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Billy Graham And Salvation

What did Billy Graham mean regarding his belief about salvation in the May 31, 1997 interview with Robert Schuller?

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Some 1 say God's preachers? Just dont think so. They'r teaching stuff that the rcc the mother apostate church started. They dont care for your soul, they'r preaching to those that have itching ears for you to send them your money.
---Lawrence on 3/13/10

There's a guy on youtube who is screaming as to why 'Billy is going to Hell', squawking chapter and verse as though Billy had never read them. Per 1940's Billy: he didn't have the resources that we have today, and in finding his spiritual feet he made decisions, as we do in the battle for truth every day (if you're not in the battle then your faith emetic). Many Christians who are indignant, or using the bible to aid their own self-righteousness, or have just emerged from the world have this crossword complex: they pick up someone's partially completed crossword, solve a few more clues, and then hold themselves above the previous cruciverbalist, and if they find an incorrect answer then they call down brimstone on him/her. Luke 9:51-55.
---John_II on 3/13/10

Glen I am with Donna66 on this subject. You say you are concern about the people who might have been hurt through Billy Graham's ministry. How can they be hurt? When God wants to save someone, He saves him. Salvation is not depended upon man but upon God. It is His grace after all that saves individuals. And His Word does not return void, but accomplishes that for which He sent it. Billy Graham is only a vessel and not only Him but people around him who make up his ministry. If no Truth is spoken no salvation can be done. For faith comes from hearing, hearing the Word of God. And those that don't hear the Truth continue the path they were already in.
---MarkV. on 3/13/10

I was converted at a 1984 BG UK rally. I couldn't tell you what he preached on that evening, but I know I was with my parents, where it was and that it was the first time I felt spiritual eyes opened. I was brought up in a Christian home and went to a Bible-believing church, but God saw fit to work through Billy's preaching. Like all of us, Billy is human and has made mistakes and said some "interesting/un-founded" things. It used to worry me until I realised that God works through anyone. I just know he was used as an important vessel in my life and that he has produced fruit (he quoted that those not following after 10 years were merely "Billy converts"). I don't agree with all he says. One day I will speak to him.
---simon7348 on 3/11/10

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Ac 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Ac 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

...the words of the Apostles, Peter and Paul: and Ananias (to Paul)

"...If baptism were a requirement for salvation, we would certainly say that..." ...Billy Graham

Ya gotta wonder if Billy ever read the Acts of those taught "salvation" by Jesus.
---BruceB on 3/10/10

God's preachers are being attacked left and right, today. I did not see this interview. But for the lost man, you don't understand much what God's preachers are saying. Why don't you get saved and then mabe you will know something.
---catherine on 11/13/09

Glenn -- I follow these blogs to learn (and I learn a lot)....AND to debate when I have a different viewpoint. I thought that was one of the functions of these blogs. If we all thought the same, nobody would be interested in blogs of Christianet at all.

Apparently you feel that many have been hurt by BG... that you you have a ministry of trying to help the those hurting. Somehow your compassionate motives didn't come through to me in your posts.

It sounded to me as if you were only out to be critic of a man whom I KNOW to have led many people to the Lord in the early years of his ministry.

I, myself, am more concerned about current false teachers that people listen to. But everyone must do what they feel called to do.
---Donna66 on 11/10/09

Do you blog because you believe that you have an appropriate comment, and want to learn, or because you like to debate. Are you concerned with the people that may have been hurt by his ministry, or only in giving an opinion. 1Corinthians:1-3, 1Timothy 6:4.
11/4, 5, The evidence of injustice was available through the Russian exiles' testimony, and Billy talked to the 'Siberian Seven' in the U.S. Embassy. I visited the U.S.S.R. in 78, didn't take the Potyomkin village tour, and definitely had a different opinion than did Mr. Graham.
---Glenn on 11/9/09

One of the best researched books I've ever read is called" Billy Graham and friends" was written by a lady bythe name of Cathy Burns.
I too thought that Billy Graham was a victim of rumor and envious untruths. So I decided to do a little study and within two days I ran across this book. This book is a real eye opener. To deny the obvious is to expose one's prejudice!
---mima on 11/9/09

I think this is beating a dead horse...oooops, bad analogy as BG is over 90 and in bad health.
He's not a force in Christendom any more.
Why expend all this energy in discrediting statements that hardly anybody remembers.

There are contemporary teachers of Universalism. How about former Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong, who has been seen on 60 Minutes as well as appearances on Good Morning America, Fox News Live, Politically Incorrect, Larry King Live, The O'Reilly Factor, William F. Buckley's Firing Line, and Extra. He lectures to standing room only crowds in the US and the UK. He teaches "A New Christianity for a New World"... hair raising for genuine believers in Christ.
---Donna66 on 11/8/09

Mima ... having dropped all these darks and damaging hints about Billy Graham's nefarious tactics. don't you think you should honestly come out with some facts?
You should not damn someone in this way.
Either put up or shut up.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 12/1/06

If mima did or didn't I didn't see. But, Glen sure did....PUT UP. Articles about him right here in the U.S. and his ...unbiblical comments/stands. One thing to hold these as an idividual...its another to hold/teach them as a supposed pastor.
Jeremiah 23:1
Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Careful to never have said to much about Billy boy...but, sure do have some thoughts!
---Trav on 11/6/09

Mr. Graham, ecumenicist / inclusivist / universalist.
Parade Magazine 10/20/96, ..."I respect other paths to God." McCall's Magazine 1/78, "I used to believe that pagans in far off countries were lost going to hell if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognizing God through nature for instance and plenty of other ways of saying yes to God." Jesuit Belmont Abbey 11/67, "The Gospel that built this School and the Gospel that brings me here tonight is still the way to salvation."
1Corinthians 9:24-27, Philippians 2:11-16, James3.
---Glenn on 11/6/09

Also, Glenn, remember, the public in general didn't know much about these countries, as American news reporters (and Americans in general) were seldom allowed in. 24 hour news was not developed. Most people correctly concluded that there was wide-spread oppression in these countries, but there was a limited amount of actual evidence.
---Donna66 on 11/5/09

In 1978,82 and 92.. If you had visited Russia and Korea during these years you probably would have had the same impression... "I saw no evidence of religious persecution in Russia." "the North Koreans seemed 'relaxed and happy'."
Any visiting Americans were carefully sheltered from any sights that would appear otherwise! Anything disturbing would be quicly explained away.

"Mao Tse-Tung's eight precepts are basically the same as the Ten Commandments."
To the Chinease they were! Communision has all the hallmarks of a "religion". And some of the ideolgy sounds highminded and just. Unselfishness is emphasized.

I saw Graham as a kindly, but naive clergyman, easily persuaded by appearances.
---Donna66 on 11/4/09

Mr. Graham said.
After a Russian woman was arrested for holding up a sign saying that there were more than 150 people imprisoned for practicing their Christian faith, "We detain people in the United States if we catch them doing things that are wrong. I have had people coming to my services in the United States causing disturbances and they have been taken away by the police." Moscow Peace Conference 1982, "I saw no evidence of religious persecution in Russia." Good Morning America 4/6/92, the North Koreans seemed "relaxed and happy." Mainichi Daily News 5/28/78, "Mao Tse-Tung's eight precepts are basically the same as the Ten Commandments."
1Corinthians 3:17-20, 2Timothy 2:26, Hebrews 12:15.
---Glenn on 11/4/09

Mr. Graham has been properly rebuked by several people for ecumenicism (especially with Romanism) notably by Bryce Augsburger, James Bennet, Wilson Ewin, Robert Ketcham, Carl McIntire, John R. Rice, G. Archer Weniger, and Charles Woodbridge. 1956, "Then well send them to their own churches - Roman Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish"... McCalls magazine 1/1978, ..."Ive found that my beliefs are essentially the same as those of orthodox Roman Catholics, for instance. ...We only differ on some matters of later church tradition."
Romans 16:17-18, 1Corinthians 5:6-8, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, 11:3-4.
---Glenn on 11/4/09

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I agree with what he said in 1948,49,54. except for the part about Roman Catholicism which he felt misled many people.(though I understand his objections...prayer to Mary and saints,praying people out of "purgatory" etc.) I believe RCs can certainly be Christian.
For WHAT and BY WHOM was he rebuked...and WHEN? These are important details. His view in 1948 was standard Evangelical belief at the time.
---Donna66 on 10/29/09

Mr. Graham has been properly rebuked several times, but has not repented.
In 1948, he said: "The three gravest menaces faced by Orthodox Christianity are Communism, Roman Catholicism, and Mohammedanism."
1949: "Communism is inspired, directed, and motivated, by the Devil himself."
1954, he wrote: "Either Communism must die, or Christianity must die," "because it is actually a battle between Christ and the anti-Christ."
John 4:34, 8:29-32, 13:35, 1Corinthians 9:27, 16:22, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, Galatians 1:6-12, 2John 1:6-11.
---Glenn on 10/29/09

Glenn you are not quoting the "early" Billy Graham. Alan of UK is correct about his preaching in the late 1950's, which was the peak of his ministry. In his later years he became quite the liberal.
---Donna66 on 10/28/09

Glenn ... I don't know when you heard the early Billy Graham, but when I heard him in the late 50's he did not preach against anything except sin ... He preached Jesus & Salvation.

He did not preach against Roman catholicism, because he recognised rightly that they were Christian.

He did not preach against Socialism, because he recognised rightly that Christianity is not to do with politics.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/25/09

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The early Billy Graham preached the gospel and spoke against Islam, Roman Catholicism, and Socialism. The later one preached ecumenicism / inclusivism / universalism * and proposed the same.
Excerpt, "I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ." "They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven."
* Universalism meaning that there are ways to be saved other than to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior.
---Glenn on 10/24/09

DDM -Thousands share your experience. Some Christians still love to defame him, though.
He pre-dated the modern TV evangelists by many years...never used their gimmicks...just straightforward preaching from the Bible. He's became quite liberal in his old age... that's what upsets people. BUT He's without a doubt, done more for the kingdom of God than anyone who criticizes him.
---Donna66 on 10/23/09

He's just another rich soothe sayer minister Not giving the True Message of God's Salvation Plan. The such like preachers say, repeat aft me, the sinners prayer, easy believism etc. Yes you got to have faith, & faith without works is dead, even God's Salvation.
---Lawrence on 10/21/09

Apparently he is a powerful figure in the coming along of the Antichrist. Just google his name and the appropriate other keyword you can think of and find out.
---frances008 on 3/13/08

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I have read a lot of very negative stuff about Billy Graham and his links to the New World Order. I saw him once in London at one of those huge rallies. I was not overly impressed with him. I bought a book he wrote, which was a good book, but I gave it to someone to witness to them. He did not change my life as an ignorant Catholic, one iota. I would still be in my ignorance if it was not for my getting messages from some other person.
---frances008 on 3/13/08

He said a Blessing & a Prayer over me when i was 18 living in Oki,Japan.(1980)
I still have the Books he gave me.
My Grandmother loved him & we would watch him when i was a Littleboy(5),
She would be Very Proud to know that I Found Salvation & was able to be Blessed enough to have that Experience, Thank You Grandma, For Planting that SEED of Love, whos roots are dug in deeper than an Alabama Tick :)
NO STORM BENDS THIS TREE, ON a Firm Foundation(Jesus) have i Built this House!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/13/08

Maybe you could tell us what he said, or better yet ask him yourself.
---Pharisee on 3/13/08

#3. "Nelson Edman "Ned" Graham is the youngest of Billy and Ruth Graham's children. Formerly in pastoral ministry, he is president of East Gates International, which prints and distributes Bibles to Christians throughout the People's Republic of China."

source: Religionlink.
---augua9846 on 12/3/06

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*All 5 of Graham's kids are gloriousyly serving the Lord*

Are they ever. I looked the other 3 up and here is what I found.

"Ruth Graham is the third child of Billy and Ruth Graham. Formerly acquisitions editor for HarperCollins/San Francisco and McCracken Press, she has her own speaking ministry and is a writer. She is the author of In Every Pew Sits a Broken Heart and co-author of I'm Pregnant... Now What?

---augua9846 on 12/3/06

#2. She serves on the board of Birthmothers, which assists women facing unplanned pregnancies, and on the board of trustees of Mary Baldwin College, from which she graduated cum laude. She is writing a book about her mother, called Legacy of Love."

"Virginia "Gigi" Graham Tchividjian is the oldest daughter of Billy and Ruth Graham. She is a speaker and author of inspirational books."

---augua9846 on 12/3/06

mima. All 5 of Graham's kids are gloriousyly serving the Lord. Scripturally, this is one way we are allowed to discern a mans life. I'm surprised that after all the millions of people that have been led to the Lord that you would say Billy has little if any concept of salvation. It's sad to see that Rev. Herb has had such a negative impact on your opinion of one of the greatest soul winners of all time.
---john on 12/2/06

Mima, you refer to 'both' of Billy Graham's children. You say you have studied the man yet you think he has only two children. He actually has 5. You are probably only aware of the two who are high profile. Anne Graham Lotz and Franklin Graham.
---m.p.a. on 12/1/06

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Mima ... having dropped all these darks and damaging hints about Billy Graham's nefarious tactics. don't you think you should honestly come out with some facts?
You should not damn someone in this way.
Either put up or shut up.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 12/1/06

"Billy Graham has a wonderful salvation message he has little if any concept of salvation ."

Wow Mima! That's a pretty grandious statement. Are you absolutely sure "you" (or anyone else on this blog -- myself included) know what's in Rev. Graham's heart? It's okay -- no need to reply. I know the answer to the question. :)
---Leon on 11/30/06

Leon, I found the rest of the interview for you. I've never seen a copy from the original source or the entire interview yet -only the edited version that's usually posted on the hate sites (what I'm posting is the ending that they usually omit). cont
---augusta on 11/29/06

2. I did a search on Schuller's site and found interviews with Graham but none on this particular date. I also searched for the following source where I found the interview: "Reported by The Christian News, October 20, 1997, page 15". I searched for magazine back issues & other publications and none exist under this title.
---augusta on 11/29/06

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3. SCHULLER: What, what I hear you saying, that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?
---augua9846 on 11/29/06

4.GRAHAM: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."

"SCHULLER: I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

Christian Worldview Network
---augusta on 11/29/06

Hi Mima! If we just for a 2nd seperate the man from his ministry he has done more then most even in that area, not that works get us there- no of course not, but we do have "fruit". His fruit-- his many children all love Jesus, married all these yrs to the same woman & still in love, no scandals of sex, drugs, money. He lives in the same area, same house, same friends that in itself speaks loudly. He is old, sick now & that was 10 yrs ago-many things change in that amount of time. Peace sister!
---Jeanne on 11/29/06

Leon you're sweet stay that way. I person can agree/disagree it is how U say it, with a pointed finger or an out stretched hand. U do it w/an out stretched hand. That is a gift. I agree and do believe Rev Herb but since Billy Graham has been so sick I dont know his position any more on that topic, so I give him the benefit of the doubt as my brother. Shalom Brother!
---Jeanne on 11/29/06

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Augua9846: "...for those who love God yet never had the opportunity to hear the gospel....". Interesting!

Do you mean like people who know in their heart there's a Creator of heaven & earth (John 1:1-5) who has a higher purpose, a higher calling for our lives that transcends the physical realm & reality of this world?
---Leon on 11/29/06

Pharisee: St. John's Wort, you may want to try it. :)

Shiela & Jeanne: Believe it or not, the 1st time I heard of the subject interview was when Rev. Herb mentioned it on the Benny Hinn blog. I didn't know & I'm shocked! Nonetheless, I agree Jeanne, we " all " have clay feet & have come short of God's glory . The Bible is full of people (like me, Billy Graham, etc.) who've blown it; yet, God has taken the mess & turned it into success....
---Leon on 11/29/06

I have carefully read all Rev. Herb's post. I can say with absolute certainty everything Rev. Herb says in his post about Billy Graham is true. I was invited to take part in the Billy Graham evangelistic Crusade and I am certain of the facts. After my experience with the Crusade I began to study about Billy Graham, while Billy Graham has a wonderful salvation message he has little if any concept of salvation. Interestingly both of his children are very well grounded in salvation.
---mima on 11/29/06

That is almost 10 years ago. People change, grow-he made mistakes, we all make mistakes- but how many can honestly say they served God as faithful as this man has?
---Jeanne on 11/29/06

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Smart man. I sure hope if I die tomorrow that my young children continue to learn their own faith first - the faith the good Lord who created them allowed them to be born into - before running off to the first stranger who claims truth.
---augua9846 on 11/28/06

Billy Graham turns Catholic converts back to Catholic religion
These poor people come forward to receive Christ but when the Billy Graham counsellors get to 'em they turn them back over to Catholic priests--keeping them in the same system of bondage!
In 1957, Graham said, "Anyone who makes a decision at our meetings is seen later and referred to a local clergyman, Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish." (San Francisco News).
---Rev_Herb on 11/28/06

At Billy Graham's 1984 Vancouver, British Columbia crusade, the vice-chairman of the organizing committee said, "If a Catholic steps forward there will be no attempt to convert them and their names will be given to the Catholic church nearest their homes" (Vancouver Sun, Oct. 5, 1984). [Lord, have mercy!]
---Rev_Herb on 11/28/06

Billy Graham even had a Catholic priest SUPERVISE the 6,600 counselors for the Denver crusade. Information on the hundreds of Catholics who came forward were sent to a Catholic organization in Denver. (Wilson Ewin, Evangelism: The Trojan Horse of the 1990s).
---Rev_Herb on 11/28/06

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Billy Graham thinks that infants can become Christian through baptism. Baptism comes after faith in Jesus Christ. Look what Billy Graham told the Lutheran Standard in October 1967,
"I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant... we cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, MADE CHRISTIAN, THROUGH INFANT BAPTISM."
---Rev_Herb on 11/28/06

Billy Graham don't believe hell is literal fire
"...I think people have a hard time believing God is going to allow people to burn in literal fire forever. I think the fire that is mentioned in the Bible is a burning thirst for God that can never be quenched."
The Orlando (Florida) Sentinel for April 10, 1983
---Rev_Herb on 11/28/06

Billy Graham befriends heretics
Based on what I've read, this apparently is not an uncommon practice by Billy Graham. In 1959, he had the liberal Bishop James A. Pike lead in prayer at one of his events. Yet Pike said in an episcopal letter: "Religious myth is one of the avenues of faith and has an important place in the communication of the Gospel." He called the garden of Eden a myth and said, "The virgin birth... IS A MYTH which churchmen should be free to accept or reject..."
---Rev_Herb on 11/28/06

He meant that salvation is possible for those who love God yet never had the opportunity to hear the gospel (like the Muslims in Saudi Arabia, for example, who can be killed just for owning a bible).
---augua9846 on 11/28/06

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I have no idea what you're talking about, that was 10 years ago. Are we going to critique Billy Graham - is he a false prophet, once saved always saved, a Calvinist, a Baptist, an Equestrian, a Pedestrian......Episcolpalian, Presbyterian.
---Shiela on 11/28/06

Jesus says in Mark 16:16 " That anyone who believes and is baptised, will be saved". Also read Matt 28:19 and other chapters that talk about Salvation. Then you will know the truth. Many people don't believe in baptism by water but the Bible mentions it as being very important if one wants to be truly Saved.
---Dale on 11/28/06

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