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Christians Go Pagan For Christmas

Jeremiah 10:2-4 Thus says the Lord: Do not learn the way of the Gentiles...the customs of the people are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest,...They decorate it with siver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers so that it will not topple. Why do some Christians get pagan Christmas trees?

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Celebrating Christmas does not make Christians pagan. We have choices as do others. I choose to have a christmas tree not that I need to have one. Its about choices.We are in this world not of this world.Nothing can make me turn my back on Christ. Chistmas trees,Easter bunnies and other traditions. I am rooted and grounded in Christ.
---Robyn on 3/10/08

To make it an idol Why do people who cite Jeremiah 10:2-4 not include verse 5? Jeremiah 10:5, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." Clearly, the reason why they brought trees into their homes was to create idols!
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/08

Why do we do it? Certainly not to make an idol.

If you are going to enforce Jeremiah. 10:2-4, ignoring verse 5, then you better go around your house and strip out any physical representation of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Fake flowers, ornaments of people places or things, dinner plates with a scene printed on it, photographs etc. etc. Anything less is pure hypocrisy.
---Bruce5656 on 6/27/07

A favorite Christmas story has to do with a missionary in Africa. Before Christmas she had been telling the students how Christians, in happiness, gave presents to others on Christ's birthday.

A few days later, on Christmas morning, one of these native students brought the missionary a beautiful, lustrous seashell. When asked where he had discovered such a shell, he said he had walked many miles to a certain ocean bay, the only spot where such shells could be found.
---Rachel on 12/14/06

Missionary said, "What a beautiful gift! It must have been a real sacrifice for you to have traveled so far to get it."

The student's eyes brightened as he replied,
"long walk part of gift!"
---Rachel on 12/14/06

Why is Christmas in December? Surely it should be in September? Tell me where in the Bible Christians are commanded to mark the birth of Christ? Why is Christmas celebrated at the same time as the pagan festival of Saturnaria? The pagans believed the sun died on December 21st and was resurrected on the 25th.
---David on 12/7/06

But the idolitry is not in the "icon" themselves it is in the people that promote the ICON over the truth. Just because some people don't celebrate christ on Christmas doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate it as christians, and if a tree encourages celebration then why is it wrong to use it. how many sunday school classes have picture bibles for the kids that can't read. that is all symbols are pictures to point to the truth.
---Jared on 12/6/06

Jack ... Childermas is to do with slaughter, but the ones I asked Herb about are not, and I await his comment.
---AlanUKquent5969 on 12/6/06

We can pick anything apart to "prove" a point. i.e. any statue is the same therefore any statue ever worshipped in idolitry is same as nativity scene. That stretches logic. My problem, real problem with xmas trees is the takeover as the ICON of Christmas. Such as a $100k+ tree in D.C. Such as many Cards. It's accepted in most homes to represent Christ. Slide out Jesus. Slide in an evergreen tree decked with ornaments, lights, & memories. That my brothers and sisters IS idol worship.
---mikefl on 12/6/06

** Herb ... can you enlighten me, as previously asked, what the meanings are of the following Lammas, Candlemas, and Michaelmas?**

Don't forget Childermas!
---Jack on 12/5/06

.herb, "mass" to you may mean "bloody sacrifice", but not to any of us who know the truth. The etymology of the suffix "-mas" in Christ-mas is an archaic word which means feast or festival. Thus Christmas means, "Festival of Christ."
---Eloy on 12/5/06

Herb ... can you enlighten me, as previously asked, what the meanings are of the following Lammas, Candlemas, and Michaelmas?
I don't think that any of these is a celebration of the death of anyone.
& Did you realise Herb, that if you rearrange the letters of the word GOD, you get DOG?
So what if Satan & Santa contain the same letters? If it did mean anything, it would damn us all, since the word Santa means saint, and we are all called to be saints.
---AlanUKqu?ent5969 on 12/5/06

Christmas does come from Christ and Mass. Mass is the worship service in the catholic tradition. yeah mass celebrates the sacrifice of Christ. Christ mass is celebrating the total life of christ. traditionally isn't it called the feast of the nativity? Anyways, I don't think any worship service can seperate the Birth life, death and resurrection of christ. It is all important and inclusive.
Santa Claus isn't satan its a transliteration of St. Nichalas. from dutch to english.
---Jared on 12/5/06

to be honest we can thank Coca-cola for making Santa more prominate in our USA culture. so if you don't like it protest Coke not Christmas.
---Jared on 12/5/06

the christmas tree, a pine decorated with apples, originated in Germany to tell the story of Adam and Eve who were banished from the garden of Eden.

but to anyone who worships a decorated Christmas tree i guess jer.10 would apply. if you could find someone who actually worships one.
---JaeR on 12/5/06

Lets see, Mass means bloody sacrifice, So Christ Mass means the bloody sacrifice of Christ. I still haven't figured out how you get this to be the birth of Christ.

You take the same letters in SANTA and change them around and they spell SATAN. So you believe that pagans are going Christian for this Holiday?????

Santa wears a red suit, Satan wears a red suit.
---Rev_Herb on 12/5/06

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Jack there are people throughout this nation that will attend church 2 times a year Christmas and Easter, and the rest of the year they will live like a pagan. this is the basis of my question.
---Jared on 12/5/06

** The real questian is why do pagans go christian for christmas? ...why do they celebrate the birth fo their judge. and then they also celebrate the grace that they reject at easter. I've never understood this.**

I don't know any pagans who celebrate the Nativity according to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, nor who celebrate His third-day Resurrection.

They might be celebrating the Winter Solstice and Spring Equinox, but that's a different matter.
---Jack on 12/5/06

The real questian is why do pagans go christian for christmas? that's where I have a problem. why do they celebrate the birth fo their judge. and then they also celebrate the grace that they reject at easter. I've never understood this.
---Jared on 12/5/06

Nativity scenes usually include a statue of Mary and animals. Similar statues are used all over the world in the form of idol worship. People of pagan religions set up little stations in their home where figurines and other items are arranged. If the scene includes "wise men", then it is not historically accurate. A star...astrologers use stars to tell fortunes. Candles...candles are used in satanic worship. A pine tree seems fairly benign compared to some of these other items.
---ralph7477 on 12/5/06

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What do MOST people think about when they see a Christmas tree? Santa, presents, etc.

In SOME people's minds, what do Christmas trees represents? Lies.("Yes, my child, there is a Santa." " If you don't behave yourself, Santa won't brIng you any presents." Even most Christians say these things.)
---Steveng on 12/4/06

**I prefer not to follow tradition.**

EVERYBODY has some kind of tradition. The question is what kind of tradition are we going to have?

In some places of the world, especially among the ancient Christian Churches of the East, Christmas trees are totally unknown.

I don't see what the point is in getting upset over a mere seasonal decoration that has ntohing particularly religious about it.
---Jack on 12/4/06

Jeremiah 10:1-14 condemns idolatry, and not Christmas trees which came into existance long after Christ was born on earth. Jeremiah here talks about the idolatry of carving statues and figures out of wood. "The woodstock speaks not, they must be carried because they cannot walk. Silver beaten into plates, the work of the hands of the metalsmith. Every metalsmith is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them." Jeremiah 10:5,8,9,14.
---Eloy on 12/4/06

I don't have anything in my house that has been given before as an object of worship by pagen/heathen cultures. Jer. reference lends itself to worshipping Nimrod & Tammuz in fertility rites. While it may be micro-examined and proven it was a slightly different tree or somewhat other decorated, I prefer not to follow tradition. I agree with Donna and display likenesses of Christian things that represent the Birth of Christ. i.e. a star, nativity, B.D. candle, etc.
---mikefl on 12/4/06

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I don't. I use a nativity set that I absolutely love. I do not put up a tree. I honor the Lord with a nativity set and people have commented on how real it looks, how nice it looks, etc.,
---Donna9759 on 12/4/06


The second commandment is Exodus 20:4, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" Yet how many of us have figurines or statuettes or photographs in our homes? The reason is because the second commandment forbids idol worship not home decorating.
---Bruce5656 on 12/4/06

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