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Bereans Or Philosphers

The Bereans of Acts 17:10-12, or the philosphers of Mars Hill [Acts 17:15-34]? Which do you think we should resemble?

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 ---bob6749 on 12/1/06
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Pharisee --

Right you are. I remember a long-ago statement that went something like this:

One who lives on the Written Word alone, dries up.
One who lives on the Spirit alone, puffs up.

I think there was a third line, but I don't remember it. I would say that both God's Word and God's Spirit, together, give us a balanced Christian walk. In order to recognize the voice of the Holy Spirit one must be familiar (hopefully more than "familiar") with God's Word, the Bible. And without the guidance of the Bible, one cannot be filled by His Holy Spirit.
---Donna66 on 4/24/09

Acts 17:4, Some believed. 5-9, "Jews which believed not" and "lewd fellows of the baser sort" cause problems. 11, ..."they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily,whether those things were so." 12, Many believed. 13, "But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people."
The applicable lesson for Christians would be to do the same as verse 11, and not as verses 5-9 and 13. Any 'spiritual revelation' must be compared to the Bible, 2Corinthians 2:17, Philippians 1:9-10, Titus 2:7.
---Glenn on 4/23/09

while on the surface it seems very admirable to pour over the scriptures and check everything according to it, but that indeed is playing catch up. If we know Jesus through the Holy Spirit, and we know his words, we'll hear his voice and follow him.

I'm really not making this up.

It's not wrong or bad to study, but it's also not a legitimate replacement for life in the spirit either.

Do you think it's right for God to give his Spirit, and then we don't trust it?
---Pharisee on 1/12/08

All men should try to pattern themselves after the BEREANS. Every day a man calls me to find out information about the Bible. To Find were scriptures are that he can prove other scriptures with. He needs( as we all do) to keep searching the scriptures.
---mima on 5/6/07

The take I have on this subject basically is, the bereans "searched the scriptures daily" to prove/feed their spiritual man. While on Mars Hill Paul was moved by an alter to The Unknown god, which he declared to them, previously being called a babbler by these secular 'scholars', most of who were content to debate issues of their day much as the barren cursed fig tree & some in our present day. Similiar also to the 10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish, different results.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 12/10/06

well in the sense of the question I'd hope we were like the Bereans. But I dont' think this shoudl be a pattern or evangilism. the best way to evangilize or to assemble is what works in the community your are in. Paul tried Mars Hill because that was the gathering place, it didn't work like he wanted but it did work. Berea was different than Athens, just as my town is differnt then yours. what is best in my town isn't necissarily best in yours.
---Jared on 12/4/06

1. 'Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.' Acts 17:10-11

---augua9846 on 12/4/06

2. The point wasn't that the Bereans studied the Scriptures more than the Thessolonian Jews or any of the other Jews for that matter. The point was the Bereans were "fair-minded" in that they were open to hearing the gospel message from Paul, while the Thessalonian Jews had hardened their hearts to any new message that refuted their preconceived beliefs.
---augua9846 on 12/4/06

Pharisee: I'm not trying to be contentious. I just want to make sure "we" get it right. No offense intended; but, I think you missed the point.

I didn't imply nor am I trying to equate "human effort" to the work of the Holy Spirit (God). Certainly, it was nothing short of God working in & thru the apostles...

What I've said & yet am saying is that everything went as JESUS SAID it would on the day of Pentecost. (John 14: 15-31; Acts 2:1-41).

Peace! :)
---Leon on 12/4/06

By the way Pharisee, what good is it to be in "the movie" if you don't know your lines because you didn't study the Director's script ( ure )? :/
---Leon on 12/2/06

Because when it the holy Spirit doing the work (as it ought to be) it can't fail.
Human effort doesn't equate when God is at work, there's no comparison.
---pharisee on 12/3/06

Pahrisee. They didn't give that great message because of how learned they were...

That was exactly my point.
---Pharisee on 12/3/06

Pahrisee. They didn't give that great message because of how learned they were in the Scriptures. They had all that knowledge already before they were in the upper room. It wasn't until the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that Jesus himself told them to wait for that they preached that message.The NT. message wasn't even written down yet. They preached it by revelation.
---john on 12/2/06

Neither one of those two are the best. It was the ones Baptized with the Holy Spirit that I would rather resemble. All the knowledge in the Bible still doesn't make you a good minister unless the Spirit quickens it all.
---john on 12/2/06

By the way Pharisee, what good is it to be in "the movie" if you don't know your lines because you didn't study the Director's script ( ure )? :/
---Leon on 12/2/06

Pharisee: Those "uneduated men" were trained by Jesus (the Word of God). On Pentecost day they were led by the Holy Spirit & spoke the word of God from what they'd been taught. Can we can agree there must be balance in every Christian's life? Knowledge before experience is the biblical norm. Zeal without God's knowledge is a formula for disaster (Ro. 10:2). Yes, we shouldn't just talk-the-talk; but, must also walk-the-walk. (Jas. 1:22-25) Lights, cameras, action!!! :)
---Leon on 12/2/06

Leon at the day of Pentecost uneducated men gave a speech that was more effective than anything I've ever heard a trained pastor say.

What were they trained in if not the scriptures? Life in the Spirit, they saw it firsthand. I am not saying one cancels the other, they definitely compliment each other, but you must have experience as well as knowledge.

What good is knowing the lines if your not in the movie? Studying scripture is fine, but being a Christian is about action.
---Pharisee on 12/1/06

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Pharisee: "playing catch up." Huh? How else can we, "know his words", unless we, "pour over the scriptures [like the Bereans] & check everything according to it..."?
You say, "not a legitimate replacement for life in the Spirit.."? How can we know for sure what we hear is from God if we don't diligently study & mediate on the word (the Bible)? Scripture shows Jesus (the Word) is subordinate to the Father & the Holy Spirit bears witness to the Word. (Jn. 14:26)
---Leon on 12/1/06

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