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Was Jesus Born With A Sin Nature

Jesus was born of a virgin, but I'm sure Mary sinned as a human being while growing up. So was Jesus born into the sin nature or was He automatically Born of the Spirit when he entered the world through Mary's womb?

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The question that entitles this blog assumes there is such a thing as a "sin nature."

There isn't. You won't find the formula anywhere in the Bible.
---katavasia on 8/10/08

The word "prayer" comes from Medieval Latin "precaria". Spanish "plegaria", meaning also "oracion" and "prayer" in English. A prayer is a plea to God as in "Give us this day...", and it may also contain worship and veneration as in "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.". It is not just talk or words. If a man in his words or in his mind begins to blaspheme God, for sure he is not praying. Temptation is no lie, rather is very real, Mark 14:38: "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." Revelation? John 17:5, Rev 1:18, Rev 22:16_19. Father and Son...
---Nana on 8/9/08

.nana, all whom truly love and accept the Lord God Jesus will obey His Commandments, and will worship him, and will follow him. Praying is talking with God and therefore yes, God talks. And temptation is being lied to and therefore yes, God is lied to daily, evenso, although people and Satan tempt God God does not yield to their temptations. Jesus says: "He that has seen me has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ending, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, the Almighty. If you all love me, My Commandments keep." John 14:9+ 8:58+ Revelation 1:8+ John 14:15.
---Eloy on 8/8/08

How could Jesus be TEMPTED to sin if it was something he was inherently unable to do?

We are tempted when we entertain the idea of doing something that would be wrong.

The Bible says... Hbr 4:15... For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.

It's difficult to imagine Jesus EVER being tempted by some of the sins that tempt us.
but that's what this passage plainly states.

There is no comfort in this verse if Jesus was incapable of sinning. The point is that He CHOSE not to sin!
---Donna66 on 8/8/08

Irene, you said it exactly. It's a shame that many here choose to ignore the bible and follow the whims of man, tossed too and fro with every wind of doctrine they hear. The bible teaches that our Heavenly Father is the father of Jesus Christ, not Joseph. As God, Jesus is then the Son of God in the flesh, the only person who is perfect. He controlled the elements, healed the sick and nothing was impossible to him because he was God's son. Satan tempted him and it had no effect because Jesus was in the beginning with God. Jesus agreed to be our Savior and take upon himself our sins, break the bonds of death through his resurrection, teach what we need to do to return to God's kingdom. He said I am the way, not corrupt mens opinions and lies.
---ashley on 8/7/08

Does God pray? Can God be tempted? Hebrews 2:18: "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted." What do you make of that verse? Would you say that "God suffered being tempted" and thus then became "able to succour them that are tempted"? Jesus said "follow me", and that we can do, but who can follow God?
---Nana on 8/6/08

I have to say he had a sin nature, but could not sin because he was perfect. He was fully God and fully man. The man part could be tempted - we have the story about how he was tempted by the devil. His human nature gave him the ability to both understand our struggles and set the example for perfection.
---obewan on 8/6/08

The Bible declares Jesus is God Almighty. And God cannot sin.
---Eloy on 8/5/08

John ch.1,1-2,...In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God (and the word was God.)The same was in the beginning with God.vs.14 And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us,...any questions?Jesus is God in the flesh as it says throughout the bible.He is God the son.There are three in the God head,God the Father,God the son,God the holy spirit.It also says that anyone who denies that Jesus is Lord,that person is an anti christ.And the bible tells us plainly that Jesus was tempted like as we are,yet without sin.He never sinned one time.He is perfect and that,s why death could not hold him down.
---Irene on 8/6/08

If Jesus not/Word made Flesh, then who is Jesus? He was foretold in the OT. Abraham did not have to sacrifice his son, but God did.

Don't disconnect the Scriptures. Genesis to Revelation in the story of our Salvation.

John 1:1-18 In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God./John 8:58 "Before Abraham came to be, I AM."

John 8:12 "I am the light of the world, whoever follows me will ot walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

John 1:4 through Him was life, and this life was the light of the human race, the light shines in the darkness,

John1:14 And the Word became Flesh!
Only One Person of the Trinity became Flesh.

If not Jesus then Who?
---Nicole on 8/5/08

gracynluv: "No where in the bible it said Jesus IS GOD in the FLESH"

Have you not read the Old Testament prophesy:

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: the young woman is with child and is about to give birth to a son, and she will name him Immanuel." Isaiah 7:14

Nor the NT meaning?

"'Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,' which is translated, 'God with us." Matthew 1:23

God is all three: Father, Son and Holy Spirit - all one in the same.
---Steveng on 8/5/08

gracynluv: "God's WORD became FLESH - Named Jesus Christ.


After being born again, do you not have the spirit inside you? The first time you were born, you were born of the flesh. Being "born again" is of the spirit. So now you are flesh and spirit.

Also hear what Jesus said, "I and my father is one."
---Steveng on 8/5/08

No where in the bible it said Jesus IS GOD in the FLESH.

God is a SPIRIT, he does NOT CHANGE.

God's WORD became FLESH - Named Jesus Christ.


Luke 24:39, Jesus said "A SPIRIT HATH NO FLESH and BONES, AS YE SEE ME HAVE".

(Rom 6:5, IJn 3:2)BELIEVERS will have a glorified body like Jesus, THEREFORE Jesus is not the ONE TRUE Yahweh.

You CANNOT DENY Jesus own words " My God, your God, my Father your father"(Jn20:17)

Do you worship the SAME God Jesus worships, or do you worship Jesus as God? I for one worship THE SAME GOD JESUS SERVES, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER who is a spirit and he NEVER DIED, MY GOD CAN'T DIE.
---gracynluv on 8/5/08

The answer is NO! To say that Jesus sinned, or could have sinned if He wanted to, Well, you are in essence saying, God you did or could have done these things. This is called blasphemy. You are saying these same things about God, because they are one of the same. Jesus cannot even save you until the Father draws you to Him. So you see, God's Blood [Jesus'] is without blemish. It is holy Blood. No Blood can save you unless it is holy Blood. Holy means pure, righteous, Blood. The pigs Blood could not do the job of cleaning you up for God, so He sent His only begotten Son and it certainly did the job. Makes us right with God the Father. But only if you are born-again. Are you? Washed in the Blood?
---catherine on 8/5/08

That is correct. No one is born into the world condemned in any way. Adams sin was disobedience by partaking of the fruit in the garden. That introduced spiritual death or separation from God into our lives. Jesus Christ died on the cross, was in the tomb and rose the third day resurrected to break the bonds of spiritual death and that enables everyone to return to his kingdom IF they are worthy and live their lives in obedience to God's words 24-7 by example. To say anything else denies the divinity and sacrifice made on our behalf. Babies have no knowledge of good and evil and you have to know sin to commit sin. Name one sin a baby commits. If you say they are born in sin, you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you.
---ashley on 8/4/08

John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
John 17:3: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4: I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5: And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Nicole, I disagree with your assertions.
---Nana on 8/4/08

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Baptism is one ordinance that everyone must have. Jesus said: "Except a man be born of the water and the spirit, he shall NOT return to the kingdom of God." Since Jesus Christ himself was baptized in the river Jordan by John the Baptist, is perfect without sin, and is the Savior of the world, who are we to say sorry Jesus, you weren't a good role model. We don't have to follow your example because you wasted your time. Men will denounce what you said, ignore it, and change it to suit themselves. We know the bible is true, but just delete where it says baptism is a required ordinance to enter his kingdom again. Oh what a wicked generation that says they know more than Jesus Christ.
---ashley on 8/4/08

Donna:The thought in itself suggests and equates Jesus with SIN.This is in itself malicious and thus lacking in Faith,because HE is GOD.To accuse Mary of sin is just as erroneous because there is 'no' proof, full of supposition and countermands the commandment of God "Bearing false witness", and tantamount to condeming a person without a trial.Jesus had a trial was innocent but paid the price.Is history repeating itself?
---MIC on 8/4/08

Is Jesus our God in the flesh? If you agree than this question needs no reply. If you disagree then you have no understanding.
this opinion not supported by Gods Word may be why no scripture used

Christ was born of flesh and could have sinned but did not ...if He were a "god" on earth then He overcame NOTHING and LIED here (John 16:33)

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

1 John 4:2-4
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist
---Rhonda on 8/4/08

Is Jesus our God in the flesh? If you agree than this question needs no reply. If you disagree then you have no understanding.
---Ken on 8/4/08

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No one is born from the womb condemned. NO ONE. That is why Jesus said: Suffer little children to come unto him for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
---Ashley on 7/31/08

So, Jesus assumed our body for no reason at all?

It is statments like yours that divides and confuses people about the Truth of God.

Jesus became human for a reason.
To undo Adam's sin through the death of His Flesh.

Compare the scenes of the Garden of Eden to The Crucifixion.

They are similar for a reason.

Everyone from the human race is cursed with Original Sin. Everyone. Baptism rids Original Sin.

It is called Original for a reason.
---Nicole on 8/2/08

Ashley, I do agree with you up to a point. Question. If a person got saved one day & died a few minutes later would that person go to hell because he/she didn't get water baptized?
No. Reason being, water baptism is not part of being born-again. The New Birth is spiritual. Water baptism is not. (Romans 10:9-10)
---Rickey on 8/1/08

Why do people continuously complicate simple things. Adams sin was disobeying God and a spiritual death or separation from God occurred. Everyone will die as a result. The atonement of Jesus Christ broke the bonds of death, meaning everyone will be resurrected to spend eternity with God if they are worthy. Do people even know what it means to be born again. Baptism cleanses us of all past sins. When you rise out of the water your sins are washed clean or you are born again, just like you were when you were born physically. Sin is a result of aging and learning right from wrong. No one is born from the womb condemned. NO ONE. That is why Jesus said: Suffer little children to come unto him for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
---Ashley on 7/31/08

"Sin Nature", fact or suppossition? If fact, Matthew 18:10: "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones, for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." would be implicating that God assigns angels to fend for devils. And Revelation 2:5: "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." The"fallen" are called to "repent" and "do the first works", indicating thus that their "fall" was a dereliction of duties rather than a "nature".
---Nana on 7/31/08

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Debbie Jo,

If original sin is tranmitted through the male, what would happen if/when a woman is is cloned? - no father involved. Would she (the clone) have a sin nature?
---BRUCE5656 on 7/30/08

Adam's sin nature is passed down to each generation through the male. Jesus had an earthly mother but He had a heavenly Father, a holy Father, God Himself. He was conceived of a holy Father.---Debbie_Jo

Good theory, but since Adam was made from the dust, and Eve made from the rib of Adam they are still connected.

Women made from material of the man so, both passes down the original sin. Same source.

Also, Jesus had to assume our human nature by a human saved from original sin. Mary.

Jesus was not conceived of the Father.
He was begotten of the Father.

Luke 1:35 The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the Power of the Most High will overshadow you. Trinity involvement.
---Nicole on 7/30/08

Adam's sin nature is passed down to each generation through the male. Jesus had an earthly mother but He had a heavenly Father, a holy Father, God Himself. Therefore, there was not a sin nature to be passed down. Jesus was man but He was equally God, He was divinely human and without sin, without even a hint of the old sin nature because He was conceived of a holy Father.
---Debbie_Jo on 7/29/08

I believe that Mary WAS a virgin, but she didn't remain a virgin. Joseph and Mary had children together, the Scriptures agree with your statement,Matt1:25---Mrs.Morgan

No, it doesn't. Jewish sons have to take care of their widow mothers. No if's,or but's. They have no choice.

Scriptures agrees that Mary doesn't have other sons, or Jesus wouldn't have to give His mother to a stranger, His disciple.

John 19:26-27. Plus, after Jesus' death, His brother could have taken Mary back from the Disciple. But, this didn't happen.

V 27 And from that hour the Disciple took her into his home.

Matthew 1:25 is translated only to state no relation with Joseph to prove Jesus' was not of Joseph's seed, but only Mary.
---Nicole on 7/28/08

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We have Original Sin for a reason.

Adam and Eve were the Original parents who committed the original sin. So they passed the original sin to you and I.

What's this about Mary sinning as she grow up? The question is did she pass the original sin to Jesus?

Jesus has to have DNA from Adam and Eve to undo the original sin.

How did God do this? Tell me if you reject the Immaculate Conception. It is easy to reject something without a different answer.

God Saved Mary at her conception by her parents.
He saved you and I after birth.
Mary in the womb, us after birth.

Tell me another way Jesus is free of Original sin?

Real debates, please, no calling names.
---Nicole on 7/28/08

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and this is why Jesus could not have sinned. The crucifixion of the Son of God happened according to God's will, but at the same time, it was the worst crime of human history. God is holy and cannot sin [James 1:13]. Jesus Christ, the Son of God who came to earth in human form, is also SINLESS. His perfection arises from His divine nature, as well as His human nature. [1 Peter 2:22]. I trust this answers your question. His perfection arises out of both divine and human nature.... Good day.
---catherine on 7/28/08

Jesus was born into the earth which he himself created, but he is not of this world..."for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost...I am from above, I am not of this world: if you all believe not that I AM, you all will die in your sins."
---Eloy on 7/28/08

"....I believe that Mary WAS a virgin, but she didn't remain a virgin. Joseph and Mary had children together." --- Kay, the Scriptures agree with your statement, See: (Matthew 1:25). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 7/28/08

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Denna:: I read you loud & clear Your interpretation Vs that of the H/S.
---Emcee on 10/1/07

Jesus was born the Christ (Matt 1:16), but we know he existed before time began with the Father, and that it was Christ that spoke the worlds into existence (Heb 1:2). Since Christ has always existed as God, he was not born with a sin nature. When he was born he was that holy thing (Luke 1:35).
---trey on 10/1/07


You and I will have to agree to disagree. I post the truth as it is given to my by His inspired word and discernment of Holy Spirit.

I was trying to be polite in making the statement of, "begs the question".
---denna7667 on 10/1/07

Strong axe::The Usage of "IF"is used in many ways EG If you did not have these posts you would have no answer.If pigs could fly they would perch on trees.ambiguous was what I was refering to.Anyway Thank you.
---Emcee on 9/30/07

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Denna::Maybe you did not understand my Post which leaves you your begging question.You absorbed The ALL left out A FIRST TIME and introduced an using your IF would you say IF you eat your Fill once You will never have to eat anymore in this life with that same MOUTH.You are talkig about salvation I was talking about Initiation which is what Baptism my Post slowly.
---Emcee on 9/30/07


That begs the question IF water baptism removes ALL sin then why confess with you mouth of your sin? Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved,

I guess that also explains OSAS.
---denna7667 on 9/30/07

All children are conceived in inquity. And children inherit sin from the natural egg of their mother. In Jesus' case he was not borned by way of the natural egg of mary but rather he was born from an embryo specially created for him. Read Hebrews 10:5 to better understand this. The statement," a body has thy prepared for me" will give a better understanding of this.
---Mima on 9/30/07


It is standard practice in logical discussions to allow obviously-true or obviously-false predicates after "if".

Even Paul does this: 1 Co 15:14
"And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain."
---StrongAxe on 9/30/07

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Denna:: AFIRST time Baptism Removes "ALL" sins by water. Thereafter by Contrition in Confession.Acts 2:37_4kings 5:14.There are many references to attest to the truth of this statement.
---Emcee on 9/29/07

Andre/a:: to make your posts more credible try Not using the WORD IF that is supposition.Jesus was GOD no if and's or Buts He was Incarnate had no sin,had the nature of Man & God, He reached a stage of Perfection as Man & said "FOLLOW ME"as nothing defiled enters heaven"
---Emcee on 9/28/07

Kay, just to be clear, for all Catholics, Jesus is the High Priest, King, Head, Lord, and God of our Church. Peter and all subsequent Popes were servants under Jesus, serving in His stead on earth, as per Christ's request. Nevertheless, Jesus remains the true head of our Church and this was always the case.
---lorra8574 on 9/28/07


You said in part, "...Babies have no sin at birth except that inherited & erasable by Water Baptism...." I hope and pray that you are not depending on water baptism to erase ANY sins.

Water baptism never has and will never erase the first sin. The only liquid that can erase sin is the blood of Jesus.

Matthew 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
---denna7667 on 9/28/07

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Just a few references to Jesus brothers:

Matthew 13:55
Mark 6:3
Luke 8:19
John 2:12
John 7:3
Acts 1:14

As well as Galatians 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Some say theorize they were sons of Joseph from a previous marriage being he was much older than Mary.
---denna7667 on 9/28/07

Absolutely not..Jesus is God who came down from Heaven in the person Of Jesus Christ in human form but in all His diety. God knew that man was so sinful and needed a Savior, so He came down here from His throne in Heaven and saved all who repented, believed, and recieved the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. If there had been any other way then God would have done it. Praise Him for He is so worthy to be Praised! Amen.. Born of the Spirit! Perfect and sinless..
---Cynthia on 9/28/07

Jesus was not born of a sin nature. He was conceived by the holy spirit. It was not the actually birth that was so remarksble but the conception. Also remember Jesus is God. NO sin nature has God.++
---catherine on 9/28/07

Mary was a young girl she may not have been to the age of accountability yet. Which is 13 if your Jewish, but was 20 in Numbers. The Israelites that were allowed into the promised land were not held accountable under 20.
So although I believe she was a virgin and Jesus was tempted like us - I do not believe babies are born with sin.
If Jesus was tempted like us - He must of had our nature.
---Andrea on 9/28/07

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Kay:: what you write is a line of comparison, St paul uses this but there is no denial in my statement Mat16:17-19Jesus clearly states "MY church " but he hands over the authority of its administration to Peter who is the chief Apostle of HIS in essence you are agreeing not to disagree.
---Emcee on 9/28/07

Not to get involved in the RCC battle, I would like to give some scripture:

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Christ is the Son of Man and the Son of God. As the Son of God, and part of the trinity, and having the same attributes as God, he does not have a sin nature. He is holy, harmless, and undefiled. He is without sin.

Hope this is helpful.
---trey on 9/27/07

Emcee, as for Peter being the head of the Church, the Bible makes it very clear that Jesus Christ is the head, not Peter. Paul compares the relationship between the husband and wife with Jesus and THE Church.

"For the husband is the head of the wife, EVEN AS Christ is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH: and he is the savior of the body."-Eph 5:23

Christ is the husband and we are His bride. If Peter was the head, we would be the bride of Peter.
---Kay on 9/19/07

I don't know why so many here keep accusing Jack of being Roman Catholic.
It seems that they do not understand that it is not only the RCC that holds various beleifs about Mary.
Jack has told us several times that he is Orthodox
---alanUKquent64534 on 1/14/07

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Emcee, in reference to John 19:25-27...some ASSUME that this shows Mary's virginity on the basis of custom etc, however throughout scripture we see Jesus more concerned about the spiritual then custom, even defying it at times. What of the possibility of Jesus entrusting his mother to spiritual brothers since his own brothers were not "with Him"?
---christina on 1/13/07

"I think the question you really should be asking is why you won't answer mine."

augusta, I've answered your question twice already. You won't accept it because it doesn't line up with what you wanted to hear.
---Kay on 1/13/07

Jack - I keep telling you that you speak RCC doctrine. To pray to Mary is heresy.
---Helen_5378 on 1/12/07

Augusta - Just reading your reply to Kay. Funny, but you haven't answered a question of mine on another Blog yet! (about Joseph's sins).
---Helen_5378 on 1/12/07

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Kay-( Like, where can I find IN THE BIBLE that we can communicate with the dead? Where does it say that Mary was without sin?)Where does the Bible teach that doctrine, such as the Assumption of Mary,Immaculate Conception, Purgatory must be taught in scripture in order to be true?
---Ruben on 1/11/07

**Where does it say that God wants us to pray to Mary?**

Is Jesus our example in all things? Yes or no.

Then if HE turned to her for some of His needs, what do you think follows?
---Jack on 1/11/07

Jesus created Mary in order to put on flesh through her and to redeem man. Jesus is God, and God has no sin. Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost, not of the unholy. "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch as you all know that you all were not redeemed with corruptible things, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. Here the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world." Mt.1:20; John 8:46,47; I Peter 1:18,19; John 1:29.
---Eloy on 1/11/07

*Augusta, I certainly hope you answer my questions.*

Kay, I already posted that I am more than happy to answer any question by anyone when mine gets answered.

I think the question you really should be asking is why you won't answer mine.
---augusta on 1/11/07

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"INVESTIGATE & find the TRUTH for Yourself
Clue Jewish Customs at the time."

EMCEE, I'm very familiar with what you are referring to, but what does that have to do with whether or not Mary remained a virgin? If you don't want to answer this question then maybe someone else can.
---Kay on 1/11/07

Augusta, I certainly hope you answer my questions. Like, where can I find IN THE BIBLE that we can communicate with the dead? Where does it say that Mary was without sin? Where does it say that God wants us to pray to Mary? Where is the record of Stephen's sin? Joseph's? Please don't avoid these questions.
---Kay on 1/11/07

The scripture teaches us that Jesus' was fully man and God. The bible also said Jesus was tempted in every way. If Jesus didn't have the sin nature, then He could not be tempted. In other words if you can't be swayed then you can't be tempted. One of Jesus' goals was to teach us that we could live a sin free life. Think about it...
---Joseph on 1/11/07

Augusta, EVERYONE has sinned. Just because Marys sins and other biblical figures sins aren't listed doesn't mean they were without sin. I have answered your questions before, but I guess they weren't the answers you were wanting to hear.
---Kay on 1/11/07

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"Does the bible give record of Mary committing any sin, Kay? Yes or no?"

Indirectly, yes. The scriptures say that all have sinned. The entire human race is guilty of having sin. Was Mary not part of the human race or have Catholics elevated her to a goddess status? Does the Bible give record of Joseph committing any sin, augusta? Yes or No?
---Kay on 1/11/07

Here are the facts:
(1) The Bible does NOT say or give the slightest hint that Mary was without sin. It only states that Jesus was without sin.
(2) The Bible DOES say that EVERYONE has sinned. Mary is included in "everyone" unless the Bible states otherwise, which it does NOT.
---Kay on 1/11/07

"Nothing defiled shall enter Heaven.Sorry."

EMCEE, when we obey God's commandment, "thou must be born-again", He forgives us AND removes our sins from us. We are no longer considered defiled. It is by His blood that we are cleansed.
---Kay on 1/11/07

Jamie - Just saw your post. Adam and Eve had to have the sin nature or else they could not have sinned.
---Helen_5378 on 1/11/07

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Jamie - 2/... Adam and Eve were given freewill to choose. So, when tempted, the sin nature got activated and they both sinned. Hope that answers your question.
---Helen_5378 on 1/11/07

Augusta - You know very well that the Bible does not record any individual sins that Mary committed. What you refuse to acknowledge is that God says in Romans 3:23 that "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". For Mary, or anybody else, to be sinless she would have had to be God because He is the only One Who is sinless. You are lifting Mary up very high whether you realise it or not and you have allowed yourself to be entrapped in the RCC's idolatry of her.
---Helen_5378 on 1/11/07

2/... Augusta, you would do well to heed what Kay is saying to you because she speaks to you the truth of God's Word which is more powerful than any two-edged sword.
---Helen_5378 on 1/11/07

Augusta - Can you please tell us where the Bible records the sin/s that Joseph (Mary's husband) committed? Thanks.
---Helen_5378 on 1/11/07

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Augusta - There are many in the Bible who are born-again and their sins are not stated. God says He forgets our sins, and He means it. For example, the Word says that the apostle Paul was a blasphemer but that is all it says. For sure Paul would, like all of us, committed other sins too. You are typical of an unbeliever who says "give me proof and I will believe it" -- No, you won't. You are stuck in your idolatry with no plans to get out.
---Helen_5378 on 1/10/07

Emcee, "your claim for assurance is false & unjustified. No matter what you say,You cannot change HIS words :Nothing defiled shall enter Heaven.Sorry."

True that nothing defiled will enter heaven, but your statement that my trust in Jesus alone is false is your own judgement. Only God knows my heart
---christina on 1/10/07

Augusta, the Bible does NOT give a record of me committing any sin either. So what does that mean?
The Bible gives the same record of Mary committing sin as it does me or you.
Study the genealogy of Mary and Jesus. Mary was born of a mother and father on this earth.
Jesus was born of a mother on this earth without the help of a father.
You, me and Mary were born sinners because our fathers were sinners.
I am not a sinner because I sin. I am a sinner because I was born a sinner.
---Elder on 1/10/07

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