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Is Ted Haggard A Christian

Please give your ideas about Ted Haggard. Was he ever a Christian? Is he still a Christian? I get many questions about him so I'm asking you, what do you think?

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It doesn't matter one iota what we think of this man. If you can't answer all the questions someone is asking you, it could be because your mouth should be shut. The man had a very big fall. He came out. Are you a Christian for wanting to pick him apart piece by piece now? This type of character examination has nothing to do with scripture. You're taking him down to the 'dirty laundry' level, and very personal. Anyone's ideas about him are meaningless. What God thinks of him is none of our business.
---Dave on 6/10/07

Jack, you are not speaking the truth when you say, "All of these things are considered necessary,etc.

1) Where is the scripture that says you have to walk down the aisle to "Just as I am?"

2)Where in scripture is the sinners prayer recorded?

3) If David allowed Samuel to anoint him, I guess he did accept Jesus as His Lord and Savior.
4) He was baptized, with OIL.

Now let me just say this and I'll close. You are way off base on this one! I luv ya anyway.
---Donna9759 on 11/16/06

Jack, Yes David recited the sinners prayer, he wrote it! Psalm 51 is the sinners prayer.

Did he accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal savior? YES, when Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him.

Did he walk down the aisle to "Just as I Am"? that's not a requirement for being a Christian. DUH

Was he baptized with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? He was anointed with Oil, Oil back in the OT was a sign of the Holy Spirit.
---Donna9759 on 11/16/06

**David was a Christian in every way. **

Did he recite a sinner's prayer?

Did he accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal savior?

Did he walk down the aisle to "Just as I Am"?

Was he baptized with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

All of these things are considered necessary (depending on who you ask) for becoming a Christian.
---Jack on 11/16/06

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No one is saying that David or other OT figures were not righteous and pleasing to God.

But to call them Christians is to assume the word has no meaning except, "I approve of him. He was a nice/pious/good guy."
---Jack on 11/16/06

Jack, Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus always existed in the Trinity with the Father. David was a Christian in every way. 1)He loved the Lord with all of his heart. 2)He was anointed with the Holy Spirit. 3)He obeyed God's word, etc., 4) God even called him a man after his own heart. Jack, where does it say David wasn't a Christian? Does that mean neither was Abraham? Moses? Ruth? JESUS ALWAYS EXISTED IN THE TRINTITY, He came to earth in the form of a man to die for our sins.
---Donna9759 on 11/14/06

Donna w/due respect Ted/David had diff. offices. David was King not Priest he was a Political figure the king. Like Pres. Clinton says he's Christian goes to church,confessed to his wife, the US fogave him. Same w/David the political figure of his day. Ted would have been like "Samuel" committing that sin. Samuel was the spiritual leader a different calling, the last Judge of Israel spiritual leader of the people. Spiritual advisor to David like they say Ted was to Bush. Apples/Oranges
---Jeanne on 11/13/06

**If King David committed adultery, murder and then numbered the people of Israel (all sins against God), and He was indeed a Christian,**

But Donna, David never WAS a Christian.

Christ had not yet come.

---Jack on 11/13/06

Why do we need to know whether Ted is a Christian or not? That is between him and God. It is nothing to me, and shouldn't be to others. We just need to love him and pray for him. If he isn't saved, maybe he will seek and find God cuz we prayed for him.
---Marietta on 11/13/06

Post #1 - I have another perspective. If King David committed adultery, murder and then numbered the people of Israel (all sins against God), and He was indeed a Christian, what makes people think Ted wasn't a Christian? I know you're going to say, "IF he knew Jesus, he wouldn't have done what he did, ah, but King David knew God, right?"
---Donna9759 on 11/13/06

Post #2 - Here's the difference between King David and Ted. David's sins were a one time deal, right? Ted's was an on-going 3 year one. Right? How could someone who does know Jesus CONTINUE year after year doing what Ted did? That's the part I don't understand. I do believe Ted was a fundamentalist Christian, he knew about God, but maybe didn't have that deep seeded love relationship with God and that's how he was able to live in continual sin.
---Donna9759 on 11/13/06

I AM I - Who are you? God? That is a judgement call you make, and only God can make those. It would appear that you do think you are God, however.

It is for us to love Ted, comfort and restore him, NOT to make judgement calls.
---laure5759 on 11/12/06

Mima: You should tell those inquiring about Haggard that you don't know the man's spiritual condition, but you are sure he would appreciate their prayers for him at this time.
---Madison1101 on 11/12/06

It is almost certain that he had to have been once a Christian. As to whether he is still a Christian, we cannot judge.
---Okebaram on 11/12/06

Yes, Dave, I am a Christian.
---AlwaysOn on 11/12/06

/1 He is a HYPOCRITE. Who wants to argue that he is not? I expect nothing from people like him. Therefore, I will NEVER be disappointed by them! They sell FEAR and the promise of salvation to people who do not get this thing! I put Creflo Dollar, Pat Robertson ( Mr. let-us-go-murder-everyone-in-Christs name!), TD Jake, Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts, Jim Baker, several pastors, ministers, and priests I know personally in the same category!
---I_AM_I on 11/12/06

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2/ Thanks to Haggard and his crew, there is going to be a serious religious debate in this country! May God bless them for that. The OPEN use of religion in the last two presidential elections is the impetus for this debate. Look at all the Senators who are now OPENLY declaring their faith! People are WAKING up from their deep sleep! Last week I watched six (6) spiritual people on Larry King Live. One of the six was a reverend. He is one of several people of the cloth ---
---I_AM_I on 11/12/06

3/ I see who get this thing. They were all talking about the same thing (God), but only the reverend alone mentioned the word God. All six of them were starting and finishing each others sentences. It was BEAUTIFUL! They all have their separate companies or ministries, but they conduct programs together sometimes. There are so many people like these all over the world. Not once did they sell fear, hell, Satan or damnation. Their message was very POSITIVE and uplifting!
---I_AM_I on 11/12/06

Are you a Christian, AlwaysOn? One minute you lay out all the nasty, lengthy details, then say the appropriate Christian quips. Politics aside, with you it's always about the politics.
---Dave on 11/12/06

I think Dave that replied to this one blog needs to not be so mean in his replies. All MIMA did was to ask a simple question and he gets all in a uproar. The question wasn't a bad one. But his replies weren't very nice at all. He can do better..
---Greta on 11/12/06

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I have read a blog on Ted Haggart by a leading Christian, who was asked to say something. We must not judge him. Christians who are leaders are the most vulnerable to attacks by Satan, and they are ALL to be prayed for. Especially when they fall. I would say that Ted was, and still is, a Christian, and is going through a VERY rough time. He needs our prayers, and our sympathy. It could happen to any one of us too.
---laure5759 on 11/12/06

WOW! Is this pick-on-Mima day here?! :D Let me check my calendar; as far as I can tell, all the poor guy did was ask a question! :O
---Mary on 11/11/06

Yes, I believe he was and still is a Christian.
---AlwaysOn on 11/11/06

Only Jesus knows his heart for certain. He was born a sinner and has admitted struggling all his life with that particular sin. To make a public statement that he is a "deceiver and liar" and asking people to focus any disappointment on him instead of the other man if nothing else shows repentance in my opinion. Beyond that I have no thought except to pray for him. I would not allow conversations with others particularly non-believer to go further than that.
---Linda32708 on 11/11/06

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Mima, you need to be about your own rat-killin', in your house.
---Dave on 11/11/06

I think only God knows if he is a Christian. If he is a Christian, then he has much repenting to do and it sounds like he has already started with that. We need to pray for him. Things like this have been going on from Adam and Eve. But, through Jesus we can overcome temptation.
---Susie on 11/11/06

Mima, I don't know why people are asking you about Ted Haggard's spiritual condition, why they think you are the arbiter or this, or why they feel they need to know.

I will, however, answer your question with another one:

If what we KNOW to be our own sins still do not keep us from being Christian, why do the sins of someone else (real or perceived) mean that he is not a Christian?
---Jack on 11/11/06

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To put it another way, read Matthew 7:1.

NOBODY ON THESE BLOGS is being asked or required to pass spiritual judgement on Ted Haggard. To my knowledge, nobody here is among the supervising elders of his church or are those counselling and disciplining him.

Since nobody is being asked, and since we all wish divine judgement to pass over ourselves, we should refrain from judging him or anyone else.
---Jack on 11/11/06

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