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Christians Take Back The Culture

To save it, should Christians reclaim America as some Christian leaders say? Should we tear down the strongholds of the heathen, and take back the culture?

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Is God alive? You better believe He is. Does God own everything? You better believe He does. Does God have the right over Satan to be worshipped? You know He does. Yes, w e n e e d G o d! Please, please, lets beg God to return to America.
---catherine on 8/1/08

I don'think that any nation is saved or lost by any particular group of people. Salvation is a gift from God to anyone (individual) who believes and lives a life dedicated to doing the Lord's will, NOT to a nation/state!
Is it desirable that more people in any country be made aware of salvation and accept the gift by faith? Yes indeed! P.
---Pierr5358 on 8/1/08

Writing the same thing over and over for years on end, expecting different results, is a waste of time, too.
---Anonymous on 11/6/06

An. The question was posted and people answer to those questions. If you wish to remain the same and not grow in God's word it you your previlige. If you wanted to know more about God you would be asking and learning. If you wanted to prove something wrong, you would explain it so others can answer and learn from you. Just talking is not Scriptural and complaining is not Scriptural, accually, complaining is wasteful time, and wasteful use of time is a sin.
---lee_1 on 11/6/06

This was not intended to be the battlefield for JW's, SDA's, OSAS's, and Calvinists. You can dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee on all those other blogs. In fact, you can be nuttier than fruitcakes if you want to be. But after reading what you've put down and the attitude that comes through, I really wouldn't want any of it.
---Anonymous on 11/5/06

Kathr, you said, that "Calvinist do not believe in been crucified with Christ" since you are not a Calvinist, how do you know what they believe? Do you have Scripture to that effect? And since you do speak over an over against Calvinism, by what authority do you make your statements from? I see that on the SDA's explanation from Scripture are given, but you have not proved anything so far from Scripture only that it is your point.
---lee_1 on 11/5/06

2. Of course you have Scripture to support what you say, because accusing others of something, you have to have God's Word in order to disprove or approve of anything. Without it, its only what you feel in your heart and not from Scripture. If its just your opinion, that can be accepted but accusing others needs biblical truths in order to be correct.
---lee_1 on 11/5/06

Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
---James on 11/4/06

Kath -- No matter how you parse the words "regeneration," "saved," "in Christ", I have yet to find anything unbiblical about Calvinism. I find nothing "cultic" about it. (Don't know about "hyper-Calvinism" seems rather rare.) I don't see that Christians need be identical in theology...or interpret all scriptures in exactly the same way...The Gospel isn't complicated. No Theology entrance exam required for Heaven. I have nothing else to say....
---Donna2277 on 11/1/06

Donna, that's a job most here have taken on.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Kath -- I'm not here to point out false doctrines. That's the job you've taken on. I come to these blogs mostly to learn.."fairness" has nothing to do with it. I come here because I can hear plenty of preaching elsewhere. My mistake was in not leaving the "What is Calvinism" blog when I first realized it wasn't going to help me better understand Calvinism .
---Donna2277 on 10/31/06

Donna2277: Calvinists do not believe in being Crucified with Christ. That is my whole point. Only then are we raised up, By the Holy Spirit,and Baptized in Christ. How then can they have the fruit of the Spirit. It would have to be counterfit. It's the very fruit of Christ in us. However Satan can counterfit just about everything.
Calvin did not see himself "IN CHRIST". He thought on judgement day he would have to stand before a tribunal. We stand in Christ, Now and eternity.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Donna: With my last post, now please remember you posted that it was late in life you came into the knowledge of the cricified life. I think that is awesome. Paul said, that I may KNOW Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His suffering... The Power of His resurrection, is the Power of Christ in us. This is what Satan hates. This is what Calvinism draws you away from. When I said it draws you away from the cross, this is what I mean. Next
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Donna: #3 or 4?
Paul said in Galatians, Having begin in the Spirit, Having Christ formed In you. We are in Christ and He is in us. John 17 says, that we all may be ONE. When you read the others posts on salvation, you do not hear them talk of these things. This is the Gospel of scripture. Romans 6 Colossians 2 and all through scripture. I have no hate for calvinists, but the doctrine is not scriptural. I pray you will one day see the difference. I know you can't now. Mostly because you are angry.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Donna #5
Colossians 3:1-4 says seek those things which are above, you are dead and your life is hidden with God in Christ Jesus (One).Now Reformed gets your mind of of our home in heaven and places it on the issues of earthly politics etc.Just another deception to keep you from growing IN CHRIST.But your hearts desire is your's alone. Where your heart is and who it belong to only you know.But the facts of who we are and the evidence of whos we are is in scripture. By these we KNOW we have eternal life.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Kath--Where's the contradiction? I've been checking out Calvinism for some time. Not sure I can fully accept all 5 points of Calvinism, but I agree with much that they believe. I've come to see that Calvinists are seldom as extreme as you portray them. And based strictly on fruit of the Spirit I've observed for myself, The Calvinistists come out ahead. Calvin was just a man, dead for generations. He doesn't matter to me. Jesus does.
---Donna2277 on 10/30/06

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Donna2277 said: *Kathr - I don't read ALL the blogs. And I'm not obligated to "call down" anyone.*

OK Donna, then don't call down anyone.
You said to Sheila, "yes we need to investigate". I have, you haven't as you said "you don't know what the 5 points are".
So I believe you are out of place to call me down, unless you also call down all other false doctrine. If you don't know what they are, what is stopping you there? I can only see your attack a personal one.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/06

Kathr -- I don't read ALL the blogs. And I'm not obligated to "call down" anyone.
---Donna2277 on 10/30/06

Shiela -- I agree. We should investigate our churches, what we believe...and you are invited to my house for Sunday dinner! (Calvinists welcomed too).
---Donna2277 on 10/30/06

Your comment is kinda funny. First you ask what calvinism is on another post, and then you say you want to be one. Since Calvin burned over 150 people for not agreeing with him, and for what he called sin, then I find your comment a contradiction of your own thoughts.
According to John T's rules, "dead men are open game". Calvin is dead.
Before you pass judgement, please read all concerning calvinism. Then if you still want to join them do.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/06

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Kath-- A sampling of your posts:
"Maybe the SB may eventually start wearing the secret underwear too"..."if those who are not so brainwashed would..."
"You may continue to worship your heretic, which is called idolatry. They also shall be served up a delicious meal for the fowls of the air spoken of at the end of Revelations... "Do you too, think Calvin died for your sins?"

No Calvinist spoke this way to you.
Yup. Calvinism looks better to me.

---Donna2277 on 10/30/06

I did not say I hated any Calvinist, either. Calvin is long gone. We should investigate our church, our beliefs. Falling somewhere in the middle, go to Church every Sunday, come home, eat the roast dinner, and take a nap.....someday, we're all going to take a dirt nap.
---Shiela on 10/30/06

Donna2277: I guess that was meant for me. I do not Hate Calvinists, I hate Calvinism. There is a difference. All false religions are anti-christ and we should hate anything that is anti-christ teaching or causing those to go astray, re: apostasy.
The two witnesses will also be hated for speaking truth! Yet, they speak truth for a reason,... possibly the last call! Yet they murder these two and have a big party celebrating! Hum!
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

Donna2277: Of coarse to be fair, you need to call down all those who confront the ones worshiping Mary. Some harsh words going on there too!
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

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Paul Wrote:

Philippians 3:17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, ***who mind earthly things***.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/06

I've never heard a Calvinist
Quite calm, I may not see one
But those who hate them are so harsh
I almost want to be one.
---Donna2277 on 10/29/06


Onward Christian Soldiers sail,
Across the sea and show your tail,
March or' the land and place your mark,
With Israel's lost or stolen Ark.

They are Reformed Theology,
And they give with no apology,
Marching or' the land you see,
To purge your homes of MTV.

Oh, can't you see the irony,
This Gospel's rather bland you see,
No message here to save poor me,
It only wants my MTV.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06

Guess if heard Dr. Kennedy, I'd know what "culture" we are to "take back". The founders, both deist and Christian, established a GOVERNMENT not a culture. The Pilgrims escaped a "state church" yet turned out to be were every bit a heavy handed as those they left. Moreover,in history, they were short-lived.
Christian morals? fine. Christian culture? What's that? Christians thrive and minister in many cultures around the world.

---Donna2277 on 10/27/06

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P.S. I know it's an election year, but do we have to include Bush in EVERY discussion?
---Donna2277 on 10/27/06

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
---MikeM on 10/27/06

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
---MikeM on 10/27/06

The Biblical history is so defective, doubtful it a seems vain to attempt enquiring into it such tricks have been played with their text, we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man other parts are the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.-Jefferson, to Adams, January 24, 1814
---MikeM on 10/27/06

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phil ther elder; I think it is best to let the founding Fathers speak on their views of religion, and religion in goverment. it speakes louder than what we can say; dont you think? I let Jefferson speak, and will let all the others speak as well.
---MikeM on 10/27/06

WOW! MikeM agrees with me, his statement is very true,; Wonders never cease! Now if I could only get him to admit the truth in I Corinthians 7:14.
---Ryan on 10/27/06

Mrs._Morgan, A little leaven leavens the whole lump. This is wy we are instructed to have only one Rabbi/teacher. To say that someone has a good heart and good intentions is not enough they must feed the flock with the word not their own crusades. D. James Kennedey's little bit of leaven ruins his entire testimony.
---Ryan on 10/27/06

Phil the Elder. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own creation called "The Jefferson Bible".
That is a fact!
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06

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Philip the Elder, "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth" was the sub-title of the Book called, The Jefferson Bible.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06

References to the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus are notably absent from the Jefferson Bible. The Bible begins with an account of Jesus's birth without references to angels,genealogy,or prophecy. The work ends with the words:"Now, in the place where he was crucified,there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus. And rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed." There is no mention of the resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06

kathr4453, first of all Jefferson did not write a Bible we wrote a book based on the Bible called The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, I was simply a book about the life of Christ as many authors have done. This simply reaffirms that Jefferson was a religious individual and certainly does not detract from his supportive feeling on Church and State issues
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/27/06

Phil the Elder, another FACT about Thomas Jefferson is that he wrote his own bible called the Jefferson Bible. It took OUT everything about the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus Christ, redemption, the Blood etc. It's just a book of morals. What does that tell you.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/06

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Wonders never cease! I agree with Ryan and completly with Miss Kathy. When I hear some say how Christians founded the colonies, I wonder how they would fare under Calvinist rule. Baptist & Catholics were hanged. Freedom was not a concept. James Kennedy is inspired by theonomy leaders Gary North and Rooshdooney, who openly decalared whey wanted an autocratic theocracy, calling democracy, 'heretical.' No thanks!
---MikeM on 10/27/06

Philelder; Jefferson was a deist. He called Jesus a 'great philosopher.' He called clergy an 'indolent class.' Most the founding fathers were freemasons.

Separation between church and state is the only way to avoid the evils of religion in goverment seen in Europe for 1500 years, "The vile combination of church and state'-Jefferson. Note the establishment clause, which is very clear. Yes, people do not know their history.
---MikeM on 10/27/06

Ryan, I can't endorse ALL of Dr.Kennedy's teachings, because I don't know ALL of his teachings,but I wouldn't say that he is among the "worst of the worst" preacher's out there. Some preacher's I can't stand to watch even for a minute. Would I endorse him 100%? I am very careful who I endorse 100 Percent!I know that I am responsible in God's eye's in regard to who I endorse. So I would say I wouldn't endorse him 100 percent , because I don't know the FULL CONTEXT of his teachings.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/26/06

Perhaps D. James Kennedy could be America's first Ayatollah and the Coral Ridge Ministry could set all of the standards for America!
---NurseRobert on 10/26/06

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#1 D. James Kennedy is a snake oil salseman. Christians were not assigned to recalim cultures or battle secular governments. If you want to make a difference for Christ than BE a Christian. All of Kennedy's lipservice is malarkey. He is a self-aggrandized man who has too high of an opinion of himself.
---Ryan on 10/26/06

#2 I am not lamenting over social ills or cultural problems, BE a fruitful Christian that obeye's the voice of the Good Shepherd don't entangle yourself with fruitless battles. Why do Christians think they have to battle the culture through every secular means necessary when Christ has given us all the tools we need, love and prayer. I'll do things Christ's ways not D. James Kennedy's.
---Ryan on 10/26/06

This false teaching came over with the Puritans who were Calvinists from England. They believed in Theocracies. Calvin in Geneva created a Theocracy and it was an utter disaster. Only Israel was a Theocracy. No promise in OT was ever prophesied that the Promises to Israel were given to a Gentile nation. This IS Gentile arrogance. Calvin was arrogant too,killing those who disagreed with him. To let this kind of teaching take over America would be nothing more than to let Hitler rise again.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06

MikeM, I think you have a lot of facts wrong about Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson attended the largest church service in Washington, DC when he was President, it was held in the US Capitol Building in the House Chambers and the Marine Band Played for the Service. The alleged wall of separation between church and state has been blown much out of proportions by idiots who really don't know their history.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/26/06

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C. Donald Cole once said
"If you know a ship is burning and you know it's going to sink, do you spend your time trying to put out the fire, or do you spend your time getting as many off the ship as possible".
Trying to save this present evil age is what is called the religion of the Canaanites. Why offer God the wheat of the earth when it has already been cursed.
Jesus came to redeem souls out from this world, to share His Glory forever in the New Heaven and Earth.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06

Jesus didn't come to save Nations, He came to save individuals, "one soul at a time"!

Any other Gospel is accursed....and anti-christ!! America is not the New Promised Land, and Americans are NOT God's New Chosen people. Anyone who preaches or teaches this is anti-christ!!!!! This teaching was revitalized in a book called the Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall. It's straight from the devil himself.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/06

I agree that Christians could do more to impact American Culture.

I also appreciate The Pastor from Coral Ridge ministries and his ministry in this regard.

If we, for example vote to place those in office who will implement the Principles of the Lord, the society would be a much better, stronger society for all people.

I appreciate the comments of the Elder.

Blessings all!

---Cosette on 10/26/06

J James Kennedy is dangerous. america was founded by freemasons and deist who exposed freedom of religion, not a theocrcy. When ever was America a Theocracy? Colonial times? How did that work? Religion and goverment mix like car keys and booze. Religion and state mixing corrupts both, as Thomas Jefferson puts it. 1800 years of political Christianity pounds this basic fact. Look at Europs/Englands history. We dont need a Christian taliban.
---MikeM on 10/26/06

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I believe the answer to your question can be found in the following verse, John 17:9" I pray for them: I PRAY NOT FOR THE WORLD, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." This verse is the word of Jesus and I believe we can trust him.So let us forget the world and concentrate on delivering a soul saving message to individuals.
---mima on 10/26/06

Ryan, D. James Kennedy does have the right idea and Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church (PCA) is engaged in taking back the culture. If more Christians would get off their buts and become proactive and putting faith into action as opposed to just lamenting about cultural problems in our society. So if you don't want to be a part of the solution; please got out of the way of the people that will make change happen.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/26/06

**America is not, nor has it ever been, a 'Christian Nation,' **

The Treaty of Tripoli, which according to the Constitution has the force of law, passed unanimously by the US Senate in 1796 specifically says that the USA is not founded on the Christian faith.
---Jack on 10/26/06

I won't oppose it, but I realize that God orders nations and the people who lead them. The Devil has his people, and their ideal comes with indifference and disdain for Jesus. We have to grow right along with them till the harvest.
---Pharisee on 10/25/06

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alan8869_of_UK, Yes sin has been around for a very long time, too long, I was saying that soon Jesus will be reigning on earth , laying down the law, It will be wonderful! I look forward to it! During the 1,000 year reign of Christ things will be in order again, Peaceful, people will even break forth into singing(Isaiah 14:7) no more filthiness, no more open rebelling against God's Word. I think about this EVERYDAY, Amen!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/25/06

Ryan, I believe that brother Kennedy has a good heart, I hear him preach about social ill's alot, that's his style, I don't prefer too much preaching on social ill's and/or politics but, I believe his heart is good, and souls are being won through his ministries. Most minister's are far from perfect, even far from being "barely satisfactory" in regard to their teachings, he is better than most!
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/25/06

Mrs M ... Sin is not new in the world.
All the sins you mention have been around since time immemorial.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/25/06

Any one who believes that way is very deceived. We cant change what God is going to do. The days are evil continually. And Bush is no born again christian, His fruit is rotten.
---Lynn on 10/25/06

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#1 This is the call of D. James Kennedy and Corral Ridge Ministries, and I totally disagree with them. It is not the place of Christians to judge or condemn those outside the Church.
---Ryan on 10/25/06

#2 We are told not to be entangled with the day-to-day garbage. And here is one that always hits people right between the eyes; America is not, nor has it ever been, a 'Christian Nation,' this is an absolutely bogus claim perpetuated by D. James and his ilk to gain support for their battles, it is not intended to give glory where glory is due, to the Lord Christ Jesus.
---Ryan on 10/25/06

#2 If you want to BE an effective Christian than BE salt & light, do not fight with the secular world because it will tarnish & destroy your testimony.
---Ryan on 10/25/06

Correction : Only until Jesus comes and set's up His Kingdom, ruling with a rod of Iron(in regard to the unsaved) will the whole world be [at] REST.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/25/06

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God will cleanse this earth soon, through His Judgments. Even if we tear down all the bars, all the dirty book stores, all the liquor stores, etc,problems will still remain! Prayer being taken out of schools, some politicians railing "take God out" of In God we Trust. God's people should stand up for what is right, but don't expect too much! Only until Jesus comes and set's up His Kingdom, ruling with a rod of Iron(in regard to the unsaved) will the whole world be as REST.
---Mrs._Morgan on 10/25/06

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