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Should We Follow Ungodly Leaders

Shouldn't one refuse to follow ungodly leaders? Where does one draw the line? What about the "lording over"? How far is too far when telling laity what they can and cannot do? Isn't this what "religious" hypocrites did--make rules too hard for the Jews to follow?

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 ---glory77 on 8/25/06
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You need to refuse to follow ungodly leaders.

The Man-made trin - relig - org's - churches beginning with the rcc & their teachings of once saved always saved, easy believism, no works salvation, the sinner prayer etc Are All Lies from these Blind - guides. They Are here Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15. The blind lead the blind & they both fall into the ditch(hell).
---Lawrence on 6/21/10

We are presently residing in the greatest nation in the world, praise the Lord, because somebody told King George to go jump in the lake(or Boston Harbor). And I'm thankful that those people refused to follow wrong leadership.
---mima on 7/10/07

Jack, what is your point?
---MikeM on 9/2/06

I asked this on another blog, and I'm going to ask it here, as it is apropriate.

Did Jesus proclaim the Democracy of God?

Did He proclaim the Republic of God?

Or did Jesus proclaim the Kingdom of God?

Which form of earthly government best refects what Jesus proclaimed?
---Jack on 8/31/06

"We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus!" Paul Revere
"The people have the right under God to kill a tyrannt as one would kill a mad dog or a murderer." -John Adams
"It is the peoples right and responsibility to despose of leaders who work against the liberties of the people. Liberties and rights are usurped by unGodly leaders. Godly men must in be in eternal rebellion against such.." James Madison
---MikeM on 8/27/06

Roman and protestant Clergy, twisting holy script have such visions sold to monarchs, who, using script have tortured and debased te laity, and the populace. Such doctrines are unintelligible musings that will be left out of the halls of goverment, the vile union of Church and state will not be the heritage of America-Thomas Jefferson
---MikeM on 8/27/06

>"If God is withen me, then He will lead me, if God is in some potentate, let him lead that potentate. Potentates claim God says I should follow them, but God has not revealed this to me, so potentates in England can find others to follow their self-serving deity, not I-Thomas Paine."
---MikeM on 8/27/06

"If Kings and Queens rule by divine right, then let them rule in heaven, for they will not rule me!" Thomas Jefferson
"Any ruler or system that rules without the mandate of the people is an affront and must be disposed of, by any means. Rebellion against tyrannts is the divine mandate."-Thomas Jefferson
---MikeM on 8/27/06

Yes we must obey the laws of the land. Does not mean that we have to agree with them. Therefore we must do as the leaders say in this country. It is obvious that the majority of the leaders in this country are not christian lead. Therefore we must keep them in prayer.
---Susan on 8/26/06

Depends on what you mean by follow. Daniel 6 is a good example of when a believer was justified in not following an ungodly leader. In Acts 5:27 -29 we also have accounts of the apostles not following local laws prohibiting the preaching of the gospel. Where a leader is attempting to usurp the authority of God and placing ungodly demands on the people or leading them astray, absolutely are we NOT to blindly follow them.
---AlwaysOn on 8/26/06

We only have ONE Leader, and that's God and His word. Follow Him. Follow His word, and if you have a human being in your midst who is in a position of authority over you, submit to them as unto the Lord. Don't follow them, but rather set a Godly example to them like Joseph did. Last year I had to submit to a very ungodly boss. She was truly wicked. Because I treated her with respect and dignity, the Lord removed her from my midst after a year she was fired.
---Donna9759 on 8/26/06

We should never follow ungodly leaders. We will become like those we follow. Leaders in the church have no right to be telling the congregation what to do in their personal lives, i.e. lording it over them. Lording it over people is very evil indeed and we should not submit to it at all. We are to submit to the Lordship of the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Helen_5378 on 8/26/06

was saul still king of Israel, even when he was not keeping Gods word? yes be subject to them ,but by follow if you mean agree with their decisions if they are not of God, his nature,his word then the answer really is obvious, NO. you are sining if you are lead astray and know better.
---tom2 on 8/26/06

God has the leaders of the world in His hands. The people in positions to be leaders are considered representations of the people they are over. If Christians would vote and BE and LIVE as Christians and actually run for offices and be nice about it, change would be in our favor. (in the USA) but if we are in the end times... what can you expect? Just prepare
---Amy9384 on 8/26/06

Even ungodly leaders can do some Godly things. You don't have to follow the ungodly things. Leadership can step out of line if they meddle with your family. As for the Jews, Jesus told them to walk 2 miles if they were asked to walk one and turn the other cheel if they were struck. I don't know all the details here but is someone in leadership pushing someone farther than they are willing to go? They could, with a good heart, just remove themselves and go elsewere. That's better than rebellion.
---john on 8/25/06

Glory, it sounds to me like you're getting your toes stepped on.

Could it be that you're hearing things you need to hear and just don't like?
---Jack on 8/25/06

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Someone who does this is puting the people under the law. Grace does demand obedience to any man made law or Old Testament law to retain the grace of God. Legalism will put anyone under bondage. Scripture says where Jesus is, there is freedom. Not freedom to sin but freedom to live life and live it abundantly.
---Debbie on 8/25/06

It's the "ungodly leaders" duty to inform you that God requires your best measure of obediance.

It's your duty to be self controlled and obey the word through the Holy Spirit as you are so led.

If I am your pastor and God gave you free will, who am I to try and take it from you? All I can do is remind you of where the line is drawn and let the Holy Spirit provide the conviction.
---Pharisee on 8/25/06

If they're teaching truth then we are suppose to obey them. Jesus said: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice." (Mt 23:2) To "sit in Moses' seat" means they had the authority to interpret & teach Mosaic law. This is from oral tradition & isn't in the OT (it's where our word "cathedra" comes from).

So in short, do as they say & not as they do.
---augusta on 8/25/06

well yes in many areas they went overboard,but remember God decided that a new covenant was needed for his people, they rejected him though.ungodly leaders falls into the scripture be in the world but not of that world.theres so much ungodlyness in america today, as christian we must show them by protesting and our votes that we are not happy with the direction we are heading.
---tom2 on 8/25/06

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