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What Is A Backslider

Please define a backslider. If a person does get themselves into deliberate sin, that's an obvious backslider, but what if a person is addicted to let's say alcoholism and can't get free, yet still loves the Lord, is that a backslider?

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Miche, just listen to how you back peddled, "And guess what? God came and saved me! " Didn't you say that you came to Christ using your free will? Now you say He came to you and saved you. Isn't that what the real truth is? You knew it all the time but didn't want to admit it. And you call me false. It is you who was taking credit for the salvation God gave you. Insisting that you came to Him with your free will. Here you were taking the credit and calling me false. You should ask God to forgive you. For you sin against me, and sin against Him for taking the glory away from Him. In one sentence you made my point. It had to happen because there is no other way for a genuine Christian to believe.
---MarkV. on 8/30/09

Miche, 2:
When you were lost you were so far separated from God that even with what you call free will, you could not get close enough to even see Him. If God had not come and saved you, you would still be heading right to hell. Nothing you could have done would have saved you. It took for God to show mercy on you, and draw you to Himself. If He hadn't you would be right now hanging by a threat above the pit of hell, waiting for your destiney. You need to thank Him for having mercy on you and as I said ask for forgiveness for taking glory away from Him. Just tell Him you don't understand it all but that you trust in Him along that He will show you all the Truth.
---MarkV. on 8/30/09

A Christian can never be a backslidder because he lives by faith. Sin can never cause a Christian to be a backslidder. Why?
Because sin has no power over you.
---calhoon on 8/29/09

I used to be a sinner.
And guess what? God came and saved me! No, my eyes were not opened until the Holy Spirit came to live in me. You just don't stop with your false doctrine do you!
How is it God saved you and revealed his word to you? Were you born with it? NO. You heard God's holy Words that convicted you of your sin, then you repented, then the Holy Spirit came to live in you and is teaching God's word to you! You must understand that you have to repent and be forgiven for the Holy Spirit to come and even teach you the things of God!
I have never seen Such misunderstanding of God's word. And when others ask you to back up what you say, you act like a politician and dodge around it. You are false! A fake!
---miche3754 on 8/29/09

To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

In the Parable of the Sower. Three out of four seeds grew. Two were granted life but the one that brought forth fruit received the Eternal Life of Salvation.

....The two that only had life are not backsliders because they have no Spiritual Fruits to slide back from.

Backsliding is slipping from the Lord's path, into serving the Lord & another master. Lets say between Temperance & Wrath. In which case we're no longer steadfast but like waves of the sea driven by the winds of the moment : tossed to & fro.....but by the Grace of the Blood of Christ we have a Heart to repent. If we do sin(once revealed to us by the Holy Spirit) we'll repentantly turn from the sin & be steadfast again.
---Shawn.M.T. on 8/29/09

Hello Mark E. welcome to the answers here. Let me say I don't know what Shawn T. will answer but I am pretty sure he believes as I do. Only those who bear fruit are the one's saved. The passage continues when the disciples ask Him what the parable meant. And He said, "To you it has been given to know the "mysteries" of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand" Jesus was quoting Isa. 6:9 when He said, seeing they may not see and hearing they may not understand, and is God's act of judicially blinding unbelievers. That is why I told Miche that the lost are blinded and also cannot hear.
---MarkV. on 8/28/09

Rhonda, can you take me to the passages which state what you said,
Here is what you said:
"The bible states it is better to never have been born then to turn from God after receiving his gift of salvation"

Mark V, I think Rhonda "might have been" referring to Hebrews 6:4-6. Many want to quote this passage and say "See, a believer can turn from God's free gift." They seem to miss the part of the verse that says if that were to happen there would be no more sacrifice for them, since Jesus would have to be crucified again.
---tommy3007 on 8/28/09

Markv there are dozens of verses describing the Holy Spirit as a POWER DWELLING WITHIN a True Christian I did not quote any of them because it was assumed you understood this although I do understand many in rcc and other denominations believe HS only dwells in their buildings and not in a physical body

---Rhonda on 8/28/09

Nana, just keep on with God's word.
What you gave to Mark flew right over his head because he doesn't have ful understanding of God's TRUE word. All he has it what he has learned from following a mad man like Calvin. Other wise he would have understood what you are saying is pertaining to this exact subject.
God's truth is behind you, Nana, just keep saying it, keep enduring, those who do this are the ones who receive salvation.
---miche3754 on 8/28/09

This subject and OSAS always go back to the definition of who gets saved.

Luke 8:4-15 Parable of the Sower. Three seeds grow but only one brings forth fruit.

Which people get saved? Is it the three that grow? Or is it the one that bears fruit?

MarkV, ShawnMT, and I believe that only the one that bears fruit has salvation.

If you believe that all three that grow have salvation, then two of them are backsliders.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/28/09

Eloy, sorry, but you are wrong again. You cannot provide any passage that states that a person who is saved and endwelled by the Spirit can fall and lose the salvation that he did not earn in the first place. Genuine believers don't fall completely. God doesn't lose a single one of His children. You missed the promises of the New Covenant. And you also missed where God will make you stand, and where Jesus says He will sustain you. If you didn't miss them they you reject the Words of God, and put your own twist in Scripture and call the sustaining power of God as false. and man's power above God's.
---MarkV. on 8/28/09

Nana, I really don't have any idea what in the world you are talking about. I don't go around googling to find out what I want to put down. I have everything I need to read, study, and answer as clear and precise as I can so that people like you can understand better, but even that you complain about. And, What does Colossians 1:19-29 have to do with what I answered? We were speaking about the New Covenant promise. It is not even talking about the same things we are discussing. You can take the word of God that I give you to eat or you can spill it on the floor and trample it, it is all up to you.
---MarkV. on 8/28/09

A backslider is a person who has been saved and set free from sin, but then chooses to leave the Lord their Salvation and to fall back into sin from which they have been saved from. Jesus can set a person free from alcohol. When you truly love the Lord with all your heart then there will be no place for alcoholism. "Know you all not that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness?Or know you all not that wrong will not inherit kingdom of God? Be not deluded: not drunkards will inherit kingdom of God." Romans 6:16, I Corinthians 6:9,10
---Eloy on 8/28/09

I Google "SpiritAndTruth, Book of Colossians 1:19-29" and find on page 4 most of what you posted. Part of that you posted before in the Shall deceive The Elect blog. One single verse of Scripture and did I place a nickel in a Juke-Box? Take a sabbatical and read the word of God (leave home your commentaries and ready made answers).

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"
That is exactly what Jesus did in private to the twelve at the mount of Olives. They said, "Tell us", and He repplied "Take heed that no man deceive you".

What love,- of Tacos, Burritos and Enchiladas? He would had said, 'your lunch will wax cold'.
---Nana on 8/27/09

Nana, Matthew 24:12 does not say that those who are saved lose their love for Christ. In fact it teaches that the one's who persevere are the same one's who are saved-not the one's whose love grow's cold. Also these does not suggest that our perserverance secures our salvation for Scripture everywhere teaches precisely the opposite. God, as part of His saving work, secures our perseverance. True believers are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation (1 Peter 1:5). The guarantee of our perseverance is build into the New Covenant promise where God says, "I will put MY fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me"" Jer. 32:40).
---MarkV. on 8/27/09

Rhonda, none of the passages speak of a person been endwelled by the Spirit and losing salvation. Heb. 3:13,29 verse 12 is a warning, (those who are saved) lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, (those who are not saved) (unbelief). warns about been hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Verse 10:26-29 does not say these people were endwelled by the Spirit and born again. What verse 29 says, is "Of how much worse punishment do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the Covenant by which He was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" "Sanctified" refers to Christ, in that He was set apart unto God (John 17:19).
---MarkV. on 8/27/09

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Rhonda 2:
Having knowledge of the truth does not make someone save. This passage is probably the one that the other Rhonda was refering to. That there would be greater punishment for those who have heard the Truth and trampled it. Remember all those who perservere are those who are saved. It is connected to the promise within the New Covenant in Jer.
---MarkV. on 8/27/09

Mark V.

I will have to get back to you on that one. However, please read 2 Peter 2:19-22., Hebrews 6:1-6 and James 4:8-10.
---Rhonda on 8/27/09

Matthew 24:12: "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
---Nana on 8/26/09


I was going to respond ...see I didn't write the post under my name ....posting here since Jan 2008 that there is another Rhonda here I'll start signing my name to my posts


although I don't agree with this Rhonda's post entirely Hebrews 10:26-29, 3:13,29 describes how one can override Gods Holy Spirit dwelling in them AFTER they receive knowledge of truth ...backslidding is not one event it is continuous effort to ignore Gods Holy Spirit within them

many believe backslidding is impossible overlooking Rom 6:16, 12, and 1John5:16
---Rhonda on 8/26/09

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Rhonda, can you take me to the passages which state what you said,
Here is what you said:
"The bible states it is better to never have been born then to turn from God after receiving his gift of salvation"
I have looked for that perticular statement many times and have not found it. I have heard many who believe a person can lose salvation who say what you have stated and others believe it.
---MarkV. on 8/26/09

You can say you love the lord and believe he exists but you truly don't believe in him. As I stated in a previous blog. The bible states it is better to never have been born then to turn from God after receiving his gift of salvation. It is like a dog returning to eat his own vomit. Pray to God through Jesus his son for forgiveness for your sins. Do it daily with weeping and morning. You cannot get to heaven by being a good person here on earth. You must be born again. It seems you never were which in this case is a good thing because you can still get salvation. You have to give up your vices IE..drinking etc... No such thing as back sliding.
---Rhonda on 8/26/09

Adetunji, when a person true committment to Christ they come with many bad habits. The moment you confess Christ as Savior is not the time when everything bad disappears. You are forgiven, but much work has to be done by the Spirit in a person's life. It does not take a moment but a life time of correction. Sanctification.
There is people who have been praticing holiness and fall back to a habitual sin. God in keeping that sheep from completely losing him begins to work in chastizing him. Permitting him to fall, many times, bringing him to a stronger faith. But God nevers loses His children to Satan. I He did then He would not be God, Satan would.
---MarkV. on 8/24/09

A backslider is a person that has gone back into what the Lord Jesus Christ had previously delivered him/her from. The question talks about somebody who desires the Lord but has not overcome the addiction to alcohol. I struggled for 3 years personally to stop alcohol, i was able to reduce consumption but was still getting drunk because the little i was consuming was getting me more drunk than when i consumed much. But the Lord helped me, since 1991 I have stopped.
---Adetunji on 8/22/09

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>>>What a horrible testimony of the RCC RE: the crusades<<<<

As usual, history, in our schools is taught from a one-sided prospective. The Crusades were horrific, but so were the Muslim atrocities that motivated them. Blood, mutilation and mayhem on both sides. The RCC
thought they were "rescuing" the Holy City of Jerusalem.
---Donna66 on 8/21/09

Isn't it amazing too that those promises are also stated in Genesis 49....for the LAST DAYS, promised to Israel..not the Church. All through out scripture..Genesis 3:15 to Genesis 49 to Psalms 110 to Zachariah 12-14, also stated in Revelation.

We see so many things now coming to pass. For only in these last 100 years have we seen the regathering of Israel. ONLY God can do that!

What a horrible testimony of the RCC RE: the crusades. IF ONLY the RCC, Calvin and even Luther understood PROPHECY, THEY would not be guilty of anti-semitism, which will have eternal consequences.

They all lived by sight, and not be faith in God's SOVEREIGN WORD promised that HE and HE alone will bring to completion!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/21/09

There is no future event which is only a mere possibility, that is, something which may or may not come to pass, "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning" Acts 15:18.
The God of Scripture is Almighty God and does not need man's help to accomplish what pleases Him.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09

Absolutely, and KNOWN from the beginning God through Jesus Christ will reign and rule during the 1000 year Kingdom Reign. A little nugget of truth in Genesis 3:15.

Yes, and it will TOTALLY PLEASE HIM to bring to pass all His promises. When teh CHURCH returns with Jesus and sets up the Millenniel Kingdom Reign promised to ISRAEL teh Nation. AMEN!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/21/09

Kathr 2:
I believe you need to learn who God is first before you make comments the way you do. "He doeth according to His will, (not man's will) in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" Dan. 4:35. But you believe different and if it is not your way, then Scripture is wrong. But you are wrong. None of God's decrees are left contingent either on creatures or secondary causes. There is no future event which is only a mere possibility, that is, something which may or may not come to pass, "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning" Acts 15:18.
The God of Scripture is Almighty God and does not need man's help to accomplish what pleases Him.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09

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Perchance a seed bearing tree will become a forest on its own. Is the kingdom of God a perchance thing?
No, the soil must be worked. Luke 9:62: "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."
"Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground? When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and rie in their place?" Isaiah 28:23-29.
---Nana on 8/19/09

Read the parable about the 4 soils. It tells you only the one that is rooted and grounded will make it
---Lois on 8/18/09

Kathr, you first say I should have told her she had no free will, then you say to me, "Now you're saying God gave CHRISTIANS a free will TO SIN after He saved them" you are so confuse you don't even know what you are saying.
I believe that God from all eternity knew you would be that way, confused, and argumentive, and also knows if you will stop or not. You see Kathr, the God of Scripture knows all things. "For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" Ezek. 11:5. and also "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do" Heb. 4:13.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09

I told her we all fail at sometime but that doesn't mean we are not Christian, that we all make mistakes and for her to repent, and she did and started to come back to class.
---MarkV. on 8/17/09

MarkV, I can't understand why you told her that at all. shouldn't you have told her she has no free will, not before she is saved and certainly not after. So in fact, according to YOUR gospel, GOD MADE her sin. God programed from the beginning of time that she would do that. She really didn't do anything wrong, she only did as any robot would do who has no free will.

Now you're saying God gave CHRISTIANS a free will TO SIN after He saved them?

What a silly god you have!
---kathr4453 on 8/17/09

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An addiction or a compulsive behavior that is contrary to God's word is a fortress or stronghold (for the enemy) built within our life.

2 Cor 10:4 "for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses"

In my own life, I was not delivered from a life-long addition at salvation and had to work very hard to get freedom from it.

What was necessary for me was two-fold.

First, I needed to develop a real hatred for the addiction, just as God sees it. If we do not hate our addiction, we will not have success ending it.

Second, I needed to learn that God had delivered me 2000 years ago and all I needed was to accept that deliverance.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/17/09

We all live in a body of sin and death, so all will be faulty(backslide) before man. Before God we as Christians are faultless. We have been born again. Sin has no power over us. Christ came to set us free from sin. We are and stay saved through faith in HIM.
---duane on 8/17/09

Donna, I experienced what you discribe in your 8/14/09 answer. A sister use to worship with us at work bible study and for a few months we didn't see her. We had 21 buildings and one day I happen to see her in the hall and asked her why she was not coming, and she said she sinned and was ashame to come and pretend like she was holy when she wasn't. What happen was that another co-worker got angry with her and she responded wrong. And the other person told her what kind of a Christian she was, and so she felt so bad that she wanted not to come or study anymore about God. I told her we all fail at sometime but that doesn't mean we are not Christian, that we all make mistakes and for her to repent, and she did and started to come back to class.
---MarkV. on 8/17/09

Many good hearted people develop habits in order to ESCAPE REALITY (the reality/"stench" of "this world"). "This world" really doesn't have much of anything to offer a "Godly spiritual minded person" (they become sad/"depressed"...poor in spirit).

The trouble is that they (just like the rest of society) do not understand this.

The result is that they believe they are bad people (and society also thinks they are), but once they come to understand themselves and their reaction to this world, they will allow themselves to have the "INNER heaven" in their heart and mind (Romans 12:2).

Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit,...".

Verses from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 8/17/09

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They should not assume/label themselves as "alcoholic".

If the "drinker" has not had an evil lifestyle (EVIL lifestyles need repentance) and is truly righteous and just (pure/contrite heart/mind), they should not pick on themselves nor let others degrade them (no "self abasement", Colossians 2:18,...God wants to know the REAL "them"/SELF).

Luke 15:7
"righteous persons who need no repentance".

Ecclesiastes 2:17

"So, I hated life..." (because the stench of "this world" is "grevious" to me).

John 12:25

"He who loves his life loses it...".

Get understanding--PROVERBS.
---more_excellent_way on 8/17/09

A person that has receieved The Light of God's Word,His One & Only Salvation Plan,Mark 16 v 16 - Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19-20,Gal. 1 v's 8-9. A person that has lived this from a few days to many yr's then turn to that which is Not God's,which Is Man-made relig-orgs churches, & that Is r-catholocism(the first trin-church)with her offspring churches. People that do such Are turned over to a reprobate mind,believeing lies,Doomed to the lake of fire. It will only be by God's Mercy - Grace if your reinstated to God's One & Only Salvation Plan. Those that totally fall out,there's No hope at all.
---Lawrence on 8/17/09

To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Backsliding is slipping from the path of the Lord, into serving the Lord & another master : in this case Gluttony.

No man can serve two masters. He will either hate the one & love the other or hold to the one & despise the other(Rom.7:15-17). In which case he is like the waves of the sea driven by the winds of the moment and tossed to & fro.

God's Promise is Faithful, so hold fast the profession of Faith & ask in Faith without wavering to not be conformed to this world: but to be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may Prove what is that Good, Acceptable & Perfect, will of God because to be carnally minded is death but to be spiritually minded is Life & Peace.
---ShawnM.T. on 8/16/09

I understand this person has overcome some of the old-sins but is yet to overcome some. I will not condemn/abuse him/her as a backslider.
The person should(since he/she still loves the Lord)confess the problem to the Lord and ask Him for help sincerely to overcome this sin. Acts2:21, Rom.10:13,whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. God will deliver the person if he/she surrenders the problem to the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Adetunji on 8/15/09

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ralph --- I think others have heard what you heard...or something like it. It's a false idea, spread with good intentions.

It is not human, not normal, to be "excited" all the time about Jesus or anything else. When you first receive a touch from the Holy Spirit and "fall in love" with the Lord, it IS exciting. As time goes on, your relationship with the Lord should get deeper.
But nobody should think they are "backslidden" because they are not as "excited" as they once were.
---Donna66 on 8/14/09

Catherine -- I don't believe you are talking about "backsliders". I think you are talking about those who have "fallen away" in the sense of an open and avowed renouncing of Christ, from enmity of heart.It's not that God seldom renews them to repentance, but rather that they are seldom WILLING to be renewed.
On the other hand, most "backsliders" don't renounce Christ. They become lazy in their prayer life, unwittingly get into tempting situations, yield to temptations and distance themselves from God out of shame. God patiently and eagerly waits for their repentance as prodigal sons. They may have to work their way through multiple trials before they "come to themselves" and repent.
---Donna66 on 8/14/09

If you have faithfully walked with Christ, and then find you are now struggling with an addiction, it doesnt mean you are backslidden, it can mean a door has been opened by you that has allowed the effects of a fallen world to supercede the power of God in your life. There are 2 attitudes to then look at:1 that says 'i want to do this, i want to sin' and another that says 'dear God, help me get out of this mess'. The apostle Paul said, 'that which i want to do, i do not do, and that which i dont want to do, i do'. Man will look at the outward and judge actions, but God is interested in your hearts motivations. That is not to say there isnt an issue that needs to be addressed, it simply means the grace of God is with those that desire to be free.
---feena on 8/14/09

A backslider is broken faith with God by serving other gods and by living immoral lives. Hebrews 6-6 talks of falling away and you are crucifying the Son of God afresh, and putting Him to open shame. God can renew them to repentance, but He SELDOM DOES IT, and with men themselves it is impossible.
---catherine on 4/17/08

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There is also unconscious sin.
Not all sin is deliberate ... a sudden angry response to someone, and so on.
We all continue to sin after we are saved (except that a few here claim never to sin) even if we do not intend to.
I regard the backslider as one who loses all commitment to their faith, and just lets go on behaviour, or even turns their back on the Lord
---Alan8869_of_UK on 4/16/08

Well heard wrong. What do you think being in the valley means, dry spots, barren land mean? When you hear a Christian say this it means: they ar not feeling as hot for Christ" as they use to or should. They are going through a trial or a test. It passes in due time. Don't pass information you don't know anything about. You could cause someone to lose their soul. There is a high price to pay with God for doing this.
---Robyn on 8/7/07

I always heard that if you aren't as excited today about Jesus as you were yesterday than you are a backslider!
---ralph on 8/7/07

Donna, in my opinion, when we are saved, We are forgiven when we repent of the sins against God we have commited. We are covered by His righteousness and as new believers we are guided and sustained by Christ for our faith. No one can give everything up the moment they believed. They have had life long habits that have run their life's since they were born. Every time we try to leave some habit on our own abilities we fail.
---lisa on 11/30/06

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2. as we began our walk, we began to read God's Word everyday. As we read we began to see what God calls bad and His continuing advice to believers not to sin, and what things are sins. Each day when we yeild to the Spirit we learn and conquer our habits with the help of the Holy Spirit. Each one begans to fall, one by one, always growing in the Lord, to be more Christlike. It is called sanctification. This is accomplish by both the person yeilding everyday and the Holy Spirit helping Him yeild.
---lisa on 11/30/06

3. At no time in his life is the person ever perfected. That doesn't happen until we die and are glorified. While alive, we will sin that is why Scripture is for the believer, for rightful living. For instruction, for correction, but only because the person needs God's word to convict him when he does sin. I am not a legalist, or a perfectionist. I believe the whole of God's word is revealed to us in time. To some one revelation as needed and another for someone who needs help in another area.
---lisa on 11/30/06

4. Some will say, that only gives you an excuse for continuing to sin, but if that person wants to sin on purpose, he never wanted to change in the first place. All believers are weak in the beginning, but become stronger as they grow in God's Word.
---lisa on 11/30/06

If a person is under an addiction they can't break no matter how much they wish and pray needs to be delivered. No matter what you may believe most(maybe even all) psychological addictions are cause by a demonic force. This is what is called bondage. There is a passage in the Bible that states "sin leads to more sin." When you commit the same sin enough you allow a demon to get farther and farther in control. To the point where you can't stop whatever sin it is.
---Matthew on 11/30/06

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II.This is true for any sin. You do it enough and it becomes habitual. Look up some deliverance prayers and follow the steps. The steps are normally easy to do for someone who loves God. You need to have faith in the blood of Jesus and that it can deliver you from what is doing this to you. I went through the same thing so I know what it is like. This is not backsliding though if your heart is right and you still can't seem to break a sin it's not all the person's fault.
---Matthew on 11/30/06

III) It's just one of the things the Devil does to try to hurt those that love God. He tries to keep them in bondage of past sins. Keep in mind several things. Self condemnation is the Devils way. So whenever you feel condemned accept it as not you or God's and rebuke the thought. Also remember your heart doesn't desire to drink so through acts of faith start seperating your heart from the desire to drink.
---Matthew on 11/30/06

Believe that it is no longer yours through faith and let your heart look to God as you are doing so. Ask him for the faith to believe you can be seperated from the desire. Then say in faith "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I demand alcholism to flee from me!" Before you do all of this make sure you have forgiven everyone including yourself. Before doing all this read up on deliverance to make sure you are doing all this right.
---Matthew on 11/30/06

Elder a deliverance minister(minister who casts out demons as their ministry) will tell you otherwise. A deliverance minister will tell you a saved person can't be possessed by a demon(demon actually takes over the person) but they will tell you a saved person can be oppressed in the mind or the body or both and can be in bondage. I had to deal with this and I had to face the world of demons head on. I know more than I would like now after having cast out many demons out of my body.
---Matthew on 11/30/06

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A person wanting to be set free from any addiction is not a backslider. They are holding on to God, Spiritually, and can not let go of the cravings of the flesh. Wanting and faking it are 2 different things. I believe and know that God' is a deliverer to those who wants it bad enough
---Orline on 11/29/06

if it is a vice that they had before they became a christian then how can it be back sliding. but hopefully they are seeking help so they can move forward and be free of all that are holding them back from the abundant life.
---Jared on 11/4/06

(Hebrews 10:26,27)
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/4/06

Maybe Jesus should have used a better expression than "born-again"? "Ye must be born again", He told Nicodemus. How many times can one be born...or un-born...or "reborn". Physical birth is an unrepeatable event. Do you think spiritual birth is not?

Jesus could have said, you need to "turn over a new leaf", get "a new lease on life" "change your habits".
But He didn't. No matter how a newborn screams, nobody stuffs it back into the womb.
---Donna2277 on 10/8/06

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Elder, I also read from many that they get lost and then are reborn many times. Some more the three times. Morgan and Eloy are but two of many that have stated they were reborn a few times but this time it is true but yet they don't believe in OSAS and their salvation they say is true. I don't understand how they can say this one is true and yet not believe it is true by refusing OSAS. Just don't get it.
---lisa on 10/8/06

Eloy none of the NT references you used were about a Christian "backsliding." If anyone would take the time to read the verses you will see these were lost.
A demon cannot enter into a saved person. Yet the examples you used had not only one but seven take over. How much plainer could it be. Yet you willing distort what the Bible is teaching here.
---Elder on 10/8/06

Eloy, if you can leave God, do you honestly think you were saved to begin with? I dont think so.

1 Corinthians 15:2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
---tofurabby on 10/5/06

Sliding away from God, and Sliding Back into sin. Many profess the false doctrine of "once saved always saved" and distort the scriptures by saying that, leaving God, backsliding, falling from grace, and apostasy doesnt happen. Know the scriptures, in both the O.T. and in the N.T. speak of backsliding and losing your salvation. Ezekiel 18:24-32; 33:12-20; Matthew 12:43-45; Luke 11:24-26; II Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 10:26,27,30,38.
---Eloy on 10/3/06

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(2.)God will lovingly convict, His people will respond to Him by obeying Him, He sanctifies them through His Truth. But under no circumstance can God work with the rebellious and unrepentant, God is Holy, God let's His people know if they are out of line, that their behavior is "ungodly", and must stop. God is Good, isn't He! God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/3/06

mima, (1.) Do you assume Lot and Noah continued to get drunk? We don't find that recorded in the Bible. God don't work with the rebellious, only the humble and obedient, thus we know that Lot must of surrendered that problem to God. Mima, God is not a respecter of persons, remember Moses and the promise land? Just like Noah, and other's, we can't look at their mistakes then say "God looked over it", God never looks over sin, and there is always a consequence to it....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/3/06

If an alcoholic claims to be saved and is trying to change to be more pleasing to God, then he/she is on the right track. If they claim to love Christ, but are not changing because they really dont want to, then I dont think they truly have love for Christ. (What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? Rom. 6:21) Is the person now ashamed of the drinking? If they are saved, they should be feeling guilty about it.
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

A backslider is one who has heard the truth, and claimed to be saved, but never really accepted Christ from their heart (Rom 10:9). They are able to reject Christ because they were never saved to begin with.

"By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." 1 Cor. 15:2

Your belief is of none effect unless you believe with your heart.
---tofurabby on 10/3/06

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They're both backslidden. The one who goes into deliberate sin is the one in Heb 6:5-6 who becomes rejected by God and loses salvation. The 2nd one is the righteous who "falls seven times" but rises back up in Prov 24:16. The 2nd one is passing through a fire of spiritual strongholds, is bound by ignorance, and needs to forcefully break the stronghold by God's power rather than try to overcome the physical problem. Though he's backslidden, he hasn't lost God's love, grace or even the Holy Ghost.
---Okebaram on 10/3/06

A backslider is someone whom once was on fire for God and for some reason, they loss their desire to serve him and in time they turn back into the world. If one has is an alocholic and they get saved, their desire to drink is gone. For Jesus takes that away from them. If they go back to drinking, they give into temptation. and in order for God to help them, they must first help themselves. by trying to get help. God can't help the unwilling.
---Rebecca_D on 10/3/06

UK Alan, thank you. Good and upright is the Lord; He teaches sinners in the way. The humble He guides in justice, the humble He teaches His way. For Your name's sake, O Lord, Pardon my iniquity, for it is great. Ps 25:8-11 You can't judge how deep the well is by the pump handle.
---Spike on 10/3/06

A person who still has an addiction is not a backslider if they still love the Lord. Addiction is something that only the Lord Jesus Christ can set a person free from.
---Helen_5378 on 10/3/06

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In order to be a backslider a person would first have to have slid forward. And as for drunkenness I am reminded of "righteous" Lot. Now according to Mrs. Morgan Mr. Lot(a drunkard)would've had to go to Hell! But the bible calls Mr. Lott righteous-- these blogs are a great place to learn of other peoples beliefs.
---mima on 10/3/06

(2.)....Power from on High, to break yolks of bondage, they give them "Gutter Doctrines", "Gutter Hope" and the bound remain "in bondage", Who cares what "they say", all that matter's is what God says.Untold multitudes of devil possessed have been delivered at my church, through our Jesus Ministries, it takes the power of God, the Divine Blood of Jesus, to set a person free from those awful bondages.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/2/06

(1.)Jesus is the answer to all forms of bondage. Yes, a alcoholic and drug addict are no longer saved, but many of "preachers" would beg to differ, pure deceit! They say , "Friend, You can't backslide, you are eternally secure", What wolves! Those minister's are useless to the Kingdom of God, useless! Instead of serving people Gods Saving Truth, .....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/2/06

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