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We are regularly reminded to use Biblical sayings.How ever we are inspite of this warning subjected to what I would call a difference of Opinion based on thoughts of those who are in authotity.If rude & insulting I could understand, but if based on common sense & reason why should that not be displayed Most often other denominations are treated this way. Is that fair & correct just because views Clash.Can the forum NOT speak?
---EMCEE on 5/1/08

Ooops, sorry, I thought this was for "old" ChristiaNet bloggers... I'm old....
---Pat on 2/1/07

Daphn8897; Good answer,and I will say this,at least you respond to questions,thanks agape.
---1st_cliff on 1/19/07

1st cliff, No loophole but, because she is so physically limited, we have no way of knowing what she hears and/or understands. If her parents are believers and share God's word with her, then the rest is up to Him. Again, only He knows her heart. I know He is faithful, true, and just... so, concerning this precious one, I choose to trust Him for her ultimate outcome. His word does say, "even the rocks will cry out...", and Ashly X is certainly more important than a rock.
---daphn8897 on 1/19/07

Elder- You are mostly correct. But first, define 'strong doctrine' as opposed to 'weak doctrine.' I am NOT a fundamentalist, I am NOT in your camp. I do hold up the name of Jesus as THE oNLY means to heaven, but probabily hold little more in common, theologically with you. 'Cults' as defined by who, and with what authority? Authority of Luthers sola scriptora? Authority of the majority?
Apostolic authority?
I admit I come across more against than what I am for. That is one sided.
---MikeM on 1/19/07

Elder-The 'fundamentals of the faith' have changed over the centuries, in discussion, and by blood and war. one with absolute assuradness of their belief can always be met and matched by those with the opposing view-or faith.

(I have bailed??? show me the thread and I will correct that!
---MikeM on 1/19/07

It dawned on me today, finally, why some people say really strange things here.

Some are hooked up to the dating section of CN. They're looking for mates. So alot of the self-promotion is to snag someone's attention. Some receive many votes, but it's not based on the Christ-like answers. Behind the scenes, the 'dating game' is going on. There are cliques here, which is natural, among the ole 'el-groupin. So they hang together. But I understand, some votes are for your looks.
---Shawn on 1/18/07

1st Cliff, the -pneuma- returns to God. The flesh returns to the ground and the soul sleeps.
---Ryan on 1/19/07

Elder why can you not separate body and 'soul/spirit' as you say? Do you find the bible speaks of the 'soul' and 'spirit' as synonymous?
---Ryan on 1/19/07

MikeM correct me if I am wrong and I hope that I am. In your "debates" on CN I have never seen you stand against those who push cults and false statements contrary to strong doctrine.
Have you ever tried to "correct" Mrs. Morgan, 1Cliff, Eloy or some of the others.
Those who believe the fundamentals of the faith (no faith without them) are the ones I see you at odds with.
PS you have "bailed" a number of times also.
---Elder on 1/18/07

Daphn8897;You're quite right,Jesus died for "whomsoever will",One question Daphne,how will she be "born again" or is there some scriptural loophole that I dont know about? Scriptural not emotion.
---1st_cliff on 1/18/07

1st cliff, Again, you miss the point. She will not ALWAYS be a 4 mo. child. That may be her appearance, but it most certainly is not who she is. Ashly X is a person. Her limited mental abilities and damaged body notwithstanding. Jesus work on the Cross was for her as much as anyone else. One day, she will not be limited by corrupt human flesh and will stand before God. He's the One Who really knows who she is... not you, her parents, the doctors, or any other flawed human being.
---daphn8897 on 1/18/07

I fully admit I go at these blogs like I did in College debate class. The irony is elsewhere I debate on an atheist site, defending the belief in God against those horrible atheistic/humanistic/liberals. I find atheist can be dogmatic, narrow minded, and as filled with religious ferver as strong as any religious person, this renders, as I see it, atheism as a religious paradigm.

I use science, both biological and physical in an ontological argument to illistrate that atheism is wholly faith based.
---MikeM on 1/18/07

Kay-You are right.That is a worn out word. I offer several new words that may be closer, you choose, quit, retreat, withdraw abdicate, bail out, bow out, cop out, deep six,ditch, drop out, escape, flee, flight, hightail, hotfoot.

I prefer 'abscond'

I have one principle I hold above others, "If ones faith cannot STAND the test of free inquiry, its finished."
---MikeM on 1/18/07

Cindy; You have a good point. Perhaps I offer a haughty tone. Your point, "enough already with how our emotional debates don't meet up to your specs" I humbly will consider. The problem is someone dogmatically asserts something,-challenging me. Then I respond with a wee bit o' the little grey matter I was endowed with. I respond logically, rationally they bail, er,'throw in the towel,' again and again, doing this they loose all credibility. The kicker is, they don't care. That is not faith.
---MikeM on 1/18/07

Daphn8897;We are not our bodies? Prov.23.7 "as a man thinketh in his heart,so is he" We are in fact our brain!The brain determines who you are! Ashley X is now 9yrs old with the mental capacity of a 4 month old who will never progress beyond that. Parents have stunted her growth,removed uterus,breast buds and apendix. She will always be a 4 mth.old child. That in fact is WHO she is.There's no person inside trying to get out!
---1st_cliff on 1/17/07

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Emcee. Thats what Cliff have done ever since he got here.It is he who confess he's been around cults and he is one them.Elder knows him longer than me.
---Ramon on 1/16/07

"Oh, not the dreaded, "We've all bailed", again." -Cindy

I wish he would come up with a different word.
---Kay on 1/16/07

1st cliff, What I am saying is that we are not our bodies. Jesus, the Son of the Living God, has no beginning and no end. We have a beginning, but no end. Jesus also inhabited that which was imperfect (a human body) perfectly in order to redeem that which is corrupt (us). We are not eternal because we have a beginning. However, because I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, I will never cease - and will spend the rest of eternity in His presence.
---daphn8897 on 1/16/07

What I have noticed is that people like 1 Cliff, I am I, and others that don't believe in the fundamentals of the Christian faith at all, show a different kind of spirit when answering. To this point I have not heard any of them condemn, call names, send you to hell, make remarks not Christian like, while many suppose fundamental Christians will answer so terrible that every morning I have to respond just to defend myself and doctrines from attacks that I don't get from those not Christian at all.
---lisa on 1/16/07

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1st Cliff ::Do you always have to put a spin on everyones words . You will do well for an opposition even against yourself,another interesting concept.
---EMCEE on 1/15/07

Daphn8897;Are you saying once you cease to exist that it's too hard for God to resurrect you? Why do you think that your name must be written in the Lamb's book of life? If we never ceased to exist we would be "infinite" not finite! Does your attitude,breath,air (pneuma-spirit)cease to exist once it leaves your body? Doesn't it just dissipate?
---1st_cliff on 1/15/07

Ok, when you were New on CN, did you spend alot of time defending and arguing, then over time, did you wind down and let the the newer bloggers take over, so you could rest? Do you pick your arguments now, and get back in the ring when you're led? Or did the arguing wear any of you out?
---Shawn on 1/15/07

Oh, not the dreaded, "We've all bailed", again.

You keep coming back for more, so apparently everyone else in the universe has bailed on your parade, too. So why not enjoy the good company and enough already with how our emotional debates don't meet up to your specs.
---Cindy on 1/15/07

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Cliff I have said it before, since you cannot separate the body from the soul/spirit there is nothing you can be but confused on the issue.
What makes a body/person die? Does something just run out of battery power and quit? Or, is there something more?
When the spirit/soul leaves the body the body dies. Where does that soul go?
(PS. Cliff it is you who has studied with the cults not me.)
---Elder on 1/15/07

What I have noted is an increase in those who make dogmatic statements and then feel no need what so ever to 'back them up.' This happens on several subjects. Faith statements are made as fact statements. A free open dialectic should have NO FEAR of open debate, but bailing, or 'throwing in the towel' seems to be the mode of operation for the born again fundamentalists here. Steveng sums it up, FREE open debate is something that is seen as horrible.
---MikeM on 1/15/07

1st cliff, Our wholeness and is not merely in the physical. Scripture is pretty clear that we, human beings, are finite, having a beginning, but that we do not cease to exist once our body dies. If we did, then there would be no resurrection. If Jesus' spirit died (i.e. ceased) at the crucifiction, then all of creation would have ceased, including us, for He is the creator and the very one who's breath holds us together.
---daphn8897 on 1/15/07

Emcee et al: That's a very interesting concept,that we have an inner half and an outer half.So Jesus' outer half died but the inner half kept living! Now if only half of Jesus actually died ,wouldn't that give you only half salvation? How does that work?
---1st_cliff on 1/15/07

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Moderator - "We allow a wide range of discussions which by default will cause a wide range of opinions and understanding of the Bible."

It's these opinions that have torn apart the family of Christ like the families today have been torn asunder. There is one truth, but it seems that Christians have confounded the message of God so much that the truth has taken a back seat. God forgive you all.
---Steveng on 1/14/07

1st Cliff, Jesus' BODY was dead, His Spirit (which cannot die) was alive.

The Bible DOES say that Jesus preached to the lost spirits in Hell. (1 Peter 3:19)
---Kay on 1/14/07

1st. Cliff. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God. The Greek word for "death" is "thanatas", means to be separated.

Jesus really did die. He suffer the separation of His soul from His body. You don't know how to separate the physical (body;outer men) with that of the spiritual (soul/spirit; inner men) (2 Cor 4:16). Therefore, you got misconception of death.
---Ramon on 1/14/07

Elder& 1st Cliff::Excuse me for interjecting .It appears that we Forget that the Jesus we talk about is INCARNATE 100% Man & 100% GodThe man dies on the cross because His work's finished God of the
HS ressurects Him AS God His mission is 2fold release imprisioned souls open the gates Of heaven & show mankind HIS & only way to redemption.
---EMCEE on 1/14/07

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Elder;Again you misunderstand! I absolutely believe that Jesus died, it's you and the fundamentalists who believe that when Jesus was supposed to be dead that He was off to some place preaching to demons!The bible says nothing about "just" His body dieing or just His body comming back to life He did not resurrect(re-standing to life)"till the 3rd day! That is scripture!One cannot be dead and out preaching at the same time!Now you tell me how He can be dead and alive at the same time.
---1st_cliff on 1/14/07

Elder; Let me say this one time,I fully understand your concept (theology) and realize that it's difficult for you to sort out true bible and "fused in" Roman,Greek and Egyptian mythology,so that my scriptural belief looks foreign to you.Their (mythology) belief was life after death,immortal soul/spirit ,different compartments for the dead,different rewards for the good,multy personality gods,dialog between living and dead and special feast days
---1st_cliff on 1/14/07

Cliff I didn't say that I misunderstood the subject. You asked if I would see the event.
As for you believing Scripture I hope you do. It was you, in past posts, who said you didn't. You have gone so far as to say Jesus didn't die.
You post in a manner to cast doubt not get answers. If you would post in the same manner that you wrote me when my sister died people would respond different.
I have a love and concern for you otherwise I wouldn't put up with you.
God Bless.
---Elder on 1/13/07

New kids, turf and numerous denominations bringing on conflict? I think not. If conflict exists, it exists between man and God every time man rejects His Holy Word. If you honestly think new kids, turf and numerous denominations are the source of conflict with this truth... He will resolve it for you at the judegment where His Word is forever settled.
---pals on 1/13/07

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Elder; If you cant explain it,it's because you dont understand it,right? Because I dont accept your interpretation of "scripture" doesnt mean I dont believe scripture!
---1st_cliff on 1/13/07

Cliff I have never thought about whether I will see this fire or not. If I do it will be from the outside. My concern is that you will see it from the inside.
My fancy footwork is no comparison to the dance you are involved in with Campbell and the Cults while you reject Scripture.
What you or I see does not change the Truth of Scripture. You cannot prove that Hell will not be cast into the Lake of Fire. You can only use a humanistic mind to reject what Scripture says. And, you do.
---Elder on 1/13/07

1st Cliff. Why are you always trying to argue with the Word Of GOD?. Why can't you just accept biblical truth instead of trying to prove the Bible Wrong?
---Ramon on 1/12/07

#2. Do you have perfect knowledge on who/what God is? Third, Hades have fire! Scriptures tells us that.
---Ramon on 1/12/07

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Cliff now goes to the "literal" question as his defense to explain away the Revelation.
Humm..... if you want to reveal something how can you do it if you don't expose it to the ones you want to reveal it to?
Guess what Cliff I don't cast Hell into the Lake of fire... God does that. But that is Scripture. You don't believe Scripture.
I can't answer how God does it or how He created the world out of nothing but one day you will be there and see how He does it.
---Elder on 1/12/07

Elder; Since you and others believe that hell(hades) is already on fire,are we to see fire being thrown into the fire? Dazzle us with your fancy footwork on this!
---1st_cliff on 1/12/07

Elder; For you and others I will "explain Rev.20.11-15. 1st how much of revelation is "literal" (pecentage wise)50% 20%? 10%? .The fish have eaten all those in the "sea" how will it "give up the dead"? death and hell cast into the lake of fire? how would you grab hold of death to throw it into the fire? how would you throw hell into the fire?pick it up by the top or sides??? finally "this "IS" (or means)(defining) the second death, the lake of fire.
---1st_cliff on 1/11/07

Cliff, explain (I did not say explain away) Rev 20:11-15 and those cast into the lake of fire. Then I will tell you what I think about your plea for help for the inexperienced Christian.
Your live any way you want to and not be held accountable is the false hood we need to deal with. You will not listen so I guess you will have to feel.
---Elder on 1/10/07

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"Heresy is anyone that comes to a conclusion different than my inspired-inerrent absolute correct right perfect unalterable conclusions."

Any absolutist conclusion, no mater how riged can ALWAYS be matched by the opposite view.
---MikeM on 1/10/07

"I do not claim to "know it all" or be inerrant. What I will do is take things not found in Scripture, by definition heresy, and expose them. That is not being rude, but truthful."-John T

---Kay on 1/9/07

John T; Jesus is not to be scoffed at,just those that take a parable,call it literal and build a doctrine on it! This is the same reasonong that evolutionists use.IE Make a "supposition" then build a whole case on then say "see that's how it was".
---1st_cliff on 1/9/07

John::I would have used "PARAS"not
Graphs" but this a new age & its hard for old dogs to learn new Tricks.Thanks NOT=no offence Taken.does not mean no thanks.Ha!
---EMCEE on 1/9/07

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EMCEE: I was refering to my post, and the graphs is short for paragraphs.

Nothing complicated, merely elaborating on your first post here.

I do not claim to "know it all" or be inerrant. What I will do is take things not found in Scripture, by definition heresy, and expose them. That is not being rude, but truthful.

Actually, it is an exercize in kindness.
---John_T on 1/9/07


I can not "correct" what Jesus said.

You must read the true story about the rich man and Lazarus in the Bible.

Then scoff at Jesus-- if you dare.
---John_T on 1/9/07

John T; Are you going to "correct" the unscriptural (heretical) doctrine of a literal hell-fire where humans are tortured in a never ending fire for the sole purpose of inflicting pain? This God-defaming doctrine that paints God as a sadistic fiend worse than Hitler!Worse? yes because when the Jews were put in the furnace they were already dead!
---1st_cliff on 1/9/07

Elder; Are you going to "protect" new and fragile Christians from this satanic doctrine (literal hell-fire)? Are you going to explain that our God is overflowing with love,mecy and compassion who does not engage in this Draconion hostility toward humans? Used up to now as a scare-tactic! Expose and point out this false doctrine!
---1st_cliff on 1/9/07

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shawn, as a believer my response will be IT ain,t my turf brother.the conflicts actually come from the flesh more than anything I would say that much comes from a concerned believer trying to correct (in love)a fellow believers discernment of scripture.
---tom2 on 1/8/07

John T ::Pity there have to be so many graphs to find out the truth which is JUST ONE.I guess each must follow his star or Destiny
---EMCEE on 1/8/07

Amen JohnT. Joseph Smith said that he was restoring the church because none of the denominations of his day were teaching the "true" gospel. So, God had to have him start the "true" church all over. This is just one example of false doctrine that cannot be considered truth whatsoever. If you are believing such false doctrine, you cannot be considered part of the Body of Christ.
---Susie on 1/8/07

John T ::Pity there have to be so many graphs to find out the truth which is JUST ONE.I guess each must follow his star or Destiny
---EMCEE on 1/8/07

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EMCEE: Denominations differ; that's OK as long as the differences dont become divisive. We can differ on the rapture, or trib. for example, but not on Jesus's return

However some denominations are exclusive, and some are heretical, that is not in spirit with true, Bible-based ecumenicism. They say "only we are true" and that our founder is infallible. Others create non-Scriptural (heretical) doctrines. Those should be corrected.

The difference in the graphs above is critical.
---John_T on 1/8/07

Three kinds of people come here.
Those seeking to learn, those who have found, want to share and help others and some who want to cause confusion and point out views apart from Scripture teaching. These need to be exposed and pointed out.
When served bad food we should let everyone know not to eat it.
There will be conflict but woe unto the silent when evil appears and claims to be truth.
I place myself in #2 and hope you do too. Many on here hurt and need protection and help.
---Elder on 1/8/07

Donna, what you said should be correct, however in practice most people either don't know how or just don't listen to the Holy Spirit. As well as we are all at different levels of spiritual maturity.
---Moderator on 1/8/07

Perhaps you have noticed by now that there are those who have the attitude expressed in the following conversation:
(Taken from The Born Looser)
Thornapple: "Dosen't what I say count for anything around here?"
Boss: Of course! It's just that what you have to say are opinions, what I have to say are facts!"
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/07

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Moderator - You raised a good point. However, if there is ONE SPIRIT, and ONE Christ, then how come there are is such a wide range of "opinions" and "Understanding" of the bible? Isn't the Holy Spirit ONE Spirit and isn't He teaching everyone the same thing? So would you say the fault of opinions and understanding lies with the person and not the Holy Spirit? and shouldn't we all be agreeing with God's word and what it says if we ALL have the SAME teacher?
---Donna9759 on 1/8/07

Frankly, most of us don't know how long the others have been on this site. We recognize some who post a lot, but that's about all. As far as denominations, it's pretty easy to spot doctrine quickly. But, I am finding that there are a lot of people who just seem to be making it up as they go along. Many don't really know what they belive. It is very important that you know what you believe about the Lord.
---Susie on 1/8/07

Most people who belong to a particular denomination do so because they believe that one is the right one. Obviously all cannot be 100% correct otherwise we would never disagree with each other. Some differences we must accept are not worth arguing over but some differences (when a denomination is teaching something not found in scripture or with a 'twisting' of scripture) must be challenged otherwise we fail God and each other. We can all learn from each other whether old bloggers or new.
---m.p.a. on 1/8/07

I have been on here a good while and welcome all newcomers. Different insights can sometimes shed light on something we have been seeking or get us into researching in the Bible or Strongs(or other sources) to confirm or reject those views. I think respectful exchange of opinions does us good. I just wish everyone would remember that to love one another is a commandment. Politeness goes a long way and judgementalism or rudeness hinders. Manners and being considerate are never out of style
---Darlene_1 on 1/7/07

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Most people don't like "change". i.e. same chair in meetings, same church pew, same hair style, etc. Not that it is bad...most of the time. Yet, in God's Word, many of us are just short of knowing all He has for us. Some feel they have all the answers & that's okay for them. I feel while we are on earth we need just one more lesson in His scripture, one more "WOW, I didn't know that!!!". Maybe you are here to share it with us. Or maybe you will see it on this site... Glory to God.
---mikefl on 1/7/07

It should not be difficult to accept fellow partakers in the Lord Jesus. We are commanded to do so.
---Ryan on 1/7/07

I've never been on here for me.
---Pharisee on 1/7/07

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