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Did Jesus Ask For Money

Can you imagine Jesus, after a sermon, saying, "And now my disciples are coming around with a collection plate. If what I have said to you today moves you in any way please make a financial gift to further this ministry."?

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 ---Ryan on 9/4/06
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We pay our pastor about $35k.
---learner2 on 3/4/15

In the Seventh day Adventist church we do get a budget and can look at all expenses.

Our Pastors are payed from our Headquarters and make about 45k when they first start.

Jesus had a fund that was collected and women came along who helped and supported them.

Luk 8:1-3

And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/15

if the church cost money then why does not these church provide for FINANCIAL STATEMENT to show WHERE THE MONEY WENT. but churches DO NOT PROVIDE FOR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS - how much were the electricity or water expenses.but the majority of the expense are pastors' big salary. they will accuse you that self is a SIN but they want a big salary..HYPOCRITE!!!
---mulligan on 3/2/15

As an old pastor used to say, "Salvation is free, but the church costs money."

I don't know any grocery stores, utility companies, or real estate agents that supply stuff for free to ministers or churches.

And contrary to what a lot of people--even educated ones--think, ministers MUST pay income tax.
---Jack on 7/31/08

Jesus was the example of the believer in a perfect relationship to God.
He didn't have a home, or a bank account, and relied on God for everything.
If he had money and was here among us I bet he'd throw it all into a collection plate.
Why the hang up over money? Is this becuase of your faith? Read Malachi 3 God said to test him in giving, that you'd recieve a blessing you couldn't contain for filling his house.
---Pharisee on 5/7/07

Ryan. Don't forget that wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in his name, there he is in their midst. Outside, inside, big buildings or small tent. House or crystal palace, that is his promise. Being irritated by the size and expense of buildings is understandable but not necessary. Just look at the building instructions God gave for the temple. Most of our churches are matchboxes compared to that.
---john on 9/12/06

Ryan, "And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves." Luke 19:45-46
It looks like Jesus is claiming the buildings we worship in to be his house if you ask me. Just be cause he doesnt dwell in them doesnt make them any less his. Ps. My pastor takes $0 for his services. So his pocket linings are nonexistant.
---tofurabby on 9/11/06

shira_9639, Since Jesus is God and His knowledge of law far surpasses human understanding what offering do you think He asked for; Burnt, Meal, Peace, Sin or Trespass? And since Jesus was not a son of Aaron it would have been a violation of law for Him to commence with the laws & ceremonies of the offerings. Study the first 6 chapters of Leviticus for a better understanding of offerings and you can see why your statement does not make sense.
---Ryan on 9/7/06

tofurabby, you say: "...God's churches, ministers, etc. which has a cost (electricity, water, waste, etc.)"
The interesting thing, scripture is very clear that God does not dwell in buildings made by human hands. If you wish to 'Pay back' what God has given you this is done by complete submission to the Holy Spirit and being a living testimony to the true and living God. There is no fruit in giving money to a building that God does not live in and lining the pockets of the man in the pulpit.
---Ryan on 9/6/06

shira, you say: "All ministries need money to support themselves."
This statement appears to limit God's ability to call out His elect. If money is a necessity to spread the Gospel than God is limited by finances?
---Ryan on 9/6/06

Jesus just may have ask His diciples to take an offering. The bible says if everything had been written that Jesus did, the world couldn't hold it. All ministries need money to support themselves. All churches need money. We are suppose to take care of our pastor and his family.
---shira_9639 on 9/6/06

Ryan, I definately agree that it is spiritual, but thought that scripture could fit as a directive to give. I would think that we should give anything that is beyond what we do not need to survive. After all, in reality, the penny with caesar's image could not even exist without God's creation of metals. We utilize God's churches, ministers, etc. which has a cost (electricity, water, waste, etc.) shouldnt we try and pay back some of that cost? If we loved him?
---tofurabby on 9/6/06

tofurabby, what are "...the things that are God's."? Money? riches? wealth? or is Jesus referring to something spiritual here?
---Ryan on 9/6/06

Matthew 22:19-21 "Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
Jesus commanded us to pay taxes (obey the laws) and to give to God.
---tofurabby on 9/6/06

** Jack,
Actually Jesus was the example of the believer in a perfect relationship to God.**
Jesus IS God Incarnate.
---Jack on 9/6/06

Jack, my beloved brother, the topics we have been discussing are tithes and offerings. I never said that people should not give. I love to give, giving is inherent in the Christians heart. I will not give someone else money to go do the Lords work for me though however, that is a personal belief. Christians should not redefine tithe and offering when God has already defined them.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

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Finally, Ryan, you are indulging in EXACTLY the kind of legalistic scholasticism that Jesus came to deliver us from--and that He even warned us could get in the way of a relationship with Him. John 5:39-40
(BTW--2 Cor 9:7 talks about giving, and it's clear from the context that MONEY is what is being given--specifically to support the ministry. You also have money being given to the Apostles in Acts 5:24, 37. How does this fit in with your theory of no collections should be taken?)
---Jack on 9/5/06

Actually Jesus was the example of the believer in a perfect relationship to God.

He laid aside his Godly rights, privilidge and attributies and took upon himself human flesh and operated as a man empowered by the Holy Spirit. Phil 2:6-8

He was led by the Spirit Matt 4:1
Empowered by the Holy Spirit Luke 4:18,19 Acts 1:2
Obeyed the Father John 17:4 John 6:38
Prayed to the Father Matt 11:25, 14:23 etc
Submitted to the will of the Father Luke 22:42
---Bruce5656 on 9/5/06

Every Labourer is worthy Of his hire-yes even those who labour in His vineyard.As each is called to account for his actions.In this day & age money is a means to an end, although the rule is 10 % yet remember the story of the widows Mite Give what you think you can afford within Reason.the answer & amount lies between you & God.No body is twisting your arm.
---Emcee on 9/5/06

In any case, the Bible itself says that the CHURCH is the pillar and ground of truth, not the Bible.
---Jack on 9/5/06

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Remember that primitive Christianity is just that--PRIMITIVE. Nobody wants to practice primitive dentistry or primitive abdominal surgery, do they? Primitive Christianity is no better. It would involve real persecution (not just social disappproval), imprisonment, martyrdom, no buildings, and even not having a Bible handy--you'd simply have to listen to what your bishops and presbyters told you.
Are you willing to be that primitive? I doubt it.
---Jack on 9/5/06

**Now concerning offerings, there are five...again we see no money involved in any of these.**
Don't you think a bag of zucchini or pound of butter that you have produced be a bit messy in the collection plate?
Barter (including bartering with one's own produce), not money, was the means of exchange 3000 years ago. But this is NOT 3000 years ago.
---Jack on 9/5/06

**Jack, Christians need to study what is being passed on as 'truth' from behind the pulpit**

Why do you think I'm Orthodox and not a pop-evangelical?
---Jack on 9/5/06

Thanks Alan. That's what I was aiming to do.
---Pharisee on 9/5/06

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#8 Jack, Christians need to study what is being passed on as 'truth' from behind the pulpit. As far as paying the bills of buildings established for 'christians' to hide in on Sunday, I say that is absolute rubbish. God does not dwell in buildings made of human hands. Get out into the world and befriend the friendless, father the fatherless, give to the poor, and comfort the widow; STOP HIDING & PAYING SOMEONE ELSE TO DO GOD"S WORK.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

#7 Jack, Now concerning offerings, there are five. They are explained in Leviticus chapters 1-6. They are 1) Burnt offerings, 2) Meal offerings, 3) Peace offerings, 4) Sin offerings & 5) Trespass offerings; again we see no money involved in any of these. These offerings all point to Christ. The Messiah is all of these.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

#6 Jack, Tithing is not money, it is only given to the tribe of Levi and it should be abolished in New Testament congregations. We can not, as Christians, pay someone else to do Gods work. Every individual Christian should take his or her 'tithe' and personally go out into the world and GIVE it to those who need it.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

#5 Jack, None of the description of what a tithe is involves money. The tithe was established as a inheritance for the tribe of Levi Numbers 18:21. Levites had no land they only had cities. Without land they had no where to farm or raise cattle, both of which are necessary for food, clothing, oil and many other raw materials. So we see the truth of the tithe was to provide for the tribe of Levi basic raw materials required to live.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

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#4 Jack, Leviticus clearly defines tithe:
Lev 27:30 'Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S; it is holy to the LORD.
Lev 27:32 'For every tenth part of herd or flock, whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the LORD.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

#3 Jack, So if we are to follow Abram's examples when I go to war to free a family member I will be sure to give a tenth of the spoils to the high priest king of the land and I will give the rest of the spoils to the people of the land, we should also be sacraficing because Abram also sacraficed. Oh by the way... Abram also had a child with a woman that was not his wife, should we adopt this practice as well
---Ryan on 9/5/06

#2 Jack, Tithing, some will say, pre-dates law because Abram tithed. Abram 1) Did not tithe of his personal wealth, 2) Gave to a high priest king of Salem a tenth of the spoils of war 3) Abram was following the customs of the times, Abram used the lands in soddom and salem and paid the tithe to use them 4) Abram did not keep any of the spoils of war for himself.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

#1 Jack, Many Christians worldwide are taught to tithe and make offerings (Both of which are taught as money). I find it interesting that one of the first things you receive when you join a congregation is a tithing envelope and instructions on how to tithe and make offerings. Tithing is taught in a majority of congregations and, as these blogs have shown evidence, people are generally ignorant to what tithing and offerings were and why they were practiced.
---Ryan on 9/5/06

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Pharisee ... I think perhaps people are trying to trip you up, and make a point that they appreciate something about Jesus that you don't.
I took your comment as meaning "Jesus was an example to believers of a Being in perfect tune with God, since He is God"
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/5/06

Mike "As a parapatetic preacher, he would have charged for his teaching"
An interesting idea. I had always imagined Him to be a bit like the street preachers of today, who ask no money.
Is there any scriptural evidence for either?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/5/06

** Please notice how this statement equates with or at least mingles salvation with a church.**
But the church IS God's instrument of salvation.
---Jack on 9/5/06

** Jesus was the example of the believer in a perfect relationship to God.**
How odd. I thought Jesus WAS God--God Incarnate.
---Jack (Vote) on 9/4/06
Notice I said "example" and yes he is God, which speaks to our shame that we may need an example of meekness in the first place.
The only thing odd is how full of hate you are, and you still calling yourself by the name Christian.
---Pharisee on 9/5/06

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It is said, not sure where, that the Mary's. unspecified which ones, supported him and the disciples.
There is no evidence that Jesus was rich, yet no evidence he was poor either.
As a parapatetic preacher, he would have charged for his teaching. to those who could afford it, free to the rest.
---mike8384 on 9/5/06

I don't really like the collection plate being passed around. I think a box in the back of the church to put money in would be ok. However Jesus didn't have anything negitive to say about the collection plate when He mentioned how the widow put in her one mite.
---wayne on 9/5/06

Please notice how this statement equates with or at least mingles salvation with a church."As an old pastor used to say, "Salvation is free, but the church costs money." Perhaps if more attention was paid to salvation and list to a church the kingdom could grow faster.
---mima on 9/5/06

No I can't imagine Jesus "asking" for donations. We don't take any collections at my church, either, but God meets all our needs. Of course, Jesus had some unusual finding money for taxes in the mouth of a fish! That's never worked for me.;>)
---Donna2277 on 9/5/06

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Uh, Ryan, you seem to trying to make a point with this particular direction your blog questions have been taking.
Care to drop the coyness and tell us EXACTLY what it is that you're getting at?
---Jack on 9/4/06

** Jesus was the example of the believer in a perfect relationship to God.**
How odd. I thought Jesus WAS God--God Incarnate.
---Jack on 9/4/06

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