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Please explain what this scripture means:
Ro 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

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.bruce, that is because your ears are dull of hearing the truth.
---Eloy on 3/23/08

Boy that line is tired. Can't you come up with something a little more original?

How about my questions re Peter and Paul?
---Bruce5656 on 3/23/08

Yes MrsM ... since I knew that you had asked that of others.
But you would have found my profile had been deleted, in spite of me being so handsome.
I don't know why.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/19/06

alan8869_of_UK , What do you mean? By penpal?
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/18/06

Mrs M ... I wanted to write to you, but cannot. Why would that be?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/18/06

A child sticks a pin in an electric socket and from there on Loves to not mess with it again. Unless forced otherwise we always do what we Love.
---Nana on 10/17/06

Okebaram, penpal me at "narke4934", you have to sign up on the penpals link, by clicking on the "Mall" Tab, on top of this page. God Bless You!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/14/06

Mrs M ... "... those despised FEW, that were/are such good examples of a good & Faithful Servant to the Lord"
Who has ever despised these faithful servants? Perhaps you will try to point the finger at people here? I don't think you will be able to find any.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/13/06

Mrs M ... ah, cold luke warm & hot. yes ... but who are you to judge who falls into which category, and whether or not they will go to heaven? Where does it say a "cold" Christian will not go to heaven?
Did Jesus ever say that a person who believed in & on Him may not go to heaven?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/13/06

Mrs M ... On the matter of the Divinity of the Blood of Jesus, why is it that you reckon His blood to be more divine than Christ Himself? Why do you worship the Blood more than the Risen Christ?
What saved you, His Sacrifice for you, or the blood spilled in that sacrifice? Surely the Sacrifice includes the Blood, and the Blood would have been nothing without the Sacrifice?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/13/06

Mrs. Morgan, my reply wasn't posted so I'm trying again: A Christian who walks in the Spirit may stumble atimes, or not yield atimes, if you want, but the Holy Spirit wouldn't be so quick to leave him/her. Instead He may lead him/her back into His blue prints, and continue walking with Him. The bible says thought the righteous fall seven times, he shall rise again. Didn't you stumbled a few times after you initially started the walk you claim to have with the Spirit?
---Okebaram on 10/12/06

Bruce5656, God will lead His obedient people into ALL TRUTH, the hour is too late, let God reason with you concerning the divinity of the Blood of Jesus, PLEASE, with all humility of heart I implore you ,one can't enter into Heaven on a "false pretense", but only by the Divine Blood of Jesus, in this Grace Period, which is about to END. Stop reasoning with man's reasoning, Bruce, God's reasoning is higher (Isaiah 55:8,9)(Isaiah 1:18).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

Mrs. Morgan,
You cannot find the expression "divine blood" in the bible.

You know very well I have no question as to the divinty of Jesus.

You rob him of his humanity and the full meaning of his sacrifice with your pious words.
---Bruce5656 on 10/12/06

There you go again Morgan, you explained what I was trying to tell you and eventually you had to say it, why? Because it is in scripture and because it it the truth, that it is God who saves, just what I was trying to tell you. Here is what you said, "It takes God's Sanctification power to save a person'. Now you knew that and continued to argue with me about how you have to do something to get saved.
---lisa on 10/12/06

Alan (2.) The Bible has several "types and shadows" in both the Old and New Testaments , like Noah's Generation, and Sodom, The 7 Churches, etc, that we must learn from! All Christian's must study these 7 churches of Revelation, and all the other "types and shadows" in the Word, to gain futher insight of what God "accepts" and what God "doesn't accept" (Revelation 2).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

Alan (2.) The Bible has several "types and shadows" in both the Old and New Testaments , like Noah's Generation, and Sodom, The 7 Churches, etc, that we must learn from! All Christian's must study these 7 churches of Revelation, and all the other "types and shadows" in the Word, to gain futher insight of what God "accepts" and what God "doesn't accept" (Revelation chapters 2 and 3).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

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alan8869_of_UK, (1.)You asked what are the 3 kinds of Christians? Hot, Cold, and Lukewarm Christian's. This is in Revelations, once again the 7 Churches in Revelation are actual churches, but they also are "types and shadows" of the different "types of Churches" ,"types of Christians", ...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

3. Let me also say, that making mistakes is human. We all do them. Not one person is perfect. Not one. We are all learning and realizing we have erred is only humbleness. I know its hard for you to be wrong even when Bruce debated about the blood. You just have to be right no matter what is presented to you. But you and others will say, "believe what you want to believe" but what about the others that are supposed to learn from you? It hurts you and others that pick up on what you say.
---lisa on 10/12/06

2. You see, what has happened to you is that you are so mixed up on the doctrines of Salvation that you argue one thing, and speak for what you argued about on other questions. It happens to everyone that is confused or wrong. You are not the only one. Many here will argue for days on end and when they answer to other questions they speak on behalf of what they argued about before. Eloy does that a lot. He makes one point and later speaks about the very thing he argued about.
---lisa on 10/12/06

Morgan, to say that ANYTHING is divine is to say that it has the nature of God, and should be worshipped. The blood of Jesus is no more divine than his fingernail clippings, and I doubt that you want to worship those.

This is NOT to minimize the power of the blood; it is powerful, as many Scriptures and songs attest. Therefore, I urge you to use another, more accurate term, a term that is in line with Scripture, for there is NO verse saying the blood of Christ is a God, as your post hint at.
---JohnT on 10/12/06

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Bruce5656 , If you don't profess that the Blood of Jesus is Divine, what is the point of discussing any topic? I will not go into long discussions with someone who tries to rob my Lord of the Divinity aspect of His Blood, I refuse to do that.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

Mrs M ... What are your "3 kinds of Christian"? Don't try to quote Jesus, because the term was not in use whilst he was with us.
Some who call themselves Christian are not Christians.
But all Christians are Christians and all will go to heaven even if, like you, and like me, they have got some of the doctrine wrong
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

When I was little girl there was a man named Mr. Murphy who lived on my street. Mr. Murphy was such a nice man, very polite, very giving, I never seen him being violent, but he was a drinker, most times I think back on him ,he smiled alot(he was sedated). Mr. Murphy died years ago(when I was still young) , I hope he found the Lord, I'm sure he went to church, but being nice and going to church and wearing a Christian title isn't enough, It takes
God's Sanctification power to save a person(John 17:17).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

alan8869_of_UK, (II.)I'm sure glad that I came across those true Children of God that knows the true meaning of God's love, the true meaning of His Truth. I Thank the Lord, for those despised FEW, that were/are such good examples of a good & Faithful Servant to the Lord. Some are not brought up right in the Lord, but still God expects/requires people to humble themselves before Him and tarry after His Truth, and not work so hard to please themselves and other's (Matt. 5:6).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

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(II.)Some have professed that the Blood of Jesus was "mere human Blood", even with the miracle of the Virgin birth of Christ, they still profess this, and have not recanted it. I have talked to my brother in Christ about this, and I see no reason to conversate with those who deny the Divinity of the Blood of Christ. Folk need the Full Gospel Truth. Those that start off without "the Divine Blood of Jesus" were never saved, the devil had fooled/robbed them.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

(I.)No one can be saved "by the Blood", if they don't profess the Blood of Jesus to be Divine, Christians can't get into Heaven without the Divine Blood of Jesus(the devil is subtle,he tries to take the power/Divinty out of the Blood of Jesus, it has robbed many, and is the reason why the Church is mostly Apostate), true holiness is connected with that Divine Blood of Jesus, most have a "false form of Christ", a "false Salvation" with is devoid of God...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

The point is Mrs M that those who are in hell now, are not and never were Christians.
And some who call themselves Christians now, are not Christians.
Christians are Christians and are saved, and will go to heaven.
It is not for you to say who will go to heaven
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

Donna ... My post was meant for Mrs M ... I don't know why I put Donna ... so sorry!
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

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Not professing to be a Christian and is a Christian in name only (the world's def. of Christian as Alan pointed out)

Why is it you cannot simply agree that a Christian - as defined above and below - will be going in the rapture and going to heaven? You said before you do not believe in a partial rapture. Have you changed your mind?

Is it that you do not know what professing means? Is that the problem?
---Bruce5656 on 10/12/06

alan8869_of_UK, Some believe that Christian's just need to be nice, likable and popular, and they will go to Heaven, unfortunately , many of nice likable Christians are in Hell right now, without true holiness, true godly love(which is not devoid of warning those not in line with the Truth) no man will see the Lord. Some dont understand what true holiness, true goodness, true godly love means.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

AlanUK -- I never mentioned "3 kinds of Christian". Somebody else must have said that. One is either a Christian or one is not. And, yes, some who call themselves "Christian" are not.
---Donna2277 on 10/12/06

Mrs. Morgan,
As with the time you could have put a stop to the "worship the blood of Jesus" thing with a simple clarification,(A clarification you were challenged to make several times and refused. A clarification which you, after much much discussion finally conceded.) so it is this time.

You may feel that the definition of a Christian is relative but I have made it clear what I mean by Christian. One who is saved (by the blood if you will) but saved. Not lost.
---Bruce5656 on 10/12/06

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Lee 1 You are quite right in what you say to Morgan, She is a prime example of those who KNOW they are right and condemn any who have a slightly different perception, or use different words
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

john , The wise man on the Cross, had a repentant and obedient humble heart, the other didn't. God saves, God don't save a person to "be a sinner still" thats is not Biblical. When God saves, a person is perfected through His Truth, but most prefer not to contiune on with the Lord, so they "lose out". Jesus said be ye Perfect, only through abiding IN HIM,continuing with Him, can one be perfected in His Truth , in His Love, sanctified. (Psalm 37:37)(John 17:17)
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

I want to make sure everyone understands. It is not about Morgan the person. It is about the Word of God. Every Christian needs to grow in the Knowledge of our Lord. And not false doctrines with half truth and lies. We can disagree about a lot of the none-essentials but not on the essential of the Christian faith. And by the way, if you are a Christian you are saved. There is no lost Christians. If he is lost he is not a Christian.
---lee_1 on 10/12/06

Mrs M You are using the world's meaning of Christian, not the true meaning that we all (perhaps excepting you) understand here.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

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Morgan, what you say others are doing you are doing, and the reason you gave is the reason. You just don't know. And yet, have the nerve to call others names. Everyone knows Jesus and the blood. Everyone knows He died on the cross. Just because you know that, does not give you the right to call others wrong and then call them names because they don't see what you feel you know. Your Ignorance of God's Word shows in many answers because you only give half of the truth and the rest you made up.
---lee_1 on 10/12/06

The man who said"God be merciful to me a sinner" went away justified but the man who said" I'm glad I'm not like one of those sinners" went away unjustified. The only difference between the 2 was one aditted he was not perfect and needed God's mercy, the other one thought he already was perfect and didn't need God's mercy.
---john on 10/12/06

Bruce5656, (1.)I try my best to be as clear as possible. "Christian" and "Saved" are both very relative terms, being a Christian, don't mean one is saved, period. I might not have the best terminologgyy in the world , but I sure know what Obedient and Disobedient means, Divine and human Blood means(in regard to Jesus) God has never tolerated disobedience or False teaching, He proved that many of times, but there are some who think He does...
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

Bruce5656, (II.)... and they won't get by, no matter how "good" they profess to be, or how great their grammar is, or what they profess they have like tongues for example(The devil is good at Counterfeiting) The Real Holy Ghost will never lead one to believe that the Blood of Jesus isn't Divine. God's true people are in harmony with the Basic Essentials of the Truth, Salvation, Sin, The Divine Blood of Jesus, God's Grace, Righteousness....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

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(III.)...The Disobedient(those that are contrary to His Truth)will not go to God's Holy Heaven,it's impossible.God can only sanctify one through His Truth, but many rebuff It,and distort It,so they can't be sanctified. Any one who dont believe the Blood of Jesus is "Divine", they will have a hard time getting into Heaven, it takes Jesus' Divine Blood to to get in there. The devil has fooled many,Many think they have Jesus, but they don't,just "a form of Him",it just won't work.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/12/06

Lee 1 ... I have been here longer than you.
You are too sensitive in defence of OSAS. I was not attacking that belief, only giving it as an example. Another example is that "one cannot be saved if one believes in OSAS"
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

2. Or believe in your own efforts as the cause of your salvation. Taking credit is the point. Who gets the glory, for your salvation, you are God. If I am talking to you, I assume you are a Christian already, if not I would not be talking to you about the Sovereignty and goodness of God, you would not understand it anyway. Unless God opened your heart to His Truth.
---lee_1 on 10/12/06

Alan has a point. We as christians are still in the sanctification process, and it is God that does that work in us. Because we have not arrived, there are still areas in us all where we need to be led into a fuller truth. We have the basic and essential truth of salvation-gospel,but are all at differnt places. God Will bring His own into all truth, exposing any unbelief/lies of the enemy. Some doctrinal debates I am unsure of, but as I read and pray I know Jesus will enlighten me.
---christina on 10/12/06

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No one has said you cannot be saved if you believe in OSAS. Not one person that I know or that I have read. It is just another assumption and phrase to add the OSAS to another group. The very work of people that don't believe in OSAS are the one's saying this things which are so wrong to begin with. It is not about been saved, it is about knowing how we came to be children of God, and how Christ sustains us as His children. Believe in Christ and trust in His promises,
---lee_1 on 10/12/06

Bruce ... yes you are right, but the other point I made was that I doubt if there is anyone here who has all points of doctrine correct. At least that is what I think.
Others clearly do not agree. for we have:
"You cannot be a Christian if
yuo drink/smoke
don't beleive in OSAS
don't believe in predestination
don't worship on Saturday
vote Democrat
And many more nonsenses.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

Experience has shown that when Mrs. Morgan is confronted with poor terminology, using words that mean something different than what she means she is more than reluctant to retract what she has said. In this case all she has to do is to admit that what she really meant was "professing" Christians will not go to heaven. In other words those who say they are Christian but are not at all. She seems more concerned about being right than being correct.
---Bruce5656 on 10/12/06


I can tell you that Eloy has indeed said the things Lee said he said.
---Bruce5656 on 10/12/06

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Donna ... What are your "3 kinds of Christian"? Don't try to quote Jesus, because the term was not in use whilst he was with us.
Some who call themselves Christian are not Christians.
But all Christians are Christians and all will go to heaven even if, like you, and like me, they have got some of the doctrine wrong.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/12/06

Mrs. Morgan when you study the Bible for yourself instead of reading some milk toast books you will come to realize that 100% of the Christians in S&G were taken out before God destroyed those two cities.
You will also realize that 100% of the Christians on earth were placed in the Ark.
100% of Christians will go in the Rapture of the Church.
Show where the Bible says otherwise. You can't.
---Elder on 10/12/06

Emcee , You are RC, I know how much confession is important to you. Now, if I'm not mistaken, when Catholic's go to confession, they are confessing their sin's to God, knowing that the priest can't save man from his sins, can't be a mediator to God the Father(Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit does that), but rather the priest is a friend who "listens", and encourages one to confess their sin's to God, is this correct Emcee?
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

MRS M::"I am human It is not going to work"You believe in TRUTH do you believe in Confession for starters?Do you believe that a priest can forgive sins if Not why not .Mrs M look at correction "B"is that a typo too.?
---Emcee on 10/11/06

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Donna2277, In regard to your statement about one having pride they will be one of the Few who makes it, it has nothing to do with "foolish pride", and everything to do with God's Grace and Godly Obedience.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

Donna2277,(II.)...Every thing to do with not forsaking Jesus Christ the Righteous."Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love"(Rev.2:4).The 7 Churches in Revelation are actual churches, and they are also "types of Churches", "types of Christians", many miss out on the points made here in regard to the 7 churches, because they don't understand the "fullness of it",like they don't understand the fullness of Noah's Generation.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

alan8869_of_UK , (II.) It's not what I say, it's what the Word says, the Word says only a FEW will make the Rapture, will go to Heaven, period. I'm too busy a person to try to judge people, I believe in God's Truth, it's His Truth that I chose to live by, I try to encourage as many people as I can to live by God's Truth too, because God don't accept excuses. That phrase, "I'm only human", is not going to work, God offers His overcoming power to those who will accept It.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

Okebaram , I can't agree with you on that, because sinning and walking in the Spirit are contrary to one another, you know what I mean?
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

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Eloy, did you really say the things Lee says you said?
---Okebaram on 10/11/06

alan8869_of_UK , In regard to the Rapture ,It was "obviously a typo", and in regard to your statement how can a Christian "not go to Heaven"? Alan there are 3 kinds of Christian's only one kind will make it, that's what Jesus said.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

**CORRECTION** Donna2277, Yes I made a typo , it should read my guess is roughly 99% of Christian's will NOT make the Rapture (I was rushing, very busy morning). In other words only a FEW will make the Rapture, and only a FEW will go to God's Heaven, "Noah's Day" and "Sodom and Gomorrah" were some examples Jesus gave only a FEW obedient souls were saved. The church is mostly Apostate, this is why only a FEW will make it(Luke 21:36)(2 Peter 3:14).
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

Okebaram (II.), I'm going to have to take a break from the Blogs, things are getting very busy in my household(I'm doing every thing on my own). I'll have to cut down my post considerably! But any way, It's all about yielding not to temptation, but yielding to the Holy Spirit, it's impossible to sin if one is yielding to the Holy Ghost. God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

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Jesus did not say " few there be that will go to heaven" He said "few there be that are walking on the road that leads to life"(no mention of eternal life)
According to 2 places in Rev. the number of redeemed in heaven are inumerable.
So I believe the "life" that Jesus was referring to was life more abundantly which is here and now and I would agree that few are walking in that.
---john on 10/11/06

Mrs. Morgan, Eloy, I agree with you that a Christian is capable of abstaining from sins but that if a Christian sins he "doesn't walk in the Spirit" (Morgan)? Nope. That's wrong. And Morgan, a Christian IS automatically saved when they receive Jesus. The quandary lies in MAINTAINING that salvation, and sinning doesn't necessarily mean the Christian has lost that salvation...Cont'd
---Okebaram on 10/11/06

MrsM You contradict yourself ... first you say "Most Christian's won't go to Heaven" Then you say 99% will make the rapture.
What are you trying to say?
In any case, it is not for you to make the judgment ... if you do try to make that judgment, you give to yourself greater power and authority than the Pope for whose person and position you hold so much contempt and hatred
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/11/06

I tend to see this used to say many professing Christians wont go to heaven: Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
It does not have to do with their lifestyle... it means that Jesus Christ is the 1 and only way. That is pretty narrow... 1 way. Not how you live. Not of yourselves.
---tofurabby on 10/11/06

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Mrs Morgan ---??? 99%?, ninety-nine percent is not a FEW. I'm sure you meant the opposite of what you actually said. Otherwise, you couldn't take such obvious pride in being one of the "few" who have it right.
---Donna2277 on 10/11/06

confusion to the issue.

There is no question that there will be those who professed to be but were not. Who even had outward signs of being a Christian but God knew their heart. Jesus addressed this in Matt 7:22-23. In Luke 12:36-48 he addresses what happens to those who are backslidden. We see there a picture of a beliver in hell (note - believer does not = Christian and here is a description of someone who, knowing the truth, believes the truth, has turned their back on it.)
---Bruce5656 on 10/11/06

Mrs, Morgan,

My definition of a Christian is someone who is saved and on the way to heaven. 100% of Christians will be in the rapture and Heaven. There are not degrees of being saved. Either one is or is not saved.

Someone who professes to be a Christian but is not or was and is backslidden is not a Christian at all. To refer to them as "Christians" with out qualifying them as "professing Christians" brings
---Bruce5656 on 10/11/06

Bruce5656 ,(I.) Many carry this title, yet only a FEW will make it. Most Christians are lukewarm, some even cold, only the Hot one's(the Holy Ghost filled, full-time yielders)"The bride", will be raptured, if I had to guess I would say roughly only about 99% of Christians will make the rapture....
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

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4. The Christian life is a relationship with Christ. We are not left alone to fight the good fight. We have the Holy Spirit helping us as believers to fight this fight so as to reach the goal. We cannot be saved again and again, every time you sin and repent, if you are saved, you are saved and have an Advocate. If you are not, then you need to be saved, in order to have Christ as your Advocate and Mediator.
---lee_1 on 10/11/06

3. and we do what is disallowed, we commit sin. Because we have a mind and a will, we are capable of moral action. Eloy sins when he says, he cannot sin, for he lies with his answer. When we do what we know is wrong, we choose to disobey God's law and sin. The Bible also warns us about the guilt incurred from multiple sins. There is added guilt with each particular transgression. When we don't know how to pray for forgiveness or other things, Christ speaks for us to the Father.
---lee_1 on 10/11/06

Mrs M ... How can a Christian not go to heaven?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/11/06

Bruce5656 , (II.) ....and those that go to heaven will also be in the 90 percent range, if I had to guess. Jesus said only a FEW WILL MAKE IT. The one's that Abide in God's Truth don't need to worry even if they go through the 7-year Great Tribulation Period. Look at the examples from the Old Testament "Noah and Lot". God Bless.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/11/06

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Eloy is wrong and so are you. A born again Christian is righeous, not because of himself but because of Christ. No one can gain righteousness, no one. A Christian doesn't have to continue sinning but does even when he doesn't know he is. In your theory, you can miss the mark for failure to be perfect. Which is not what Scripture teaches. Sin has been defined as "any want of conformity unto, or transgression of any law of God, given as a rule. Sin is a lack or want of conformity.
---lee_1 on 10/11/06

2. Sin of "omission is a failure to do what God commands. If God commands us to love our neighbor and we fail to do so, that is sin. Eloy doesn't love his wife, so it is sin. Second, sin is also defined as a transgression of the law. To transgress the law is to cross its boundaries, to overstep it limits. Eloy everstep the limits when he compared himself more worthy then Christ by saying he suffered more then Christ and Job put together. When God's law is pronounced, "you shall not",
---lee_1 on 10/11/06

Mrs. Morgan,
"Most Christians won't be raptured, Most Christian's won't go to Heaven, "

Surely you mean most professing Christians?
---Bruce5656 on 10/11/06

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