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Is Salvation A Legal Contract

Is our salvation a legal, binding contract already signed by the Lord Jesus Christ?

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Anne, 2: Since I begin answering most of you on this subject, I have made it clear that God saves sinners by grace. That true faith comes from God, "Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" And that self works cannot save you, but that works is the evidence of your faith, because it demonstrates the Works of the Spirit in you. That God gets credit for our whole salvation, not only from bringing us to life, but giving us the Spirit who gets credit for the works we do. That God not only grants us faith to believe, but repentance. All is the work of God in the genuine believer. Man gets no credit whatsoever. That he is save is a miracle of God. No conditions, it is all of God. Man only deserves death.
---MarkV. on 6/15/09

I would think most in here know we need the Cross and HIS life(NEW LIFE) to be saved.
The demons believe and know that HE came but they dont have faith. Demons have faith in Satans work not Christs work.
---duane on 6/15/09

Anne, the reason why I fight so hard for the gospel of Christ, First of all believing is not good enough and you know that already. True saving faith is not just believing, it speaks of Trust in the merits of Christ. That is true faith. Second, that faith comes from God.
You said, I mentioned how many works does a person have to do to be save? That question is legit. If the conditions of salvation stand on your works then it is not salvation. It stands on the Works of the Holy Spirit working through the believer in which you don't get credit for works, God gets the glory. If the Spirit was not in you, you wouldn't do any of the works. You want to take credit for your salvation when it is God who keeps you through His power.
---MarkV. on 6/15/09


Our works, no matter how good, were in no way sufficient for Salvation. It took the
sacrifice of the PERFECT Lamb of God, Jesus Christ and our willingness to trust and follow Him.

To say that AFTER we are saved, KEEPING our salvation depends on our own righteousness, seems to say that our righteousness equals that of Jesus.

I've never seen a Christian who is that righteous, no matter their intentions, no matter their profession.
We are to live righteous lives, to be sure, but righteous enough to merit eternal life?

If our Salvation wasn't determined by our good works, how is it NOW what determines whether we keep it?
---Donna on 6/14/09

Christianity is based on the sacrifice of Christ. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross and His full perfect merits are good enough to save us.


This is not the COMPLETE message of salvation, for if it were the complete message, then even the demons could claim salvation because they could say they believed Jesus'sacrifice on the cross and His full perfect merits are good enough to save them.

The complete message is that Jesus' sacrifice is for those who God makes brand new creatures in the Lord. Brand new creatures are changed by God's Spirit in that:
-They now follow the Holy Spirit to do His will.
-They forsake sin/darkness and live in the Light now
-They follow Him to do what is right, just, and God-glorifying
---Anne on 6/14/09

MarkV~ 6/14 You said Christianity is polluted if we need works to enter heaven. But Mark, we DO need the works of the Holy Spirit in our life, or we're not saved.

Then you said:

"How much works?"
"How good?"
"How many commandments?"
"Can we keep them? No."

1. How much works?- The Holy Spirit works in true Christians lives to do His good pleasure. We forsake our own will/works to now do God's will/works.

2. How good?- The Holy Spirit leads us to walk in His ways to do what is just, right, and God-glorifying.

3. How many commandments?- 1. love the Lord with all our heart. 2-love neighbor as self.

4. And YES we CAN keep His commands...they are easy/a delight!
---Anne on 6/14/09

No one is saved without Christ's sacrifice for we have all sinned and are stained by sin unless we have become new creatures in Christ who now live for Christ in obedience and then His blood pays for our sins.

But...we are not only saved by His grace, but ALSO through faith.

The Bible carefully teaches the difference between true faith, and dead faith.

True faith shows the works of God living in our lives (James 2) such as:
-abiding in the Lord
-obedience to God's word
-living in righteousness through Holy Spirit
-sincerely repenting of sin as evidenced we no longer return to our old filthy ways

Whereas dead faith is belief in God, but God's works are not evidenced in our life. This faith does not save.
---Anne on 6/14/09

Dave~ Your teachings are complete, thorough, easy to understand, and exactly as the Bible teaches. Thanks for so diligently sharing and for sharing the COMPLETE truth of God's word. God bless.
---Anne on 6/14/09

MarkV~ You always make it sound like saved people are basically no different than unsaved people.

You always say things like:
-saved people are sinners
-we don't need to live in righteousness and obedience to the Lord to be saved.
-all we need to do is have faith in Jesus and works don't matter.

Mark, you are teaching a dead faith, not a living saving faith. James Ch 2 and Bible in general clearly teaches that saving faith means:

-We are made new creatures in Christ when born-again who no longer commit sin/darkness, but live in Light
-Heb 5:9 teaches He gives eternal life to all who obey Him.
-If our faith is without works of Christ (obedience,faithfulness and abiding in Him) then our faith is dead/useless.
---Anne on 6/14/09

Beware of servants of the devil who twist the Word of God by making the Atonement of Christ insufficient for our salvation. They believe His sacrifice on the Cross, His full perfect merits are not good enough to save us. They mix the gospel with works for salvation as Mormons, Jehovah Witnessess, Islam, even Rome, and teach that by duties of works one is saved. But Christianity is based only in the Sacrifice of Christ for those who could not keep the law perfect. "But God who is reach in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ, for by grace you have been saved, and raised together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus"
---MarkV. on 6/14/09

The reason I believe salvation is a legal binding contract already signed by the Lord Jesus Christ in his own blood is this, God has plainly stated what he will do if you call upon his name to be saved. In this contract already written by God , he God has frozen himself in a certain position from which he will not retreat. While witnessing to people many times I say, here's what God says. Now I would like to know what you say yes or no to a free gift from the creator Almighty God himself. It is at this point that many people desire to pray for their salvation!

I'm constantly told that I'm preaching easy believeism(which I agree that I am) and it is far too simple.
---mima on 6/14/09

The merits of Christ are never to be deluded with anything by anyone. All those who change it are doing what is called "the spirit of the Antichrist" for that spirit wants to replace Christ and teaches that if you are a good person and do so many good deeds, that it will qualify you to heaven. No men is worthy of heaven, that we are even save is a miracle of God, for all deserve death.
For we are encouraged to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who worketh in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure. And only because God is working through us, we strive to develope and to work out our own salvation. No God, no works that glorify Him, but all self-righteous works.
---MarkV. on 6/14/09

God is love. God also has wrath. God, through his word, tell us repeatedly to obey him. He announces reward for obedience that is inheritance in heaven, as well as punishment for disobedience that is in hell. Jesus Christ preached this message as his gospel. His apostles also preached the same. Never once God or his servants preached not to obey him, directly or indirectly. The gospel is to obey God to receive the inheritance in his kingdom.

Satan and his servants preach the opposite by twisting the word of God. Satan tried it even with Jesus. His servants teach indirectly not to obey God perverting God's word. They pretends as the servants of God. But they are servants of the devil. Beware of them.
---Dave on 6/14/09

Dave, thanks for putting the passages of warnings to all men. Those who reject God's warnings will fix their eternal destiny in hell, where they will retain their evil and filthy natures for all eternaity. Those who respond to the warning will fix their eternity in glory and realize perfect righteousness and holiness in heaven. According to his works for only those works which survive God's testing fire have eternal value and are worthy of reward at the Judgment Seat of Christ, But all those who were warned and refuse to obey their works will condemn them at the "Great White Throne of Judgment."
---MarkV. on 6/14/09

You as always twist the word of God and accuse the servants of righteousness, which the devil does all the time. It is not a surprise. I have explained 1John 1:6-10 to you many times. It is not that you do not understand, but you will not accept, because your master will not allow you to accept. Enjoy now, pay latter.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
---Dave on 6/14/09

Mark Eaton, great answer. I suppose every answer has been given already but does nothing to those who speak for works of righteousness to enter heaven. They delude the Gospel of Christ just as Rome did. That acts of goodness, following the Ten Commandments saves. But no one is saved without the sacrifice of Christ and His merits on the Cross. Jesus merits go down the drain when it has to be supplimented by the merits of men.
Christianity, the only religion in the World that is different then all others is polluted when the say we need works to enter heaven. All other religions in the world need works, they don't know or have any idea how much works. How good? How many Commandments? Can they keep them? No.
---MarkV. on 6/14/09

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Hebrews 12,
"let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"
"Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way, but let it rather be healed. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord". Therein lies our task. We are not to look at another man's shortcommings to justify ourselves, rather "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" whom said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
---Nana on 6/14/09

Dave, you have no idea what it is you are talking about. Which leaves me to believe you do not hear. It's hard for me to say you have no ears to hear but you don't. Nothing penetrates your heart. You call yourself righteous, obedient to the law, a worker of good deeds, and everyone else is not. But in every part of your body, even with your own answers, you are just as much a sinner as Anne, Miche, me and all those who are alive. Maybe not a murder, but a sinner nevertheless. Each day you are alive you sin. When you die and your flesh is dead, then maybe, if you are a genuine believer, you will recieve a new body. "If you say you are without sin you deceive yourself and the Truth is not in you" You are decieved.
---MarkV. on 6/13/09

Duane~ We can be very thankful that Dave so diligently reads scripture and understands what it means. For as the Bible tells us in Psalms 119:105 "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

You see, the Bible tells us that God's word is our light...His word gives us the directions we need so we know exactly what God wants us to do to live for Him and the directions we need so we can guard against deceptions.

God's word is our Light...and if we're not diligently following that Light, then we are going to be heading into the darkness.
---Anne on 6/13/09

Our salvation is a one-sided contract, just like any covenant that is made by God. We cannot fullfill our side of any covenant, and God knows this, but He makes a covenant with us on the basis of His own performance, not ours.

Our obligation in salvation is simply to believe that He is, have faith in Christ and His sacrifice, obey His commandments, and He does the rest.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/13/09

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Obeying God is godly righteousness. Disobedience to God in unrighteousness. Sinning is disobedience to God and it is unrighteousness. Why do you people venture to twist the word of God? Did God any time told people not to obey him?
---Dave on 6/13/09

MarkV~ Dave does not teach that merit is added to grace to earn salvation. Why do you twist what he says?

Dave teaches that unless we are living to be true deciples of Christ we are not saved by grace to begin with. A true deciple of Christ exhibits the following characteristics:

-abiding in the Lord
-obedience to the Lord with all one's heart.
-living in holiness, just character and righteousness of the Lord through the guidance of the Holy Spirit
-forsaking sin/darkness
-sincerely repenting of sin as evidenced we no longer return to our old filthy habits.

Unless we live as true deciples of Christ, we have never been saved by His grace. This is what Dave teaches and it's completely Biblical.
---Anne on 6/13/09


You are telling me to "Stop reading scriptures and start getting close to God." That is why you are so messed up. The word of God is light. You throw the light away, and embraced a god in the darkness without knowing he is Satan.
---Dave on 6/13/09

You have heard justification many times already. Can a complete blind man see anything?

God's justification is to convert sinning persons into just persons. Satan's justification is calling filthy sinning persons as righteous just persons. You belongs to the second.

You say that you just sleep with sin all the time, but you are not married to sin. So, sin is not your husband but you just give birth babies to sin. Great Mark. Enjoy your life. As long as sin is not your husband, it is okay. Is it okay Mark?
---Dave on 6/13/09

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Jesus died on the cross by obeying God the Father. Now he became the author of salvation to whomsoever obey him. Read Heb 5:7-9. You preach against obeying Jesus Christ and leading many people to hell. How can you escape?

God the Father is sending Jesus Christ to turn us away our iniquities. "Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in TURNING AWAY every one of you FROM HIS INIQUITIES." You vehemently deny this. Your Jesus Christ, who is another Jesus and anti-christ, is not turning away sins, but keeping sins very tight with people. He is Satan. You follow him.
---Dave on 6/13/09


This is reply to Dave-2.

Stop your bluff. There are two masters for you and me to chose one. 1. God the creator. 2. Satan the creation, who rebelled against God.

God says you cannot obey them both. But you will obey one, either God or Satan.

You openly preach not to obey God. You call the obedience as works, self righteousness, merit, etc,etc. By doing it you have chosen Satan as your master and calls him Jesus Christ. But the Bible says he is another Jesus and the anti-christ.

You twist the words of the Bible and give other meanings and deceive people. Nobody can deceive God, even you.
---Dave on 6/13/09

Mima~ How can a saved person continue to 'sin in the flesh' when the Bible teaches that those who commit sin are of the DEVIL.

What do you mean by a saved person "continuing to sin in the flesh?"

Do you mean that a saved person is allowed to knowingly still partake in sinful activities such as:
-evil thoughts?
-selfish ambitions? etc etc

When you say that a saved person still continues to 'sin in the flesh', you make it sound like the saved person is virtually no different than an unsaved person. The Bible teaches that those who don't follow Jesus and forsake ways of darkness will not inherit the Kingdom of God period.
---Anne on 6/13/09

Dave 2:Dave 2: For the full measure of Christ's work to be applied to us, however something else must take place. For us to be justified we must first be made righteous. If you could understand which of course you don't, is that you teach that merit has to be added together with faith in order for someone to be just. The same teachings as Rome. The RCC believes that grace, faith, and Christ are all necessary for the sinner's justification. They are necessary conditions, but not sufficient conditions. Merit must be added to grace.
But we believe that we are Justified by faith along, true faith. Christ merit and only His merit, is sufficient to satisfy the demands of God's justice. It is precisely this merit that is given to us by faith.
---MarkV. on 6/13/09

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MarkV has done an excellent job of explaining a saved person's righteousness before the Lord even as he continues to sin in the flesh.
---mima on 6/13/09

Dave, you have to understand Justification in order for you to know the state of a person when he is saved. All persons that are saved remain in himself a sinner, yet at the same time, "because of His faith in Jesus Christ, and by virtue of the imputation of Christ's righteousness, the person is considered just in the sight of God."
If God were to declare a person just or righteous when that person possess no righteousness whatsover, then God would be implicated in fraud. A person must posses righteousness. The question is, How does the sinner acquire the necessary righteousness? The Atonement is made for us, graciously by Christ. On the Cross Christ paid the debt required for our sins.
---MarkV. on 6/13/09

It seems all u do is read scripture but you dont comprehend what it means. Stop reading and start getting close to God in prayer. Let the Holy Spirit teach you.
---duane on 6/13/09


Usually, people present the word of God to read. You displaced it with your twisted philosophy.

You mean to say that you are justified freely by his grace to keep committing sin? And, is it that Christ liberated you from the slavery of God? Who is this Christ? Is he not the anti-christ?
---Dave on 6/12/09

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Please read:
God presented Christ as the One to turn aside His wrath, taking away sin through faith in HIS blood. HE did this to demonstrate HIS justice because in HIS forebearance(patience), HE left the sins committed beforehand unpunished. HE did this to demonstrate HIS justice at the present time.
We are justified(set right) freely by HIS grace, through the redemption(liberation from slavery) that came by Christ.
---duane on 6/12/09

Usually Christians do not see the covenant clearly. If we keep it, eternal life. If we do not obey it, then eternal damnation. God's covenant do not have the negotiating privileges. We have to accept as it is.
---Dave on 6/12/09

You said: how ignorant even after you see the verse: "Romans 3:25 ...through faith in HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the REMISSION of SINS THAT ARE PAST..."

Are you calling the word of God ignorant? How dumb that is?
---Dave on 6/12/09

In a certain sense it is a contract, or at least it is as binding. It is more like a Will or Irrevocable Trust, than a business contract.
You may leave an inheritance for your heirs. And after you die, the law requires your will becomes effective. Your heirs then have a right to what ever you have specified.

There is no law that forces them to accept what you have given, but usually thay do, happily.

Hbr 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

---Donna66 on 6/11/09

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Jesus died for us, we are the future. Our sins were future. Now we preach He died for only past sins? How ignorant.
---calhoon on 6/11/09

Salvation is two fold.
Lamb of God, Jesus of Nazareth OBEYED GOD, shed his blood on the cross and died. "Romans 3:25 ...through faith in HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the REMISSION of SINS THAT ARE PAST... Heb 5:9 being made perfect, he became the AUTHOR of ETERNAL SALVATION unto all THEM THAT OBEY HIM."
The BLOOD of JESUS forgives only the PAST SINS of only those WHO OBEY GOD.
"Acts 3:26 ... first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in TURNING AWAY every one of you FROM his INIQUITIES." Resurrected Jesus Christ is SPIRIT and he is TURNING AWAY the INIQUITIES of OBEDIENT followers. But, Christians are rejecting him.
---Dave on 6/11/09

To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

When we 'Sincerely Repent', we're vowing to denied the will of our flesh to Joyously Live in the Will of our Lord Jesus.

If later we're living in sin & rejecting His Spirit, then we didn't Sincerely denied the will of our flesh, in our initial vow of Repentance. Jesus is not deceived & He ONLY Saves Sincere Repenter.

God Judges us according to our will & by sincerely denied it, His Grace Draws us into Saving Faith in Christ. It's why the Lord said, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have Chosen you"

Just as "We're only able to Love God because He First Loved us", we're only able to obediently persist til the end by the Lord's Obedience unto Death Lives in us.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/4/09

Here, Ill get you started:

Hebrews 10: 16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
---kathr4453 on 2/3/07

I'd beware of those who avoid defining scripture....leaving out context scripture preceding the scriptures posted. Whats missing?:
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with house of Israel and with house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:7-9
By avoiding sciptures listing who covenant is too....unspoken statement is: 1. This person does not believe it. 2. Thinks to circumvent it.
3. Does not understand it.
Possibly all three.
---Trav on 6/2/09

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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

We're able to Love God because He First Loved us and it's only through being Drawn by God's Love into the Charity of Loving our Lord, God with all our Heart, Soul & Mind, that we're able to 'Endure'(persevere) all things :FOR Charity never faileth!!

Do not be deceived, it's not of your own strength but the 'Passion of Christ' which has persevered unto Salvation. All Glory goes to God for supplying all the needs of the Chosen Elect through His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus : Whose strength is made perfect in God's Children's weakness, enabling us to do all things, 'Persevering' in His Obedience Unto Death. (2Cor.12:9-10)
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The Body of Christ is a 'Great Team' who humbly & harmoniously works together for Christ sake to Edify the Brethren.

The will of God's Children is that 'His Will Be Done' AMEN. Salvation isn't a 'Reward' but a 'Inheritance' : God's Free Gift to 'Whosoever Ask'(James 4:1-3) to be Born-Again, into the Obedience Unto Death of Christ.

Now shall we sin, being Saved under Grace, God forbid!(Rom.6:15-22) We no longer put our Trust in man made teachings, no matter how nefariously wise, serious or sound it appears. God nor His Elect shall be deceived, because we have a relationship with His indwelling Spirit who Guides, Teaches & keep us in Remembrance of the Truth we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Our Salvation is bound by God Word in Christ to Lose Nothing that His Father has Saved & Sealed unto Him : and this Word shall not return to Him Void!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/31/09

salvation,I believe it,s a convenant.
---tom2 on 1/16/08

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To Pharisee-you wrote
"This is a human notion, that if I do that God will do this." Yet the Bible says in Romans 10:13," For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." To call the above Scripture a "human notion" is really stretching it. God's Word is not a human notion!!!!
---Mima on 1/16/08

mima, salvation is a gift of God.a free will choice to accept who ,what,and why jesus died,and that he was raised on the third choose to die to the flesh and be reborn in the spirit.
---tom2 on 1/16/08

Great question Mima...I know I'm a little late responding, in fact have nothing to add, I'm happily much to learn still and it's a joy.
---Christina on 2/22/07

Something I left out...also our Glorification.

Jesus's prayer in John 17 is all wrapped up in His last will and testament.

For those who would like to get started in their study.

Now, keep in mind this verse, so you can know you too can enter into the New Covenant.
Whosoever Will.
***John 17:20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
---kathr4453 on 2/3/07

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Here, Ill get you started:

Hebrews 10: 16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. It is Finished.
( No more need to offer bulls and goats) Read beginning of Heb 10
---kathr4453 on 2/3/07


How do you enter In?
19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21And having an high priest over the house of God;
---kathr4453 on 2/3/07


This part is great!

Hebrews 6: 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Praise God!
---kathr4453 on 2/3/07

The Contract is not between God and Man

Exactly who has God contracted?

Even after salvation without grace we are all still contract breakers because no one will ever consistently have perfect faith while living in a fallen body.

So God has made a contract with his son-himself? That's a vow or promise.
---Pharisee on 2/3/07

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A Legal Will may be more appropriate.

: a person who dies leaving a will or testament in force

Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Hebrews 9:17
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Jesus had to die and rise again to become the surety of the New Covenant.

***Great for an in-depth study!
---kathr4453 on 2/2/07

Pat, it is God who binds himself to the contract. Look at the pssg in Hebrews I cited.

Pharisee, technically, you are correct, grace is not a contract, but the CONDITIONS of grace is what God has bound himself (by these two immutable things...) to keep the conditions. That's because as the vassal, we are unable to keep any of the contract.
---John_T on 2/2/07

"Contract" is a very poor metaphor.

In a contract, both parties get what they agree to.

In salvation, we get BETTER than what we deserve.
---Jack on 2/2/07

Well, we are not stupid. When I stated that it was a contract I was thinking about the covenant and I still stand by it. Mabe it is the wording that throughs people. DARE to be different. Do we always have to be so religious? I do not and I love my GOD.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07

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Pharisee, The Contract is not between God and Man. The New Covenant Promises are sealed in the Blood of Jesus.

The *Surety* is a guarantee of our forgivness, sanctification, etc.... Jesus being our High Priest.
---kathr4453 on 2/2/07

Grace is not a contract.
---Pharisee on 2/2/07

Thank you John T. for the clear message you put down. I also have learned something from you today, and the message is a light to the joy I have in my hope, which is in Christ.
---lisa on 2/2/07

There is no "contract" but a God who saves.

This is a human notion, that if I do that God will do this.

Humans fail and anytime I've seen a contract fail for human error a judgment ensues. This is not a contract of that nature or no one is saved.
---Pharisee on 2/2/07

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Amen to your post John T. & again I say Amen. Yes, irrefutable.

To consider it as anything less, is to consider Him a liar.

The new testament is His covenant (Disposition, contract, will).

His will, written, performed, & then executed in His own blood. Legalized & Sealed with His death. And as Kat has pointed out, it is His surety.
---josef on 2/2/07

Mima, may our Lord richly bless you, also!

All I know came from others, and I willingly share it with others as part of my "reasonable service".
---John_T on 2/1/07

OK Observer: What would you mean by that. I do believe in OSAS. Have I ever indicated otherwise?
---kathr4453 on 2/1/07

---John thank you very much for your answer to this question. I may be old but you made a student out of me, and I'm just delighted to learn something new. May the Lord richly richly bless you!!!
---Mima on 2/1/07

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kathr4453 Your answer below here indicates you believe in OSAS. How about some consistancy?
---Observer on 2/1/07

Yep it is! As long as you fulfill the conditions of the contract.
---Pat on 2/1/07

kathr4453 Your answer below here indicates you believe in OSAS. How about some consistancy?
---Observer on 2/1/07

Salvation is a gift that keeps on giving. It is a gift with bonuses such as equality with, not to, God; right-standing with God; prayer; communion w/ the Holy Spirit; etc.(Philippians 2:5-6; 2Corinthians 5:21; 2Corinthians 13:14; 1Peter 3:12)
---Rickey on 2/1/07

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No human contract or agreement has the force of Gods spoken word. And where he has spoken certainly becomes certain. Almighty God will do what he says he will do and not to believe that is in effect calling God a liar.
---Mima on 2/1/07

1/ YES!!! Both Deuteronomy and Hebrews demonstrate that salvation is in the form of a contract given to believers and enforced by God himself.

Taught in the laws of Egypt, Moses wrote Deuteronomy in the format of a Suzerainty treaty. God ratified it when he walked through the split-open sacrifice with Abram in Genesis 19.

The suzerainty treaty is between a superior king and an inferior According to this treaty, only the vassal is bound by oath, but Hebrews shows that God flipped that.
---John_T on 2/1/07

You Bet:

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1 : the state of being sure: as a : sure knowledge : CERTAINTY b : confidence in manner or behavior : ASSURANCE
2 a : a formal engagement (as a pledge) given for the fulfillment of an undertaking : GUARANTEE b : a basis of confidence or security
3 : one who has become legally liable for the debt, default, or failure in duty of another

Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a ***SURETY*** of a better testament. KJV

Oh How I Love Jesus!!!
---kathr4453 on 2/1/07

3/ Thus the same salvation given to Abram, who believed God, and God credited his belief as his righteousness, is given to believes, having the same nature:

1) It is guaranteed by God himself, thus OSAS is true
2) It is unconditional. Though man fails, God does not
3) It is based on faith, not works. Faith comes first, then righteousness is imputed (charged over) unto believers.

Cults emphasize self-maintenance of salvation, a foreign concept to the Divine Suzerainty treaty.
---John_T on 2/1/07

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2/ Heb6:16: for men swear by the greater: and in every dispute of theirs the oath is final for confirmation. 17 Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath; 18 that by two immutable {unchangeable] things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, [that is his promise and his intrinsic nature] we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us...
---John_T on 2/1/07

"Legality / Legal / Legalism" are words which I believe refer to systems set up and maintained by humans and monitors human behaviour or interactions. God's systems are set up and maintained only by Him and thus do not require legal contracts. SALVATION is a free gift through a covenant.
---Caree3694 on 2/1/07

It is the moment, you are saved. and only you can break it. God never leaves us unless we first leave Him.
---CATHERINE on 2/1/07

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