using a FILTER now to delete any entry with 'dot'com, etc. So, trying again:] You should also do a Google search _within Christianet(dot)com_ for my username and various keywords. (Hint: How many people here quote from the Hebrew, Greek or Latin texts, when relevant?) You won't find everything, but it's better than making needless assumptions about someone here before writing about them.
---danie9374 on 10/7/06

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Tofurabby ... Your words, your own answer show that you are taking upon yourself the right to judge what is to be taken literally and what is not.
To answer yuor suggestion that 490 is sufficient, I myself have forgiven someone who has hurt me, more than 490 times, and belive that Jesus meant that we should continue without counting.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/7/06

Hello brother Daniel, your answers are really good. Your explanations are great, and you points or correct. I believe people want to argue for other reasons and not for the right reasons. Everyone has a pre-concieve idea already and wants to answer to the idea even when they don't know or study Scripture correctly. I found that by studying a few books on hemeneutics I was able to understand many of the passages. Now people will say, we should only read from the Bible and not another book,
---lisa on 10/7/06

2. While there is many books that are not good for us out there, our intentions for looking for help should be for God and not our preconceive idea. When our intentions are pure for the glory of God then God will guide us in selecting the correct way and after that we learn how to interpret Scripture since Scripture is final authority for the Christian.
---lisa on 10/7/06

3. If our intentions start from the wrong idea or reason then God might allow us to follow something wrong in order to chastize us or correct us later for a purpose. Many are going wrong direction right now and they think God has nothing to do with that but God is involve in every espect of our life's. There is not one molecule out of His control, ever. I know there is many great writers out there that God gifted to help us.
---lisa on 10/7/06

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4. I have been to Bible book stores and the minute I open a book that God does not want me to read, I feel the Spirit of God directing me. Of course I believe as MikeM said once that we should learn what other books too, in order to find out what others teach. This way we can bring the gospel to other faiths and allow God to do the rest. We cannot argue against anyone if we don't know what they teach, but always remembering the Bible is final Authority.
---lisa on 10/7/06

\-1-\ saultopaul: Sorry, MOD. didn't print my first reply; trying again:
For Ivon's question (RE: 'true'), major English versions are close enough to the original mss. to say Yes! WHY? Because you need a whole lot more than single words to express enough of one's thoughts into statements which finally bring up the idea: 'Is that true?' Before commenting any further, I suggest you read my 9/21/06 post to 'Aurunoday' (search for his name) in BLOG: Is the Whole Bible True; plus... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/7/06

Ivon, in response to danie's plea, I say the only reason one can believe the bible is true in every way is that they believe in the God who wrote the bible, trust that He inspired the bible, and trust that He cannot lie. We know the bible is true, because we know that God cannot lie, because we know God.
---Okebaram on 10/6/06

Saultopaul, #1: Isaiah 40:22
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." Written thousands of years before it was known that the earth was round and surrounded by the heavens (ie a spherical earth that looks into the sky in every direction)
---Okebaram on 10/6/06

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saultopaul (AND OTHERS TOO): BTW, Ivon's question is obviously emphasizing the _HOW_ in "How do we know the Bible is true?" and people should answer accordingly. That other BLOG I mentioned used the phrase "the Whole Bible" and if you have something very specific in mind, please go ahead and write a BLOG question on it; many would be interested I'm sure.
---danie9374 on 10/6/06

Ivon, we know the bible is true simply by revelation by the Holy Spirit. It is He who leads us into all truth. All scripture is given by God. Nothing anyone says or does that is flesh can convince an unbeliever, it is God who does that work
---Christina on 10/6/06

...saultopaul # 2, something literal from the bible? Job 26:7: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Written thousands of years before it was known that the earth is suspended in nothing and surrounded by empty space (outer space). Shall I go on?
---Okebaram on 10/5/06

Alan, 490 times appears to be correct. If your brother goes beyond that let me know, or if you know anyone who has a brother that went beyond that. I think Jesus padded the answer to a large enough number that it would never be exceeded anyway.
---tofurabby on 10/5/06

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Mrs Morgan, faith is not blind. Faith must have a basis. I believe generally what the bible says but to say its 100% historically, and scientifically accurate is a statement that is based on zero facts. I defy you to find any theologian in the world that teaches at a respected seminary who would say different.
---saultopaul on 10/5/06

danie- apparently you did not read the questions in the blog about what is the bible. Do you mean the translated KJV? Did you know there are differences in the extant MS of the hebrew and translated greek versions of the old testament? In fact some are quite significant.
---saultopaul on 10/5/06

saultopaul, if what you say is true, "Apparently nobody else knows what the word means either." If no one can figure this out (I am one of them, no clue what you are looking for), dont you think that maybe it is not us, maybe it is you? What are you asking? I dont think any of us know.
---tofurabby on 10/5/06

saultopaul,Sufficient evidence has been presented to mankind. Even brother Noah, figured this out,he didn't have the prophets,the written Word,or Calvary,was in that "first generation" of mankind,Yet still found his way to the Lord.Man must hunger for "The Truth", and It will lead him home! Regarding the Bible being true,Everything just adds up.What ever we don't "fully" understand , we accept, because of FAITH.God gives every one a "measure" of faith.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/4/06

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[6] some are so 'blind', no proof will ever be good enough for them! 5) Another asked, 'What does _Bible_ mean here?' That would be the books of the Hebrew Scriptures; the same ones as those translated into Greek (the Septuagint, 200BC or so); used by the majority of the first Non-Hebrew speaking Christians as their Bible. It's now called the Old Testament here, and is divided into 39 'books'. Plus the works of the Apostles and others now known as the New Testament (27 of them by name).
---danie9374 on 10/4/06

[5] they're no different than anyone else who refuses to accept something as basic as 1+1=2. Which leads to the conclusion Christ Himself said about those demanding proofs: "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead" (Luke 16:31)! Jesus didn't mean that no one has ever been confronted by a real physical miracle from God (as many did actually see people, such as Lazarus, raised from the dead!), but that... [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/4/06

[4] NOTE: You don't have to be an atheist to fall under this item either; there are many 'false prophets' who'll never become true followers of Christ! Demons know for sure God exists, but oppose His Sovereignty. Sadly, I've also had discussions with those who seem to know Christ, but act just as willfully ignorant of God's truth as any hostile atheist; yet consider their thoughtless remarks and disdain for anything called 'reason' to be some kind of mark of holiness! So, in that one apsect,... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/4/06

[3] 2) If 'we' means those who are not yet Believers, but the Spirit may be working in their lives, then I'll point them to those evidences my faith is based on (and pray for them). 100% scientific proof for God's truth does not exist, but of all the 'world views' to choose from, Christianity is historically the best! 3) If 'we' refers to those who vehemently oppose even the thought of having been created by God, there's little hope anything we write would be acceptable to them. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/4/06

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[2] Christian faith is based on factual evidences; rooted in history (if it weren't, it'd be no different than all 'man-made religions'): Read through 1 Corinthians 15:1-17; if your faith isn't based on the historical fact of Jesus' resurrection, "your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins" (v.17) as Paul said. Our faith not only rests in the many witnesses of Christ's resurrection, but also in fulfilled prophecy as others mentioned on the first page here. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/4/06

[1] For everyone; esp. those bogged down in side issues: "How do we know the Bible is true?" First, who are the we in that question? 1) If 'we' are those who've been called by God to become Believers, then ultimately we know for sure by faith; however, we do not have the kind of faith which mystics revel in and sarcastic humor ignorantly portrays in the old joke 'faith is believing in what you know ain't so!' No,... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/4/06

mrs morgan, I really appreciate your quotation of scripture but please reread this blog and answer my question. I still dont know what you mean by the bible as I have pointed out at least twice now. Apparently nobody else knows what the word means either.
---saultopaul on 10/4/06

alan, I have made your point if your point is that what is figurative in the bible is not true. If you are saying what is claimed to be literal and true is not true then I have not made your point.
---saultopaul on 10/4/06

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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Timothy 3:16,17)
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/4/06

okerberam, I dont have a problem with the word truth. I just dont know what you mean by bible. Look at my prior post and then tell me what you mean by Bible. Then while you are at it tell me your criteria for what is literal and what is figurative. In middle ages people thought earth was suspended on pillars because bible said it was. Do you still think the world is on pillars? If thats not literal how do you know? Because of science or because of the bible?
---saultopaul on 10/4/06

Saultopaul ... You have made my very point
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/4/06

Because by believing the Bible, God's word, my life is richly BLESSED, what I learn and what I receive from God's word daily. If I did not believe so,I can see no point to my existence. My life is based on the Word, BY THE Word, and that Word is Jesus Christ.. He is the Word and He is true and faithful.
---karin on 10/3/06

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Saultopaul, how hard is it for you to understand the word truth? How many definitions of true are there? The bible is historically AND morally AND spiritually AND prophetically AND biographically true. Should I keep going?
---Okebaram on 10/3/06

tofurabby, sorry for my delayed response. As soon as you answer my previous proof questions I will be happy to respond to the rest of your issues. By the way if the KJV is THE ENGLISH VERSION inpired by God why is it that not a single seminary in this country teaches from it?
---saultopaul on 10/3/06

some verses are obviously figurative. I have never cut off my hand when it caused me to stumble nor have I gouged out my eye. I dont need math accuracy but I need accuracy on things that are said to be accurate.
---saultopaul on 10/3/06

to furabby
what's your evidence that the KJV is the truly God inspired Translation and that other translations are man perverted? Do you even know if the MS used in the KJV translations still exist today? Since we dont have the original MS from the original authors how do you know which current MS is the truly accurate one?
---saultopaul on 10/3/06

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Tofurabby ...since Saultopaul has not answered about how many times we are to forgive our brother, perhaps you can say whether we are to stop after the 490th time. If the Bible is strictly literally and mathematically accurate, we should then stop, and condemn him.
As it is, I prefer to believe that the Bible is 100% TRUE, and that is what Paul said.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/3/06

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." 1 Thessalonians 2:13
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

"Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth." Jeremiah 1:9
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21
Peter knew that the Holy Ghost wrote the scripture, Peter was not allowed to interpret it himself.
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 14:37
Paul wrote exactly what was commanded to be written by God.
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)
The word "inspired" (theopneustos) in the original Greek language literally means "God-breathed".
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

I really do not know what the "Brough ha ha" is all about bur reading this blog is like reading a graphic accountOf the war of the Roses (Figuratively speaking)How do we know how the Bible is true =because it is the word of GOD. 1John5;6-7.We all know that the word was inspired by the HS,WHICH IS TRUTH.Those who believe accept this & those who dont are in need of Conversion.
---Emcee on 10/3/06

"How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;" Ephesians 3:3-5
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

Tof Where does the Bible actually say this?
"The entire Bible is the literal words of God penned by the HS"
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/3/06

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Saultopaul... Can I stop forgiving my brother once I have done it 490 times? What do you think Jesus really meant?
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/3/06

Saultopaul ... I am sorry your faith is so weak that you need such mathematical accuracy to Jesus's power
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/3/06

saultopaul, The original pen to paper. It was God's Words to us. It has also been preserved through time so that we today can still read his very words. It has been accurately translated in our tongue, as well as other languages. This would include the KJV for English speaking people. Yes, there were some bad manuscripts that were perverted by man. Unfortunatly other English translations used those few bad manuscripts.
---tofurabby on 10/2/06

4010 is ok even if it says 4000? What if its 5000? what about 10,000? what if its 4? What if the part thats not accurate is that they were actually fed? Your statement is illogical.
---saultopaul on 10/2/06

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Sorry to sound dumb but I dont understand the question.
The bible- does this mean the original penned manuscript that was not the bible at the time it was written? Does this mean the thousands of manuscripts with various differences that exist today? Does this mean the KJV or the NIV? Do you mean the greek version of the old testament that Jesus would have referred to that is different from the older arabic versions? Please explain the question.
---saultopaul on 10/2/06

My definition of True is a bit different from Tofurabby's.
I say the Bible is 100% True, because its Message is clear and incontovertible.
It does not matter whether there were exactly 4000 people fed, or 4010. The exact number is immaterial. What matters is that a great multitude were miraclously fed
---Alan8869_of_UK on 10/1/06

The entire Bible is the literal words of God penned by the HS through the hands of men. It is to be read literally unless there is a clear indication otherwise.
---tofurabby on 9/29/06

Ok, I am really disappointed. All you people who think the bible is true jump up and down on it until someone asks you what you mean. Then you get real quiet. How can you possibly say the bible is true in any sense of the word if you cant even define the term?
---saultopaul on 9/16/06

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will you guys stop arguing about whether someone says the bible is not true and lets get our terms defined. I have asked for a definition of bible and have not gotten it. I have not even gotten to what you mean by truth, that is scientifically, morally, historically, ect or how you determine if a verse is to be literal or figurative to know if it speaks truth or hyperbole. If you guys would define your terms you may find you are not that far apart.
---saultopaul on 9/15/06

Lee 1 ... I have to apologise, & perhaps this is just a culture thing.
In the UK, Christians tend to accept Exodus 20 verse 16.
Maybe it's different for you.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/15/06

Lee 1 ... You stated on several occasions that I said the Biblke was not true. That was a lie.
You repeated that lie. You have still not withdrawn that lie.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/15/06

I thought it was simply by God given faith...
---karin on 9/15/06

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4. I did not fail to respond to you Alan, I thought I had explained it to you already. I didn't think it was that big of a deal to continue to talk about it to you. Now you have made it a big deal because some how your feelings are hurt and you demand an apology. Well Alan, I apologize for ever answering you. Really, I should have known better then to answer you. I will make it a point never to answer you. Thank you for your question "again".
---lee_1 on 9/14/06

3. She was hurt and so was Helen. They are speaking on behave of the Christian conduct before the world. Tom2 answered you and said he thought reading and studying the Bible was not enough and that we had to appy it and you said he was attacking you. And with me you have continued to say I am spreading lies about you. I have never done that. All I did was question your interpretation of the passages. I gave you a ful inside on what Literal interpretation was. That was not good enough.
---lee_1 on 9/14/06

2. You have to understand Alan that if you answer or post something not everyone is going to agree with you. You are not perfect and neither is anyone. We all have an opinion. With Lisa, all you had to do was say, that in the United kingdom, the culture is different. No, someone else had to come in and say it. So that she could understand. No one would have been hurt. Didn't you ever think that maybe in other countries they don't do that?
---lee_1 on 9/14/06

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