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Did Noah Forshadow The Rapture

We know, through careful study, that the Old Testament is a foreshadowing of the New Testament. The great flood is than a foreshadowing of the great tribulation. Enoch was caught up to God and Noah and his family were carried through the flood. Do these two instances foreshadow the rapture?

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When Israel was in Egypt the wrath of GOD fell on the Egyptians but not on Israel.

So will it be in the last days. Christians will undergo intense persecution. Such as happened in China during the Communist Revolution and happens in Muslim countries now days.

But the wrath of GOD will fall around us not on us. Just as it did with Israel.

The main idea proposed Kathr is pretribulation not prewrath.

The message is the antichrist will take over after the church is raptured and the jews and all the world is given another chance if they are willing to die and be tortured for it.

But Christians are dying and being tortured today. And have been in the past.

Pray about it.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15

I think wrong terminology is the problem here. The term "Pretrib rapture" should be understood as the PREWRATH catching away. Scripture clearly states we are saved FROM THE WRATH TO COME. That is the WRATH OF GOD that is coming upon all the ungodly. Why would God leave His Church here to endure His Wrath? this is not the wrath of satan against Christians, because THAT has been going on from the beginning, of which we have already endured.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/15

Lawrence wrote: "Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ."

How can a Son be the same as the Father? How is it that God the Father knows the the day and the hour of the end, but not the Son, Jesus? How could a Son inherit anything if there isn't a father to give the inheretance? It is written that Jesus is the firstborn, how could God the Father be the firstborn?
---Steveng on 4/1/15


Yes few will be saved, Acts Church of The Living God. Mat.7 v 14.

The commandments doctrines of men the 3 persons godhead religion believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 John 10 v 1, peoples that worship other dif gods etc, the atheist agnostics sexual perverts etc which are many Mat.7 v 13 being left behind having to deal with the antichrist.

I Thank God He saved me from that which is Not His.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/31/15

The ark does not picture the pretibulation rapture because in that understanding millions are left alive on the earth while a few are saved.

In the flood it is like the Second Coming. The righteous are save and the wicked are killed.

---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/15


I believe The Word of God, not a fictitious 3 persons godhead religion commandments doctrines of men believers Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 pushing pressing in John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13.

John 10 vs 30 38, 14 vs 8 9, 20 vs 27 28. It's All about Jesus, for Him. By Him & In Him. He Is also Alpha & Omega, the First & the Last, Beginning & The Ending. Jesus Is & He does it All. Col.2 v 9.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/31/15

Lawrence wrote: "Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ."

Not to change the subject, but...

The Father is NOT Jesus Christ. They have the same Spirit, but are not the same person. When Jesus was being baptised, did Jesus throw his voice as a ventriloquist and said,"This is my beloved Son...? Didn't Pauls greeting as grace and peace from BOTH God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ? When Jesus said, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father to my God and your God." was he ascending to himself? Didn't Jesus say, "I can do nothing without the Father."? If Jesus was God and God cannot die, who died on the cross? How could the Father be the same as the Son?
---Steveng on 3/30/15

The ark is a picture of salvation. God shut the door and he made the ark where it would last thru the flood. Noah's family is the only ones saved. God opened the door tothe ark also.
---shira4368 on 3/30/15

The word rapture is not found.
There is being caught up. A similarity, Noah's day & The Church. Noah with his family in the Ark which were few. The people that believed received The salvation of God Acts 2 v 38 which are few Mat.7 v 14.
The peoples outside of the Ark the rain flood came was perished, lost. Were many. The commandments doctrines of men trinity religion believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, & the other gods worshipers pushing to John 10 v 1, which are many Mat.7 v 13. Lost now, even be lost when the caught up catching away takes place. It's their choice.

I Thank God He saved me from that which is Not His.
Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 3/29/15

I have read that also Trav. Good points.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/15

Indeed Trav.
---Jed on 2/2/15

Sorry to see you go learner2. I was enjoying the questions ...
---Jed on 2/2/15

Me too. A blessing in and of a question, can be searching / finding the truth because of it.
You and learners dialogue intrigued me to find some perimeters of the topic.
A friend was discussing "baptism" recently and where is it required inspired in the Old Testament. He found some good basic points, I'd never seen and therefore never considered. Like this in part:
The baptismal water (Mikveh) in rabbinic literature was referred to as the womb of the world,status was changed, after immersion, subject is referred to as "a little child just born"...
(Mikveh, Hebrew...being a search key)
---Trav on 2/2/15

Sorry to see you go learner2. I was enjoying the questions once you started engaging in conversation.
---Jed on 2/2/15

Learner2: Trav gets it. Matthew 5 is talking about your own enemies who have persecuted you personally. Example: that antagonistic co-worker who has it out for your job. That verse is about civility. The verses Trav referenced speak of a different type of enemy. Those are enemies, not because they have persecuted me personally, but because they hate God and have chosen to make themselves enemies of God and take pleasure in blaspheming Him. The political and religious enemies you mentioned fall more into that category.
---Jed on 2/2/15

Thanks to all of you for your help and encouragement. God be with you. I'll run along now. Maybe I'll check back in someday. Peace to you.
---learner2 on 2/2/15

Jed, what other kind of enemies can one have besides personal enemies? I've never had an enemy who was not my enemy.
I was wtong. Sorry.
---learner2 on 2/1/15

Wtong, reminded me of a Super Bowlism I heard yesterday. Noman Rumerals. Wasn't me but could have been... mransposing tore all the time.

Only football have watched all year. My team choice won.
Because, I didn't bet on them they won. They should thank me or pay me something.

Here are a couple of David's on enemy's we don't hear preached...ever.
Psa_139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa_139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
---Trav on 2/2/15

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Jed, what other kind of enemies can one have besides personal enemies? I've never had an enemy who was not my enemy.

I apologize. I was wtong. Sorry.
---learner2 on 2/1/15

Jed, why do you say that passage only refers to personal enemies?

---learner2 on 2/1/15

Because that's what it says. "Love YOUR enemies and pray for those that persecute YOU". Why would you think it means otherwise?

On another subject, Learner2. You appear to be pretty well acquainted with New Testament passages. Which brings me back to my initial suspicions: that you have indeed been taught and only feign your ignorance of the gospel to antagonize God's people with obnoxious and sarcastic remarks. I certainly hope you are above that kind of childishness.
---Jed on 2/1/15

Jed, why do you say that passage only refers to personal enemies?
---learner2 on 2/1/15

Learner, that is certainly my goal. As previously explained I am still a human being, so of course I can't love anyone to the extent that God does. It's the repented heart and the effort that God requires :-)

Also, It can be dangerous to use scriptures in isolation and out of context. With particular verse we must keep in mind three important truths: 1) This verse is refers to our own personal enemies, people who have wronged us personally. 2) Love does not equate pacifism or compromise. The truth is always love. There are times for gentle truth. And there are times for firm truth. 3) This verse does not supersede other commands of God, including those pertaining to justice and repentance.
---Jed on 2/1/15

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Jed, do you love your enemies, especially political and religious enemies?
---learner2 on 1/31/15

Jed, is 1 Corinthians 13 a central part of your faith?

---learner2 on 1/30/15

Yes, absolutely! So it seems you are interested in the gospel after all?
---Jed on 1/31/15

Jed, is 1 Corinthians 13 a central part of your faith?
---learner2 on 1/30/15

Jed, can you say honestly that you have repented? Can people see it in how you live your life?

---learner2 on 1/30/15

Absolutely. People can tell that I am a Christian. I'm not like the world. That's not to say I don't have more improving to do, just as everyone does. I am by no means perfect, and none of us will ever be. But I have a repented heart, and I strive to serve God. I turn from the world and I follow God and strive to please Him. Repented doesn't mean you become perfect.
---Jed on 1/30/15

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Jed, can you say honestly that you have repented? Can people see it in how you live your life?
---learner2 on 1/30/15

Amen Cluny thank you for your good point.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/15

\\I didn't mean to suggest that it was a once-and-done deal.
---Jed on 1/28/15

Thank you.

Though I've met a lot of people, on here and elsewhere, who think otherwise.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/15

Cluny, I can agree with that. Especially my last line about turning from Satan and the world and following God instead. That is a life long process. I didn't mean to suggest that it was a once-and-done deal.
---Jed on 1/28/15

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I disagree with Jed. Repentance is not a once-for-all thing, but a constant course correction, a life-style.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/15

Jed, explain repentance.

---learner2 on 1/27/15

First, confessing that you are a sinner in need of a Savior and that only Jesus Christ can be that Savior. Asking God to forgive you of your sins. Confessing and believing that Jesus Christ is Lord, that he was crucified for the payment of your sins, and then raised from the dead. Turning from following Satan and the world and following God instead.
---Jed on 1/28/15

To look upon JESUS and realize we are sinners. We then put our trust in JESUS and GOD that he will save us and turn from Sin.

Read First Corithians 15.

Also Act 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/28/15

Jed, explain repentance.
---learner2 on 1/27/15

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Samuel, I will be one of those dying from the effects. Bummer.

---learner2 on 1/27/15

Bummer indeed. Or you could just repent. You're choice.
---Jed on 1/27/15

Samuel, I will be one of those dying from the effects. Bummer.
---learner2 on 1/27/15

A flood that kills people is not a tribulation were people are hurt. It is the execution of the wicked.

The rapture is the Second coming of Jesus. All those who follow Him will be caught up to meet him in the air at that time. All the wicked left on earth will die from the effects of the Second Coming of Jesus.

Read Matthew 24. So Cluny you are correct.

---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/15

There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/15

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Richard, I'm not an atheist or anything like that. I would have done better to say, if he comes at all while I am still alive, which won't be for long.
---learner2 on 1/26/15

Learner - If God comes at all ?

Don't believe in God I Guess ? I understand that, My reasoning for a higher power is the complexity of life / Studying anatomy and nature for a lot of years, with the design, function, and the use of the golden ratio, I came to the conclusion there is a higher power, ( sin in the world seems to be real )

If there is God, could he make a book and keep it , to tell what going on, I would think so,

As far as what going on in the bible: I read it, understand it, and confuse by it,

On top of all of this two people in my life seem to have had out of body experience, one just before death - and another on the operating table and came back , So I believe there something going on,
---RichardC on 1/26/15

Richard, I know he will come when I personally don't expect him, if he comes at all.
---learner2 on 1/26/15

Learner - Christians should not eat or drink .

What I get from luke 17 is at the time of the end it looks like business as usual - Eating ,drink and the other things in life are going on - for most of the world Christ comes as a thief in the night, but Noah Knew the end was coming, As Christians know the day of the Lord is coming, - at least that my take on it,
---RichardC on 1/26/15

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1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

One thing about Noah and family, they were not caught up to meet The Lord in the air and forever remained with The Lord. For those to say this is nuts, why? We've already read where this happened before. Enoch, the "7th" generation. 7 here is also symbolic of completion, perfect etc.

And we see in Zechariah 12-14, when Jesus returns to earth. Setting foot on The Mt of Olives HIS SAINTS come with Him. WE are the Saints. We are "CALLED" TO BE SAINTS.

Where the HEAD is so also is the BODY.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/15

Richard, I suppose in that case that Christians should not eat or drink or marry.
---learner2 on 1/25/15

Yes, there are said to be types and shadows in the Old Testament that point to our need for a Savior, and to Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Yet, there are many people who misuse (eisegete) scripture. The story of Enoch tells us to have faith in God, to walk with Him (please Him), and that God will judge the ungodly, Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5-6, Jude 14-15.
If one were to use the following verses, it would more likely point to God preserving His own in the midst of the Tribulation, rather than temporarily removing them from the Earth. Genesis 7:1-8:19, Matthew 24:4-51, 1Corinthians 9:9-12, 15:51-32, 1Thessalonians 4:16-17, 2Peter 1:19-20.
---Glenn on 1/25/15

Luke 17:26 - And as it was in the day of Noah, so shall it also be in the days of the son of man,
Luke 17:27 - They did eat , they drank , they married wives, they were given in marriage , until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came , and destroyed them all,
---RichardC on 1/25/15

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What rapture are you talking about?
---learner2 on 1/25/15

Enoch foreshadows the rapture, as one being translated out.....another word for rapture.

Noah represents those saved during the tribulation, as those who will live for 1000 years when Jesus Christ reigns. Those translated out, HIS body, the Church will have been glorified with Christ and will reign and rule with Christ during that Time. Christ will rule with a Rod of Iron, those still in their fleshly state, Zechariah 12-14 will explain. And then After the 1000 years as 1Cor 15 tell us, ALL will be delivered up to the Father so that God will be all in all. He must reign first until all enemies are put under. That will be completed at the end of the 1000 years after satan is loosed again and the FINAL overthrow /judgement takes place.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/15

Yes, similarity. Old Testament.The ark being like salvation, Noah with his family in the ark which is few Mat.7 v 14. Peoples outside of ark is like religious world which are many Mat.7 v 13. The flood like worldly pleasures etc.

New Testament. The ark, salvation Acts 2 v 38 which are few Mat.7 v 14.

Peoples outside of God's salvation Acts 2 v 38, in the religious world, 3 persons godhead believers in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6, even those that worship other diff gods, the atheist, agnostics, sexual perverts other etc drowning in worldly pleasures etc. Which are many Mat.7 v 13.

The Old Testament peoples had a choice. The New Testament, peoples have a choice.

Glory to God The Father which Is, & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 1/24/15

I believe it forshadows the cross, when Jesus was lifted up upon the floods of the judgment of God. When the flood was over, the wicked was taken and the righteous was left resting upon the curse is reversed (Mt. Ararat). When Noah was building that ark, no one but him and his own family believed it would rain. When the flood was over and they walked out on that mountain, everybody believed like they did.
---Linda6563 on 8/23/08

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No, if you mean a pre-tribulation rapture. There is no such thing.

Noah and his family were not taken OFF the earth, were they? But they were preserved THROUGH (and in a strange way, by) the flood.

Furthermore, Enoch, who hasn't died yet, will be returning during the Tribulation and be killed by the Antichrist.
---Jack on 10/24/07

tell me did the Bible ever really say there is a rapture? or are you disponsationalist just reading something into the scripture because you want to escape a tribulation. Noah was just a forshadow of the end of time. and the salvation of the few. (God provides the way in both cases)
---Jared on 11/9/06

Okebaram, Hello, I like that name BTW. Enoch was "Translated"(raptured)and didn't experience death, just like brother Elijah. God Bless. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/24/06

Noah's safety in an ark foreshadowed, and directly represented, our safety in the modern Ark of the covenant: Jesus! The flood is more likeable to final judgement and damnation of unsaved sinners that it is to the tribulation. And I don't believe Enoch's timely death directly foreshadows the rapture.
---Okebaram on 9/24/06

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Moderator, My pleasure.
---Eloy on 9/20/06

Moderator, the earth was dried up after 1 year and 10 days. Genesis 7:11; 8:13,14.

Moderator: Thanks!
---Eloy on 9/18/06

Lynn, the flood did not happen slowly over 100 years, but instead after Noah was inside the ark, in a moment, the heavens were opened and the rains came down and drowned all the sinners. Likewise when Christ comes back, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, as lightning flashes across the sky, so will the coming of the Son of man be. This earth and all things therein will be totally destroyed by fire.

Moderator: We know it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, but how long did it take for the water to go back down? Could be 100 years, could be 10 days. Does the bible say?
---Eloy on 9/17/06

Rapture? What rapture? As I remember the story went that Noah prepared for 100 yrs. Shouldn't you be doing the same?
---Lynn on 9/16/06

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Jack; What scripture says Enoch is still alive???
---1st_cliff on 9/16/06

Jesus was tempted for 40 days in the wilderness. He Never gave in. Those "in" the Ark, during testing don't give in either. We're sealed in. So were they.
It rained for 40 days and 40 nights.
8 in typology represent New Beginnings.
There were 8 of them.
Circumcision was on the 8th day, presenting The "Day" of Jesus Christ."The New Creation.
Only those "In Christ", who are raised up together with Him, will be eternally secure from the wrath to come.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/06

In the 10th generation of mankind, God selected a man to build an Ark. The Ark is a type of Christ, Noah and his family,type of Church,save in Christ. The day the Ark "RESTED" in the 17 month of the 17th day upon the MTS. of Ararat. The flood waters receded, the ARK was lifted out of the waters on the 17th day of the month of Abid. Nearly 2400 years later, Jesus rose from the dead on that very day.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/06

#4 We read that "all flesh is not the same flesh; but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of birds, and another of fishes." (I Cor. 15) Are these not all seen in the ark?
---Debbie on 9/16/06

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#3 The greatest union of strength will not overcome God's wrath. Christ is the Antitype of the ark. He is God's deliverance from wrath. The Church is not the ark. It is no refuge from judgment, but rather the company of people who are gathered into the ark, are safe from judgment. Noah and his family represent the Church, but there are other creatures sheltered from wrath also. These represent other peoples, nations, etc., who will endure the tribulation period and take their place upon a renewed earth.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#2 They repented of their unbelief and called upon the Lord for mercy when they saw the water actually falling from heaven. It is written, "Whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord, shall be saved. " The waters rose 15 cubits above the highest mountain peak; and the ark rose with it. The higher the judgment overflowed, the closer to heaven it brought Noah and those with him. But this also figures the end, showing God's judgment reaching far over the highest hope and national help of man.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

#1 Noah and his family entered the ark along with all the animals. The people watched and the rain really came; it was no joke. In spite of the mocker, the rain came. God had to show them, and He will show todays world soon for the end is near. The ark's door was safely shut with that "old fool"and his family were inside. There is an inference that some of those who did not enter the
ark did believe after the rains came - I Peter 3:14, 20.
---Debbie on 9/16/06

Having studied this question far a long time,I believe the answer is yes!
---mima on 9/16/06

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Yes, like in Noah's day, the world will be totally engulfed in fire with no escape. So Jesus is telling us today, "Come onto me, hop on the boat, and be you all saved."
---Eloy on 9/16/06

More likely a foreshadowing of the wrath of God at the summation of the great tribulation. The Father will not be pleased with the gullibility of the faithless and deceived that are giving suck or impregnate due to their time in Satan bed. Spiritually speaking of course. Awaken to truth, do not be decieved the Father is not mocked. Jesus only returns once more.
---Josef on 9/16/06

#2 notlaw99, I would not say it is incoceivable that God will catch-up to Christ a portion of the body and there would be a remnant that stayed behind during the tribulation. We do know that at the onset of the tribulation two prophets will emerge.
---Ryan on 9/15/06

#1 notlaw99 ,you are absolutely correct, thank you for the correction. I do not like using terms unfounded in the bible. A better way to phrase the last part of the question would have been:
Do these two instances forshadow how God will handle the saints during the tribulation?
---Ryan on 9/15/06

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if the rapture was truth, then we would except 3 occurances of christ. the bible and holy tradition speaks of only 2. noahs ark forshadows the second coming. keep your lamps full!
---ted on 9/15/06

Rapture: Gonna Be One!!!

Pre/Mid/Trib I'm not picky, just bring it :-)
---Under_Cover_PZ on 9/15/06

The events are totally rurelated.

The concepts of a pretribulation or midtribulation so called "rapture" are unscriptural and false teachings. The original postribulation event has never been associated with the term "rapture" Rapture was first peddled by Charles Darby and now by other dispensational false teachers.
---notlaw99 on 9/15/06

(2.)... we must Yield to Him daily, let Him identify all the spots and wrinkles in our life if there are any, and prepare us for the fast approaching Rapture, He will help God's people to be ready, and to Get the "Uncompromised Gospel message of Christ" out to the lost, before it's too late.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/15/06

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(1.)Yes, "type and shadows" of what will happen very soon. A very Few "ready/spiritually Fit&Sober", and "Most" are not. Jesus said the last day's would be just like Noah's day. Christian's need to be Hot, on fire for God, "full of the Holy Ghost", it will be the Holy Ghost who will change God's Redeemed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye...
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/15/06

Ryan, no because there is no such thing as a Rapture. If you notice about Noah and his Family they were LEFT BEHIND and the bad guys were taken away....
---Ruben on 9/15/06

That door in the ark also points to the Door being laid down so that humanity could enter into the place that rest built. The three stories point to the three dimensions of maturity of the believer. What is really cool is that the dove brought back an olive leaf, which meant there was a tree somewhere that had life on it. That would be the Tree of Life that produces peace with God and with man.
---Linda6563 on 9/15/06

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