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No Singing Or Prayer For Women

If a woman is to be silent in church, is she not allowed to pray, is she not allowed to sing? Should we reference Strong's Concordance to find true meaning of "woman" in 1 Tim 2:12?

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 ---Rachel on 9/8/06
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thank you madison, my bible tell me that god is not respector of persons. There was
Mary, Jesus' mother and what did she do? She carried the word. Isn't that something? He can use anyone at anytime. I feel in the spirit right now it must be in orderthat you open your mouth.If the men do not come forward who will he use? He can use women, I am a singer,anointed and gifted. Delivered and santified. ANd I will not quinch his spirit. Jesus said you confess me before man, I will confess you before my father in heaven. You deny me before man I will deny you before my father in heaven.
---faithful on 11/2/08

I agree with Madison1101, my understanding was that in those days the men sat with the men and the women sat with the women. So sometimes the women would be calling over to their husbands with a question or comment about these new teachings or something and disrupting the lesson. Just what I've heard :-)
I think if we're going to be disruptive, we should ALL be silent in church, men and women.
---Todd1 on 6/15/08

Women are NOT to be silent in the church. That verse is always taken out of context by sexist people wanting to oppress women in the church. Read the context of that verse, where Paul was talking to a specific group of women about a specific problem in that particular church. PERIOD.
Women can sing, pray and minister in the church more than men will allow.
---Madison1101 on 6/14/08

greetings,,,january 16,a.d.29,,"in the kingdom of heaven there is neither rich nor poor,free nor bond,male nor female,all are equally the sons and daughters of God"
---earl on 5/11/07

There is a Prayer that comes from the Heart. There is a Song that comes from a Woman's Heart. Without spreading her lips to speak and without opening wide her mouth, her Expression is More Moving than if she chose to be vocal. When a Woman is the Body of Silence, it is for Her own Honor.

---Reiter on 11/14/06

Linda, Good catch. just as the Lord raises up Fathers in the Body of Christ, (Paul)
1ST John 2:12-14, HE also raises up Mothers! Let's keep growing ladies. Churches can't stop that...even if there comes a day when we or any Christian may see signs, "Closed". Our life is IN CHRIST the Church, not in a building.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/06

Rachel::Why is it that some women feel inferior.That is not so in the eyes of God & good kind thinking men.Many women in the catholic/C lead the congregation in Prayers & do the readings.Distribute the Holy Viaticum.& just in case you don't know they who sing in Church pray twice as hard & is more acceptable to Almighty God.
---Emcee on 9/14/06

Another thing about Deborah. She told Barak that the victory would be delivered not into the hands of a man but into the hands of a woman. She was raised up a mother in Israel to deliver Israel from idolatry.
---Linda6563 on 9/14/06

Does anyone remember Deborah in the OT. She was one of the Judges over Israel. Not only did she Judge, she also sang, Judges5:1 She led an army against Sisera.
She was also married. Her husband didn't seem to be threatened by her calling.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/06

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
---Theophillus on 9/12/06

I believe a woman can say a prayer over a congregation. After all, she is praying to God and it is He who answers. I believe we should know that the Christian faith is all about Jesus. We should also know that we are all sons of God in God's eyes as Sons of God we may partake in everything in Our father's house with liberty (2 Cor 3:17)
---Theophillus on 9/12/06

Rachel, you ask "Do you believe a woman could say a prayer over a congregation?"
Here is one man who has no objection to such a thing
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/12/06

Thanks Theo. I believe women have a place and a voice, too. I don't think an "unlearned woman or man" should teach anyone. Do you believe a woman could say a prayer over a congregation?
---Rachel on 9/12/06

I believe in the case of 1 Tim 2:12 we should look at the background of the message (with the help of the Holy Spirit) and we should not take it literally (lest we lose what women have to offer the church) "Consider On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied." (Act 21:8-9)There are other examples of women prophets in the Bible
---Theophillus on 9/12/06

this is a really burning issue in my mind. I believe men and women have no business teaching in the church; that is the Holy Spirit's job. It will do the church a lot of injustice if we make females 9women) keep silent in the church because the same way God used Esther or Deborah to save the Israelites is how he uses women in the church. Ultimately God looks at our hearts (spirits) which are neither male or female. that should say something.
---Theophillus on 9/12/06

But what about 1 Tim 2:12 Strong's meaning, that woman means the unlearned?
---Rachel on 9/12/06

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sigao {see-gah'-o}
1) to keep silence, hold one's peace
2) to be kept in silence, be concealed
For Synonyms see entry 5847
This is copied from Strong's Concordance. This is from the verse 1Corinthians 14:34
The root word is sige {see-gay'}
appr. from sizo (to hiss, i.e. hist or hush)
1) silence
What it seems to mean is, "Let your women HUSH in church"
I do not know where you got the other verse, Jack. Could you help me figure this one out?
---Amy9384 on 9/11/06

**My Son was recently raised from the dead and declared by his doctors as the greatest miracle thats ever been at their hospital. **
Can you please tell us what city, the name of the hospital, and the names of his doctors?
---Jack on 9/10/06

I have no problem at all with the power of God moving in our church or at Home or the Job We have had many healings and others signs by God,My Son was recently raised from the dead and declared by his doctors as the greatest miracle thats ever been at their hospital. They asked him if they could paint a murial of him in the Entrance of the hospital.
---Exzucuh on 9/9/06

Until we decide to get back to what is originally written by the prophets we will never see the power of God move in our ministry without the types of confusion that the churches are facing today. Singing or praying is not the issue . Obedience over ALL TO THE WORD OF GOD is what we should pay more attention to and help each other to do so instead of writing another Gospel to suit women alone.
---Carla5754 on 9/9/06

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It was the custom that women sit in a separate area of the temple men could make comments about what the speaker had said or question them but women were not allowed under the jewish custom. Greek women ran their houses and were very out spoken Paul had to deal with gossip and with women causing trouble in the church, he was silencing troublemakers not Women ministers and they did have them and they prophesied.
---Exzucuh on 9/8/06

Seek God's Word. Paul was a true apostle of Jesus. That makes his teachings important. 1Cor.11:3-12 speaks of placement in the body. 1Cor.14:33-35 speaks of woman's place/authority in the church body. A reason is found in 2Cor.11:2-3. Also, Eph.5:22-33 speaks of placement of the husband & wife. (See ch.6:1-4 on children). Please read Tim.2:9-15 + all of ch.3. If we can deny this much scripture, then what does the book matter? This is all about spiritual authority & placement, not the demeaning of women.
---mikefl on 9/8/06

You'd do better to look at the meanings of the word for "silent"--"hesychia" in Greek.
This is the root of the word "hesychasm", which is the Orthodox name of mystical prayer.
A not inaccurate parphrase would be "Let the women preserve mystical prayer in the churches."
---Jack on 9/8/06

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