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What Is Limited Atonement

Does this verse in 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." do away with the doctrine of "limited atonement" has taught by the five-point Calvinist?

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Look up atonement,PROPITIATION,redemtion,
reconciliation etc... and you will find it is limited and the efficacy of

Christ said "it is finished" it's a matter of calling all the sheep into the fold

the world there can be found in Rev5:9bfor thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation,

other places in God's word confirms the above
---steven-rem7000 on 10/4/07

#2. your heart and if you open, which they mean, you can say yes or no, He will come in you" is a false statement. The passage does not say that at all. On verse 14, Christ is speaking to the Laodiceans. Christ is angry because they are not what they use to be. In the beginning, the church was on fire for Christ, but in time it had changed to where it was bigger and wealthy and in need of nothing, even Christ. Christ tells them to be zealous and repent.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/07

#3. The context demands that Christ was seeking to enter this church that bore His name but lacked a single true believer. This poignant letter was His knocking. If one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy and responded in saving faith, he would enter the church. "If anyone hears My voice" He was talking to that church. The application of this passage to a lost person is not correct since the lost don't hear, don't see, don't understand. Only the one's that heard would have responded.
---Mark_V. on 10/4/07

Linda, I am sorry but I disagree with your interpretation of Revelations 3:20. "I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" First of all "if you hear My voice" means that if one person could hear, and only the save hear His voice. Second that passage is sued many times by evangelist applying this text as an appeal to the unconverted, saying, "Jesus is knocking at the door to
---Mark_V. on 10/4/07

Before you all attack, I want you to know I am not a Calvinist.

Calvin taught that all the saints would persevere. Solomon did not persevere, he loved many strange women who lead him into idolatry. Yet the scriptures say God loved Solomon.
The Calvanists believe that every all the elect will hear the gospel and will accept the gospel.
Yet, Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith (faithfulness) of God without effect?
Ro 3:4 God forbid:...
---trey on 9/30/07

Having said all that, 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Are the scriptures speaking of the whole Adamic family? No. The whole world spoken of here engulfs the whole world of God's elect family (all the chosen, called, Father Abraham's sons and daughters, "spiritual Israel", all those born of the Spirit of God, etc.)

I know most of you will not agree, but Lord bless each of you.

---trey on 9/30/07

Rev.3:20."Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me." The door is the heart. Jesus knocks on the heart of a H.S. prepared person. But, that person has to hear the Voice &, by his own free will, open the door for Him to come in.(Jn.14:23) Hearing the Voice means the sinner is convicted of their sin, confesses it, repents & opens their heart's door to receive Jesus in belief & by faith.
---Linda on 9/30/07

Thank you Laure, it was nice answering you. I do love the Lord and do enjoy speaking about Him no matter what the subject is about. Many here on line are pastors, and I love to see them write because even the way they state things, they do that well too. I only put God's word out there, and let God take care of the rest. You have been very kind in answering, Blessings to you Laure.
---lisa on 11/9/06

I agree with what you say, Lisa, except I still hold to free will. True, if not all sides are available to Man, how can it be free - but not only God Himself has to speak to us for us to hear Him - as Paul says, we have no excuse, because nature itself cries out 'There is a God' (Rom 1:20)! So, actually, the evidence is there, even when God is not convicting of sin, and people choose not to look at it.
---laure5759 on 11/9/06

3. and make a confession of faith for he nows see's he has sinned against God. Without that conviction he will never repent. I tried to explain the word free will in another blog and I got all kinds of remarks from my answeres but, Free, means no influence or cocoerion from anything, but lost men have a great influence from the world and not one thing for God, so he is always making choices but they are influence by his sin nature. It is not free.
---lisa on 11/9/06

4. Just think about this, men stands making a decision, he sees only the world on one side of the weight scale and nothing on the other. Of course he moves for what he can choose. Now God comes alone and sets the weight even, now man can see Christ, feel Christ, and is convince there is a God who wants to save him, because he see's his sin, realizes that Christ has everything to offer, eternal life included, with his conviction of his sin and God giving him the faith to believe in Him, he chooses Christ.
---lisa on 11/9/06

5. a lost person has no faith in Christ. If the lost person had faith already, he would not be lost at all. This is what I get from all Scripture. 2 Timothy 2:25,26 God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." and "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in Him but also suffer for His sake."
---lisa on 11/9/06

Laure, there is nothing wrong in all of us to disagree on this issue. I do not see it as anything that would divide the body of Christ. We are already saved so it has nothing to do with ourselves. It does weight very heavy in who does get the glory for our salvation. When we pray for someone, as our son or daughter, we know who gets glory for saving them, it is God, that is why we asked Him to save them, knowing full well He is the only one that can persuade or influence them and change them.
---lisa on 11/9/06

Good morning sister Laure, This is what I understand from Scripture. Adam and Eve were created perfect. They did have free will. They had no fallen nature. Their choice to sin was not because of anything bad in themselves. They were without a sin nature. Since the fall, men has had a sin nature and do make a lot of choices but they are not for God. He has emnity against God. Is separated and loves what he does for every choice is for himself and others but God is not included in any of his choices
---lisa on 11/9/06

2. because he knows not God. He is blind, dead spirituall, cannot hear, or understand the things of God. In life his choices are many but without faith in Christ, it is sin. In order for a person to be saved, he has to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. The word has to come to him in order for God to convict him of his rebellion against God's laws. While lost he feels he is not rebelling against anyone. God, through the power of the Holy Spirit convicts that person of his sin and he is able to repent and
---lisa on 11/9/06

Lisa - will you deny that God gave us a gift when He created us, and that that gift was free choice? That He decided that we would be allowed to choose for ourselves? If you believe that God's purposes will not be accomplished if we utilise this gift of free choice, then are you putting God in a box and saying that He is not big enough to handle us? His purposes WILL be accomplished.
---laure5759 on 11/8/06

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1. Some believed, Lisa, read verse 34. We have a church here that is named Mars Hill. They chose name because, same as Paul, they wanted & do understand the culture today that they are speaking to giving forth the Gospel for them to be saved. I appreciate your dedication to what you believe. However, I think one can get so "heady" about their knowledge that the Truth gets lost in all the verbiage. I believe in God's Sovereigty. I think most all who have replied believe in God's Sovereignty.
---Linda on 11/8/06

2. In this Ch's vs's Paul was preaching the Gospel to bring the people out of darkness of worshipping the "Unknown God" into the Light; being able then to worship the ONE TRUE GOD if they chose to do so. All the deeds of faith that were born of and accomplished in the power of God resting & abiding on and in those who received Him was to bring the message of the need of Jesus Christ for salvation, and were of His Sovereignty. Man's choice is to accept or reject His Sovereignty over their lives.
---Linda on 11/8/06

5. The question of seeking is found in, Romans 3: 10-13, There is no one righteous, no, not one. There is none who understands; there is "none who seeks after God" They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one" The lost do not seek God. Here is why, "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your fathers desires.".
---lisa on 11/8/06

3. This was also a blow to the Greeks, who believed all non-Greeks were barbarians, see Romans 1:14. determined their preappointed times" meaning that God controlled the rise and fall of nations and empires (Dan. 2:36-45; Luke 21:24). God's objective for man in revealing Himself as the creator, ruler, and controller of the world, and men have no excuse for not knowing about God because He has revealed Himself in man's conscience and in the physical world.
---lisa on 11/8/06

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4. One thing for sure, this people didn't get saved, for the calling of the gospel was not given, and those hearing did not hear, did not understand. Paul made sure they heard of a God that was sovereign in all respects and governor of even their very lives, which are dependent upon Him. So had no excuse for their unbelieve. The reason they didn't believe is because they had no repentance in their hearts an so loved sin, and not the Creator.
---lisa on 11/8/06

#2 Ps. 37:23, 30,31; speaks of the "righteous" man' in regard to his steps. Jer 10:23, he knew the difference between directing his own steps & following the the steps of God. I Peter 1:21, we were called out from the world to "follow in His steps". Ps.119:132-133 Only a believer would ask this of God. Jesus in Luke 13:22-30 Tells the people to seek to "enter through the narrow door", Seek Him while He is to be found.
---Linda on 11/8/06

Thank you Linda, I went back and read the whole context of what Paul was saying and also what was happening at the time he spoke. in verse 17:24, you will see that Paul is beginning to show this people the power and Sovereignty of God. Paul was not making a call for salvation but was condemning them for what they believed. You have to remember this people didn't believe in God, so the words Paul was speaking were from his heart to them, not the gospel for salvation.
---lisa on 11/8/06

2. "God, who made the world" was a teaching Paul was giving to them which flatly contridicted bothe the Epicureans, who believed matter was eternal and therefore had no creator, and the Stoics, who as pantheists believed God was a part of everything and could not have created Himself. Pauls teaching is supported throughout Scripture (Gen. 1:1; Ps. 146:5,6; Is. 40:28 ect.) and verse 26 one blood meaning that all men are equal in God's sight since all came from one man.
---lisa on 11/8/06

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Again, thank you Laure for your answers. One thing we do agree with is, that God knows our path already, and knows what is in our hearts. Blessings to you
---lisa on 11/8/06

3. I do know we all have different minds then others. Depending where they come from and who taught them. All I wish to do is to bring God to others as written in Scripture, and then allow them to disagree or agree but at least they will check with Scripture if in fact it does say what I put down. I know in my heart I don't change anyone, I know it is God who teaches us so I don't try to convince anyone, I try to put down God's word and let Him do what He desires from there with His word.
---lisa on 11/8/06

Lisa, I was never trying to give the glory to man! That is the last thing that I want to do. I'm not sure that it is worth explaining further what I am trying to say, because you do not appear to understand that a God of Justice and Righteousness is also a God of Love, and that that love necessitates that we love Him in return. Only if we love God can He work in us, and forced love is not love.
---laure5759 on 11/8/06

#1 Lisa, Acts 17:28 vs. refers to all mankind being made in the likeness of God. God has given us life & "in Him we live & move & have our being." The vs's after that speak of the ignorance of being his "offspring" & making His image in metal & stone. He stated the need for them to come to repentance. Of all hearing, there were only few who chose to believe in Christ. Paul is not stating that God is directing the steps of the unbeliever. ie.Prov 5:5 This would be contrary to His word.
---Linda on 11/8/06

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Thank you sister Laure, I did not mean you in perticular, but even in other post. I have noticed since God saved me, that two things get people upset, one is, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and the other about "free will." Those two topics seem to me to bring more hostility then any other besides Liberal voting. You have been kind and please forgive me if my writing is not in the correct form. I do my best to do it right but my words might come out in a different view.
---lisa on 11/8/06

2. I wish I could be well educated to know how to express things correctly in writing. Brother Bruce is excellent in how he puts things down, in order and in context to what he is explaining. I wish I could do the same and write as he does. I love to read what he writes because he explains things very well. I don't know how he does it or else I would do the same thing. So please forgive me if the way I state things is not that great.
---lisa on 11/8/06

Lisa ... Please try to understand, those who write in with views which do not agree with yours, do so because they beleive as they do. They do not write with hostility.
Nor with anger.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/8/06

Luare, I have no idea as I told others why some people get so angry at the people that speak for God. You are a sister in the Lord and as a child of God we should give glory to God for everything in our lives. I think from what we have to what we will have is all because of God. When I speak for God I know it is only because He lives in my life, not for no other reason. What I myself cannot understand is why people get angry just as others have said here.
---lisa on 11/8/06

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3. Here is what Scripture has to say about any person. In Him we live, and move, and have our being" (Acts 17:28). If you read the context of this passage you will find out that it was not addressed to believers or to the church of God, but to the heathen audience, those who worshipped "the unknown God" and who "mocked" when they heard of the resurrection of the dead.
---lisa on 11/8/06

4. Paul did not hesitate to affirm that they lived and moved and had their being in God, which signified not only that they owed their existence and preservation to the One who made the world and all things theirein, but also that their very actions were encompassed and therefore controlled by the Lord of heaven and earth. "A man's heart deviseth his way: "but the Lord directeth his steps" if the Lord directs the steps of a man, is it not proof that he is being governed by God?
---lisa on 11/8/06

5."There is many devices in a man's heart; but 'nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand", (Prov. 19:21). Can this mean anything less than, that no matter what man may desire and plan, it is the will of His Maker which is executed? You see Laure, no matter how hard we try to give the glory to man, it is the will of God which is done. So if he comes forward to accept Christ, it is only because God made it possible no matter how much credit man wants to take.
---lisa on 11/8/06

Lisa, I have tried not to be hostile, as hostility is not the point of the blogs, the meeting of minds is, and if you interpreted my words as such, then I apologise. I was answering the question alone, which was not even asked by yourself, and stated that I disagree with the doctrine of limited atonement based on free choice.
---laure5759 on 11/7/06

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Just as an aside, your opening statement on this blog: "Here, let me start my morning by explaining something to you." unfortunately does sound as though you are gearing up for a fight. That was my interpretation of it, and I did not respond to it as I only entered the discussion later. Perhaps it would be a good idea to phrase your entries in a different manner, so as to ensure that people do not see you as being combative.
---laure5759 on 11/7/06

Lee - I am not fighting for my rights, as you say. I certainly believe that God's purposes will be achieved, regardless of humanity's wishes otherwise. What I expressed in my last comment, however, is that God may choose us, but unless we choose Him too, He will do nothing with us. If God is a God of love, how can He do otherwise? I believe that love means respect, and to override someone else is to not respect or love them.
---laure5759 on 11/7/06

Laure, may I ask you a question since you make a comment to me? My question is this, "Why is it so important for you to have your rights, oppose to God having His rights to do as He will with what He created? Can you answer that? It seems that all of you make such a big thing to the point of anger not from you but from so many, to fight for your rights. What turns you to even answer in this blog to the defense of man? I know putting down passages streight from God does not help.
---lee_1 on 11/7/06

2. Laure, I am not condemning you or anything like that, what I am trying to understand is why the hostility from so many, when the glory is going to God? I just don't understand. That is the reason I ask.
---lisa on 11/7/06

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Lisa and Lee - have you read the first comment that I made on this blog? I wish you well as you be puppets for God - for me, I praise God that I am free to worship Him in grace, mercy and truth, since He has set me free from bondage. I willingly try to obey Him each day, and freely choose to accept His mercy and grace. Yes, God chose me, but I can choose whether or not to accept Him!
---laure5759 on 11/7/06

Lee_1 - I think that, if you really read what each of us has said, you will see that none of us says the same thing at any one point in time - and often none of us entirely agree with each other.
---laure5759 on 11/6/06

Lee1 # 1 It is interesting that you think there is a conspiracy of one among those who disagree with you and Lisa.
Eloy is unmistakeable in the way he writes.
Similarly, Jared & Kathr & Linda, JIM and SandraW have their individual styles.
I know laure5769 is not me because she has written to me on PenPal!
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/6/06

Lee1 ... # 2 That just leaves me as your alleged deceiver, and this is not the first time you have accused me of lying.
I have already explained that I changed my name from Alan to Quent, and if you are on PenPal you could write to me & I will explain why.
I have not blogged in any other name.
Incidentally, I don't like to be called Quent, so am changing my blogging name again, and will now be ....
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/6/06

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All of you people answering Lisa are hiding from who you really are by using other names. Just in your act alone shows who you really want to follow. If this is from your heart, it is not of God but deceiving others to think there is many answering. Just shows how far you will go, and then you act like you are speaking for God, but only shows the fruits of your spirit.
---lee_1 on 11/6/06

Hear hear, Roger!
---laure5759 on 11/5/06

Cult: A system of religious beliefs and rituals with a body of adherents deeply devoted to an extrabiblical person, idea, or thing; it cultivates worship in a religion or doctrine, with reference to its basis for man's salvation, is considered to be unorthodox, spurious, or false, thereby insulating its members against true salvation in Christ.
---Roger on 11/5/06

I don't know what gospel you are following, but if you don't get a grip, this torrent of blogging will consume your mind with confusion.
---Joni on 11/5/06

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Lisa, How many times can you say the same thing over and over. And yes, you say you are answering questions that are not asked of you. The way you take it upon yourself to answer those questions is to come across only YOU have the truth. No one is taking sides here. Just an observation. You give 5 or more reply's to one person's "one" comment, and then insist they are accountable to you and your views.
---SandraW on 11/5/06

Sandra, I am not insisting anyone do anything. I answer questions if I can. Everything I have wrote down from beginning is from Scripture with the exception when someone wants my opinion without Scripture. This forum is for answering questions. To debate and to share Scripture no matter from what denomination it is. For instance, you wanted to defend Alan or the others for a reason, and you have the right to do that here. We are called to give the gospel Sandra, but to give it all.
---lisa on 11/5/06

Limited Atonement is abuse of atonement, meaning, Christ's forgiveness and restoration to the sinner are not extended to the unrepentant. The atonement is offered for all the world, but not all the world will accept it. The abuse is having a seared conscience to where one is forgiven, but then afterward they constantly sin with the forethought that God will always forgive them and always take them back, therefore they crucify Jesus over and over again with their ungrateful receiving of God's forgiveness.
---Eloy on 11/5/06

2. We were chosen by God, that is what I preach if you have an ear to hear. " To the exiles of the dispersion.. "Chosen" and "destined" by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with His blood... 1 Peter 1:1,2. ..For they (the lost) stumble because they disobey the word, as they were "destined" to do. But you are a "chosen" race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people,
---lisa on 11/5/06

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3. that you may declare the wonderful deeds Of Him who "Called" you out of darkness into His marvelous light." 1 Peter 2:8,9. In Romans 9:16, So it depends "not upon man's will" or "exertion," but upon God's mercy." and in John 15:16 "You did not choose me, but "I chose you" and "appointed you" that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide. My proof comes from Scripture.
---lisa on 11/5/06

lisa, I've read many of your comments here and on other blogs. What I see you doing is provoking others who dont believe as you do. I've read the comments of others that are grounded, yet you keep going on saying they are wrong. Are you offending others by insisting you are right and they are wrong, thereby escalating the argument? Why is it so important to you in this area to insist what the Bible clearly does not say. Please move on.
---SandraW on 11/4/06

Actually Lisa, I have not been asking you questions, except perhaps rhetorical ones on occasion. I have just been trying to explain that I beleive that God offers us a choice to accept or reject His Gift.
You seem to find that offensive. That is sad, if you cannot even try to understand what someone else is saying.
I am happy enough. You are not, because you have the need to make repeated false accusations about my faith and my morals.
So be it.
"Honi soit qui mal y pense"
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/4/06

Lisa - I do not argue that God is sovereign, and that His Will will be accomplished. Rom. 9:15-21 exemplifies this.

However, I believe that, in Gen 3:1-3 we see God introducing free choice. To eat of the one tree was to sin, because God had commanded Adam and Eve NOT to eat of it. If God had wanted us to be puppets, that tree would not have been there. The fact that it is there means that we can make our own decision whether to obey Him or not.
---laure5759 on 11/4/06

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Ok Alan, I have heard you and read what you wrote. I will leave it at that. No use saying any more to you. I am afaid you will come out with something else here too, as in the other blog, if I even answer, so please, just don't ask me anymore questions, ask someone else.
---lisa on 11/3/06

Lisa ... You are taking on more and more of the attributes of another contributor to these blogs.
I have given scripture many times, that simple offer that Jesus made as recorded by Matthew ... "Come unto me"
We can chose to come or stay away.
That is not "works" it is not denying God's sovereignty. The best kings, and God is the best of all, are not dictators.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/3/06

Alan, I have responded to you by scripture. I have put down facts after facts. It is your choice to believe what you so desire, That is also ok. There is nothing whatsoever, ugly, scarey, unjust, about a God who will do His own will and purpose. He is God. Why should we think of Him any less because we want to give Him His rights? Why should He have to leave His throne to allow us to do what we want? Why should He stop been Lord of all, because we don't like it? No,
---lisa on 11/3/06

2. God is the Creator of all. He is intitled to do as He see's right. Our perception is that He is here for us, but we are here for Him. All we ask of Him, with our hearts is because He is the only one that can do. Man has failed from the start, how can he save himself? Or for that matter change himself, his nature, his own sight? If God doesn't do it, how can man do it himself? I don't see nothing scary in God been my Lord. My Savior, my peace.
---lisa on 11/3/06

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3. Now maybe the little details of Scripture don't mean much to some here, like salvation, glorification, sanctification, law, grace, God's sovereign attributes, His nature, His character, but those things are so important in order to understand the God of the Bible. Yet, it is your choice and it is fine to disagree. I don't expect anything less. Thank you for answering, as you gave your opinion without Scripture so did I.
---lisa on 11/3/06

I can imagine such a god, and it scares me!
---laure5759 on 11/2/06

Laure ... I have said the same as you so many times here!!
Can you imagine a god who deliberately decides not to allow salvation to most of humanity? They are doomed from their conception.
To my mind such a god would not be THE GOD
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/2/06

From my understanding of Limited Atonement, it necessarily implies that God has singled out those who are to be saved, and those who are not. That the 'elect' have no choice in whether they are saved or not.

I reject this doctrine, as it removes the single most valuable thing that God has ordained - that we human beings have free choice. I will NOT believe in a God who treats us as puppets, who can do nothing else but His will.
---laure5759 on 11/2/06

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I believe that God has made the salvation that is through Jesus Christ available to all, so that all may have the chance to hear and believe. Some do not hear, because no-one goes to them, and others do not believe, because they are blinded to the truth by Satan.

God has been gracious in allowing me to hear His gospel. I CHOOSE to believe in Him, and leave myself available to do His will, wheresoever He wants me.
---laure5759 on 11/2/06

##1(#1 didn't make in my last comments.) However, Lisa, in Rev.3 Jesus is appealing ultimately to ones heart. The named church is in final stage of apostasy & He is calling them to be saved. This sentence is yours,"The poignant letter was His knocking & if one member would recognize his spiritual bankruptcy & responded in saving faith, He would enter the church." There are many churches that use Jesus' name in their title. This doesn't mean they are in any way teaching His Gospel.
---Linda on 10/31/06

##2 Again, we are able to choose what interpretation we believe. I am as adherant to my belief as you are to yours. We agree on the basic Truth that salvation is necessary for cleansing & forgiveness of sin. All the other comments that could be argumentative re. my wanting to know or not know the truth & misusing scripture etc., I could extend to others I disagree with; but I don't. To me that starts getting "petty" and is of no benefit to the blog reader needs to know the Gospel.
---Linda on 10/31/06

John 1:29, ".....Look, the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world!" Yes, His sacrificial death on the cross took paid for, took away, the sin of the whole world. Not every one will come to Him to partake of God's gift of Grace & Mercy by way of His Son, but Jesus' sacrifice for man's sin is not limited. It covers all of man in every family, tribe & nation.
---Linda on 10/31/06

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Linda, I agree with you completely. Remember that the Holy Spirit reveals to us His word and meaning, not systematic theology that has a perfect place for their theology. When their theology contradicts scripture, they will find another meaning for it and explain it away. Stay true to your convictions regardless of what anyone says.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/06

Thank you Linda for you comments. With the spirit that you put in them. The question asked, is the atonement for the sins of the whole world" And the limited atonement. Now this is the way I see it, If Jesus died for the sins of everyone, that would mean that He has paid the debt for everyone. If we say that His Atonement is good enough to save the whole world, then that is correct. It is good enough to save everyone, but only the one's that believe recieve that atonement.
---lisa on 10/31/06

#2 Strange the Sovereignty of God can be twisted making man the focus in salvation. Believing that only certain ones under a covenant can't say "No" to God because He has chosen THEM; they make themselves an elite group. It's my understanding God's said He is no respecter of persons in regard to salvation. Acts 10:34-35;Rom.3:29-30. God alone knows who will become His child. He hasn't given any man preference, TO THAT MAN'S KNOWLEDGE, by setting him in a "reserved place" to be saved.
---Linda on 10/30/06

#3 Man's choice in conviction of sin is to, repent, confess, believe & by faith choose the Sovereign God's merciful, gracious Lamb Who became the sacrifce for ANY ONE who hears His voice. How humbling!...One day every knee will bow & tongue confess He is Lord!!!!
---Linda on 10/30/06

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4. "To him who overcomes" All true Christians overcome verse 2:7 speaks of, he who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Only the one's with the ears to hear will understand what He is saying. In the case of Rev. 3:20 and knocking, only the one's with an ear will respond to the knocking, if only there was one person that had saving faith. That is the context of what is written in Rev. 3:20. The words of Christ to the church of Laodiceans, written in verse 3:14.
---lisa on 10/30/06

Alan, we don't say what you said. You cannot say something we have not said. It is easy for all of you to critize something you don't understand. This might be a joke to you and others, and maybe a game, but this is serious to God. Our commission is to take the gospel and if we don't know, or falsify the gospel we are going to have to give account to that. Every Christian should have the heart to learn. Instead most of the talk is rediculing, giving the Amens, when what is said is in the wrong context.
---lisa on 10/30/06

2. You might dislike me, which is your right, you might not agree with what I say, which is alright too. But when you speak about God, don't you want to be right? Don't you care if what you have is false, if it is? And if someone tells you different don't you want to find out? You can find out if you care, but if you think that you cannot learn anything anymore then its your choice too. But there should be a burning desire to learn more and more about God. You have to have it.
---lisa on 10/30/06

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