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Differences Of Various Laws

I read in my Bible that there are two different sets of laws.. Laws of Moses Det 31:24-26 and the 10 commandments of God in Exodus. What are the differences in these two sets of laws?

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 ---max on 11/30/06
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one is moral law the other is social law.
---Jared on 5/15/08

There is no indication from the verse you gave that they were separately regarded.

In Fact if you read again Deuteronomy 18:18-19 you'll see that the words of a prophet held the weight of God's commands.

Moses was one such prophet as he said.
---Pharisee on 6/11/07

tim - totally agree that the Old Testament is worthy for study as it foreshadows Christ and His ministry. Also there is much wisdom literature there for daily living. I love the Psalms & Proverbs.

In understanding the Covenants in the Old Testament, one is prepared to debate with those groups that try to impose Old Covenants laws onto the church.
---lee1538 on 12/9/06

Lee; that's it. however I do believe that the there are some very interesting things in the old laws if you really go into them that inhance the foreshadow of christ and God's purpose for us. I very much enjoy going into these scriptures in depth.
---tim on 12/9/06

tim - *If Jesus said that he would send the holy spirit to lead & guide us into all truth, then it would stand to reason that He would not lead us in a direction that would be contrary to the laws.*

If you mean moral laws - those that reflect the holiness of God, then I have to agree.

If you mean laws given only to Israel such as laws regarding food, festivals, sabbath, etc. things that were only a shadow of things to come in Christ, then the holy Spirit will not lead us to obedient to them.
---lee1538 on 12/9/06

The Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Laws were given to the Israelites to give to the world. The laws were not only for the Israelites. The Israelites were chosen to spread God's presence. God wants all His creation back to the Garden of Eden. The Israelites were the "priests" so to speak of the world. They failed and the Christian was grafted into the vine of promises. Now, today, Christians are failing.
---Steveng on 12/8/06

If Jesus said that he would send the holy spirit to lead us and guide us into all truth, then it would stand to reason that He would not lead us in a direction that would be contrary to the laws. But if we don't know the law how will we learn to know the difference in listening to the Holy sprit or a false spirit? I guess that means their is a higher calling than reading and obeying law but knowing and obeying the law giver . God said he would write his law on our inward parts so..........
---tim on 12/8/06

Steveng - *If the 10Cs are what we are to obey, why do some take away the 4th commandment?*

Bec they belong to the Old Covenant dispensation, the church abides under the New covenant and is under the law of Christ; not the Mosaic law given to Israel.

While both covenant are from the same Author, both contain all the moral laws that man should follow but you can see that the sababth commandment has nothing to do with moral law as it was a sign of the covenant between God & Israel alone.
---lee1538 on 12/8/06

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And if all that was necessary was to "follow laws" that could be looked up in a book, WHY did Jesus say He would send the Paraclete (literally sidekick) to lead us into all truth?
---Jack on 12/8/06

**Jack: You say that the Laws passed away? If God commanded us to obey Him and Jesus put away the laws, then what do we obey?**

Not what, WHOM: Jesus.

If we could be saved by obeying rules, there would be no need for Jesus. Judaism would have sufficed, or not even Judaism but Buddhism.
---Jack on 12/8/06

Lee: Allow me to help you understand the car anology. If the Ten Commandments are what we are to obey, why do some take away the fourth commandment? Then we only have Nine Commandments. Why not take another and we could have Eight?

Jack: You say that the Laws passed away? If God commanded us to obey Him and Jesus put away the laws, then what do we obey?
---Steveng on 12/7/06

Steveng - you really need to find a good respectable commentary on the book of Acts. When the Jerusalem council convened, it was to decide if for the Gentiles it "was needful to circumcise them, AND to command them to keep the law of Moses".

The conclusion was that neither was imposed on the Gentile church.

No wonder you are so very confused on this issues as you simply do not know the Scripture.
---lee1538 on 12/7/06

Jack: You say that the Laws passed away? I beg to differ. Do you know the definition of fulfill in this case? It means Jesus obeyed the laws without fail. And He fulfilled what the prophets said. If he done away with the law, why did he give us two commandments which are the Ten Commandmed abbreviated which are all the 613 Mosaic laws abbreviated. Have you ever read the 613 Mosaic laws? All can be catagorized under the Ten Commandments. And ALL can be catagorized under the Two Commandments. Amazing, eh?
---Steveng on 12/6/06

Steveng - *A car has ten major parts to it. Would you purchase a car having only nine?*

Not sure what you are talking about but I would wonder what to do with a car that has something on it that did not have a function or really necessary.

It is the same with the ceremonial Sabbath commandment, it no longer has a function in the life of the Christian since it was fulfilled in Christ and depicts that rest that all believers have entered into. - Heb. 4.
---lee1538 on 12/6/06

You read wrongly, Max.

The Bible knows of only ONE law: The Law--an integral whole which to break one part is to offend against the whole.

Read Leviticus 19, where so-called ceremonial laws and moral laws are all mixed up, and right in the middle of them is the injunction "Keep my decrees."

Jesus either fulfilled ALL the Law (and hence it has ALL passed away), or He fulfilled NONE of it (and we are still in our sins).

There's no third alternative.
---Jack on 12/6/06

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Which of the two would you really desire? That which came through Moses or that which came through Jesus Christ?
---lee1538 on 12/5/06

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Lee: "The New Covenant contains all the 10 commandments except the ceremonial Sabbath commandment..."

A car has ten major parts to it. Would you purchase a car having only nine? And even if you picked up the car on a great deal, you would still need to purchase the tenth part to get the car going.
---Steveng on 12/5/06

Terri - *If one would read Hebrews 9 you will see that the 10 commandments are NOT part of the covenant that was done away with.*

Not true as the 10 Commandments are part of a single covenant given through Moses.

The view that there were 2 covenants given through Moses is faulty bec by definition a covenant is an agreement with stipulations given between 2 parties at a given time.

In the Mosaic legislation, there is only one covenant involved - the one between God & Israel only.
---lee1538 on 12/4/06

Terri - Hebrews 9 speaks of Christ being the mediator of a NEW Covenant (9:5); if a New Covenant then what has happened to the Old? It was declared obsolete - see 8:13.

Hebrews 9:5 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance,...

The New Covenant contains all the 10 commandments except the ceremonial Sabbath commandment. They are summarized by the command to love ones neighbor. See Romans 13:9-10
---lee1538 on 12/4/06

Since we are talking about about laws
In Bible school a little diddy helped me remember between Sadducees and Pharisee the Saddusees were Sad you see because they did not believe in the reserection of the dead. The pharisee were Fair you see because they knew they would live again.
---Jeanne on 12/4/06

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What laws did the early Christians live by? Jesus spoke harshly to the Pharisees, but he said, "the teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
---Steveng on 12/4/06

If one would read Hebrews chapter 9 you will see that the 10 comandments are NOT part of the covenant that was done away with. If we didn't have the ten comandments our world would have destroyed itself a long time ago since thats what all our laws are actually based on. Where does all this laws of love,etc come from? Not from the Bible. Any one that adds anything to the word of God is sinning themselves. Any other book that claims to be another teaching of Jesus is also wrapped in sin.
God bless
---Terri on 12/4/06

Pharisee - *This is a false teaching to bring someone else under the yoke of Sabbath keeping.*

it truly amazes me of the arguments that Adventists use to shoehorn their beliefs into the Bible. What they really have is the scraps of the Galatians heresy that Paul had to address - that jewish laws needed to added to grace for salvation.

---lee1538 on 12/4/06

Interesting that when Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was he quoted Moses' writings.

Read what I said at the beginning, the Decalogue and the moral law were not separately regarded!

This is a false teaching to bring someone else under the yoke of Sabbath keeping.
---Pharisee on 12/4/06

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bob - *You seem to have a convoluted idea about His laws...*

No, I simply believe that Christ my Lord fulfilled all the requirements of the law for me when He died on the Cross.

He is my Savior, not my obedience to laws.

His Spirit however, has taught me to love my neighbor 1 John 4:7f

Perhaps what you subscribe to in advocating obedience to law - esp. the Sabbath commandment - is really that "another gospel" that Paul referred to? 2 Cor. 11:5,Gal. 1:6
---lee1538 on 12/4/06

#1 Christ fulfilled the law, we are under grace. Why do we as humans want to have a law to go by. I believe it is because it satisfies our old sinful nature in that it gives us something to work for, to take credit for. If we accept that Christ fulfilled the law and accept His grace, we are only required to love God and love our neighbor, God does the work in us. If you want to be legal, you can't be in His grace.
---Debbie on 12/4/06

#2 Remember there are over 600 laws, and if you break one of them, you have broke them all. I would rather accept God's grace and walk in the Spirit and not be concerned after the law. What freedom, what liberty we have in Christ!
---Debbie on 12/4/06

Lee, you read Ingas blog on the meaning of the 10 commandments and see if she/he is right. I guarantee you, she/he has quoted everything right and by you going against the laws of God, your going against God Himself..Not the sdas, they preach what the bible says and the only ones on this blog explaining things well and more so than you. You seem to have a convoluted idea about His laws..
---bob on 12/4/06

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lucy, please enlighten me. I have heard this before, that the 10 Commandments and Mosaic law are separate covenants, & I would enjoy an explination.
---Ryan on 12/3/06

Bob - Sorry I made you angry with what I stated but in some ways you make me feel like Stephen (Acts 6) as "they could not withstand the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking".

*Yes and the 10 commandments a transcript of His character (Christ)*.

It is apparent from His ministry and what He did on the Cross for us that 'love' is really a transcipt of His character. You may want to study 1 Cor. 13 and what it states there.
---lee1538 on 12/3/06

lucy - *Mosaic and 10 commandments are clearly explained in the bible and are two separate covenants*

Definitely not true at all since both entities were given to the same party for the same purpose and during the same time frame.

A covenant is an agreement containing various stipulations between parties. There are hardly any in the 10 commandments by themselves.

Those that the believe that they are 2 different covenants do so in order to support their denominational viewpoints.
---lee1538 on 12/3/06

Max...Bob has given you a good and excellent reply..check it and go by the Word, not by mans teachings...Mosaic and 10 commandments are clearly explained in the bible and are two separate study it carefully and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. God bless.
---lucy on 12/3/06

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The Ten Commandments done away with? Hogwash. "Thou shalt not lie." If the commandments were done away with does that mean we can lie? God forbid. Or what about the other 519 ordinances? If I break something of yours, do I replace it or tell you "tough luck."? "What," you may say, "about sacrifices?" What did God say about the importance of sacrafice in the OT? The OT was animal sacrifice to obey God, the NT is our personal sacrifice on a daily basis.
---Steveng on 12/2/06

Nothing changed from the beginning, even until this very day. Everything God has commanded was, is, and ever shall be. And not one iota of anything in the Holy Scriptures, the Word of God, changes. God was, is and ever shall be and so is everything He said. He never goes back on His word or He's a liar. And I don't think you want that on your conscious, do you? Love your God with all your heart... love your neighor... are two commandments that combine every and all other commandments and ordinances.
---Steveng on 12/2/06

Lee, we give u biblical truths in texts and your just showing your opposition to God's truth.10 Commands not laws of love???God is not a God of Love??? Whose character does the bible teach we must conform to? Christ. Yes and the 10 commandments a transcript of His character.Are you still going to say thats a load of??? Waste of time you being christian dont you think? get away from SDA???. They are preaching truth and your not brother. You have a contorted idea about God's Laws.
---bob on 12/3/06

Bob - *The Law of God(10Cs)or 2 tablets of Testimony"),also known as the Moral Law, the Law of Love, and the Decalogue.*

The Decalogue = 10 commandments - Dictionary.

One can hardly view the 10 commandments as "the law of love" in light of the fact that the New Testament refers to them as "the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, ... which was being brought to an end,.. 2 Cor. 3:7

Get away from the Adventists & find some good solid biblical teachings.
---lee1538 on 12/2/06

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Keep in mind that the stone tablets are a ministry of death.
---Ryan on 12/2/06

1 Kings 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, & his commandments, & his judgments, & his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest...

Seems this verse indicts that the Law of Moses consists of the entirely of the Mosaic legislation.

Those that advocate otherwise are promoting their own denominational beliefs.
---lee1538 on 12/2/06

There are two different bodies of Law, but it is called the Old Testamen, Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C., and the New Testament, Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D.
---Eloy on 12/2/06

Max: go with me to John8:31Jesus said if we continue in His Word, we will know the truth, and truth will set us free. 2Tim2:14 read. Col2:14 many christians believe this is the 10Cs but read "handwriting of ordinances that was against us" Bible speaks of 2Laws: The Law of God(10Cs)or 2 tablets of Testimony"),also known as the Moral Law, the Law of Love, and the Decalogue. 2The Law of Moses(the Book of Law, or Bk of the Covenant)also known the Ceremonial Law n Mosaic Law
---bob on 12/2/06

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