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Does the Roman Catholic Church say that if you are not a Roman Catholic, you cannot get to heaven? Please could all Catholics here reply to this question?

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Make your Election sure duane, as our Lord made His. Salvation
is being in God's presence, before him. Even Jesus said:
John 8:29: "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left
me alone; for I do always those things that please him."
---Nana on 8/30/07

Matthew::Congratulations. you did a good job On repentance & the need & why itis so important for Salvation.This is what life is all about Live love Repent Get Better & strive harder to attain that level of Perfection which is the pass Port to Heaven.Jesus words "Be Perfect as Your Heavenly Father is Perfect"He said it because HE KNEW IT WAS POSSIBLE.
---Emcee on 3/12/07

Duane, to say that repentance is unecessary is a lie. Look at these passages. Our sins aren't forgiven unless we repented of them.
Luke 5:32
"I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
Mark 1:4
"And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."
Matthew 3:8
"Produce fruit in keeping with repentance."
---Matthew on 3/12/07

2) Duane, repentance and forgiveness go hand in hand.
Luke 24:47
and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 5:31
God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.
Acts 20:21
I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
---Matthew on 3/12/07

3) Duane, salvation and repentance go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.
2 Corinthians 7:9
yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.
2 Corinthians 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
---Matthew on 3/12/07

Hello, Brother Ramon! I penpaled you a couple days ago, check your penpal. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/12/07

4) Duane, You either perish or repent.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

He doesn't want everyone to perish but instead wants everyone to repent.
non repentance = perish, Faith in Christ + repentance = salvation
---Matthew on 3/12/07

5) Here is another passage than can help one understand repentance and forgiveness goes hand in hand. Jesus said this
Luke 17:3
"If your brother(fellow Christian) sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him."
I added the fellow Christian because that is what brother means. Jesus gave this as a commandment and so must be in accordance with God's will and CHARACTER. Why would Jesus ask us to do something God wouldn't do?
---Matthew on 3/12/07

6)According to what you say, Duane, God forgives sins that are unrepented of. but Jesus said for us NOT to do that. So why would God do different? Here is another passage.
Luke 6:37
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
---Matthew on 3/12/07

7) (Mark 11:25)
And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

So we see forgiving others and not harboring any grudges is also necessary. Even the Lord's prayer says this

Luke 11:4
Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespassed against us. And lead us not into temptation.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
---Matthew on 3/12/07

8) John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
One of my favorite passages. Faith in Jesus is faith in God's word. Because Jesus is the Word. Which was said in John 1. This is why John could say this knowing that it is only through faith in Jesus that we are sanctified. Because Jesus is also the word of God. Having faith in Jesus is also having faith in the Word of God. I pray Duane that you will turn around and see the light.
---Matthew on 3/12/07

Hello Mrs.Morgan! Can you give me your penpal name again. Thanks.
---Ramon on 3/12/07

Faith is all we need, repentance is a by product.
---duane on 3/12/07

The path to heaven is narrow.
Many are called but few are chosen.
If everyone who believed Jesus Christ is the Son of God are going to heaven then heaven is going to be extremely crowded. The problem is many believe but never repented. The gift of salvation is not given to those who wish to stay enemies of God. I learned this the hard way. I went through years of believing in Christ falsely. Praise God he opened my eyes to the truth and taught me repentance.
---Matthew on 3/11/07

Mrs Morgan,
The path through Jesus is wide open....
Come unto me, I will give you rest...
All we need, is to believe on Him (faith)
---duane on 3/11/07

no our church does not say so,i have been brought up in a catholic church all my life and i have never heard anything like that been said in church. we are taught about the word of God and the word says nothing about non catholics not going to heaven. we are all here for one purpose and that is to serve God and we should stop seperating ourselfs and clasifiying ourselfs and look at fulfiling our greater purpose and that is to praise and worship God in all that we do and say.
---makgomo on 3/11/07

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"Some only quote part of scripture...leave out the good part..."

(Heb.12:15): Duane,What's your idea of the"good part"? Do you really take the Scriptures as a whole,or adjust Them to your own tastes& desires?God don't contradict Himself,but you do, He is clear about being saved by Grace,then walking [His]narrow Sanctifying-Path(Matt.7:14,21)leading to eternal life(Isa.35:8).If you wish to believe in fairy tales,know there's a grave price to pay(James1:27)(Gal.5:1).
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/10/07

Some only quote part of scripture and leave out the good part..For all HAVE sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by His grace through the blood of Christ.Being justified by His blood we SHALL be saved. Rom 3 23:24
---duane on 3/10/07

"Mrs Morgan,
I owe you an appology.I was thinking of what Rebecca had said, not you but I wrote your name not hers. Sorry about that.
" --BRUCE5656.

--That's okay, Bruce. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/10/07

duane, I supposse that the statement made by Jesus bothers you too?:
Mark 10:18: "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." If you do happen to speak to any of them and get an answer to the saying, please do post it for our enlightenment!
---Nana on 3/10/07

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Hello brother Deputy, "all sin and come short of the glory of God" When you said that there was people without sin, you have to compare those passages with all others so they do not contradict each other. It's easy to fall astray when someone doesn't take the time to read all of Scripture.
---karen on 3/10/07

Bruce, I just have a tough time believing that every OSAS supporter is in a path of truth. Don't get me wrong, I know OSAS believers that are saved. One of them is in my family. I just also know there are a considerable amount of people that abuse OSAS and use it as a reason to live in the world. They use the "Well I have faith in Christ that is what saves me defense." If they were grounded in a more stern doctrine(one that taught about falling by going back to the world) this wouldn't happen.
---Matthew on 3/10/07

Brother Bruce, you are so correct. I cannot stand hearing over and over the same answers. if someone has not got it yet, then they need to continue to study. Justification by faith in Christ should give us enough to study on. You gave very good points yourself on one of the OSAS questions.
---karen on 3/9/07

Brother Duane, your answers are more clear, Praise God you have come on line to give your heart out to others.
---karen on 3/9/07

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Emcee, that was great. I loved your answer. You have made my day. I hope in return I make yours tomorrow. I want to thank you for been so patient with so many. I know you get a lot from me and others sometimes. I guess if our denominations were as old as yours, and as big, we would have a history to look at and judge. There is much wrong in many other denominations, and many evil people doing much wrong in others too, but it's hard to look for their history as they are so many with unfamiliar names.
---Lisas on 3/9/07

Mrs Morgan,
I owe you an appology.

I was thinking of what Rebecca had said, not you but I wrote your name not hers.

Sorry about that.
---BRUCE5656 on 3/9/07

Bruce, I was really hoping that Matthew would not fall into that view that we are saved by works. I was waiting to hear from Matthew and I am so glad to read what he posted. I was worried about him but not anymore. The truth in the end is what counts. No more from me Bruce, I will let others do the talking. Please forgive me Bruce. I just like to defend the faith. Really, The Faith.
---Lisas on 3/9/07

Deputy, though all men were regarded as sinners (verse 12) because there was no explicit list of commands, there was no strict accounting of thier specific points of violation. When there is no law, was the period from Adam to Moses, when God had not yet given the Mosaic law. They were already sinners but did not know they were. It is a big difference then to say there was sinless people. No one is sinless. Only Christ was.
---Lisas on 3/9/07

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BRUCE, Your analysis of what I believe is invalid/incomplete.It's about Walking in the Spirit like Paul said,You mentioned "daily repenting"? If one walks in the Truth(in the Spirit),why would one need to repent?It's "extreme" that people DOUBT Jesus can keep them from falling back into darkness,setting themselves up to fail.Walking in the Spirit isn't a do-it-yourself job,it's the work of the Spirit,He can't work if He's hindered by Doubt&Defiance.(Rom.1:17)(Jude1:24).
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/9/07

When saved people come in here and say there sinners and need to be forgiven, that bothers me. We need to get back to the cross and believe that it was Christs work that set Christians free from sin.
When will we really believe that Jesus Christ took sin away and reconciled mankind to God.
---duane on 3/9/07

Good answer, Lloyd! I can't improve on that...
---Crystal on 3/9/07

Duane and Karen, your recent posts here reflect good Catholic teaching and good Protestant teaching too for many. Amen.

As for some of the others, nothing impure can enter heaven, a single stain of sin would make the purity of heaven unbearable. However, as I posted elsewhere John in his epistle wrote that not all sins kill - i.e. merit Hell. Those sins that do not kill can be cleansed again through the means established by Christ, though no more sacrifice for sin exists - Hebrews 10:26-29.
---lorra8574 on 3/9/07

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Your comment--"You said even people without sin face death. Who are this people you speak of? Who are the one's without sin?"

Why don't you READ the Word of God, and God will tell you through the God inspired writings of Paul! It is Not me who said it, it was the Apostle Paul!!!
[ROMANS 5] "Death through Adam, Life through Christ!"
[v.14] "Death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who DID NOT sin.."
---DePuTy on 3/9/07


Obviously you are quick to jump the Gun on folks and slow to READ the Word [Bible]!
Your comment--"Who are this people you speak of?"

[Romans 5:14] "..Even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did ADAM, who is a pattern of the one to come."
The answer to your question is Adam, and I'm pretty sure he is just one mentioned of the countless others!!
---DePuTy on 3/9/07


Your comment--"There is no one righteous that is lost."
By your comments your calling Paul, a servant of Christ, a liar!

[Romans 5:15] "..By God's GRACE came the gift- Jesus Christ!"
Jesus Christ came into the World to stop what was happening in verse 14 "Death to ALL, even those who did not sin!" Because through Adam life was cursed due to his disobedience to God! Through Christ there is now Salvation that was not there before!
---DePuTy on 3/9/07

John 16:6 Jesus said I am the way and the truth and life. No one can come to the Father except through me. Revelation 3:20 Here I am at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with Him and he with me.
What does that sound like to you? Anyone doen't mean Catholics alone.
---Lloyd on 3/9/07

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Yes, thats what I meant. We are saved through faith only, then God can work through us.
I believe this to be true
---duane on 3/9/07

Lisas, Matthew etc/,

I beleive it was Lisas that I had written to about people believing it was the "flesh" that sins not the redeemed "inner man" so therefore it was not sin that would "count."

Duane's post below is a good case in point.

However, I recognize that not all OSAS have that attitude.
---BRUCE5656 on 3/9/07

Eloy and Mrs Morgan's stand that one sin will dissallow you from entrance into heaven represents the other extreme. (Mind you they constantly dance around reconciling that stand with the concept that we do not have to live in constant fear that Jesus might come before a time of "daily repentance" takes place.) Even for me to challenge the logic of that stand I become a sin supporter.
---BRUCE5656 on 3/9/07

However, as in the case of Duane's OSAS statements, not every non-OSAS supporter believes as they do.

Yet, the whole OSAS argument is the same over and over:

OSAS - You non-OSAS people believe that your salvation hangs by a thread.

non-OSAS - You OSAS people believe you can live like the devil.

Don't you get tired of this endless extreme posturing? How can you stand to keep going over the same thing over and over?
---BRUCE5656 on 3/9/07

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A Very powerful religious spirit demon, is responsible for the CONTROLING, MANIPULATION, of the catholic church, Jesus said WHOSOEVER, beleives on the Lord Jesus Christ would be saved, we are not to be in BONDAGE TO A CHURCH. No where in the whole entire bible do I even find the word Catholic, Please don't be a follower of religion, be a follower of Jesus and HIM CRUCIFIED, AND RISEN AGAIN, He went to prepare a place for you so that where He is, you can be also.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/9/07

Thank you Duane, I believe you are more correct in your answer. You are saved by Christ sacrafice on the cross, and works do follow. Not the other way around. What's your impute on this? Or did I read you wrong?
---karen on 3/9/07

So what you are saying deputy is that all people are saved by that grace not just the believers, is that what you are saying? You said even people without sin face death. Who are this people you speak of? Who are the one's without sin? You also said, all living a righteous life could have life. What life is that? Eternal? Who is the righteous you are talking about? The Christians or the all people?
---Lisas on 3/8/07

2. There is no one righteous that is lost. The only one's that are righeous are the one's saved that Christ has imputed His righteousness on them. The grace of mercy comes to those that God shows mercy to. Not all get mercy, others get justice. And last of all, no one is without sin. They are forgiven but they still sin. So your whole theory is worse then Morgan's. Somewhere you lost the whole concept of Scripture.
---Lisas on 3/9/07

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Matthew::All christians claim Righteousness in a big way "WHAT IS RIGHTEOUSNESS"I thought righteousness was of God alone ,because we are all sinners at one time or another as we do have to ask pardon for transgressions on a daily & sometimes hourly basis.
---Emcee on 3/8/07

Matthew::All christians claim Righteousness in a big way "WHAT IS RIGHTEOUSNESS"I thought righteousness was of God alone ,because we are all sinners at one time or another as we do have to ask pardon for transgressions on a daily & sometimes hourly basis.
---Emcee on 3/8/07

**Yielding to God is synonomous with yielding to obedience. Yielding to God leads to righteousness.**

And just how do you know when you've yielded to God, obedience, and righteousness, Matthew?

Remember, God doesn't think the same way you do.
---Jack on 3/8/07

Matthew, beautifully written, AMEN!
---lorra8574 on 3/8/07

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Yes Matthew, obey the lord, ask Him, What must I do to be saved? Jesus says, believe on Him who He has sent. He wants your child like faith only. As far as works? The lord can now do His works through you.
He is the vine we are the branches, we abide in Him,(thats our work)... He produces the fruit, we rest in Him.
---duane on 3/8/07

Jesus said follow [Me], follow means to obey,that's our only saftey,living in the [Word], we are NOT to obey ourselves & men(like most do on that WIDE road of destruction), but rather God.Paul said it's better to obey [God] rather than men(Acts 5:29).Christians that make excuses for not obeying Jesus' Word,are worse than "all out" sinners,Paul said how much sorer will their punishment be(Heb.10:29)(Jude 1:4)?It would of been better if they never knew of the Truth,the Word says. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/8/07

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Some might wonder but we are supposed to yield to God. Well here is a little secret. Yielding to God is synonomous with yielding to obedience. Yielding to God leads to righteousness.
---Matthew on 3/8/07

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Without holiness we may not see the Lord. But only those who have faith in Christ will be saved? Right! Thus those who are holy are those who have the right faith in Jesus. The faith that says, "You are Lord of my life and I am now under your will." Rather than the faith that says, "Well all I need to do is believe."
---Matthew on 3/8/07

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That latter faith is pointless if one doesn't yield to God and let HIS obedience that comes FROM HIM shine through you. Because only those who are holy enter the kingdom. Holiness that comes not from man's works but the work's of the Spirit that come from which man CANNOT take credit for and CANNOT boast about because it is God within them. There is a HUGE difference between works of man and works of the Spirit. Works of the Spirit comes by yielding to God the other by doing.
---Matthew on 3/8/07


I added nothing to the scripture!
It is what it is!
That scripture is about GRACE! "Even people without SIN faced death!" By the GRACE of God came the gift- JESUS CHRIST!- that through him ALL living a righteous life could now have LIFE! The scripture is CLEAR!
Grace is included in the verses I mentioned!
---DePuTy on 3/8/07

Deputy, if you continued your passages on Romans 5:18, "Therefore, as through one man's sin (Adam) offense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's (Christ) righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's(Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's (Christ) obedience many will be made righteous.
---Lisas on 3/8/07

2. "Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness (Christ) to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Pretty clear that through Jesus Christ obedience to the Father we are saved. And so that Grace will reign against sin in the believers life.
---Lisas on 3/8/07

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3. Please stop adding your own words to God's for they are not included in our salvation. Works is not a part of that grace, for if it was, it is no longer Grace.
---Lisas on 3/8/07

Amen, DePuTy. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/7/07


[ROMANS 3:23-24] "ALL fall short of the glory of God"
[ROMANS 5] "Death through Adam, Life through Christ!"
[v.14] "Death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who DID NOT sin.."
This verse establishes that NO ONE was worthy to enter into HEAVEN not even those who had not sinned because Adam cursed ALL life and so ALL life began to Die!
---DePuTy on 3/7/07


[v.17] "..righteousness reigned in Life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"

This establishes that by Christ the righteous can now enter HEAVEN! This does not mean that we can continue to sin! On the contrary, by Christ we now have an opportunity to enter heaven by living a righteous life!
The Apostles continued to preach this even after Christ had ascended into heaven! We must all live a life away from sin and wickedness!
---DePuTy on 3/7/07

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The young ruler went through the motions yet really didn't[know] God, Jesus discerned his heart,knew money/excuses was his master. Excuses is a impediment when it comes to serving God. God hates excuses,Jesus suffered unknown agony, yet some have excuses,enjoy ministers that preach doctrines of excuses, it's bondage,lacks the Spirit(2 Corinth.3:17). God offers His power, yet some prefer excuses,will even distort Scripture to [continue in] excuses(Rom.1:18-20)(James 4:7-10).
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/7/07

"Jesus taught that we're to examine the fruit of those who claim to speak for God."

--This is very true, I have noticed that God's [true] people have this in common, They believe in serving Him in Spirit and in Truth, and they hate excuses. In regard to the downfall of man, it all started with excuses, "God said to do this, but.....", it's deceit.
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/7/07

God's Word/Truth will either save a person or condemn them, We are judged by the Word, not man's opinions. If God be God then serve Him, obey Him. Jesus said follow Him/His Word. "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free(John 8:31,32)". God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/7/07

Morgan, Jesus taught that we're to examine the fruit of those who claim to speak for God. But in verse 1 Jesus is telling us to stop critizing and condemning people. Stop finding fault with others. Stop being self-righeous. Stop impugning people's motives when you can't read their hearts. Stop pushing your criticism to the point where you're playing God. And that is your motives to me for agreeing that I believe Faith in Christ is what saves us.
---Lisas on 3/7/07

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#2Morgan: Jesus then went on to teach that before you try to remove the splinter you see with your own eyes, out of your brother's eye, you ought to get the two-by-four out of your own eye first. (Matthew 7:3-5) Since you cannot see my heart, or my motives you try to impute your motives to me pushing your criticism also continualessly. The moralist claims he doesn't do the things the others do. He claims he doesn't commit sins, that he's a moral man who keeps the law of God.
---Lisas on 3/7/07

#3. Like the rich young ruler he says, "All these things have I kept from my youth up" what an illusion that was. Matthew 19:20. Take some advice,
---Lisas on 3/7/07

I guess most here dont believe Jesus took sin away. Our sins not counted against us..sad
Most here want to ask forgiveness for something they are set free from..Are we a contradiction?
---duane on 3/7/07

"I dont feel a need to ask forgiveness
(only thankfulness) because faith tells
me I am forgiven..How else can I be saved?"
---duane on 3/6/07
---Nana on 3/7/07

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Suppose a Man walks up to you and after spitting in your face
proceeds to knock you out with a baseball bat... Will you have
"only thankfulness" for that Man? How about if that Man tells you
that he is extremely "thankful" to have been able to turn your
lights out; would you just feel "only thankfulness" for the Man?
---Nana on 3/7/07

After all, the whole incident came about by that mindless flesh and as you say "People sin because the flesh will always sin at
times." The Bible tells us to forgive our Brother if he repents:
Luke 17:3: "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against
thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."
---Nana on 3/7/07

In case you may think: what is my relationship with my Brother got
to do with Salvation? Well duane, everything! Have you not read
Matthew 5:23-26? God do not even want to see you until you get
right with your brother. Are you right with your brother and if not,
do you get right when wrong or wronged? God does not make a
special exception for the deeds of the "flesh".
---Nana on 3/7/07

Are the teachings of Jesus before Calvary still valid today? I do
believe so. I do believe we all should in all things strive for
righteousness. Not self righteousness but just, and a lover of
justice. That is my focus and my goal and it has been also
commanded to me, that there be no doubt about it in me.
---Nana on 3/7/07

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You have heard and believe that Salvation is a Gift. Any Christian
will tell you that it is the most precious treasure! Now I call your
attention to: Matthew 7:6: "Give not that which is holy unto the
dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample
them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
---Nana on 3/7/07

Well duane, anything proceeding from God is Holy as he is Holy!
For that reason sinners are called to Repentance. The dogs and the
swine are the Proud and the Sinners. Salvation is for the widows,
the orphans, the broken hearted, the oppressed, so on, and the
humble saints... I said "humble saints" although it should go
without saying...
---Nana on 3/7/07

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