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Suicide And Going To Hell

I was just wondering if thre is any scriptures to back up the belief that all people who commit suicide go to hell? Any input?

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Like I said, everything except the part that talks about the legal aspect of hell.

Perhaps you could share with us where the bible says:
"Suicide only occurs in demonic depression and bondage...fear"
"one legally becomes bequethed to Satan..."
"this only is true of active suicide"
"our salvation is effective only within a narrow operation.... and our relationships"
"Even some Christians... lack of knowledge".
---Bruce5656 on 4/13/08

I a mostly in agreement with what you have written (3 parts below) What I cannot accept is finding satan or demonic activitiy to be responsible for all of mans ills. Thank you for making it clear you do not believe this.

I am inclined to believe that scripture teaches us that we have much more protection from Satan and his kind than people want to accept. If they were to accept the truth of this, it would take the focus off of a tempter and put it where it belongs.
---Bruce5656 on 11/5/06

Personal responsibility.

Responsibility to starve the old man and nuture the new. Responsibility to make right choices and to live as they ought to. Responsibilty to be good stewarts of what God has entrusted to them be it their bodies or financial resources etc.

Instead many would rather blame Satan for their problems.
---Bruce5656 on 11/5/06

#1Bruce, I wasn't implying that all physical sickness is demonic. Sometimes they are. There should be balance in understanding what's demonic and what isn't. Your 'understanding of God exceeds this' But what about your understanding of man, the narrowness of love, & this era? God gave Canaan to Israel but ignorance prevented many of them. Hos 4:6 says "my people perish for lack of knowledge" Even physical sickness is negated by God's word. Aren't there sick Christians?
---Okebaram on 11/5/06

#2God has given everything He promised, starting from Salvation. Yet after salvation we may have to fight to claim some rightful benefits. Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force"-Matt 11:12. After slavery was abolished in USA, some negroes remained slaves ignorant that they could legally be free. Even after finding out, some of them had to fight vigorously to claim what was theirs. God is just, but Satan isn't.
---Okebaram on 11/5/06

In this era of grace, God is held back in certain things by the callings of love and justice. Only the truth you know will set you free-John 8:32. Look at what Jesus had to bear. Salvation isn't as simple as some think.

Carla, I have been a victim of depression but never enough to resort to suicide. However the things I know about this issue, the Lord revealed to me. I believe he revealed it to me to help others even though I may not have experienced some first hand.
---Okebaram on 11/5/06

.bruce, I do not count them.
---Eloy on 11/4/06

Molla, I agree with your comments 100%. Thanks for posting.
---RJ on 11/4/06

Very funny, Bruce. Good one! :oD
---Rivka on 11/4/06

"they profess to be my brother and my sister and my mother"

Just how many people do you have lining up claiming to be your mother?
---Bruce5656 on 11/4/06

All hail King Eloy!!!
---Rivka on 11/4/06

"kay, I know each person by what they say and what they do: Out of the mouth the heart speaks."

Eloy, just because someone disagrees with your views doesn't mean you have the right to say they aren't saved.

"Many say that they're Christian, and they profess to be my brother and my sister and my mother,"

You aren't Jesus, Eloy.
---Kay on 11/4/06

"For those that are truly of God, will love me and accept what I say as the truth,"

Again,you aren't Jesus.We don't have to accept your words as truth. You're only a fallible human who DOES make mistakes.You aren't perfect and you're not all-knowing.

"because I am of God and what I say are the words of the Lord whom sent me."

In others words,we are to abide by your words and accept them on the same level that we accept the Word of God. Sent you to do what?
---Kay on 11/4/06

My thoughts on suicide is this, God gave you life and when He wants you He will come for you. But to take your own life is saying that God made a mistake and He doesn't make mistakes. You are here for a reason for what ever reason that may be. So taking your own life is I believe against God.
---Molla on 11/4/06

Eloy::Your statement is untrue "He that humbles himself shall be exalted" many have told you this, but your pride does not permit you to see it this way,your intensions while being good, do not come across in a spirit or temperance & humility.
---Emcee on 11/4/06

kay, I know each person by what they say and what they do: Out of the mouth the heart speaks. Many say that they're Christian, and they profess to be my brother and my sister and my mother, but their words proove differently. For those that are truly of God, will love me and accept what I say as the truth, because I am of God and what I say are the words of the Lord whom sent me. I can accurately discern a person's salvation by their fruit. All who dis me, but say they are of God, do not speak the truth.
---Eloy on 11/4/06

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Carla ... "I know that their mind has been taken over by an evil spirit, because their lives have not been a compete witness to Bibical belief"
How very judgmental ... have you ever been in their place? Until you have, please don't condemn, because you speak from theory only.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/3/06

Not everyone will be absolutely drug free because ignorance says one can but with the right help a lot of positve results can occur. I have been through some rocky waters, and I have watched others go through the same yet I hold on to Gods unchanging hand sometimes by the finger tips and I have often wondered how. But the difference is I do not pay attention to demonic influences in my life.
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

"Some people who will enter heaven will have been denied some joy here on earth due to demonic bondages. Though Satan couldnt steal their salvation, he stole a little earthly freedom or happiness that Jesus also died fo"

My understanding of God exceeds this. 1 John 4:4, "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."
---Bruce5656 on 11/3/06

1 John 5:18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." etc.

May I ask. Where do you live? I have the idea you live in an African country. Is that correct?
---Bruce5656 on 11/3/06

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I have at 16 suicide terrible decision, was raped,abused,Depression, Rasism I lost my job,neglect, suffered through violence. But for the Grace of My God I am A Overcomer because I choose to believe God. I can't even name the experiences I've been through I choose not to be bought under the power of Any. No demon infuences stay too long. Because I know who My God is and what he has done for me, and where I'm going so when I say demonic influences I have a Testimoney of Deliverance.
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

Until you take the Mask of satan and see who is behind the rape, abuse, violence,hurt,pain, lies of not been able to cope, Lies of sickness, and realise that you have too much to do to help others overcome too, Satan is powerless behind you when you Praise God Because you know who holds your future.
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

Unless you have that type of testimony where you have been there Oke, don't try to convince others because my pain will not go away through ignorance but through communion with one who can identify with the Real issue of demons and know where it comes from and how to deal with them through the word. David asked God to keep his mind in Old age Why?
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

please consider this hypothetical--a girl or boy is born into a family where drugs, screaming, violence and perhaps sexual assault takes place. Their soul is ravaged by worldly insults beyond their ability to fend off--they are a child. Inevitably they will struggle with low self worth and shame, most probably winding up with more adult abuse or with them being the abuser. Finally, they take their own life. They never had a chance did they. They are innocent and will go to heaven.
---Rory on 11/3/06

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I agree with Okebaram Many times after working with Mental Health people and having family members with the same. I know that their mind has been taken over by an evil spirit, because their lives have not been a compete witness to Bibical belief. Now one that has been through temptations and trials with a testimoney of Gods deliverance people you physically and spiritually watch throughout the years die without demonic influences.
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

Demonic influences because that is what it is. when demonic spirits convince's a person through negative thoughts and if you are not in Church where you can be nurtured by the word of God and reading daily, Satan uses these thoughts to plant ill feelings and bad thought in the mind and eventually you believe a lie instead of the truth in your situation. That is when he has the opportunity to take over.
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

Thank you. I think it is important to include scriptural references when claims are made about scripture.

Two things.
1. Her problem was physical not mental. This discussion is about mental illness.
2. What should we conclude that because that particular woman need to be set free from demonic influence, every physical (or mental) illness is demonic?
---Bruce5656 on 11/3/06

Remember John 9:1-3, "And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."?
---Bruce5656 on 11/3/06

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I know of people that when you ask them they claim to be Christian's yet they nurture their illnesses, depression and sickness and all you here is I am clinically depressed, I am so ill my doctor says this.. I need this particular tablet for this or for that. Most of whom if they believed that God can heal them from their depression and worked with their Physician to help them to become independant of some of their drugs using alternative methods many would be free of these demonic influences long ago.
---Carla5754 on 11/3/06

Okebaram, I see that you're standing at the great white throne of! I've already been there a few times. I'm amazed at how he has the ability to know the intentions of our hearts. And how can he judge our "fruits" over the internet?

Eloy, how can you know our fruits if you don't even really know us?
---Kay on 11/3/06

"Eloy always becomes nice when someone supports him. But when one opposes him, he calls that person unsaved."

Yeap. He told me that I wasn't saved because I didn't agree with him. He claims to be 100% correct 100% of the time. Right, Eloy?
---Kay on 11/3/06

Oh no, Eloy, you don't. You've accused me of not being saved. Yet, my salvation is a sure as that there is a sun or that there is a moon.

Bruce: Luke 13:16
---Okebaram on 11/2/06

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What woman are you refering to specificaly?
---Bruce5656 on 11/2/06

Okebaram, I know whom is saved and whom is not saved by the fruits that they produce. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 11/2/06

Eloy always becomes nice when someone supports him. But when one opposes him, he calls that person unsaved.

Alan that a thing is demonic doesn't equate it's the victim's sin. Jesus healed a woman who'd been made sick by a demon for 18 yrs. His implication was that she was righteous. Some people who will enter heaven will have been denied some joy here on earth due to demonic bondages. Though Satan couldnt steal their salvation, he stole a little earthly freedom or happiness that Jesus also died for
---Okebaram on 11/1/06

Eloy ... I was not unsccussful, for I never tried to commit suicide. But I was close enough to it to know that the whole of my family would be better if I failed to cross the road safely.
Thank you for you comments!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/1/06

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Alan, I am glad that you were not successful, for you are a blessing to many, and the kingdom is benefitting.
---Eloy on 11/1/06

Alan and Rebecca, Murder is accepted to be wrong, but many murder while they are without control and insane, or imbalanced. God's way is mercy, as you have said well Alan, to cast out the murderous and hateful spirits possessing people, and to heal them, rather than condemning them who murder. And it is possible for a suicide person to be asking God for forgivenes with their last dying breaths after they fatally injured themselves. Thus God is the judge of these cases, and not man.
---Eloy on 10/30/06

Alan, I was speaking of the belief that all people go to hell whom commit suicide, not being Biblical. The Bible advocates life rather than death, and thus emphasizes living and encourages all to live righteous and be blessed. God does not desire anyone to kill themself, but he knows about grief and depression, and he wants us all to reach out and help the hurting and not ignore them, and let them die. Too many hide their pain inside, to where it becomes unmanageable, and to the point of self-destruction.
---Eloy on 10/30/06

Rebecca ... we can't agree on this, because whilst I know that depression (which can lead to suicide) is an illness, you know that it is demonic, and therefore to be depressed is sinful.
We are both stubborn about our views on the narture of depression, and so will never agree.
But surely Eloy is 100% right ... it is not for us to judge, thank goodness. God as Eloy says, is merciful.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/30/06

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Eloy, I agree with yuor conclusion about this ... it is for God to say, and not for us to condemn.
But when you said "There's no verse in the Bible for that belief", which belief were you talking about? Was it Oke's "Mental, psychological diseases and depression are almost all, if not all spiritual bondages" for which I can find no scriptural support?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/30/06

If a person commits murder, they have an opportunity to ask God to forgive them, if given a chance. But if a person commits suicide, which is murder, they can't ask God to forgive them because they would be dead. The word says that the Holy Spirit has to convict a person of their sins and the Holy Spirit has to draw this person to God. They can't come any ole time they want. So a person in this situation is playing spiritual russian rulet.
---Rebecca_D on 10/30/06

Oke ... I have listened to Richard Dawkins, the renowned atheist. Whilst I disagree with all he says and believes in, he is prepared to give evidence in support of his beliefs (or lack of them) and acknowledges where he has no evidence, and his debating methods in general earn my respect.
But he does lose my respect when he manipulates and misrepresents the views of those who oppose him.
---a on 10/30/06

There's no verse in the Bible for that belief. The Bible reads if you die with sin you will go to hell, and if you die without sin you will go to heaven. So it depends on each individual suicide whether or not they died forgiven, and the mentally imbalanced are not rational nor are they able to be normal in their thinking enough to choose to live. We should not underestimate God's pity and love for those who ended their life, for whatever reason. God will say what happens to the suicides, not man.
---Eloy on 10/30/06

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No one disputes that Jesus cast out demons from people.


Just because Jesus cast out demons from people and made them better does not equal all people who are mentaly sick are demon possessed.
---Bruce5656 on 10/29/06

#2Apart from the violently insane instances, when the bible says they brought one with a demon to Jesus as it does in some places without explaining what the ailment was, we can say that such people mostly had some form of mental illness or retardation, such as autism. As for dreams, there are numerous instances in the bible were they were spiritually originated. As for depression, I don't know of any place in the bible that deals with that topic...cont'd
---Okebaram on 10/29/06

#3...But I know that the physiological interacts with, and therefore may influence, the psychological, but it does not control the psychological. The psychological controls as well as interacts with the physiological. The psychological (your thought, reasoning, will, etc) does not operate in the realms of physics. The soul is forms its connection to the physical body, but common scientists don't know this. That's why they stil dream about artificial intelligence.
---Okebaram on 10/29/06

Alan, what makes you think that I am soliciting you or Bruce's respect? Anyway, how can I lose what I didn't receive in the first place? You ask for spiritual proof, but I already pointed out that Jesus casted out demons from the insane. Everyone in His days in Israel actually knew that insanity was caused by demons. But today, we think they were superstitious. But if they were, was Jesus also? You already know the stories of how Jesus demonstrated this so you don't need any references.
---Okebaram on 10/29/06

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Oke "Mental, psychological diseases and depression are almost all, if not all spiritual bondages"
I have previously asked you to give scriptural authority for that statement.
Will you have the courage to try to do so?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/28/06

Rebecca, thank you!

Others, there should be balance. balming too many things on the devil is as harmful as blaming too few things on the devil. Not everything negative is demonic, but many things that some peole at the other end of the extreme see as physical are actually spiritual. Mental, psychological diseases and depression are almost all, if not all spiritual bondages. Like Rebecca said, a Christian may be a victim of demonic oppression due to ignorance.
---Okebaram on 10/27/06

If you go down a couple posts, here on CN, they have a whole article on depression and what causes it. So far as I read I haven't seen anything about satan.
---sue on 10/27/06

Depression isn't bondage to Satan? It is like the flu? The flu a person can get over within a week, depression takes longer. and with the help from God. Jesus said that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers, against the rulers of this world. Satan is the ruler of this world. Lisa read Mt 12:43-45, just because a person is saved that doesn't mean demons can't come in. There are Christians that don't know how to be set free from their past and are still in bondage. I was like that.
---Rebecca_D on 10/27/06

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There are many, many spirits out there that are influencing people. There is a lying spirit, gossiping, pride, etc. and they are all from Satan. The only power Satan has is what we give him, and there are alot of people giving him power, even if they are Christians. Whatever we say, do Satan uses that for his advantage. I do agree that we give too much credit to Satan, but he is the cause of the depression and the oppression. regardless of the situation past or present.
---Rebecca_D on 10/27/06

"The believe that anyone that does something wrong, has a demon, is giving Satan more credit then he deserves."

I agree with you 100%. I have a family member who teaches that everything "bad" or negative is straight from Satan. If you have a cold, its from Satan. If you lost your job, its from Satan. If your computer crashes, its from Satan. Its really annoying.
---Kay on 10/27/06

I am with you Kay and Bruce and Alan on your answers. I think that Satan and his demons get a lot of credit, more then they deserve. I believe it comes from teachings in some denominations. Depending on what denomination you come from, the teachings are a little different.
---lisa on 10/27/06

"If you are a Christian and commit suicide you are not going to Hell, and no demon can take residence in a believer"

I agree that demons cannot take residence within a believer. We can't be possessed by demons but we can be OPPRESSED by demons. "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil,as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."-2 Peter 5:8
---Kay on 10/27/06

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OKE ... you are just like another memebr here. You repeat your own belief, soying you are right and others false. But you never answer the questions put to you.
Why will you not give the scriptural references for your statements that both Bruce and I have asked for?
I'm sorry, but if you refuse to do this, you ose our respect.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/27/06

If you are a Christian and commit suicide you are not going to Hell, and no demon can take residence in a believer. If the person is lost and commits suicide he is going to hell, not because he commited suicide but because of none believe. No demon can come into the temple of the Holy Spirit. Many Christian people are just sick. Why does anyone have to send them to hell? The people Jesus healed from demons were not saved.
---lisa on 10/27/06

2. The believe that anyone that does something wrong, has a demon, is giving Satan more credit then he deserves. Just about everything wrong a Christian does, is attributed to demons. If a demon has possessed a person, it is because that person is not a child of God. There is demons that have people in bondage for years, but if you are a Christian, you have been set free by Christ.
---lisa on 10/27/06

Okebarem and John T -- the usual recommendation of mental health professionals for depression is a combination of psychotherapy and medication. I DO object to the statement that depression is NOT physiological (biochemical). Drugs have proved effective in MANY (but not all) cases... not just SSRIs and other ADs ...I've seen improvement in psychotic hallucinations in response to meds.

OTOH medicine is pretty much in the dark about CAUSES.
Demons could be a CAUSE of biochemical imbalance.
---Donna2277 on 10/27/06

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I don't believe that all depression and mental illness is due to demonic activity. I do believe that demons are capable of causing depression or mental illness.
---Kay on 10/26/06

John, I agree with your posting. Many modalities are needed for the treatment of depression, spiritual as well as medical.

But for someone to say that depression is demonic oppression shows a lot of ignorance.
---NurseRobert on 10/26/06

Bruce, This is not just my opinion; it is the way it is. And Jesus thought so too when He casted out demons from the mentally sick. So do many men and women of God today who cast out demons from people with this bondage. Education has given us some bad side-effects. It's alright if you don't believe me...I knew this will be very disagreeable for some.
---Okebaram on 10/26/06

Donna, those things you mentioned help some people but aren't that effective. That doesn't mean it was not originally initialted by demons who worked against the person's mind. The worse situation is when those demons are STILL oppressing that person. Then medication won't work. I went through depression and a lotof things myself. It took the Lord speaking to me directly to reveal this for me to be free. Argue if you want.
---Okebaram on 10/26/06

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Bruce all the things you listed as being false are true and biblical. It's either you don't understand what I was trying to say or you are presenting your own inaccaurate theology. I presume the second is the case.
---Okebaram on 10/26/06

Nurse, Donna, Alan, I think JohnT looks at both what I said and others said and depicts depression in true ligth. There is a spiritual aspect in many things that we tend to overlook because of our knowledge of modern day science, which in itself is a good thing. But let's get back to the main topic.
---Okebaram on 10/26/06

Once again, you offer your opinion. There is no way to back up what you are saying in scripture so it is impossible to state categorical what you say about all mental illness being demonic in origin.

Certainly, every one here is entitled to offer their opinion. You should make it clear that it is what you believe to be true rather than state so categorical that that is the way it is
---Bruce5656 on 10/26/06

Nurse, its true that SSRIs and SSNRIs are wonderful medications, but arent the end-all for depression.

Sometimes people sin against us in childhood, causing us to replay abusive "tapes in our heads" and believe them as we get older.

For that psychotherapy is also helpful. Sometimes the medical-psychological model IS INSUFFICIENT.

The spiritual axis also needs consideration, and is often overlooked. Thus to rely on one model may shortcut the entire healing process.
---JohnT on 10/26/06

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Okebaram, >>What we call depression isnt a physiological sickness, it is caused by demonic oppression.<<

You need to come out of the middle ages. Depression is not "demonic opression".

What kind of church do you attend?
---NurseRobert on 10/26/06

OKE ... where does the Bible tell you all that?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/26/06

Oke ... How do you know all this?
What is your authority?
Have you been there?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/26/06

Bruce5656, remember the swine? Matt. 8:28-34. There were two individuals possessed with demons. The demons said to Jesus, "If thou cast us out, permit us to go away into the herd of swine."
After the demons entered into the swine, the swine "ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters."-(verse 32)
The Bible also says that Satan entered into Judas. What did Judas do with his life?
Satan was "a murderer from the beginning."-John 8:44
---Kay on 10/26/06

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Funny how often demons flee in the presence of antidepressants. There is also an electronic implant like a pacemaker now being implanted in the brains of chronically depressed people. Demons (or at least depression) leave within minutes.
---Donna2277 on 10/25/06

Alan, what Im about to say is another discussion for some other time. What we call depression isnt a physiological sickness, it is caused by demonic oppression. Psychology diagnoses many things that are spiritual otherwise. Other wrongly diagnosed 'conditions' are mental disorders, insanity, hallucinations and dreams. However, that depression is caused by demons doesn't mean that there aren't Christians who suffer from depression and demonic oppression (which it opens up one to) due to ignorance.
---Okebaram on 10/25/06

Here is scripture that might support the believe that suicides do not necessarily go to hell. Romans 8:38"For I am persuaded, that neither-- DEATH---, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come."
---mima on 10/25/06

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