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Are Churches Social Services

A church does not believe in baptism or communion and represents itself to the world as a social service agency. Should we be donating to this kind of organization?

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 ---Susie on 11/12/06
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your question. My wife had been raped and abused in christian foster homes from an early age. she is native and has no education. She takes medications for a chemical imbalance, mother's alcoholism during pregnancy. she endures many flashbacks of men abusing her. the meds made her sleepy, unable to care for our sons. That is why we gave them unselfishly to couples without children. married 8 years and she has never been happier.I promised no one would ever hurt her again, including me.
---ashley on 5/24/07

I belong to an Outreach Church but would like to see us do more of it. Most of the outreach is inviting people to the church, help sometimes with a few bills, pass tracts, holiday meals, clothes, toys and so forth. Not enough by a longshot. We have two church locations and are able to do more.
---Robyn on 5/23/07

Hi Ashley, can I ask you why in the world did you have to give your sons up for adoption just because you got married? Please, if it's too personal, forgive me for asking and forget it. I'm just curious and feel bad for you.
---sue on 5/23/07

I would not support them because they represent themselves as a church, but go against Bible teaching. Christians need to believe and teach that everything in the Bible is true. Jesus said to be baptized and to take communion. To teach differently, either by word or example, can confuse those whose eternity depends on how they choose to respond to Jesus Christ. While providing social sevice is commendable, the more imortant issue is that of distorting God's Word, and possibly leading people astray.
---LL on 5/23/07

Some churches have thier own social services agencies for charitable reasons to serve the Lord.
---anonymous on 5/23/07

when I was married, I had to give up my two sons for adoption. I contacted LDS social services and I hand picked the families they went to from pictures. I then met the couples and knew God had led me in my choice. I don't know where they are, but I still receive pictures and letters from them now eight years later. They are healthy, being raised to love Jesus Christ and are well taken care of. do I trust childrens aid or any other corrupt agency. NO and they will not receive one cent from me.
---ashley on 5/23/07

doree4573: You are right on the money. I totally agree with you. All churches should be involved in social activities. This is what christian outreach is all about. We should be reaching out with love and mercy to these people in the form of clothes, food, gospel and sometimes monetary gifts, as well. If churches did their part on this. The unsaved would not have to take up the slack. The money the pastor and leaders live off of could more than take care of the church and social needs of our day.
---Robyn on 5/22/07

See if they are evaluated by Ministry Watch and what type of evaluation they have. If you like them fund them; if you don't like the organization don't fund them.

You also have to remember that there are some countries in the would where you can only go on a social actions basis and not on any type of religious advocacy basis and organizations have to conform to local laws when running programs in those locations.
---notlaw99 on 5/22/07

If it weren't for the SA my kids would've had a pretty grim Christmas one year. They helped us more than our own church at the time. And I was PAYING tuition to this church/school!
---sue on 11/16/06

From these posts I don't recognise the Salvation Army as I know it in England. They are one of few groups who will be showing the community a real Christian Christmas. They witness openly, give out Christian literature and have carol services despite virtually everyone else watering down Christmas to make it a secular event. Like many Christian organizations, it might not be run now in quite the way its founder intended but it has not lost its way and become just a social services as some of you imply.
---m.p.a. on 11/16/06

Clay: How do you propose the Salvation Army eliminate poverty in our country? They deal with the poorest of poor people in our country.
---Madison1101 on 11/14/06

I hear in college and from social agencies what they are trying to do. It's pathetic. They are like a hospital at the bottom of a cliff that people keep falling off of. Rather than build a fence at the top of the cliff they build a hospital at the bottom. Christians know the truth yet few churches take care of the social problems and miss the opportunity to witness, it is left to humanist social organizations, the blind leading the blind.
---Clay on 11/14/06

Of all the "worldly" groups to throw money at, there are none that give as much % or work as hard for the needy as the S.A. The added benefit of them at least exposing people to the Bible is worth my vote. What assistance group is there better to support? They even give their lists of needy people to businesses that want to donate directly to the needy. The Telco I work for used to get a Christmas list and go out with dinners for people. What group would allow that?
---mikefl on 11/13/06

I have worked for the Salvation Army as well. and I don't agree with everything that they do, but I will continue to support them because they have the most effencient means of doing their services in our area. I am personal friends with many officers and "soldiers" (we call him private since he didn't go through the officer training yet) and they don't support much of the policies either and are working to correct them.
---Jared on 11/13/06

Judge them on what they do, Many people can call them a Cult and feel good about themselves but without the SA our churches would all be hurting, because they are ministering to the poor in a way many of our churches have not even thought about. Continue to Give, because they help many people. and they do (or are supposed to) present the Gospel to everyone they help.
---Jared on 11/13/06

ALL churches should be social,services we are commanded to love people and that being so it will mean being involved when they are in need and if possible meeting the need often in practical ways providing food clothinmg warmth shelter hoiusework babysitting etc read mattheerw 7
---doree4573 on 11/13/06

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Jared. Yes that is the organization I am talking about. I am speaking first hand as a retired employee. We were on our way to becoming Envoys when an officer asked my husband how he would evangelize a particular cult group if we were sent to a particular city where there are many. My husband said, "The same way I would evangelize anyone. I would tell them the truth about Jesus Christ." The officer replied, "How would you do it without offending them because they are good donors?"
---Susie on 11/13/06

Jared...We do them personally although our church does them. Would you still give if you knew they were going to give benefits to the "domestic partners" of their employees? This includes same-sex and living in sin relationships. They tried to do this in their Western Territory a few years ago because they were losing millions in contract dollars. After Christians stood up and opposed it (including Dr. James Dobson) they rescinded the decision.
---Susie on 11/13/06

There was a time in my life when I gave this organization 10% of my profits from business deals. On discovering what you refer to I immediately quit.
---mima on 11/13/06

Are you talking about the Salvation Army, perchance?

There is a historical reason why they do not observe the sacraments, but I don't remember what it is. I'm sure you can find it on line.
---Jack on 11/13/06

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If churches would do their jobs according to the instruction in the Word, there would be no need for social services of any kind. They could end! However, I would be wary of a "church" who didn't believe in baptism or communion and represents themselves as a social service agency. Something just doesn't smell right here.
---Crystal on 11/13/06

To me that sounds like a social agency & not a church. Baptism whether you believe in dunking, pouring or sprinkling I will not argue that and communion Jesus said do this in remembrance of me-usually do occur in churches. U dont have to do them at chruch but most do because it is lovely to participate together in such a holy moment. Baptism can be in a river etc. communion also can be any where but again its is a beautiful thing to celebrate as brothers & sisters.
---Jeanne on 11/13/06

donate if you want. it's probably a better charity than most. baptism is a greek word that means to change completly on the inside. that is why we cannot enter heaven without being changed. the dipping in water is a show of that change. real communion means eating together. i don't know if that is even Biblical
---tony on 11/12/06

that depends on if their ministry is something you support. I know you are talking about the Salvation Army and I think you are being very nieve and harsh. They have done great good for our world and nation and are servants of God. there are differing view on the sacraments and I think that they don't really matter. But many people put all the emphosis on the symbols and not the truth. I don't think any symbol is necisary and I fully support the Salvation Army and any ministry that I agree with.
---Jared on 11/12/06

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I only ask is your church doing what the church you are degrading does? if they aren't then maybe you should consider why not. we are called to serve in our world, and to help those that are hurting, if your church isn't then support a ministry that does.
---Jared on 11/12/06

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