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What Is Purgatory

What is purgatory?

Moderator - A false belief that one's spirit has a stopping place before going to heaven.

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Question: (especially for the RCC's)

Is a righteous man pure enough to go to heaven?

Think about it.....
---Holly4jc on 8/15/07

**Emcee said:Jesus has faith in us too**

Emcee...Please tell me where you find Christ saying he has faith in us?
---JIM on 8/14/07


I can only give you God's WORD, I can't make you receive it.
---Marcia on 8/13/07

God does not have classifications of various degrees of sin. Sin is sin to God, all sin is wrong and all needs to be repented of.
---Holly4jc on 8/13/07

Emcee: What you said is only "logical" if you are a practicing Catholic who takes their interpretation of the bible from the pope. I take mine straight from the Word of God...and I WILL be in heaven with my Savior, My Lord and My God when I die, for my Bible tells me so and I believe the Word of God, from the front cover to the back cover. God does not lie. His Word is Truth!
---Holly4jc on 8/13/07

Numbers 23:19

God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
---Holly4jc on 8/13/07


You are right praying the Rosary will hinder your prayer because it is praying without faith and not in Spirit and in truth.

There are many other things that will hinder your prayers beloved:.

The forgiveness of our sins is dependent upon how we forgive the sins of those who have sinned against us. The measure we use for others is the measure God uses for us. An unforgiving and judgmental attitude is a major cause of unanswered prayer.

---Marcia on 8/13/07

Marcia::Presumption and Despair are human Failings & not attributed to Almighty God who knows everything as also its outcome.That is why they are considered the 2 most deadly sins.God is merciful to the repentant,do not presume on Gods mercy.He reads hearts like you read script.Nothing is hidden from HIM.I share this with His love,which he has asked.
---Emcee on 8/13/07

Marcia::What Jesus said He had implicit trust in His chosen disciples being God He knew their destiny besides they proved to love Him in His ministry,inspite of all their human frailities.Jesus has faith in us too but do we not have to prove ourselves or why did He give us choice & why did He say "Follow me" or "Be Perfect."Did you have a choice in picking your mate or vice versa.Lastly WHY is there GOOD and EVIL?Is choice involved?Reflect on Gen3:15.With love in Christ.
---Emcee on 8/13/07

It is a quasi-christian belief that Jesus Christ did not and could not be the all sufficient sacrifice for your sins. You too must suffer - as if that were worth anything to God.
---Andrea on 8/13/07


In order to receive salvation we must trust Jesus,

Here is what he said,

John 14
Jesus Comforts His Disciples
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, trust also in me. (not in purgatory)
---Marcia on 8/13/07


In my Father's house are many rooms, if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going."( Was Jesus Presumning those who have faith would be joined to him or not?)

I don't know anything of purgatory, but what I do know is Jesus has a place for me in Heaven, not in purgatory or Hell.
---Marcia on 8/13/07

Marcia::Dear Lady I do not doubt your sincerity integrityYour desires to follow, I believe you to be a good honest loving woman & I hope you are able to see similar qualities in me.But to assume that I have no salvation as an RCC is your assumption.In the spirit of ecuminism I do not denounce your belief But defend Mine By His word mat16:17-19 You must be a true catholic to understand that christ lives in meas I do in Him.
---Emcee on 8/13/07

Holy:You threw the first stone.What I said was logical,if you are not deserving of Hell Or Heaven then where would you go,after death?No purgatory or suspended animation if you wish to fill in the blank you may do so space, timbucktou or ???
---Emcee on 8/13/07

Marcia Kathr, Andrea Holly Donna.

New names, different day.
Similar multiple personalities.
---Larry on 8/13/07

Emcee, I am far from been on a pedestal. I am most humble servant. I have nothing within me that is worth the Lord for having mercy on me, this poor wretched man that I am. I didn't deserve saving. I have nothing but pure love to serve the Lord not only in His word but in His place of choosing. It happens to be here against the powers "as you said" of the enemy. Against people who stand agains't faith in Jesus Christ and those that support false doctrines.
---mark on 8/13/07

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Emcee - I think the fact that you were faithful to one woman for 54 yrs is a wonderful statement about your character. You are so strong in your belief system, I wish you would defend Jesus the way you defend the RC.
---Andrea on 8/13/07


You just don't get it!!

after all the feedback you been getting, I don't see how your still not getting the point!!
---Marcia on 8/13/07


Salvation is a gift beloved, it is not something that has to be earned, merited, or deserved. Just like God's love does not have to be earned, merited, or deserved. Once you understand this you will understand God's love. I know Atheist(Baby Killers/abortionist) who have been married for 70 years so I am not impressed by that beloved. I will be impressed when you accept God's gift of Salvation and stop trying to earn it through your works.
---Marcia on 8/13/07

1) Thank you Andrea...I am getting used to being called names by many on this site and of being accused of all kinds of crazy stuff. Emcee in particular, has called me many horrible things and made many accusations against me. I will never resort to calling him names, all my posts attack the false beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic church by speaking the truth of the Word. I have never attacked a person or said ANYTHING nasty to them as a person, only spoke out against their false doctrine.
---Holly4jc on 8/12/07

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2) But I see you are also attacked Andrea as well as a bunch of others on here who dare to speak the truth. But we are in good company, for many martyrs died for the faith. We can never stop speaking the is our calling. Speak on girlfriend! I am praying that the TRUTH WILL SET THEM FREE! Afterall, God's Word says it will NOT come back to Him VOID, but will accomplish the purpose for which it was sent forth! (Isaiah 55:11) :-)
---Holly4jc on 8/12/07

mark::you have appointed yourself Auditor General, Judge & Jury on this forum & on this earth what can I say.I am just a simpleton. But have the backing of Gods word. If you call that Pride! Then the God you serve is not Jesus Christ son of the living God & 2nd person of the blessed Trinity who left his Church Matt16:17-19 in care of apostolic succession.But you can always be if you decide to step down from your pedestal.
---Emcee on 8/12/07

Saying that God created purgatory is like saying that God made a back-up plan while Jesus was on earth, just in case he failed. It is so sad to hear that people will believe anything for an easy way out. This is not like the Monopoly game. Even though God may be the banker he doesn't give us a get out of free jail card.
---Rebecca_D on 8/12/07

Marcia:You called me beloved & I respond with equal condour.It is easy to formulate an opinion about a person who doesnot agree.This however is not Christian charityJudgemental action is the next step by most.I know you love Jesusin the denomination you serve But to say I have no Trust love & not desirious of Salvation as you see it is uncharitable .My love for one woman stood the test for 54 years My love For my God stands the same test Till I die He Knows & so does his Blessed mother.
---Emcee on 8/12/07

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#2. Emcee: These answers you give only bring answers from others that what you say is so false and untrue. Your desire to cover up the evil done by them, by suggesting your church is pure and others is pure pride, that others from your church will not even go there. They know better then to lie to everyone and actually admit the faults of the church but not you. That cover-up will never be forgiven in you unless you humble yourself before the Lord and ask for forgiveness.
---mark on 8/12/07

#3. Emcee: Today is the day of salvation. This Sunday I encourage you to come before the Lord and give your life to Christ. Ask Him for forgiveness for that pride and let Him clean you from your sins. This day might not come again for you. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ Emcee and let His blood, wipe away that prideful heart. Nothing is impossible with God. Even you can be forgiven. There will be no purgatory to worry about. Just heaven, but you have to believe by faith. Otherwise you are doom.
---mark on 8/12/07

Emcee, I do know about you by all your answers and they are pure pride. I have not met you in person yet already know what you stand for. These pope I spoke of, is but one of your leaders that you say were successors of Peter, the one's guiding the church, the one's that were supposely speaking to God and bringing their idea's and doctrines to the church, the one's you support so dearly agains't others. Your assumption that this does not happen in your church but others, is pure adulterated pride,
---mark on 8/12/07

Emcee >>>

You must lack faith in the work of the Holy Spirit and in God also. Do you not realize that God is present in our life on earth. The Time for Salvation is now, which is why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in the first place. Once a person is dead there is no more opportunity to get it right.
---Marcia on 8/12/07

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Emcee >>>

God has given his WORD (SON), left his Spirit (to draw us to himself, work in us, and work through us) he has promised us that if we seek him with our whole heart we will find him. All that is needed is Faith that causes a person to trust in God's Word.
---Marcia on 8/12/07

Emcee >>>

If you don't trust God, then how can you love him. You are saying what if God's Word fails- I better grab on to purgatory just in case this whole thing proves to be false.
Emcee, I pray that you will one day trust God enough to receive his gift of salvation.
---Marcia on 8/12/07

1) Well then...I guess with purgatory...who needs Jesus? Everyone when they die (Buddists, Muslims, Hindus, etc.) can go straight to purgatory and get cleansed from their sins and then onward to heaven, unless of course their families do not have enough money to buy their way out. So, then Jesus died for nothing. All roads lead to purgatory and then to heaven (since Jesus dying on the cross was not sufficient to cleanse sin).
---Holly4jc on 8/12/07

2) Don't forget to tell Jesus that He wasted His time dying on the cross. You would have thought Jesus would have known about purgatory and realized His going to the cross was not necessary. If purgatory is what everyone needs, then Jesus's sacrifice of His life just wasn't enough...NOT! What an absolute insult to our precious Lord...forgive them Lord, for they know not what they say or do.
---Holly4jc on 8/12/07

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It is a false doctrine. Purging happens here and now in our living lives, and not after death. If one dies in their sins, they cannot repent nor be purged from them. God gives each soul an average life span of 70 years to purge themselves of sin and to get right with him, if one does not do it in this life it is uncommon that God will aford that unsaved soul another chance to come back to earth in order to repent. For usually when you die it is final and you either die in sin, or die in righteousness.
---Eloy on 8/12/07

Emcee - that is uncalled for - you owe her an apology.
---Andrea on 8/11/07

Unholy Holly:,Doctrines are made by man in the denominations,Made & unmade suitable to the existing emergencies.But not so in the RCC we keep the word of God dont throw it out because it is irrelevant VIZ Machabees in your Man made KJV.Your words, You don't need purgatory so by your decision you will not go to heavenOr hell but languish in suspended may have need to make a total Recall.
---Emcee on 8/11/07

In 1517 a Dominican Friar named Johann Tetzel
made a grave mistake coming through Martin Luther's Germany.
He was selling certificates signed by Pope Leo X for 20 silver coins.
He said to the people:
"As soon as your coin clinks in the money chest the souls
of your relatives and friends will rise out of Purgatory
into Heaven forever" *
out of this rose the Reformation
---Andrea on 8/11/07

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1) Yes Emcee...Jesus FINISHED the work that God, the Father sent Him to do, which was to give His life for FORGIVENESS of sins, that we in HIM would inherit eternal life and go to heaven. He received the punishment for our is FINISHED, as He said "IT IS FINISHED". He paid the price, He took the punishment, for us! No one needs such a place as purgatory, since if you are in Christ you are forgiven and go to heaven and if you are not in Christ, you go to hell. Plain and simple.
---Holly4jc on 8/11/07

2) Emcee: Why add so many complications? Man-made doctrine always gives man the feeling like he still has some kind of power over things, like there is still SOMETHING he can do to help it all along, instead of relying on what JESUS already did. Man-made doctrine = man still trying to have some kind of control and say so over his own life.
---Holly4jc on 8/11/07

Mark:1You know more about me Than I or my creator.Thank you for being wrong.
2.No popes have power over souls dead or alive.Wrong again.Popes are human beings like you & just as you condemn me accusers will be held liable for their actions.
3You repeat yourself to make a point.But no matter.
---Emcee on 8/11/07

Marcia::Explaining a concept to closed minds who ignor the basics,of Catholocism.1There are many who exit this world who are worthy of redemption and not for the fires of Hell.2 there are those who have reached a stage of perfection worthy of God and heaven,these enter Heaven.What happens to those souls who have no place to go, You as a protestant say? I as a catholic say they will be released by cleansing in a place or state called purgatory, based on the book of Machabees not in your KJV
---Emcee on 8/11/07

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I thought purgatory went out when the RC stopped selling indugences.
Oh I forgot they started selling them again. I guess they need the extra cash to pay for the pedophilia problem. I wish those pedophiles would go to purgatory today.
Have you ever hollered at anyone 'GO TO PURGATORY"!!! hahahahahha
---Andrea on 8/11/07

Emcee, you answers to Marcia that those who advocate against purgatory are working for the falsifier, or in other words Satan, is a bad example coming from you again. You are beginnig to give evidence of much evil in your heart. Have you not read how Sixtus IV use purgatory's doctrine by the Catholic Church for his own use? If you know already, yet you yourself refuse to speak against it, means you are in more sin then first thought of.
---mark on 8/11/07

#2. Emcee: Here, a pope, creature of flesh and blood, had power over the regions of the dead. Souls in torment for their misdemeanours could be released by his word, provided his relatives much money into their deep pockets. Praying for the dead was one thing, paying for them was another. Simple people were led to believe that the pope, or those who came to their villages and sold the pope's pardon, guaranteed would go to heaven on the wings of indulgences.
---mark on 8/11/07

#3. Emcee: the toe or finger of a martyr might be a morsel for a man of modest means but princes and bishops could afford to purchace a whole skeleton. Purgatory had no justification. Its real basis was papal avarice. Indulgences were limitless and could be priced to suit every pocket. Nothing was required of the donor or recipient, not love or compassion or prayer or repentance-only money. No practice was ever more irreligious than this. You could kill someone, you paid and went to heaven, what a joke.
---mark on 8/11/07

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You keep changing your position, which is it faith in Christ alone or Purgatory. Anybody can read your response and see that skating on both sides. One time you say Purgatory saves souls and the KJV is wrong, another time you state that Faith in Christ alone saves soul and the KJV is right. Then you completly change your position and try to add purgatory to the atonement made by Christ Jesus on the Cross.
---Marcia on 8/11/07

Marcia::"faith saves souls not Purgatory"Beloved you did not get my point cause only saved souls get a Wash before entering the pearly gates.Thats the key without blemish.To reply to your question are we not all children of the same King righteous "I live in them that live in Me "HIS way- Not your way".Jesus does not offer a comopromise.Sorry Love.
---Emcee on 8/11/07

Holy:: ":It is finished " Jesus was telling His Father the work you sent me to do Is completed & then He its one of those twisted quotations by the falsifier who misguides you once more & like a hungry fish you swallow Hook line & SINK HERone more wrapped up buttered with salt pepper & lemon juice,ready for grilling.Wake up Holly this in not a game of snakes & ladders.
---Emcee on 8/11/07


"(...)Purgatory saves souls-(...)"

No Emcee I got your point loud and clear.
Faith alone in Christ saves souls not Purgatory beloved.

To answer your qouestion, I am a Child of the King. Blessed and Highly favored, set apart, and declare righteous through Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.
---Marcia on 8/10/07

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Jesus's FINISHED work on the cross is MY assurance of Heaven. He said "It is Finished!" and I believe HIM. Asking and receiving Him into our hearts and trusting in Him and His sacrifice for our sins (for forgiveness of them and payment for them) is OUR ONLY assurance of going to heaven when we die. Nothing else!
---Holly4jc on 8/10/07

1 John 5:13

These things I have written TO YOU WHO BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD, THAT YOU MAY KNOW that YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
---Holly4jc on 8/10/07

Marcia:: Are you another appointee to the keeper of Souls Institution which is available to those who protest.You missed the point in my post & deflected it quite nicely .But the fact is Purgatory does not lead you to HELL its an assurance of Heaven.Hence The Arch Deciever will have you believe that it does not exist & Deleted from your KJV by Previous cohorts of His. Remember This all old Hat but brought forward with a new Face.
---Emcee on 8/9/07


Your own words bare witness to the fact that you are in bondage to sin and need to find Salvation in Christ so that his precious blood can cleanse you from a filthy concious so that you can be baptised in the Holy Spirit and put on the rigtheousness of Christ. Only when your eye are openned to this truth will you fully understand the gift of Salvation.
---Marcia on 8/9/07

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i agree with you marcia, what you're saying is the truth. So how bout those who dont have money to pay for their relatives who died?so their relatives cant go to heaven.Those people who believe in indulgences of the RCC, i hope you get the point,that its only heaven and hell,and im sad to know that there are still many people who are deceived here..ill help praying these people marcia...Praise God, and take care everyone,keep on sharing the TRUTH...
---chara4669 on 8/9/07

Mark 8:35
For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospels will save it.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver, I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

When we lose our life for Jesus, we actually save it...we are refined as in a furnace (where it is very hot and firey) through the afflictions and trials of this life, not afterwards.
---Holly4jc on 8/8/07

Marcia:"Purgatory is a satanic doctrine, weaved into the church like a snake on precious fabric"How eloquent, but False Purgatory saves souls- those not destined Damned those who claim this to be False are actually advocating for the deciever.The other side of this coin is that many are misinformed ,do not know especially among Protestants-why? simple the books which were pertinent do not suit those who protest the Creator.They were removed .KJV does not have them.
---Emcee on 8/8/07

And that snake has a name...SATAN!
---Holly4jc on 8/8/07

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Purgatory is a Satanic doctrine weaved into the church like a snake weaved into precious fabric. Its purpose is to block those disireing to have a relationship with christ from ever having one because they place their trust in their works more then in Christ.
---Marcia on 8/8/07

"He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15).
Now this loss, this penalty, cant refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there, and heaven cant be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.
---Lisa on 8/8/07

A myth that the sinner must be purged from impurities before entering Heaven.
It came by supposed revelation from a Catholic Pope after reading 1st Corinthians 3:15 and a verse from Maccabees. It's an invented doctrine.
Jesus' grace is all that's required for entrance to the Kingdom.
---Pharisee on 8/8/07

No such place, this purgatory , it is man made place......there is nowhere in the bible that states this at all.
---Starr on 10/18/06

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.emcee, you're a poet, and don't know it. There's no such thing as purgatory, which is a fabrication of man's invention. According to Scripture, when a person dies their fate is eternally sealed: if you die in sin, your damned; if you die without sin, your saved. Very rarely does God allow a person to come back from the dead for another chance at living again righteously.
---Eloy on 9/30/06

Luke 16:23
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/06

I stand with most of you. I have read the bible cover to cover, and nave never found any mention of Purgatory. And it is through Jesus's Blood that our sins are washed away, not torture and punishment in some fictition "after life" Place. You either accept Christ or Not, there are no in-betweens. The only exception are those people who have not reached the age of accountability. That is the time when a individual knows right from wrong.
---Michael on 9/29/06

On Purgatory, as a soldier for Christ I stand firm,as St Paul taught. .I am not daunted, but still smile at the inadequate thoughts of Hilarity proffered.I do however understand that there were many who mocked Jesus.But HE arose from the dead,after releasing those who were detained.which you do not believe.Jesus said the ways of God are different than the ways of Men. Scoff now because no clink of Coin, you will NOT arise & shine.If you cannot cover your bases, Cover your Faces. Right is might.
---Emcee on 9/29/06

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Eloy::Theres many a truth spoken in Jest. Just in case you get to that state you may be sick for a very long time.
---Emcee on 9/29/06

Purgatory sounds like lavatory...a place where people go to vomit?...just kiddin.
---Eloy on 9/29/06

No, but you'd better believe he asked for those who wanted to be saved, AND they counted them! Smarty pants.
---Crystal on 9/29/06

The Catholic Church raised revenue by selling what they called "Indulgences." These indulgences were peddled among Catholics not only for "the living but also for the dead." One of the common priestly sayings was, "As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from Purgatory springs".
John Tetzel was commissioned by Pope Leo X to sell these indulgences to raise money to complete the building of St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/06

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"The idea of Purgatory came from Persia, and Pope Gregory in 604 AD was the first Christian with brains enough to sense its commercial value. The Council of Trent (1545-1563) declared the Purgatory swindle to be a matter of Catholic faith.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/06

Christians go to Heaven on faith in Jesus Christ.This fact left medieval Roman Catholic priests in a quandary.If you can't control congregants by threatening them with pain in this life,you've got one strike against you. So priests invented Purgatory(see Sacraments)."It's true you'll get to Heaven even if you disobey me,"priests told their flocks,"but you'll suffer for hundreds of year in Purgatory first."The myth of Purgatory increased the power priests had over their congregations.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/06

Lisa's answer is correct.
---mima on 9/29/06

** I think Paul had an "altar call" where 3,000 people made decisions for Christ!**

You think wrong.

What do you imagine happened? Barnabas played, "Just as I Am" on the accordion as people moved forward?
---Jack on 9/29/06

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I think Paul had an "altar call" where 3,000 people made decisions for Christ! The point is, not even the concept of "purgatory" is mentioned in the Word of God. It is a ficticious place that makes lukewarm Christians feel better or comforts the family members of the lost who die. God has created no such place.
---Crystal on 9/29/06

Emcee, Purgatory was invented by the Catholic church to get indulgences from those who sinned and you could accummilate enough to get you through to heaven. Very false doctrine. Much money for the church but none scriptural no matter who says it is.
---lisa on 9/29/06

Emcee, I've read 1 cor 3, rev 21, and matthew 12:32. Since those scriptures say nothing of purgatory, what is the relevance? I agree no sin, nothing impure can enter heaven, but either we are born again and washed clean, or not, so by the time one dies, it's already a done deal.
---Christina on 9/29/06

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