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Let Anyone Lay Hands On You

Would you let a born again believer in Christ Jesus who is walking in MAJOR deception, blaming God for everything bad in her life, picking out Jezebel spirits in people, lay hands on you and pray for you for a physical healing?

Moderator - No way if they are walking in deception.

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rita, I agree there are many fakes. they are also all over tv. maybe we ask for prayer and can't see another's heart. God don't hold that against us.
---shira4368 on 4/7/14

Please notice that the Bible says, "If any among you be sick let him call for the Elders..."

The sick is to call for prayer. It is not the other way.

The preacher/elders/faith healers are not to call the sick. So, something must be wrong in this picture somewhere.

There is no humbleness when this other group calls for the sick. It is always an attention getting tool for them. It is, "Hey, look at what I can do."
---Elder on 4/7/14

Shira, I agree 100%. I was differentiating between 'asking' for prayer (we can choose who we ask) and the kind of meeting where someone comes around and 'decides' that they KNOW the issues of another person (someone they might never have met) and, without invitation, lays hands of that person.

It's a sad fact that some people on the platforms of certain churches are NOT WHAT THEY SEEM. Some are total fakes and some need to get their own life 'back' in line with God. God gives us discernment but, sometimes, we are still misled.

We need to pray for spiritual safety whilst in church also, not for just whilst 'in the world'.
---Rita_H on 4/3/14

rita, when we ask others to pray for us, we have no clue what shape their spiritual life is.
---shira4368 on 4/2/14

Anyone who is walking in MAJOR deception, blaming God for everything bad in their life is in no position to be offering to pray for others. She should be asking for prayer herself to help her get out of whatever she has got herself in to. Others, who realise what her lifestyle has become should be offering to pray WITH her and if she does not wish that to happen all should be praying FOR her anyway.
---Rita_H on 4/2/14

When you feel uncomfortable, get their hands off you! Be aware of what the Scripture supporting laying on hands in every such situation is, if any. It's not always Scriptur-al. There can be desirable transference, and undesirable. One time guitar singer at prayer/healing room began walking around sanctuary ans as I was sitting suddenly laid his hands on my shoulders for about 30 seconds or so. I felt uncomfortable, wanted him to stop but said to myself nothing can happen. The next morning I woke up late for church by drunken old friends suddenly at my house. I ended up missing church, drinking and smoking and entering into dangerous situations. Let those your spirit doesn't feel comfortable with pray without their hands on you.
---Attila on 4/2/14

Once there was a man that I know listens to apostate preachers. He laid hands on me to deliver me from what he discerned as a troubled spirit. Actually, I was in a great state at that moment and I was really praising God on the inside. I did not think about it too much. Firstly, I believe "laying on hands" were for the Apostles. Secondly, I know that greater is He that is in me than he who is in the world.

However, I do believe there is power in touch. Maybe, after she is done, you can then hold her and pray for a spiritual healing not holing anything back.
---aka_joseph on 4/11/10

If somebody wants to pray for me, I'm not going to subject them to an array of doctrinal questions first, or some accounting for their sins.

If they want to lay hands on me and pray for healing, I will say "thank you". (When I had cancer many people offered to pray and lay hands on me. I appreciated that they wanted to do something good. And I wanted to get well).

God is the Healer, not they.
The Holy Spirit dwells within me. I have nothing to fear from them.

If I wanted to discuss with them their beliefs or spiritual condition, I would do it at some other time.
---Donna66 on 4/11/10

This scripture is not speaking of what the above statment is talking about. It is talking about placing people in office or in leadership position. This is a warning to pastors or overseer to don't be in a rush to ordain as far as prayor God can use anyone, This text also says don't join in on anyone mess. Ephesian 5:11 or 1 Timothy3:2 and 1 Timothy 3:10. God has a way of using anyone and knowing this, it truely depends on the person and how the spirit leads. This why I like the wheat and the Tare text. God will seperate. May God Bless.
---lesia on 4/11/10

Wow why would we let someone who is blaming God for everything bad in her life with such of spirit like that lay hands on us for physical healing, that spirit she have in her could only move in us, plus if she blame God for all bad things happen to her then where she expect to get power from when she pray for healing. You should be careful who you let lay hands on you especially when it comes to healing, i think that a believer need to have a very close connection with God because most of the time we would say she tell me i'm heal, although it's God who heal us.
---Ilinda on 10/6/08

No way! If you are not walking close to God, these evil spirits can get off on you. Sorry, I did not read the question very well. Anyways the answer is probably no.
---catherine on 6/27/08

Wow, Bob, that was a great answer. Where did you go?

If I know someone has a critical, judgmental spirit, I don't want them laying their hands on me or even praying for me.
There are Christians who pray witchcraft prayers, who needs those?!!

I can pray for myself, Jesus Christ is our Mediator. He makes the crooked places straight and the rough places smooth. By the time my prayer reaches the Throne Room of God, Jesus has straightened out everything that I may have asked amiss.

I don't need a wild and crazy woman praying from her head for me.
---Donna on 6/27/08

If I knew that the God within me would change her by her putting her hand on me, then yes, because this would be an opportunity to manifest the glory of God. One time I shook my friends hand, and her eyes widened, and I asked her what was the matter, and she said that she felt something like electricity going through her when she shook my hand.
---Eloy on 6/27/08

You should always be very careful who you let pray for you. There are those people who pray against you when you think they are praying for you. It is obvious that this person is not walking in deception if you have discerned what she is doing.
---Susie on 6/27/08

Ministers involved in major deception can know it's time to repent when...
Everything you touch, rots
You're working for nothing
God's not answering your prayers
God's blessings have stopped
Your enemies are rising up against you and winning

Get ready for exposure, pride in your own power will be broken.
---Bob on 10/25/07

There are many involved in the ministry that have secret sins who are laying their hands on God's children. Adultery, squandering God's money, abusing their families...on and on.
God is exposing them. He gives them time to repent, and many should step down. If they don't, God exposes them for safety and security of the sheep.
---Bob on 10/25/07

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Cripplers of the faith have no business laying their hands on anyone else. The gift of the discerning of spirits allows false ministers, false prophets, false anything to become highly visible.

The Lord is blind to nothing.
He sees all and He is going to lift the innocent up and away from the ministers with sin. In repentance, there is restoration but those that don't yield, there is no protection from exposure. No guarantee that they will be used by God in the same capacity again.
---Bob on 10/25/07

The Bible warns that we should not let anyone lay hands upon us suddenly? What the Bible actually says is," Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure." First Timothy 5:22
---Mima on 10/25/07

1 Kings 22:20-22 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
---exzucuh on 10/25/07

Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.
1 Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
---exzucuh on 10/25/07

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If you feel uncomfortable with the actions of
of someone ministering, If you have no authority in the service you should ask the pastor about it rather than make a scene, or bring it to open discussion when it is available, If you are wrong and God is using that person and he will use people that you don't approve of, for reasons only he knows,
You will find yourself fighting against the will of God and you will lose.
---exzucuh on 10/25/07

If you are afraid of people praying for you you are weak in faith, If they are of an evil spirit they will be afraid to pray for someone who is covered in the blood and full of the Spirit. People with Jesus in them fear no men And know that greater is he in them than a false believer. Anyone who is overbearing Spiritually is in error
but you can be wrong about people operating in the Spirit if you are in error. You have the right to refuse prayer and to question
those ministering.
---exzucuh on 10/25/07

Absolutely not. The Bible warns that we should not let anyone lay hands upon us suddenly.
---Rachel*** on 10/25/07
That scripture you are using does not mean what you are using it for. It says lay hands on no man suddenly, referring to violence not
healing, we are to be slow to anger and not like the Jews who layed hands upon Jesus and tried to push him over a cliff.Matthew 18:28 and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
---exzucuh on 10/25/07

Absolutely not. The Bible warns that we should not let anyone lay hands upon us suddenly. Run away from anyone that's operating with/under a spirit of Jezebel. While she's picking 'Jezebel' out, it sounds all too 'familiar'. I'll find those older blogs that answered similar questions this summer. Don't let her manipulate or force herself on you.
---Rachel*** on 10/25/07

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I do not think so. Although Satan is a defeated foe. He gets his power from humans, because of their lack of faith. He is a liar and deceptor.
---HJ on 4/3/07

No. Let no one lay hands on you suddenly and don't go jumping in every healing line.
Some people are motivated by an unholy spirit. They may be picking up things by looking at you, being friendly, etc.
Then say "God told me this about you". It won't be God.
Knowledge from God is not from someone's head. It will edify. It's not complicated, you'll know it's from Heaven above.
---Gabrielle on 4/1/07

You have answered your own question? Someone walking in Major deception! I tend to see potential in people, but have learned through the years that that potential can only be reached if they are willing to do the work. I am a single mother and understand the hardships of supporting yourself and children alone, but it can be done. By all means continue to be a spiritual leader to her, but with caution, not to ever become involved in those things that you stated. Dana 9769
---Dana on 12/16/06

It's amazing to me that we even have to ask a question on what to do when our neighbor needs help.

If you've met God and he dwells with you why do you need to fear people or demons for that matter? I am astonished at how lax some of the attitudes are, God brings people to us so that we'll reach out when everyone else protects their own.

We are to reflect his glory and show a lost world that we believe; yea, while no one else will, how can we say we believe his promise and fear this life?
---Pharisee on 12/16/06

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No i would not.
---Betty on 12/16/06

Donna you said this person has no money and needs help, that who Jesus told us to invite to our table, the one's who take and cannot give in return.

If you have the Spirit that has overcome the world and it's master, what are you afraid of?

There is no boogie man gonna get you if you are in Christ.
---Pharisee on 12/15/06

Donna9759, Sister, If the Holy Spirit is telling you that this woman is working with deception, which isn't from God, You are not required to take her in. Offer her other alternatives, like her family or the Social/Family Services dept. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 12/14/06

Donna, It is a matter of personal choice whether you have a roommate, but I would advise against it. I myself have refused on more than one occassion because of bad experiences. They may start out ok, but soon they eat all your food, run up your phone bill into hundreds of dollars, and not only do they pick up and bring home every kind of spirit with them but they also invite demon-possesed people into your house- yuk. I had more than my fair share up clean up. Now it's just God Christ Jesus and me here.
---Eloy on 12/13/06

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It would be like having the devil and his demons move in with you. Don't let her put a guilt trip on you.
---Susie on 12/13/06

The admonition to not be unequally yoked applies equally to a situation such as yours as much as it does to marriage.

The last thing you need is to have a roommate that will drag you down, and she will. If not, you can be sure she will be an emotional and spiritual drain. Do you want to be someone's spiritual babysitter? It is one thing to be someone's counselor or advisor. It is alltogether something else to be a roommate.
---Bruce5656 on 12/13/06

No way, no how. Because whatever spirits she has on her, she can send them my way. And I don't need/want them. I would tell her to find her another place that she can afford. If you let her move in, you're letting Satan in, and girl you'll have problems after problems. but tell her in love, don't say, "Lord, God, No you can't live with me". You may like to, but that isn't saying in love.
---Rebecca_D on 12/13/06

Eloy and all the other brothers and sisters in the Lord I need your advice again. This sister has asked me several times to move into my condo with me. She can't afford rent or food and wants to live for free. I don't have a problem with that but I do have a problem with her deception. If I let her live with me, will her spirit of deception effect me? How about her oppression? and how about her self-pity, will these spirits effect me if I let her live with me in close quarters? (My condo is very small).
---Donna9759 on 12/13/06

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Donna....You cannot make her do anything. She will not listen to you because she is following the Devil. She is not following the Lord. There's a good chance she isn't even saved. Stay away from her! Pray for her! That's all you can do at this point. Let her go on and find another church where she will encounter the same problems she has now. Just remember that they are not your problems and you cannot solve them. God can.
---Susie on 12/13/06

Donna, she is "projecting". By dissing others or by speaking faults about others it somehow gives her a sense of superiority, however it is a false-sense of security, it will only temporarily make her feel elevated by putting others down. She must always return to herself and see her own shortcomings, and this makes her go out and put more and more people down. Pray for her and ask Jesus to open some doors for you so you can pray together with her, and she'll be able to experience God's grace.
---Eloy on 12/12/06

That was good comeback, Jack. Wish I could have said that to the self-appointed prophetess in my town.
---Rachel*** on 12/12/06

**She is calling herself a prophetess and saying "God told me this, God told me that,"**

I had one of those people who was always doing that, and I finally said, "That's funny. God told ME the exact opposite. Why do you suppose that is?"

She didn't know what to say.
---Jack on 12/12/06

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There is an actual thing called demonic transference, and many counselors get stuck with demonic strongholds while trying to help people who were involved in occult practices. This is nothing a real Christian can't overcome by faith, so it's not to get all goose bumpy over.

It's documented in a book called demonology past and present by the late Kurt E. Koch.

---Pharisee on 12/12/06

Eloy, got about 2 hours to spare and I'll tell you? Let me sum it up like this: Blames God that she is in poverty but only works 3 hours a day, 3 days a week. Is angry at God because HE didn't send her a husband in 30 years. Tells me all about the Jezebel spirits in people and God sent 2 prophets to her to tell her to STOP judging others and now she's saying these prophets have Jezebel spirits. Is that being majorly deceived? I think so....these prophets DO NOT have Jezebel spirits, I know them dearly.
---Donna9759 on 12/12/06

okay but here's my dilemma...she does NOT believe she is walking in deception. She thinks she's God's anointed prophetess and is going to find a church where they "appreciate her gifts." How does a Christian ever get this far? and how can I help her get out of it? She won't listen to anything I tell her, I'm always the one who's wrong, wrong, wrong.
---Donna9759 on 12/12/06

Donna...I said, "It is obvious that this person is not walking in deception if you have discerned what she is doing." I did not say she discerned. I said, "YOU" have discerned. She is definitely trying to convince people that she is a "prophetess", but is being proven a false one. She's not alone. So many people are trying to convince people that they are prophets.
---Susie on 12/12/06

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No, I wouldn't let her lay hands on me. Why let her pray in first place? If she isn't truely living for the Lord,her prayers won't be heard. It sounds like she is a "Showboat" wanting to be seen and I wouldn't play into her ill led folly.
---Darlene_1 on 12/12/06

Susie, you say: **It is obvious that this person is not walking in deception if you have discerned what she is doing.**
SHE hasn't discerned, nor admitted what she is doing. Everytime I try to tell her, she devours me and tells me all about my faults and weaknesses. She is calling herself a prophetess and saying "God told me this, God told me that," and everything she's saying God told her does NOT come to pass for the last 15 years of her life. SO she hasn't discerned anything.
---Donna9759 on 12/12/06

What kind of MAJOR deception is she walking in? If she is not Christlike, then she needs to get saved. For Jesus tells us that we will knows them by the fruits that they bear whether they are saved or not.
---Eloy on 12/12/06

No I wouldnt I am funny about such things who I let lay hands on me, touch me. I would kindly say no sister I dont wish for you to lay hands on me and be honest and tell her if she wanted to pray for me on her own that is fine.
---Jeanne on 12/11/06

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Ditto Mod. I would not want her hands on me!
It seems that she needs help.
---NV_Barbara on 12/11/06

I'd say, "Pray for me all you wish, but keep your hands to yourself."
---Jack on 12/11/06

Would you? Maybe, but only with a group of spiritualy mature believers.
---Ryan on 12/11/06

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