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Is Israel Cut Off From God

After considering this verse in Ezekiel 37:11,"Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts." What do you think this first refers too?

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SUCCES is not a proof of Gods favour, Arabs live in the dessert, yet the richest in the world are Arrab. the most succesfull rich bussinessmen are idolaters, drunks, fornicators free-masons etc. however God did set them aside for a time, that is until the fulness of pagans will ehave entered in His kingdom, it is not that he rejected them eternally, and he still has a plan with them in the endtime battle.
---Andy on 5/22/08

1stCliff: Anywhere in the world the Jews settle, they prosper, whether in the middle of a metropolitan or in the middle of a desert. What other people could turn a desert into an agriculture paradise where even the Arab people left the area (in the Middle East) because the land could not grow anything. Even the greenhouses (not destroyed by the Palestanians) once grown abundantly by the Jews were destroyed, even when helped by scientist from other countries.
---Steveng on 5/19/08

---1st_cliff on 8/4/07
Jesus said the kingdom does not come with observation, But is inside you. you are contradicting Jesus not me, I believe his word not carnal interpretation of it. You have to enter this kingdom by faith and operate in it by faith it is impossible to please God otherwise.
---exzucuh on 8/4/07

Exucuh; The Kingdom isn't "IN" anybody, The Kingdom is a King and subjects,a theocratic government,ruled from the top down not democratic from the bottom up! When the KJV says the Kingdom is within you,even in the magin it clarifies this by saying "in your midst, or among you, as Christ the King was there!
---1st_cliff on 8/4/07

Our God is not faithless in His holy promise,and He offers forgiveness to those who trust in His Word.Isaiah 54:11 states "O afflicted city,lashed by storms and not comforted,I will build you with stones of turquoise,your foundations with sapphires". He is gentle,and Loving, but firm in certain Laws that guide Man to Righteousness and Purity. He requires obedience and Faithfulness of a sincere Heart.
---rosem4839 on 2/17/07

The Israelites were God's chosen people. God did set them apart from everyone else. He presented Himself only to the Jews in the Old Testament. All other tribes or nations had no hope. It was as God had purposed. There was a reason and only God knows why He choose them. To say that God is a prejudical racist is so wrong. When has God ever had to make a decision to our understanding? Never. Only people that have a corrupt mind will answer that way.
---Lisas on 2/17/07

2. There is no true Christians in hell. Not possible at all. All true Christian have eternal life with Christ. Ezekiel 37:11 is the key to the interpretation of the visison. It is the resurrection and salvation of Israel. First He brings them to life, then, ""I will put My Spirit in you" Performed it". Here God's reputation is at stake in the restoration and regeneration of Israel into the Land. He must do as He promised.
---Lisas on 2/17/07

Eloy; Lk.23.46 says nothing about "Paradise" (your assumption?)or about taking the thief (assumption?) Into your hands I commend My spirit means He entrusted His life-force (spirit) to His Father to re-activate Him (ressurect) which He did on the 3rd day! Don't you believe He died?
---1st_cliff on 2/17/07

.cliff, the spirit in the man, that very day went with the Spirit in Jesus to paradise, just as he had said. Please read Luke 23:46.
---Eloy on 2/16/07

Eloy; Why do you say he was "taken to paradise" when actually He went to the tomb that day? The statement "You will be with me in Paradise" was a future promise when Jesus "came into His Kingdom" as the thief asked "remember me when you come "into Your Kingdom"!
---1st_cliff on 2/16/07

.steveng, one criminal bore the good fruit of repentance, and the other did not. Therefore the one bearing good fruit was taken to paradise by Jesus, and the other was given to hell.
---Eloy on 2/15/07

Eloy: " matter what they believe or think. If they have no fruit, then are they fake and totally devoid of truth and salvation..." Then the thief on the cross next to Jesus is not saved?
---Steveng on 2/12/07

Eloy: "When Christ Commands "Do this...", but "so-called" Christians do something else, then are they really Christians? Indeed no,..." They could be weak Christians. Or God will punish them like he did with Jonah who was told to go in one direction but went the other way.
---Steveng on 2/12/07

John; Being grafted in to Christ as the vine is OK but the implication here was that Israel was the vine we were grafted into - hence my statement!
---1st_cliff on 2/12/07

Eloy, How do you know when folks have good "fruit"? Jesus was not rude nor arrogant. 9 times out of 10 you see Him appealing - not accusing. Accusing is relegated to Satan who is called the "accuser of the brethren." My perception is that you often accuse, but rarely appeal, encourage, or build up. So, what fruit are you producing? With all that you write/say, do you ever examine your own heart's motives and agendas?
---daphn8897 on 2/12/07

1st.cliff. Why would we want to be part of a vine that rejects Christ? Because in John 15:5 it says that Jesus is the vine. I'd be honoured to be grafted in, not because of the branches that reject but because Jesus is what I'm grafted into.
Also, in Rom.11 we see Jesus as the root and we become part of the plant that feeds on the root.
---john on 2/12/07

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1st cliff, "Why would we want to be part of the "vine" that rejects Christ?" Good question. But, it isn't about what we want.. but is about God's design. Our being grafted in to the vine does not mean we are "pseudo-Israelites (by adoption)", though we have been adopted... It means we are a part of that which is rooted in Him. We, having become believers in Christ, receive life from roots planted by the Father. Also, Christianity was originally considered a sect of Judiasm.
---daphn8897 on 2/12/07

.steveng, but they are not real Christians then, if they are not taking up their cross and following after the Lord, then they are not Christian, no matter what they believe or think. If they have no fruit, then are they fake and totally devoid of truth and salvation. When Christ Commands "Do this...", but "so-called" Christians do something else, then are they really Christians? Indeed no, not even in Name are they Christian, and they are deluded in thinking that they are.
---Eloy on 2/12/07

Continued--Another thought is that God just raised these bones through Ezekiel and now they wonder if they will be raised in the end times (A second time). Of course as one continues to read further you see that God intends to bring the lost tribes back into Israel and join them with Judah at the end of days. You know the two sticks representing the two houses. So I do not read that Israel is cut off from God permanently. Just at this time.
---Anthony on 2/11/07

So many on this blog have stated that Christians are "grafted in" meaning that Israel is the vine and Christians are grafted onto this vine making them pseudo-Israelites (by adoption) Why would we want to be part of the "vine" that rejects Christ? Seeing this as "literal"(as opposed to spiritual Israel) makes no sense.
---1st_cliff on 2/11/07

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This verse is God speaking to Ezekiel about the house of Israel. The bones (representing the house of Israel in exile) say their hope is all dried up. What hope have they for salvation with the rest of the children of Israel, (Judah). Continued..
---Anthony on 2/11/07

Eloy: I have a great suggestion - read the Bible. The christians today are walking the same path the Jews did when they didn't recognized Jesus. They also believe, but deny his power. They fight among themselves because of differing doctrines. They are not preparing their oil lamps. They have become lukewarm. They are putting their trust in novels/fables instead of truth. They are mixing Babalonian religion with Christianity. Need I say more?
---Steveng on 2/10/07

Israelites (Jews) are the descendents of Israel (Jacob). He had 12 sons and they begat many children. G-d made Israel a great nation as he promised. A Jew does not become a gentile and a gentile does not become a Jew same as a German does not become Italian. Israel is the root - the goyim (gentiles) are grafted into the tree - adopted. Many Jews are coming to know Y'shua as savior today. All the first believers were Jews. I am a Jew, saved by the blood of Y'shua through his wonderful grace.
---phyla3656 on 2/10/07

Steveng;Maybe you don't think of it that way but what you're suggesting (Jewish prosperity) is racial profiling. Hitler believed that Jews controlled the world's purse strings that eventually led him to begin extermination of the entire race! 145,000 New York City Jews are so poor they qualify for Government assistance! There are those in all races that are "gifted" in finance!
---1st_cliff on 2/10/07

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Promised Return of Israel
Ezekiel 11:16-25
The Lord says "Although I sent them far away among the nations and scattered them among the countries....I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the Land of Israel again."
Psalm 94:14
For the Lord will not REJECT his people; he will NEVER forsake his INHERITANCE.
ISRAEL- God's chosen People, Not cut off !
---DePuTy on 2/10/07

Another crucial point is that there is a false doctrine going around that Jews can be saved [without] Jesus. But the Truth is, that a Jew would have to be a [truly born-again] messianic Jew(truly accepting Jesus as Messiah and Lord, ABIDING in Him/The WHOLE Word) to be saved. Jesus is the ONLY DOOR to Heaven. The nerve of those ministers preaching "another cursed gospel", claiming that there are "other doors/ways" to eternal life, it's Apostasy. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/10/07

34. So said the Lord, Who gives the sun to illuminate by day, the laws of the moon and the stars to illuminate at night, Who stirs up the sea and its waves roar, the Lord of Hosts is His name.If these laws depart from before Me, says the Lord, so will the seed of Israel cease being a nation before Me for all time. So said the Lord: If the heavens above will be measured and the foundations of the earth below will be fathomed, I too will reject all the seed of Israel because of all they did, says the Lord.
---Anthony on 2/10/07

.steveng, there is no such thing as a corrupt Christian, for either one is Christlike or one is damned but it is not possible to be both worldly and holy at the sametime.
---Eloy on 2/10/07

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Eloy: ..." Hell is full of corrupt Israelites." Hell is also full of corrupt Christians.
---Steveng on 2/9/07

Does not much of this depend upon whether you are a dispensationalist in your views? I think scripture does indicated the Lord does hold the nation of Israel as His people, but also that, in the NT, we are grafted in... What are we "grafted" into? I submit the favored vine of the nation of Israel. Though there is a veil over their eyes, it will be removed and they, as a nation, will weep and call Him/Jesus Lord.
---daphn8897 on 2/9/07

The so-called "chosen" Israelites who were lost said to Jesus, "Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you all were Abraham's children, you all would do the works of Abraham. But now you all seek to kill me...this did not Abraham. You all do the deeds of your father. You all are from the father who's devil, and the desires of your father you all will do. Please read Luke 3:8; John 8:24.
---Eloy on 2/9/07

A major false doctrine today professes that God favors the Jews, they are the chosen, and God is a prejudical racist and a respecter of persons. But the Bible teaches that a true Jew is one who is a Jew in heart, regardless of their race or nationality, and not one outwardly by physical ancestorship. Christ Jesus is a Jew, and by becoming born-again, the Christian convert becomes a Jew. Please read John 8:33-47; Acts 17:26; Romans 2:28,29; Galatians 3:27-29.
---Eloy on 2/9/07

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There already ARE many Jews that are coming to Messiah. This is the reason for the growing Messianic Jewish Community and congregations throughout the US, Israel and the world.
---Phyllis on 2/8/07

God is not prejudice nor a repecter of persons, if you're stiff-necked and hard-hearted, then you're condemned to hell, no matter if you're an Israelite or a nonIsraelite. Hell is full of corrupt Israelites. For God demands obedience, and if you choose to dis him, then you're damned whether or not you were the chosen of him or not the chosen of him. You can either be God's child or the devil's child depending on whom you choose to serve, and your eternal destination depends on your choice.
---Eloy on 2/8/07

God never breaks a promise. The Israelites are still God's chosen people, albeit backsliden like they always have in the past. But God is patient with them as he is patient with all sinners. Doesn't it seem strange that everywhere they go in the world, from the mountains to the deserts, they seem to prosper? And today's Christians are following the Israelites in the stiffneckness.
---Steveng on 2/8/07

DePuty;No offence taken.I like to examine all sides in order to come to any conclusion, just to follow the crowd is not my style. Sometimes our view is very narrow due to what "seems" to be the answer,but remember that satan never sleeps and could deceive even the "elect" (whoever they are) I also agree with Mrs. Morgan that "some" Jews will convert. (as will those of any other race) There's no "favored" race)Gal.3.28.
---1st_cliff on 2/8/07

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DePuty; Consider this, in 64AD the Romans surrounded Jerusalem as Jesus prophesied. He said flee to the mountains, and so many did. For no explained reason the Romans left, the Jews came back (contrary to Jesus' warning. In 70AD They(Romans) again surrounded the city,The people tried to escape swallowing their gold, consequently those foud escaping were cut open, 97,000 died in that episode,God did not come to their rescue! cont..2
---1st_cliff on 2/8/07

DePuty 2: From the mid 1930s to 1945 the Jews suffered the worst persecution ever,robbed,raped,tortured,mutilated,gassed and incinerated. Again no rescue by God! If they were His "chosen" how was it indicated ?
---1st_cliff on 2/8/07

1st Cliff.
My knowledge is not more superior than others. I respect your point of view, and i'm sorry- didn't mean to offend. I do agree that some is spiritual, but not all. By FAITH we (gentiles) are also saved, but that does not leave Israel out of the equation.
I very much agree with Mrs. Morgan's comments. I strongly believe that Israel will have a lot to do with unfolding events during the tribulation hour.
God bless you both!
---DePuTy on 2/8/07

(1.)Since some 2,000 years ago, Israel/The Jewish Dispensation has been put on hold, and the Church Dispensation came to life from the "pierced side"of Christ. God remembers His promise to Israel, and some will come to the saving knowledge of His truth soon.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/7/07

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(2.)God gave Israel 490 years to make reconciliation for their iniquity, to be restored back to Him according to (Daniel 9:24), But they have been put in "suspension" at [483 yrs], ever since some 2,000 yrs ago, when they foolishly[rejected] Christ. As for the "remainder" of those 7 yrs. for them to come to the Lord's Truth, it's coming soon, it occurs [after] the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, which is the 7 yr. Tribulation Period. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/7/07

DePuty; Maybe from your vast and superior bible knowledge you will enlighten us as to who are the "Israel of God" (Gal.6.16) ,like Rom.9.6 says " not all who are of Israel are Israel" because there are "no longer JEW nor Greek(talking nationality here) nor slave nor freeman" (Gal.3.28 Even with Joel 3 you do not have the far-sightedness to see the prophecy is about "spiritual Israel"
---1st_cliff on 2/7/07

If we (gentiles) are grafted into the root stock with the natural branches (jews) then the natural branches are still part of the plant.
---john on 2/6/07

Both of these statements are true."Jews are still G-d's chosen people." AND "Christians are now His chosen." Christians are an(grafted in )addition to the chosen(elect). Is God cannot not free to mix as he desires?
---Mima on 2/6/07

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1st Cliff.
Keep the maturity comments to yourself; I'm sorry if you have poor lack of knowledge of the bible.
If Israel is cutt off- has this happened yet?
JOEL 3 -GOD concerning ISRAEL-
In those days and at that time, when I RESTORE the fortunes of JUDAH and JERUSALEM, I will gather ALL nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. I will enter into judgement against them concerning my INHERITANCE, my people ISRAEL!
Once again brother, just trying to help you, God bless!
---DePuTy on 2/5/07

Romans 11 shows how God will fulfill his promises to the nation of Israel. Although Replacement theology wrongly claims the contrary, Jewish disobedience (v. 30) does not annul Gods promises to Israel, because Gods free gifts and his calling are irrevocable (v. 29). Shaul therefore cautions Gentile believers in Yeshua against antisemitism and false pride (vs 13 to 26), while showing them what should be their active role in hastening the salvation of the Jewish people. Jews are still G-d's chosen people.
---Phyllis on 2/5/07

DePuty; It's easy to label someone a liar for not agreeing with you,but it's lack of maturity!Gen.17.8 God calls it His everlasting covenant.(like any contract,the other party can break it nullifying it. IE Gen. 17.14 "he has broken my covenant" So with Israel all thru Jeremiah, he pleads with them but alas they broke His covenant once too often. Enter Babylon,their captivity,release, but never again self rule!Trodden down by Gentiles for their breach of contract! Christians are now His chosen.
---1st_cliff on 2/5/07

Phyllis; Like so many others, you read into the bible, things which are not there, John 14.6 says nothing about "getting to heaven" now does it?
---1st_cliff on 2/5/07

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1st cliff
Genesis 17:8 The covenant between GOD and Abram (Father of Israel).
The WHOLE land of Canaan (what is today Israel), where you are now an alien. I will give as an EVERLASTING possession to you..I will be your GOD!
GOD is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, the he should CHANGE his MIND!

By your own words and views you are calling GOD a LIAR!
From one brother to another, learn the truth, GOD bless!
---DePuTy on 2/4/07

1st Cliff - please read the rest of Jeremiah chapter 3 along with chapter 4. Adonai is asking Israel and Y'hudah, his backslidden children, to come back to him. And, whether Jew or Gentile, we can only get to heaven through Messiah Y'shua (John 14:6)
---phyllis on 2/4/07

DePuty; Yes I studied Ez. some 40 yrs ago.The Soviet Union was a super power, now Russia is just another nation and does not have the strength or population of China! If you think New Jerusalem is literal consider that it's 1500 miles in height,(a cube) way past the space station? Reality check DePuty!
---1st_cliff on 2/4/07

1st Cliff
It appears to me that based on your opinions, you haven't read the prophecies of Ezekiel. Have you read the Part about the Gog Magog invasion against Israel? I don't think you have.
Gog Magog = Russia! This event has never happend in recorded history, but it will happen during the tribulation hour.
Or, have you read -Revelation 21 'The new Jerusalem'?
Please read your Bible carefully and you will learn that the Israelites are not cut off from GOD as you claim! GOD Bless!
---DePuTy on 2/4/07

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DePuty; While satan is entertaining you (fundamentalists) with his smoke and mirror act ,the political state of Israel, The real "Israel of God" is about to be tested to the limit.But you keep your eyes on the middle east,while unnoticed satan is about to surprise you! Like a thief in the night!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/07

1st Cliff
Did I say that 70 AD never happend? Stop putting words in my mouth.
I am very aware that some parts of Jerusalem are still occupied by others.
But consider this FACT, Jerusalem and ALL of Israel was occupied by Gentiles for thousands of years. Is it a coincidence that after nearly 3,000 years the Jews are back in their homeland? No! Jesus Christ said it would happen.
So are you trying to say you know more than GOD? I'm sorry brother but your thinking is wrong. GOD Bless!
---DePuTy on 2/2/07

Steveng; If you can educate yourself by sitting at home listening to inaudible voices, that's your privilege. Why would you send your kids to school when they can learn at home with no visable teacher? Would they graduate? Bible schools have "reference" books for "learning" without which you could never get a D.D. as a more knowledgable Pastor.
---1st_cliff on 2/2/07

1stCliff: Why in the world would a mature Christian take all those reference books when a person has the greatest source of information in the universe - the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 2/1/07

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DePuty: There's nothing wrong with my history.Are you saying 70AD never happend? 1967 Israel "recaptured Jerusalem?" You don't know about EAST Jerusalem? Palistinians occupy E.Jerusalem. God does not do 1/2 a job! The Dome of the Rock mosque sits on the site of the former Jewish temple! The 6 day war rings a bell but they didn't make out that well in Lebonon last year! You speak "facts?"
---1st_cliff on 2/1/07

Rom 11:26 and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
This chapter shows that although Israel is a disobedient people, God still has a covenant with them that is everlasting. I don't agree with what those people are doing but the end result is that God will not forsake them and use us to win them.
---john on 2/1/07

Steveng; Thanks for your suggestion,but that way you will learn nothing! I suggest you take a concordance,lexicon,interlinear, bible dictionary and some history books then there's less "guess work" in your study!
---1st_cliff on 2/1/07

Cliff, get your history right brother.
In 638 the Muslim Caliph Umar captured Jerusalem. Jerusalem was under Muslim control for 4 centuries.

Does the Arab-Israeli six day War ring a bell?
On June 6, 1967 -The Israelites RECAPUTURED Jerusalem.

I speak F A C T not opinion. I'm just trying to help you out brother. Peace.
---DuPuTy on 2/1/07

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DePuty; No opinion,Jerusalem was surrounded and sacked in 70 AD by Titus just as Jesus had told them.That was the "literal" fulfillment. It's people like you who don't understand type and anti-type!
---1st_cliff on 2/1/07

1stCliff: Before you stick your foot deeper into your mouth, I suggest you take a year Sabbatical from the world and read, study, meditate, ponder the Bible from the beginning to the end. Guided, of course, by the Holy Spirit. Bring no concordances, dictionaries, novels, or any other Christians reference book.
---Steveng on 1/31/07

Cliff, Stop giving opinion and learn to Listen to the Word of GOD (Bible). Jesus talking to the apostles about the end of the age said (LUKE 21:20) 'When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know thats its desolation is near'. How can this be spiritual? It's people like you that continue to decieve many! With GOD nothing is IMPOSSIBLE, why do you limit GOD's power? The jews lost their home thousands of years ago, and recaptured Jerusalem in the 1950's.
---DePuTy on 1/31/07

DePuty; You obviously don't know the difference between spiritual and literal "Isrealites" There are more Jews in the USA (maybe even in New York)than in Israel! Gathering "all" the Jews back is not possable!
---1st_cliff on 1/31/07

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Israel was cut off at one point, but remember, Israel is GOD's chosen people. He established an everlasting covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. On May 14, 1948 the prophecy of Ezekiel 36:24 came true "For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land." Remember-Jesus is Jew, Jews are Israelites = GOD's inheritance through whom GOD chose for man's salvation.
---DePuTy on 1/31/07

We are grafted into Jesus the true vine not the Jews who are cut off, if that were so we would be grafted into a branch that is not in God.
---exzucuh on 1/30/07

Steveng; Thanks for your views,I believe that Gd divorced Israel (Jer.3.8) and that Israel and Jerusalem are used figuratively in the NT and that without a relationship with Christ (which the Jews do not have) they are the same as any other nationality and are not saved simply because they are born Jewish!
---1st_cliff on 1/30/07

1stCliff: The Jews are still God's people, forever promises made by God. Christians are only grafted into the Judea vine, not a replacement. We are the heirs to the promise. The Jewish people still have a purpose during the end times. Many end time prophesies concern the Jewish people, Israel, and more specifically Jerusalem.
---Steveng on 1/29/07

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Steveng;In all those countries that you mentioned,do you think that the Jews there embrace Christ as their saviour? So God is prospering those that do not accept His Son's sacrifice ? If they prosper it's because they aid each other and not divine assistance! Does god embrace those who make their own rules? Christians are His people not the Jews (as a race) Don't you think?
---1st_cliff on 1/29/07

The kingdom of God is in me. Helps me to do right, to want to do right, tells me what to do I do it, my reward is unbelivable. JOY I have never had before. Also, love for God. He is your life.
---CATHERINE on 1/28/07

They wanted spirit and courage for such a difficult and hazardous enterprise as this was of returning to their own land. Page 1073 in your MATTHEW Henry's Commentary.
---CATHERINE on 1/28/07

1stcliff: Prosper and prosperity have two differnt meanings. Look them up. The United States don't aide the Jews living in Africa, the Arab countries, Russia, South America, the Philippines. They have a knack of prospering wherever they settle. The Jews in Israel today denounced God. That's why they are now having a hard time even though they proper in agriculture. The Jews in the other countries are still God's people as promised that He would take care of them if they come to Him.
---Steveng on 1/28/07

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Exzucuh; Maybe you could describe this "Kingdom" that is inside you? Could you do that?
---1st_cliff on 1/28/07

Do you want that tree shaking story Jesus gave Nicodemus, why don't you ask Jesus he's the one that put this Kingdom in me maybe he will tell you how he did it.
---exzucuh on 1/27/07

Exucuh; Mabe you could enlighten me as to how a "kingdom" can be inside a person!" since you don't accept my statement.
---1st_cliff on 1/27/07

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