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What Are Essentials Of Salvation

Can you give the essentials of salvation as you understand salvation?

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rod... don't know who you are, other than you do not post Scriptures with your opinions that have seen. But if "IF' you like listening to yourself that's OK "if" that is the way your to respond in your religion of "you make the decision between heaven and hell" It must be amazing to you why people chose to go to hell, though the Scriptures... say God sends them there.
At least Kath and mich have been quoting some verses that would follow there religion so that one might understand there position and how they come to that belief system.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/6/09

Repentance and faith are graces that were also in the work Christ finished. steven-rem ***8

Has anyone actually read Hebrews 11.

So steven, through faith we believe God created the world. How did we come by this faith? Was it because we read Genesis 1? Because we BELIEVED the report spoken through God's prophet who wrote Genesis 1.

Would you believe this if there were no Genesis or any other verses in scripture stating so. You just believe that in the finished work of Christ you had a PBS Nova Experience where God actually SHOWED you. Did you Eye Witness Creation? Well, that is not faith.

God through these verses clearly state FAITH is not a WORK. I didn't WORK when I believed Genesis 1.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/09

steven-rem7000 Part 2 Please post

Steven, Creation was ALSO a finished WORK of God and HE rested on the 7th day. Did your faith that God did what He said He did mean YOU had some part in creation?

God also uses this SAME statement the Finished work of Christ..also from the foundation of the world....YOU had nothing to do with it...and when He said IT IS FINISHED...HE entered into HIS REST once and for all and forever.

Do you BELIEVE this report?

What makes you thing YOU had anything to do with that either.

What did Paul say?

# 2 Corinthians 5:17
he is a new creature:

# Galatians 6:15
...but a new creature.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/09

"No if's" steven?
How many times does God say "If" in the bible? 1521 times. 1029 times in the Old Testament and 492 times in the New Testament
And the last I checked, "If" means a condition is attached. So, If God took the time to tell you IF that many times, Brother you better listen because not everyone who says Lord, Lord, is getting in! And You really believe you are chosen by God without Christ?
WOW! Christ said HE is the only door(John 10:9). Are you trying to get in another way?
What must you do to be saved?
Acts 16:30-31
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

To Kath...

I know sister. If Steven had said that in the presence of Paul, he would have been rebuked much, much worse than he did to Peter.
Wouldn't that just be a site? HAHA.

Steven, you really need to open your eyes and your heart to the Real God. Not the one made up by Calvin.
I even went and read about him today. He really told sinners that they couldn't be saved unless they were one of the chosen. If someone had told me that lie, I would probably not be here today. Thank God, all I had to do was cry out Jesus save me and he sure did!
See woman with issue of blood, Now remember God didn't give her faith to believe, she already had it.
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

Ya'll can dog my God. Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained, whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Trust in true and living God and the Jesus whom he has sent Jn17:3, not in your faith and repentance. Abraham believe God and it was counted unto him for righteousness
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/6/09

Believes what? Christ died for all and your faith will save you?
Christ came to save His people that is work he finished. His people will hear the gospel of grace with "NO IF'S" in it. if you repent and believe God will save you. My (Gods) gospel has no conditions for salvation. Repentance and faith are graces that were also in the work Christ finished. We that believe no we would have never believed Rm3:10 NONE... NO NOT ONE. God regenerates and converts by HIS message "for therein is the righteousness of God revealed" it (the gospel) is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, not because they believe. I know what you believe, I have been there LOST in religious lies.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/6/09

If I understand steven-rem's statement, "...YA"LL hate it coz you cannot have any part of salvation," gezz...what a despicable belief! At least he is clear of the result of Calvinistic beliefs. One can never be sure of salvation, not even him, if that teaching were true. They just have the audacity to claim to be God's chosen, and others are just out of luck...lucky them.
But, maybe I am not understanding right. However, that is the result of Calvin's teaching. They claim superior position with God which allows them to rule over the unfortunate. God's will you know, blame God not them.
---Rod4Him on 10/6/09

The work of the Cross has been finished. All mankind has been reconciled by God through Christ, their sins not imputed. All that mankind MUST do is believe(faith) in the ONE who made it possible, therefore reconciling ourselves towards God.
..We are saved by grace through faith.
---duane on 10/6/09

Let me get this straight... You are glad that you think God doesn't offer salvation to whosever believe?
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

miche, when I read that outburst I wanted to throw up. Can you picture Paul going around saying such things to the Lost...God forbid!

And yet to also be accused of not being saved because we believe Jesus died for our sin, and was raised again for our justification is Insanity.

What many here don't understand, is that this kind of behavior is trampling through DESTROYING the Churches.

If they believe they are saved by God's choice only, why did Jesus die on a cross ....for our SIN. It's sin that cannot enter's sin that cannot come into the presence of God.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/09

Amen Kath!!
Great post. Why some don't get that Jesus did die for the world is beyond me, because he says he did.
Now, to receive the salvation, we have to repent and believe the TRUTH of God, that he did this.
To repent and believe or not is a choice man makes.
God has already done what he is going to to do to reconcile man back to him.
BUT others will say I am saying that God says if man does this, God will do that when I am not saying that at all.
ACTUALLY, God made the first step in reconciling us back to him. Man has to make the next by accepting it.
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

Essential FACT concerning salvation.

In the OT, ATONEMENT was made by the sprinkling of Blood for ALL People, not just some, not just a select few. No one was excluded.

This is a Picture of the pattern of things in Heaven where NOW Jesus through His own BLOOD has atoned for the sin of the whole world...all mankind. Jesus Christ,doesn't have to go in over and over again, but ONCE and for ALL opened the way into the Holy of Holies FOR YOU..

Now this is not universal salvation. YOU must by faith receive the GIFT of His Son, by you being washed in the Blood of the Lamb, then you stand before the Father who resides in the Holy of Holies, not in YOUR OWN righteousness, but HIS righteousness.

Christ is our passover.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/09

Your will, will not match God's The choice is God's and YA'LL hate it coz you cannot have any part in salvation. l I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Let me get this straight... You are glad that you think God doesn't offer salvation to whosever believe?
The word says different. John 3
Brother are you sure you are for Christ and not yourself?(check your Spiritual fruit Gal. 5)
How do you expect to win souls for God (which is commanded by God we all become Disciples and spread the Gospel) with that kind of attitude?
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand
Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel
Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Salvation- Is to repent of ones sin and believe Christ
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Your will, will not match God's The choice is God's and YA'LL hate it coz you cannot have any part in salvation. l I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/5/09

Kath, Just wanted to let you know that I am still here and reading. You, Larry, Rod, Caherine, are just doing an awesome job of telling the TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!
The rest is just false and wolves in sheeps clothing trying to lead the flock astray.
They don't understand when you speak about the finished work of Christ. Death and resurrection.
May God back all of those up who are teaching Christ's finished work and that Grace is given by God because we have faith in the finished work of Christ!
Bless all of you!
---miche3754 on 10/5/09

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Thought for today!

Aspire to inspire before you expire.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/09

steven...John 3:16 is the GOSPEL to the WORLD otherwise it would say,for God so loved the Jews!

Second, the prayer in John 17 is Jesus last will and testament concerning those who will become united with Him called His Body, Jew and Gentile, AKA the Church/His Bride and is not of this world. Here He is praying for our sanctification, Glorification etc, and those who BELIEVE in Him becoming part of the Church through the witness of the 12 Apostles 17:20, and now us!!! The Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church..therefore He is not taking us out of the World, but to Testify of HIM in this world.

Yes, Jesus prayed for His Church even for those in 2009 who ENTER IN, through the veil, that is to say His Flesh!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/5/09

Jn 3:16 is not the gospel ---steven-rem7000 on 10/3/09


steven, when you make that statement, did you take into consideration John the Baptists words Behold the Lamb of God who takes way the sin of the world.

I also recall John the Baptist stating this very Lamb of God is who will Baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

So, after reading Ralph's reply on another thread, you too seem to be separating the benifits from the Benefactor.
---Larry on 10/5/09

Please post:

kathr your lessons for today is clear evidence of who you really are when you respond. that you can speak religiously and sound like you know a lot, but as endwelled by the Spirit of truth we know how to discern what is truth and was is a smoke screen.
---Bobby1 on 10/3/09

well bobby1, When God revealed HIS MERCY Romans 9 it was by BLOOD of the Passover. If any did not put blood on the door post, they even a Jew would have felt God's wrath as was shown to Pharoah and all of Egypt.

BLOOD was not a NEW Concept, as we see Abel too testified to the BLOOD whereby He obtained mercy!

Does my knowledge of Jesus Christ bother you? Who then are you but someone showing ENVY?
---kathr4453 on 10/5/09

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IT IS THE BLOOD. Without the blood of Jesus Christ we would have all been damned! Anyone who has not experience salvation and the power of His blood is lost.
---catherine on 10/3/0

Oh catherine, Praise God! And that did not need defining or redefining either.

Thank-you Sister In Christ! Those In Christ don't need to be retaught or intellectualized what we believe BY FAITH in His Word.

BY FAITH we Believe the worlds were created by the WORD.

Now with that, we don't have to KNOW exactly HOW God did it....we just believe...because He said so...that He did!
---kathr4453 on 10/5/09

I Corintians 15:3-4, "For I delievered to you as of first importance what I also recieved, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures."
---Rod4Him on 10/4/09

Bobby 3, its going good, nice name.
grace is 'un-merited favor" towards men from God. what He gives you, you did not earn. the essentials of the christian faith are all the concepts put together which makes up the biblical message. each concept is set forth in bite size portions. it is designed to be simple, though not simplistic. the main topic is God and His Son, the rest is His creation. to put all the essentials would take a lot of space.
---Bobby1 on 10/4/09

IT IS THE BLOOD. Without the blood of Jesus Christ we would have all been damned! Anyone who has not experience salvation and the power of His blood is lost.
---catherine on 10/3/09

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Bobby1: How's it going? Nice name.

With regards to the blog question, I always like to go back to Ephesians 2 in response to any question about salvation: "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (vv8,9). According to Paul, what's 'essential' for salvation is God's grace (and that alone).
---Bobby3 on 10/3/09

kathr your lessons for today is clear evidence of who you really are when you respond. that you can speak religiously and sound like you know a lot, but as endwelled by the Spirit of truth we know how to discern what is truth and was is a smoke screen.
---Bobby1 on 10/3/09

Jn 3:16 is not the gospel and in the context of that verse Nicodemus was being told several things one is you must be born again and another is that God plan was much further reaching than just the Jews, in that He was going to bring in another fold (gentiles) that is what is meant God so loved the world. If you look at other scriptures. Jn17 Jesus prays not for the world and if you look at other scriptures the world is meant a people that Christ has redeemed are out of every kindred, tibe, tounge and NATION Rev5:9 this is the world God so Loved
---steven-rem7000 on 10/3/09

John 3:16 DEFINES perfectly the redemptive plan of God throuth Jesus Christ.

Do you need DEFINED or RE-defined?

How about we just BELIEVE it and obey it! It speaks for itself.

Only egg heads sit around all day defining and redefining religion. Reformed Theology has been re-defined from Augustine to Karl Barth, and they are STILL trying to re-define it.. It's not called Deformed Theology for no reason....looking much like Michael Jackson's face after all the facelifts ...unrecognizable.

God does not have to define or even REDEFINE His Word. We are asked to Believe and OBEY, not define!

And those who sit around re-defining are troublemakers..disobedient children. They don't even obey what THEY re-defined!
---kathr4453 on 10/2/09

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Bobby1, you may want to consider what Paul said before you make remarks showing your lack of scriptural balance.

1 Corinthians 2

1And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

---Larry on 10/2/09

Hey Bobby1 lot of religious people out there, BUT by the grace of God there go I.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/2/09

brother Steven, that is what I was trying to explain to kathr. She never defines the terms when she speaks. You gave a good example when you mentioned, 'Knowing who God is and His redeemptive plan concerning His Son (Jesus) the Christ of God."
If a person does not know God how can they know Christ?
---Bobby1 on 10/2/09

Knowing who God is and His redeemptive plan concerning His Son (Jesus) the Christ of God.
The gospel WILL reveal His righteousness> How God justify's His people throught hte finished work of His Son. It is ALL grace and God gets ALL the glory

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith.
Holy Spirit will not use another message to make alive those whom Christ redeemed
---steven-rem7000 on 10/1/09

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Repentance toward God and faith in the Lored Jesus the Christ of God. Acts 20:21
God communicates to ones mind through preaching of the gospel Rm10:14-15 Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. God says...Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
---steven-rem7000 on 9/28/09

God's Salvation Plan Mark 16 v 16,Acts 2 v's 37-41 Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19-20 Gal. 1 v's 8-9. From God,Apostle Peter delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost & Apostle Paul brought This Same to us gentiles. Living a Holy-life,attend Church services when the doors are open. It's not wrong being with family,friends & Church family etc to play basket,base,volley ball etc.
You obstain from the worldly pleasures, paying to see sports,not dressed properly, social drinks,dancing,worldly music fest & the such like.
Either serve God Almighty or the god of this world(satan),you canNot serve 2 masters. If you have the love of the things of this world in your crawl, then the Love Of God is Not in your heart,mind.
---Lawrence on 9/28/09

Salvation is Freedom and real Freedom comes from Jesus Christ, who died for our sins, and God raised his Son Jesus Christ from the dead on the third day.So our Freedom is already complete in Jesus Christ, in whom we believe.Jesus promises to give his Holy Spirit to all those who believe. Amen.
---Hubert on 9/28/09

Realize that:
1.You are naturally separated from God. He is Holy. We can never be. You may try to keep the 10 commandments and love others,
but you will get only frustration because you will ultimately fail.

2. The Bible says God loves the world and wants to communicate with and help men. But the flawed nature of men and the perfection of God makes this impossible.

3.So He sent His perfect Son to earth. "Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God" (1Pe 3:18)

4.Jesus is willing to present His righteousness to God in exchange for your sin. All you need to do is believe this and ask Jesus to forgive your sins and become your Savior and guide your life.
---Donna66 on 9/27/09

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Eloy was quoting the NASB, which does use the word "obey" in place of "believe". Those of you who've insulted Eloy owe him an apology for accusing him of "twisting" the Word and inventing his own translation. Further, that view is PERFECTLY consistent with other New Testament scripture (see Hebrews 5:8-9, John 14:23 just to mention a couple). To deny that we are called to obedience is to deny Christ.
---Jacob on 9/26/09

Christ is our redeemeer. Believe in Him . follow Him..Trust in Him..follow His commands. reject Satan. Accept Christ.
Love God 1st. Love all as you love yourself. Get Baptized and seek God...Serve only the Lord. Surrender to Him. do God's will
---lisa on 1/15/08

You don't need to do anything to be saved. "As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall All be made alive". 1Cor 15:22 Christ has saved everyone from death. We will all be resurrected. I believe that besides being saved, that it is possible that there are different "mansions" (John 14:2) or "glories" (1Cor 15:40-42) which we may receive based upon Christ's grace and efforts in following him.
---chris on 1/14/08

Being a predestinated member of Gods elect.
---Phil_the_Elder on 1/13/08

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To have God's free gift of salvation you must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that He came into this world, took on human flesh and died on the Cross for your sins, then He rose from the dead.
---Helen_5378 on 4/7/07

the essentials of salvation is to know that jesus christ is not just the risen son of god but that he is the only way to the father and the only way for us to be saved he is the way the truth and the life,read john 14:1-6 and be encouraged salvation comes by one never think its by any other means.
---mae on 4/6/07

---Tom2 by essentials of salvation I have reference to what we must believe to have salvation. For example I believe in baptism by immersion, but I certainly don't insist on a person believing in full immersion baptism to the saved. I do believe salvation is possible without a person believing that the Lord Jesus Christ died in his place, paying his sin debt for him.
---Mima on 4/6/07

Faith in Christ,repentance,and yielding(submitting) to God.

We must submit to God's rightesousness by obeying Him.

Romans 8:7
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 10:3
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
---Matthew on 4/6/07

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I might add, who understands Salvation. I am still reeling. It is all a miracle, if you are truly saved. How the Father draws you to His son, gives us to His son, so we can be forgiven, and receive a new life, forever. Oh my friend, are you truly saved?
---catherine on 4/6/07

mima, not sure what you are asking?you mean repentence,acceptance of who jesus was,why he came,that he died in place of you,me all of us,that he was raised on the third day??
---tom2 on 4/6/07

Josef, I know who my brothers and sisters are in Christ, for they love me even as Christ loves his sheep; and I also know those who say that they are my brothers and sisters, but in truth they are not, for they have no love for me nor for any true evangelist of God. There is no light in them, for they corrupt the Scriptures, and malign us the holy saints, and call what God has sanctified liars.
---Eloy on 10/2/06

I feel you Eloy that is my point. Helen mans only teacher is Christ. We simple share His insight with each other as He reveals Himself to us. Eloy has the convictions of His beliefs as the guide for his life, He is doing what we are all called to do. Proclaim the message of the gospel of Christ as individual entities. By sharing we recieve. There is one truth, Christ. However that Truth is shared honors the Father & should be respected. An advocate of anything only has power over those willing to conform.
---Josef on 10/2/06

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steveng, I do not "think" who I am, rather I "know" who I am, even as God in heaven, and Satan in hell "knows" who I am.
---Eloy on 10/2/06

steveng, I "think" who I am, rather I "know" who I am, even as God in heaven, and Satan in hell "knows" who I am.
---Eloy on 10/2/06

.helen, nope, it's not entitled Secret Service.
---Eloy on 10/1/06

Josef, I favor the KJV translation here because of it's simplicity of understanding. I translate with the intent of using both the most accurate words as well as the most simplest terms possible in order that more receivers are more likely to obtain our Lord's grace. I do not own a Strong's, but occassionally use the one online. I've used Cruden's as far back as I can remember, and I am satisfied with it's alphabetized, dictionary-like listing.
---Eloy on 10/1/06

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Helen: Be careful about this voting stuff. If Jesus was here today, most Christians would hang him on a cross as did his own people. Look what will happen with the two witnesses who will soon come. At the same time, I'm not saying that Eloy is whoever he thinks he is.
---Steveng on 10/1/06

Eloy - The Secret Service!! It's secret and it is doing me no service.
---Helen_5378 on 10/1/06

Eloy Thanks, point well taken.
I will take the first ref. you made "Acts 28:24" & interpet the verse in a way I believe intended in the original language given the contexts, make any corrections you deem necessary & explain why. "And some were convinced by his words of persuasion but others were not." The intent, meaning & usage of a word is usually clarified by the Spirit thru the given contexts.
Question? What makes you think Cruden is more accurate?
---Josef on 10/1/06

Josef - You need to have another look at Eloy's vote. It is now sitting at 0. False teachers get dealt with harshly.
---Helen_5378 on 9/30/06

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Josef, pisteyo (strongs 4100) or pistos (4103), commonly translated 'believe' can be synonymous with peitho (strongs 3982),Acts 28:24. peitho like pisteyo is commonly translated 'obey' 'believe' 'trust', Acts 5:36,37,40; 28:24; Mat. 27:43; Gal. 5:7; Heb. 13:17. A common Translater's error is taking a word and using it in all places as the same equivalent, this is called "misapplication". I seldom use Strongs, but listed it here for your comparison.When needed I use Cruden's Complete Concordance.
---Eloy on 9/30/06

Helen, remember that Eloy is specially consecrated for this task. Shouldn't we call it "The Consecrated New Age Book of Eloy"? Oh, by the way, does anyone know what will be the name of Eloy's religion?
---Okebaram on 9/30/06

.helen, You dis what God has sanctified. Jesus said only the DOERS are saved, not believers only. And my translation is not a "so-called" translation, but "the truth" translated into English from copies of the original Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic Scriptures. I have a title, and no, it is not entitled Eloy's New Age Translation; I'll give you a hint, the initials will be SS.
---Eloy on 9/30/06

Ramon - I think it is called Eloy's New Age Version isn't it?
---Helen_5378 on 9/30/06

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Bruce and Ramon - The KJV is correct, and Eloy's so-called "translation" is wrong. "Obey" speaks of something we must do and denies the finished work of Christ on the Cross. "Believe" speaks of faith in Jesus and His finished work on the Cross. It is by faith that we are saved - nothing of ourselves - it is a finished work.
---Helen_5378 on 9/30/06

.ramon, There is no such thing as "The Eloy International Version", for I have not yet finished. But this I will say, being consecrated the holy sciptures I translate are the most accurate English.
---Eloy on 9/30/06

It's so simple a child can understand it. Believe and be baptized.
---Steveng on 9/29/06

Eloy perhaps I am using the incorrect tool to define the term in the original languages. I use the Strongs, can you recommend a more reliable concordance? Please know that I was making no attempt to correct you, simply bringing to your attention to the way the text is quoted in scripture. By your vote you are highly respected on christianet, & I considered that your post might be misleading. I am but a student, seeking the knowledge of God.
---Josef on 9/29/06

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josef, I've found that many English translations on the market are inaccurate. Thus I frequently translate the original Greek into literal English for the correct rendering of Scripture. The ancient Greek word "Pisteysas" is more correctly translated in many places in Scripture to "Obey" rather than "Believe", because even Satan "believes" but yet is professed to be knowingly unsaved. Therefore "Obeying" is the accurate rendering of "Pisteyon".
---Eloy on 9/29/06

Bruce.#2. Eloy say he has the abitity to translate the Holy Scripture 100% correct. I'm looking forward in seeing "The Eloy International Version" of the bible. Maybe it be on the list of today corrupt bible versions.
---Ramon on 9/28/06

Bruce. Its hard to agree with a man when he twist and change Gods word. The word "obey" is in the translation called "The Eloy International Version". Do the satantic people use this version Bruce?
---Ramon on 9/28/06

Eloy says Mark 16:16 says "And whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned."

KJV Mark 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Judge for your self which is true. Eloys version or the KJV version.
---Bruce5656 on 9/28/06

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The first believeth is from the Greek pisteuo- and appears 248 times is translated
believe 239x
commit unto 4x
commit to (one's) trust 1x
be committed unto 1x
be put in trust with 1x
be commit to one's trust 1x
believer 1x

Not once is it translated obeys-
---Bruce5656 on 9/28/06

The meanings of the word are: 1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in 1a) of the thing believed 1a1) to credit, have confidence 1b) in a moral or religious reference 1b1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a mans impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
---Bruce5656 on 9/28/06

1b2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith 1bc) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith 2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity 2a) to be entrusted with a thing

The second believeth is from the Greek apisteo- and is translated as
believe not 7x
The meanings of the word are: 1) to betray a trust, be unfaithful 2) to have no belief, disbelieve.
---Bruce5656 on 9/28/06

Eloy. MARK 16:16 does not say that. What translation you use? None of the tralations I Know say that.Are you changing Gods word?
---Ramon on 9/28/06

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Eloy please do not misquote scripture it's misleading. The verse you mentioned says nothing about obey. The word is "believeth" meaning "To have faith (in, upon or with respect to, a person or thing) Credit; by implication, to entrust (espec. one's spiritual well being to Christ). Belief is influence by the Holy Spirit unto salvation, Obedience is an empowerment of the Holy Spirit after salvation. The essentials are found in Rom.10:9
---Josef on 9/28/06

greetings,as jesus taught it,it is forever true the just shall live by faith.salvation is the gift of the Father and is free,but progress -growth in grace- is essential to continuance there in.salvation is the gift of the Father and is revealed by his son.acceptance by faith on our part makes us a partakerof the divine nature,a son or daughter of faith we are justified,by faith we are saved,by faith we are advanced in the way of progressive and divine perfection.
---earl on 9/25/06

mi ma, tom2 pretty much sums it up! I love his response. Salvation is being saved from the wrath of God by accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior of your life, (repenting), being baptized and knowing what Jesus did for you at Calvary, accepting his sacrifice at the cross for your sins so that you can now live in fellowship with God the Father through Jesus Christ. I think I'm running out of space.
---Donna9759 on 9/25/06

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