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Trey, you use words like " your god is a weak and pathetic god...bla bla bal.

Same exact words as Markv and Christan...hummmmm.

Are you all sent to some sort of "CULT brainwashing school "being taught these words and phrases you are told has power to attack your enemies? So pathetic trey.

A weak and pathetic god is one who creates robots to control, because he is so weak and pathetic, being intimidated by the flesh of man he had to make sure everything goes exactly as he wants, because he is afraid of man.

Your god is only one of someone else's imagination, and has you in bondage even now. Let's see what they do to you if you use your FREE WILL to break away.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/13

Good point, StrongAxe.

The true message of the Cross is, "Come and die."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/13


You said: Kathr, only believers in Christ carry their cross

A cross is an odious burden. It is heavy, and signifies death. Nevertheless, Jesus told us to willingly carry our own.

Many other people also carry their own odious burdens, frequently with no benefit to them whatsoever. (For example, useless compulsions or false beliefs, stifling traditions, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 11/3/13

Gosh Markv, You have been programmed well. And even if you were WATSON, programmed to have an answer to everything, we all can feel something missing.

I do believe there are robots on earth. Someone created them that way.

But the NEW creature in Christ is no robot. Perhaps the robots are envious of the NEW creatures in Christ who's understanding grows to the height, death length and width , who has seen and knows more than putting a robot definition to scripture.

If you want that too Markv, just UNPLUG yourself from the Calvin mainframe , and come THROUGH the CROSS where LIFE is beautiful all the time. You'll see and know things beyond your human understanding. Come on over, there is plenty of room for ALL.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/13

Kathr, only believers in Christ carry their cross. Unbelievers carry nothing but rubbish with them. I have never seen a lost person carry their cross on their way to hell. Have you?
They are lost in great need of a Savior. They will remain lost, unless God does a miracle on them. They are condemned heading to hell in a basket. Without hope. No one but God can change their destination. Believe it or not.
---Mark_V. on 11/3/13

Markv ignorance of the cross by saying "dying FOR Christ. " and not WITH Christ. He simply fails to see the preaching of THE CROSS is foolishness to him, quoting those verses he has no clue what it means .

Jesus also said, those who pick up their cross and COME AFTER ME. Coming AFTER Jesus is not running after him! but those who identify with Him in death and resurrection life. As Paul understood, stating...I am crucified with longer I but Christ IN me.
Always carrying about in our bodies the DYING of Christ, SO that the Life of Christ is manifest in us. We don't carry our cross FOR Christ, we are crucified WITH Christ, and continue to carry his death in us until he comes,being made CONFORMABLE to His death.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/13

The only way man could save themselves is to shed their own blood. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. And without forgiveness there is no salvation for ANYONE. Only Jesus was that PERFECT sinless Sacrifice God accepted for the "propitiation of sins."

Now there is nothing "limited" in PROPITIATION.

I find trey's AKA markv's comments rather ones coming from a milk fed baby, not able to eat meat.

You keep choking on the MEAT whoever you are. Do you still believe the stork brings babies, and calls anyone a liar who says otherwise?
---kathr4453 on 11/3/13

Kathr, I give all the credit for salvation to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. I know that the only way for a sinner such as myself to be saved is by the grace of an Almighty God and the finished work of Jesus Christ upon the cross. I believe it is by his Spirit I am born again, and it is by his Spirit that dwells in me that I now serve God.

...and you say I mock the cross????

Well Okay Dokay??????

My doctrine gives all the glory to God, yours gives you the glory. Your god is a weak and pathetic god that cannot save.

My God doeth his will among the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth and none can stay his hand or say to him what doest thou?
---trey on 11/3/13

I find the very question of this blog curious. Why limit oneself to gentiles in the first place? (Unless one is a Mormon - who consider all non-Mormons to be gentiles).

I think the answer to this question is simple - no matter how many one converts, there will always be more (otherwise, the Revelation could never happen).

It's as futile as trying to totally eliminate poverty - Jesus said the poor would be with us always.
---StrongAxe on 11/3/13

Shira, Why not ask a good question? Something that will teach you more about God. Here, just to disagree you say,
"gee markv, what is your perception of "picking up the cross?"" My perception is very much different then yours, that is for sure.
Then you give the meaning:
" to me that means you die daily and if you don't understand that, it simply means you don't cater to your flesh but you minister to others." Do individuals without Christ minister to others? I doubt that very much. Unbelievers do not carry a cross, and by the way they are running away from Christ. I have never known one lost person to die daily for Christ. I sort of doubt if you will find that in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 11/3/13

Shira thanks. I knew Christians know in their heart what picking up their cross means.

Now Trey has joined those who knock and mock the cross, being actually included with all those in John 6 who "walked away". But you have to read the WHOLE chapter it know what Jesus was referring to and WHY Judas betrayed Jesus to understand what the comparison was with Judas and all those many disciples who WALKED away. They cherry pick one verse claiming their salvation, while in practice and word they are actually those Jesus rebuked.

THAT, the heart of John 6 , is something they will NEVER understand.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/13

We, as christians, are able to save others from eternal death.

Luke 7:50
Acts 2:21
Acts 2:40
Acts 16:30,31
Romans 11:14
1 Corinthians 7:16
1 Corinthians 9:22
1 Timothy 4:16
James 5:20

I sure hope you people are saving other people from eternal death by the preaching of the true gospel as spoken of by Jesus.
---Steveng on 11/3/13

gee markv, what is your perception of "picking up the cross?" to me that means you die daily and if you don't understand that, it simply means you don't cater to your flesh but you minister to others. I sort of doubt if you will find that at walmart.
---shira4368 on 11/2/13

Gen 3:15 is a prophecy of Christ not "a way for every man to accept Christ".

God does not offer salvation. God saves his elect! Rom 11:26. (Who is Israel = Paul clarifies in Rom 9:6.)

Regeneration is the work of the Holy Spirit alone. (John 3:8) Now read Titus 3:5. Did you catch the part about not by works of righteousness that we have done?

You keep saying that I said we are forced into doing something. The scriptures say: Jer 31:3 that the Lord has drawn us.

Kathr, if you are so smart and have so much understanding, I dare you to explain John 6:45.
---trey on 11/2/13

Since you brought it up, let us consider Christ in the garden (Matt 26:39 and 42). When Christ is praying to the Father and asking for "the cup to pass from me" have you ever considered these two things:
1st that Christ, being God had made a covenant with the Father before the foundation of the world to come and die for the sins of the elect family of God. And that as God since he had made this covenant that he, being unchangable, could do nothing other than what he had committed to do. His will and his oaths are immutable. Heb 6:18
2. It is my belief that what Christ is asking is not that he not go to the cross, but that the suffering and shame of the cross pass quickly.
---trey on 11/2/13

I've never been to a Wal- mark. What is a Wal-mark?

Did Jesus say you must go to Wal-mark and pick up your cross and follow me or you can't be my disciple? Are you making fun of Wal - mark people?

Okee, dokee!

Don't forget to put your clocks back one hour.
---kathr4453 on 11/2/13

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Kathr, do you go to Wal-mark and see unbelievers picking up the cross? How about anywhere you go? No unbeliever picks up any cross's. unbeliever do not believe in Christ or His death. They are running away from Christ. They must be running away from Christ with a cross on them. Only those who believe carry their cross. Unregenerate people have no love for Christ so why would they pick up their cross?
Did you know that the Bible is speaking to believers? When it says for "us" believers to pick up our cross, it is because we love Christ and should pick up our cross and follow Him. unbelievers do not follow Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/2/13

markv, I'm sorry you don't know the Bible and have to be told where every nook and cranny of truth is. I would think as someone who SEES ALL should know where these verses are.

Please read your Bible and stop reading commentaries.

I don't post others commentaries words, as you do, allowing man to be your Holy Spirit Teacher and not the Lord.

Those who know the doctrine of the CROSS need no one to hold their hand daily as you do requiring us to post the exact verses over and over because you have memory issues that you never acknowledge those verses posted to begin with.

Markv, I simply do not believe as you believe. I am COMPLETE IN HIM.

Now when I posted that verse you called that verse a lie.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/13

Kathr, another thing you fail to see is that you talk too much religious words without giving Scripture. And every time you talk, you make up stuff, and the result is you give out more information about your own state of being now. I did not lie about what you once said.
You say now,
" We follow Him, by picking up our cross, and FOLLOWING HIM in death and resurrection life, resulting in regeneration."
The lost do not pick up their cross, they have no cross. You cannot love Christ, have faith in Christ, be convicted of sin, without the regenerating grace of God, without it you have no ability to perceive or understand the kingdom of God.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/13

Trav please read John 14:16
---Jatz on 10/27/13

I appreciate it.....and thanks for the prayer.

Multiple witnessing scriptures are a comfort as they release me from all men, all doctrine of men and denominational repetitiveness.

As we only have an allotted time....i don't want to waste mine drinking old milk. Scriptural meat/truth is the thing. Sheep, widows and orphans the mission.

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Eze_34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
---Trav on 10/31/13

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Markv, I do hope one day CN will throw you off for lying and saying people say things they never said. You have caused more and more people to leave here lately because you continually accuse , just like Satan continually accuses the Saints.

You have NO CLUE markv.

I will not ever tell you again I came BY FAITH in the Promises of God, and no one can be saved without faith.


Now Trey, if you want to join yourself to a liar, so be it. Birds of a feather flock together.

Markv will do and say anything to obscure THE CROSS.

We preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED. Paul said he knows nothing except CHRIST CRUCIFIED.

---kathr4453 on 10/31/13

Bro. Trey, it matters not how much Truth a person writes down for Kathr, she will give the glory to God. It's impossible for her to understand. Even when Jesus tells us that salvation with men is impossible, or when Jesus says,
"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him who He sent" She reads it and deny"s it. Denies a sinner has to be drawn by the Father, she says, not true, we accept Christ out of our free will if we want to. God cannot do anything without her permission. An Omnipotent God she says, cannot do anything. And then tells everyone she came to Christ without faith, in return for such great deed, Christ gave her everything. No one can make her understand but God, not you or I.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/13

Trey, God has made a way to accept every man, and that is through his Son Jesus Christ. Yes, actually the offer that came from God began in Genesis 3:15' and that offer of salvation had been offered FIRST by God , yes, for the last 6000 years.

We all need to be reminded How God demonstrated HIS love towards all of us sinners FIRST, ...first by covering Adam and Eve, and establishing what faith in His PROMISES from the very beginning. LOVES us so much, God even gave Cain a SECOND chance to do what God asked. What Love. NO, Cain could not SAVE himself, the difference between one trying to save himself his own way, and Abel, OBEYING what God asked him to do, thereby becoming an HEIR of Righteousness.

Have YOU obeyed Trey ?
---kathr4453 on 10/31/13

Trey, the word regeneration is used two times in scripture. The first declares one must FOLLOW Jesus IN the Regeneration.

Jesus is the FIRST BORN from the dead, and we first must die with Christ and be raised up with Christ, in order to FOLLOW HIM in the regeneration. We follow Him, by picking up our cross, and FOLLOWING HIM in death and resurrection life, resulting in regeneration.

This is what YOU must first OBEY. God did not FORCE the Cross on Jesus , as Jesus said he can take it up or lay it down. Jesus became OBEDIENT unto death, even death of the cross. God would never FORCE man to do anything He himself was not FORCED to do. Jesus willingly laid down his life in OBEDIENCE to the will of God. FREE will.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/13

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Furthermore Trey! we even see Jesus praying in the garden..." If there be any other way" neverthe less, THY will be done. Yet it took Jesus WILLINGNESS to do the will of God.

Jesus learned obedience through the things he suffered? Hebrews.

Keep this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus , who became OBEDIENT unto death, even death of a cross.

So you claim to be above Jesus? No obedience required from you? You claim regeneration was forced on you? Then I say, you have no clue what regeneration is ACCORDING to scripture. Stop reading new Age Gnosticism books.

Paul wrote those verses Trey.
---kathr4453 on 10/31/13

Kathr, what you fail to understand is that just as the Christ effectually called Saul/Paul and regenerated him on the road to Damascus, Christ effectually called and regenerated you. He regenerated you and you responded by having a desire to "accept him". It was not you that acted first it was God.
---trey on 10/30/13

The Ministry of the Holy Spirit
It is the Holy Spirits operation through the word of God that initiates the new birth experience. 1 Pet. 1:23
Acts 2 describes the descent of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost, as many were told to WAIT for this moment. Four things happened in this order:
A. The sound of a violent, rushing wind filled the house.
B. Tongues of fire rested on each of them.
C. They were filled with the Holy Spirit.
D. They began to speak in other languages the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
When Peter preached the gospel In the Power of the Holy Spirit, not before, 3,000 were saved in one day, and the Christian church was born.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13

What Markv would like you to believe is there is ANOTHER Gospel apart from that in Acts that they alone are saved by.

NO SCRITURE in Acts even remotely teaches the Calvin Doctrine. Now markv may say those saved in acts are not really saved, because they were not DEMANDED like PAUL and forced salvation on Paul ...although I see no where God demanded Paul to do anything or forced Paul to do anything.

So exactly when did Calvinism come into being,? Certainly NOT at the beginning of the Church Age.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13

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There are some on line here that find it convenient to do away with the Trinity when being pinned down about the different offices of the Trinity. The HOLY SPIRIT did not shed His blood and die for you sin, and neither did the Father. The Spirit of the Life of the Holy Spirit did not set you free from sin. You are not crucified with the Holy Spirit and raised up together with the Holy Spirit a New Creature.

The Spirit of the LIFE OF CHRIST is what they fail to see.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13

Trey, that's another funny. Another word that doesn't mean what it says..."obey," now can be added to the list of words meaning something else in scripture .

No Trey, acts 19 is not about gifts. It just so happens in the beginning of the church age tongues accompanied the New Birth. And no where is a baptism used to activate spiritual gifts. Baptism was when one OBEYED the Gospel. Romans 16: 24-27. For the obedience of faith, Paul said again.

Was your salvation like Paul? Jesus showed up and your eyes are burned too. Send us all a picture.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13

Trey, Acts 10 and 11 verify that Peter and Paul were not going around making sure people received the GIFTS of tongues, but the gift of salvation. Trey, please read acts 10 and 11 very carefully. I started off Peter, testifying to their SALVATION, after he returned from Cornelius's home.

Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.17 ---------saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/13

Kathr, you argue with:
"When Paul preached the gospel he never once said ,Lord, please show me where the Holy Spirit blew in and out so I can gather those people saying Abba Father, and explain truths to them and ground them in Calvinism."
First, the Spirit of God is God. Jesus is God. The Spirit within us is the Spirit of Christ.
Second, Jesus never asked Paul if He wanted to be saved. Jesus did not ask Paul if he wanted to exercise his free will. All Jesus did was convict him, blind him to show His power, and ordered him to do as He was told. Paul never said, "Jesus, I don't want to be blind, and your conviction does not work on me, I don't want to be saved, I have that right with my free will.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/13

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WOW Kathr, it seems I lit a fire.

Acts 19:2 The Apostle Paul is referring to the special gifts of the Holy Ghost, i.e. speaking in tongues. They are believers. If the Holy Ghost had not done a work on them they wouldn't be seeking God.

Acts 5:32 You might want to study the word "obey" it doesn't mean what you think it does. It refers to Christ's sovereign will. Check out John 1:12-13, Romans 9:19.

Romans 8:15 So you believe that it was your choice to "receive his Spirit"? Maybe you should read Romans 3:11, and Psalms 14:2 & 3.

One last verse for you: Philippians 2:13.

---trey on 10/29/13

Hi Kathr, one more thought....Do you believe your new birth experience was different that of the Apostle Paul?
---trey on 10/29/13

Trey, here, try nailing these three verses together.

Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/13

Acts 19:1-6

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

and Paul said, oh my, you can't possibly be one of the "elect" for the Holy Ghost jumps on the elect without their even knowing it or knowing about it. Then You cry Abba Father out of nowhere. If this didn't happen to you, then you have been elect for hell. Sorry guys. Nothing I can do here.

Yea what verses 3-5 really say!
---kathr4453 on 10/29/13

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Trey, you make it sound like I'm at a Pop festival, and walla the wind of the spirit blows on me and walla I say ABBA FATHER, far out, totally wow man, Kool dude.
What you are doing is deciding that "your understanding" of those passages dictates my salvation.

So your saying, it's really the Holy Spirit who decides who will be saved, working totally independent from the Father and Son who is the WORD? That the Holy Spirit just goes where He wants and blows in and out of towns and cities Zapping people who then instantly become Born Again?

Sorry trey, I already turned down the swamp land yesterday.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/13

Trey, the message of the cross, and Christ crucified is to difficult for many of you to understand, so you are claiming your salvation any way you can conger one up.

When Paul preached the gospel he never once said ,Lord, please show me where the Holy Spirit blew in and out so I can gather those people saying Abba Father, and explain truths to them and ground them in Calvinism.

Trey, I KNOW Who, What, When Where, How and Why I am Born from Above. It took More than the Holy Spirit just blowing in and out.

And your nailing those two verses together reminds me of a joke I heard years ago.

If two things that have never been nailed together before, someone nails them together, ...some DUMB American will buy it.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/13

"For those of you who believe we ask him into our heart"
---trey on 10/25/13

David said-
1 Kings 2:4 "That the LORD may continue his word which he spake concerning me, saying, If thy children take heed to their way, to walk before me in truth with all their heart and with all their soul, there shall not fail thee (said he) a man on the throne of Israel."

With all their heart?:

John 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
Romans 10:10.
---Nana on 10/29/13

Kathr, you say,
" I know I was not BORN Again until I totally surrendered my life." Without faith how could you surrender to Christ? You were dead in trespasses and sins. Already condemned. Then say,
" God did not FORCE that surrender, however He asked me to surrender," He spoke to you while you were condemned and heading to hell? Nonsense. Then say,
" and the moment I said YES, THEN I was Born Again" faith comes when God draws you to Himself and makes you alive together with Christ. Not after. You again suggest you surrendered to Christ with no faith, but once you surrendered you received faith. Not biblical.
All who make a commitment to Christ have faith already.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/13

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Hi Kathr,

What you do not understand is that until God causes you to live you cannot respond. You were dead in trespasses and sins. Eph 2:1

Here is the state man is in until God acts:
Rom3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Then the Spirit of God Acts:
John3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

That's when:
Rom8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

That's probably too simple of an explanation for your complex mind.
---trey on 10/28/13

Scripture teaches satan is the god of this world that will one day be totally destroyed and the New heaven and Earth will be.

We as Christians, once saved have been crucified to this world. Why? Because satan is the god of this world. God protects His own in this world, who are no longer OF this world. HEAVEN is where our citizenship is NOW.

Markv wants you to still hold on to this world. BEWARE.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13

Shira, I'm happy and honored to stand with you too. I know I was not BORN Again until I totally surrendered my life. God did not FORCE that surrender, however He asked me to surrender, and the moment I said YES, THEN I was Born Again and THEN I said ABBA Father. It was the most wonderful day of my life.

But I do not measure others experience by mine. or say, unless yours happened EXACTLY like mine, your not saved.

MarkV HEARD the Gospel first. (The seed was planted in his heart). He testified to that a few years ago, then he went to church after that and THEN he responded to what he had heard. The Holy Spirit is what empowers God's Word, not our ears.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13

I could make a joke asking the last Gentile saved to turn out the light at the end of the tunnel. But I won't.

First off, YOU don't get anyone saved.

It's also possible that the last person (Gentile or otherwise) to be saved hasn't been born yet and may not be born for another century. Did you think of that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/13

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kathr, Im happy to stand with you. I know God is all knowing and He is in control but He also made me and all people and He is not forcing anyone to do anything. I am thankful God spoke to my heart one night and I responded. I have seen many under conviction who got up and walked out of church.
---shira4368 on 10/28/13

For those of you who believe we ask him into our heart please give me chapter and verse. Until you do I will contine to worship a sovereign God that doeth HIS will.

---trey on 10/25/13

WELL ONE IS...TO AS MANY AS receive him JOHN 1:12

..sooooo TO them only TREY.

So whether you believe God FORCED you to receive Jesus therefore being able to be Born of God, or whether you receive Him by opening that door of which you first heard the knocking, where by He said He would COME INTO YOU...

how else do you believe Jesus is IN YOU.
He was not IN YOU before you were born or Born Again.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13

MarkV, I believe that the Jews KNEW they were sinners and they believed in the Day of Atonement for the covering of their sin year after year. The had the OT LAW that pointed to their sin, and knew ever day they broke the law in some form or fashion. Why do you believe some super natural instance has to occur before one knows they are a sinner. Perhaps the Lord gave you a little extra help because you are retarded. But you are not norm.

So please keep your false doctrine to yourself that man is totally clueless that he is a sinner.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/13

Trav please read John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, THT HE MAY ABIDE IN U 4EVER Verse 26 but the comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach u all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto u. Mat 7:7 ask n it shall b given etc
---Jatz on 10/27/13

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The call is to the Jew first Roman 1:17

Isaiah 49:5

Matthew 10:5-6 Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel

However, those say John 3 :16 pertained to all without acknowledging the previous verse 3.14

Numbers 21:6 more important verse 10.

He was not speaking to the world, for there are many worlds in the word.

the same wrote John 13:1

example Job 37:12

1 John 2:15

Love what???? not the world

Isaiah 45:15-17-18
John 1:10

Acts 3:18
But for those things...v23

as many has spoken...vs 25

distinction the whole earth !
---Carla on 10/27/13


Joel 2:32

Mount Zion and Jerusalem shall be delivered

Dealing with the Gentiles

Act 10,44

Romans 2:9 -19 14

a law unto themselves. a lesson for those who think we are not under the law, explain the law from this perspective?

Roman 15:4

ur not like minded you'll not make it unless you are

Verse 15 AS it is written, take heed to that!
Romans 15:12


Isaiah 11:10 -REST-

There are those that know and preach the law

Cornelius had to go get Peter

I Titus 2:1

Paul Quotes LAW and kept it according to the Almighty God and his Son The Christ.
---Carla on 10/27/13

Kathr, it is you who does not understand. But that is ok. You are not alone. Many of you are around here. They even support you. They like your stories, because they also believe in free will. The problem is that many of those are saved, they just don't know how they got to the place they were in when they heard the Truth. They believe it was of their own free will. They didn't understand their fallen condition. But you are different. You know what the Truth is and yet trample the word of God on purpose. Greater is your fault then the rest.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/13

How is it that we, God's people are overcomers?

1 John4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Now how is it that the Spirit of God comes in to a person?
John3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

For those of you who believe we ask him into our heart please give me chapter and verse. Until you do I will contine to worship a sovereign God that doeth HIS will.
---trey on 10/25/13

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If perhaps Markv understood what it is to be an overcomer, he would know who and what we overcome, and why.

I can do all things THROUGH Christ.
Colossians says we are dead to this world. WHY? Why has God seated US right now in heavenly places IN Christ above powers and principalities in this present evil world.
Because Markv is ignorant of who he is and where he is seated and WHY, he will always be a part of this evil world he so worships and adors, because he has never been crucified to this world or crucified with Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/13

Thank you brother Trey. It is amazing how much stuff many here teach. When I joined here, I did not think it was that bad. But now I hear so call believers say, that Satan is in control of all things on the earth, so call Christians, not atheist or unbelievers. That is what is so shameful. No wonder so many are really not saved at all. They have no shame. They tell their religious brothers, they are depending upon God for all things, but in their hearts God is in control of nothing. What kind of God is that? A helpless god. They might as well pray to Satan, since he is in control of all things.
The words of Jesus come to mind, when He told those who claim God was their Father, that they were doing the desires of their real father the devil.
---Mark_V. on 10/22/13

Luke18:27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Even our belief is the work of God:
John6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Too bad most cannot understand the simple words of Jesus.
---trey on 10/21/13

Samuel, you need to look at Scripture first before you say,
" The difference is that He knows what we will choose. He does not choose for us."
God knows all things. But you are not one of the elect because He saw that you would choose Christ. It's impossible for lost man to choose Christ, since He tells us believers concerning the lost,
" there is none who seek after God" (Rom. 3:11). He knew no one would choose Him in their fallen state. Your theory is something someone created. Not from the Bible. We are of the elect because,
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love" (Eph. 1:4).
---Mark_V. on 10/21/13

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Elder, you understood nothing. you say,
"how many believers are under the curse/threat of perishing?" All descendants of Adam without Christ are condemned. The elect included. Second, Believers in Christ do not perish. Then say,
2 Peter 3 is about God's delay is because He is not willing that any perish and He has given them space to repent" wrong. For many had already perish. He cannot be waiting for them.
In (v 3:7) Peter said,
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, "are reserved for fire until the day of Judgment and perishing of ungodly men" He could not be waiting for those, they are reserved for fire.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/13

No one can get anyone saved, we are all sinners. Only God can save them. Only God knows who the last Gentile is whom He will save. Mark v

True. Also I agree that GOD knows who the Elect are. The difference is that He knows what we will choose. He does not choose for us. This makes us responsible for our choice instead of making GOD responsible for causing people to be lost. GOD gives us free will in His sovereignty which make us responsible for our choices not GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/18/13

II Pet 3:9
Tell us how many believers are under the curse/threat of perishing?
Next tell us what "repentance" believers have to come to so they won't perish?
There is no Scriptual way anyone can get "elect" into this verse as hard as they try.
II Pet 3 is about the Second Coming of Christ and His delay. The delay is because He is not willing that any perish and He has given them space to repent.
---Elder on 10/17/13

Here is a simple outline of II Peter
I. The Greeting from Peter
II. The Witness of Peter
III. The message of Peter
IV. The Encouragement from
Peter 3:1-16
V. The Conclusion of Peter
Content in a thumbnail
Chapter 1 - God gives you all you need to live for Him
Chapter 2 - God warns of false teachers
Chapter 3 - God promises The Day of the Lord will come
---Elder on 10/17/13

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Mary, I know you are not there anymore but here is my answer. No one can get anyone saved, we are all sinners. Only God can save them. Only God knows who the last Gentile is whom He will save.
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). The "us" is believers and those who will believe (the elect). None is going to perish.
---Mark_V. on 10/17/13

The Jewish 12 tribes, there is 12,000 in each tribe = 144.000.
---Lawrence on 10/12/13

37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick,they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze_48:31 the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward, one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

Rev_21:12 had a wall great and high, had twelve gates, at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
---Trav on 10/13/13

Rev 7 and Rev 14 show us that the 144,000 is the sealed from the 12 Jewish Tribes, Rev 7:4-8.
It is the great mulitude which no man could number that contains people from all nations, Rev 7:9.
Please notice that the 144,000 are numbered, 12,000 from each (12) tribe(s).
The great mulitude no man can number. They are not numbered/counted.
---Elder on 10/13/13

The Jewish 12 tribes, there is 12,000 in each tribe = 144.000. Gathered in from all nations.
---Lawrence on 10/12/13

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Jesus will return to His 1st. chosen, the Jewish people. Out of the Jewish people there be 144 thousand.
---Lawrence on 7/26/10

Lawrence, scripture does not say this. A common mis-interpretation.
12,000 x 12,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel.
Judah is 1/12th of Israel. One twelveth, does not equal all. Because you can't find them doesn't mean GOD can't or Christ.
James 1:1
James, a servant of God of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 7/27/10

A gentile person is non - Hebrew, Jewish.

When the last gentile person is saved ( God only knows ), then the door of The salvation of God to the gentiles is closed. ( again that Is salvation, Not salvations of the Man - mades )

Jesus will return to His 1st. chosen, the Jewish people. Out of the Jewish people there be 144 thousand.
---Lawrence on 7/26/10

Who is it? Who is the last Gentile?
---Donna9759 on 12/25/07

I think we should be focusing on saving people in general, not just gentiles. What exactly defines a gentile?
---Cathryn on 2/21/07

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Save all of them?
---chad6498 on 11/16/06

Jeanne, that would be a better question but in dispensational theology and biblical interpretation, there is a distinct line between Gentile and Jew. when the last Gentile is saved then the Rapture comes, then the Jews are back in the old covenent till the 2nd coming. which is not exactly the correct way to interperet the Bible.
---Jared on 11/15/06

Shouldnt the question be the last person saved whether gentile, Buddhist, Islamic, Jew etc.Plus we cant tell if they are the last one all we know is we are being obediant and witnessing and that we led someone to God only God would know they are the last one saved. I am not tryint to sound like a smart alec but lets face facts they wouldnt wear a shirt saying "last unsaved" wouldnt even know what that meant or that they are not saved so only God will know this.
---Jeanne on 11/15/06

(Matthew 24:14)
---Mrs._Morgan on 11/14/06

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why would be assumed that it would be a gentile? or does it say that it will be a gentile and i'm simply not familiar with the scripture reference?
---JaeR on 11/14/06

What are you asking?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/31/06

Does this question imply that you think some kind of apocalyptic time table can be rushed by saving the last Gentile or something?
---Jack on 10/31/06

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