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Seeing all the bickering on this blog, I believe a lot of people on here don't have a Christian Birthday
---non-believer on 2/24/07

Jay, NVBarbara, and Donna6598,
I agree with you all. It grieves me to see the bickering, and judging. The meaning behind the blog questions get lost, and the disagreement, goes on and on.
It's unfair to those who wish to read what others have to say about the question, to have to read through the disagreements.
---lynet on 2/22/07

AMEN Jay! Every blog seems to wander down a path until everyone is squabbling and arguments insue.
Aren't most of us adults here, can't we stay on the subject? It gets tedious to see all the finger pointing!
---NVBarbara on 2/22/07

Jesus NEVER argued the truth. He stated the truth and whoever didn't believe him, he didn't argue with them to try to get them to see the truth.
ARGUING WITH PEOPLE WILL NEVER GET THEM TO SEE YOUR TRUTH. So please stop arguing. A non-Christian comes here and sees all this bickering, no wonder why people aren't getting saved. Who wants to be a part of this argumentative attitude?
---donna6598 on 2/22/07

Where are all the wonderful testimonies about people's CHRISTIAN BIRTHDAY?

All I see are opinions and arguments.
---Jay on 2/22/07

Rebecca D - You are right. Jesus had finished the work of redemption on the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 2/19/07

Helen: you are incorrect. Because Jesus told God that he finished the work he had him to do on earth and he bowed his head and died. John 17:1-4, John 19:30,
---Rebecca_D on 2/19/07

Catherine - You are incorrect. Jesus' life on earth was not finished when He cried from the Cross "It is finished". He rose from the dead three days later, and did not go back to Heaven straight away. He ate with His disciples and spoke with them etc. before He went back.
---Helen_5378 on 2/19/07

gef, thank you for your honesty. When I first got saved back in 1982, the Lord put on my heart and my brother in the Lord's heart to pray for a friend's uncle who was high up in a Satanic cult for a long time.
I was a new Christian, so I was shocked when a month later he denounced Satan and became a Christian. God gets the glory for this. Believe it or not, God loves you. It's not too late no matter what you think. I will not put you down. I will pray for you.
---follower_of_Jesus on 2/19/07

Helen- 5378 Jesus life here on this EARTH WAS FINISHED.
---catherine on 2/16/07

Helen- 5378 Jesus life here on this EARTH WAS FINISHED. As a HUMAN BEING.
---catherine on 2/16/07

Catherine - ("His life is now finished") -- Incorrect, because Jesus rose from the dead.
---Helen_5378 on 2/16/07

Matthew - A true believer remains saved by believing that Jesus died on the Cross for them.

("He only gives that righteousness to those that want it") -- Totally incorrect. The righteousness of God is imparted to a believer the very moment that they become born-again. I had His righteousness, but did know it until later when I read it in His Word.
---Helen_5378 on 2/16/07

I can explain why Jesus cried out it is finished, on the Cross. His life is now Finished. Also He cried out it is finished==Man's Redemption and SALVATION IS NOW COMPLETED. A fatal blow is given to the power of Satan. Yea! Any true Christian knows the power of our Lord and our God as to why, that was all necessary for you and I.
---catherine on 2/16/07

2)Helen I do not believe for one second that it is by my works I am saved. Because I know it is by the grace of God that we receive the rightesousness of Christ. He only gives that rightesousness to those that want it Helen. True Christians want it Helen. The obedience you see in a believer comes from Christ and not Himself, because he chooses to yield and abide in Him.
---Matthew on 2/16/07

4)Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
---Matthew on 2/16/07

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5) But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people......5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy personsuch a man is an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.
---Matthew on 2/16/07

6) A true believer is obedient because he chooses to abide in Christ. He is not justified by His obedience but by the faith in Christ AND the Gospel. We can't choose to ignore John,James and Paul. A person is saved because they hold their faith in the entire gospel. Not just what they like to hear.
---Matthew on 2/16/07

Just by reading all these posts, I believe we have entered the dawn of apostasy.
---Steveng on 2/15/07

Matthew - You are saying then that we must do something for our own salvation. Hogwash. Either Jesus paid it all on the Cross, or He didn't. How do you explain "the just shall live by faith" (Galatians 3:11). How do you explain why Jesus cried from the Cross "It is finished".
---Helen_5378 on 2/15/07

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*Faith leads to salvation is a lie from the Devil himself.*

A better and more appropriate wording is "That faith alone leads to salvation is a lie from the Devil himself.
Of course faith is essential. Forgive me.
---Matthew on 2/15/07

2) (1 John 2:3-6)We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[b] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

John didn't stutter here. Thank God for John and his bluntness. He never held back when it came to obedience.
---Matthew on 2/15/07

3)(1 John 3:9-10) No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
---Matthew on 2/15/07

4) Keep in mind I never said it is obedience that saves us. Neither does the Bible. However, it DOES say a Christian MUST be obedient. If one is not then he is not a Christian no matter how much faith they have in Jesus Christ.(Galations 5:19-21)

If you are still unconvinced James brings up what happens when we have faith with no obedience behind it.
---Matthew on 2/15/07

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5) (James 2:14-16)14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
---Matthew on 2/15/07

James 2:20-21"You foolish man,do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone."
---Matthew on 2/15/07

7) Helen, James calls those who believe that faith is all you need, fools. He said these things for a reason. He stressed it for a reason. Obedience must coincide with faith or it is dead. Faith leads to salvation is a lie from the Devil himself.
---Matthew on 2/15/07

Matthew - Salvation is totally in Christ alone in His finished work on the Cross for sin, otherwise it is not salvation. The things you mentioned follow on after one is saved. Obedience etc. does not determine one's salvation. Faith in Jesus' finished work on the Cross is what determines one's salvation. Nothing is to be added to this finished work; it is already done.
---Helen_5378 on 2/15/07

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*the only way for anybody to receive salvation is to believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for their sins*

There are many that already believe this. Actually about 80% of Americans believe this, but not all of them are going to heaven. You can tell by their fruits. They were NEVER born again. Jesus said" You must be born again." There are many who believe Jesus Christ died on the Cross to save them yet they aren't born again.
---Matthew on 2/14/07

2) They aren't born again because they choose to ignore the other IMPORTANT fundamentals of the Gospel which include repentance,humbling before God and yielding(submitting) to God. Also a true Christian obeys the Lord. True Christians obey the Lord's commandments because God's love is made complete in them. (1John 2:3-5)
---Matthew on 2/14/07

StevenG What you SEEM to be saying is that unless one believes ALL the little details that YOU beleive, one can't be saved.
Helen showed what we need to believe (and accept) to be saved.
All the detail about OSAS, predestination, rapture, which day to worship, difference between soul & spirit, & do they die etc etc etc, is unnecessary clouding of the basic faith we all share.
But it is those trifling details that cause all the bitter fighting here.
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/13/07

AlanUK: "Can't we accept that we can each find the truth, but through different perspectives?" Absolutely not. This is what causes dissention among Christians. Perspectives is like taking a detour from Christianity. There is only one truth, one perspective, one road that leads to Heaven.
---Steveng on 2/13/07

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Helen ... I'm so glad to hear you say the truth that "the only way for anybody to receive salvation is to believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for their sins"
What I meant was that some learn & receive this truth through the blinding flashes (Paul was an early example) some through lifelong nurture.
I do not know of any Christian denomination (and certainly not RC or Orthodox) which beleives otherwise.
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/13/07

Helen ... My concern and sorrow arises from the fact that so many here seem to be saying "Even if you believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for their sins, and accept that gift, you have also got to beleive such & such & deny such and such, or you can't be saved"
Not all denominations say this, but many, and many non-denominationals, do, as evidenced on these blogs
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/13/07

Helen5378-you say that, Nobody is a Christian for all of their life.

What about John the Baptist? and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

I admit it's rare today that someone is saved from the womb, but "with God all things are possible." Have Faith that God can do anything, amen?
---donna6598 on 2/13/07

You have been missed Alan, but then again I am having trouble navigating the blogs, but I hadn't seen any by you in a while.
I've watched these blogs drop to the bottom by the dissention among the bloggers. We should ALL come here with Christian love and share that with others. I see so much back biting here its disturbing. Can't we share without so much bitterness?
---NVBarbara on 2/13/07

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AlanUKquent - ("..some who are given salvation through suddne blinding flashes, others by years of loving nurture") -- Alan, the only way for anybody to receive salvation is to believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for their sins. This statement of yours is very misleading, and it is what Eucumenism, which is heretical, teaches. There is salvation only in the Cross of Christ and Jesus' finished work there for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 2/13/07

I agree with John6747
Ho sad that what started with those testimonies, from both Catholic and non-Catholic Christians, should so quickly have been turned into yet another anti-Catholic circus.
Can't we accept that there are some who are given salvation through suddne blinding flashes, others by years of loving nurture. Can't we accept that we can each find the truth, but through different perspectives?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/12/07

Why can't we just say ... that way is not for me ... I see it differently, I have experienced God's love in a different way?
Why does there have to be this ferocious hatered of another tradition ... when some those who atttac the RCC so viciously don't even understand that the Orthodox church believe much the same as RCC?
I can quite understand that some can say, I was RCC but became saved elsewhere, and that others may say, I found my Lord through the RCC.
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/12/07

NvBarbara ... You're quite right ... the squabbles are spoiling these blogs ... so many hidden agendas ... honest and loving disagreeemt and discussion is turned into bitterness, and in many cases personal attack. And so often no attempt made to understand the other's view, and sometimes even what seems to be deliberate misinterpretation of the other's arguments.
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/12/07

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Sorry to write all that, but I've coma back after a few days away and find nothing but squabble.
Someone is having a heyday. Guess who?
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/12/07

AMEN John, this is getting to be the norm on most blogs, I'm rarely writing anymore due to all the squabbles. Can't you folks stay on subject?
Start over people, GBY!
---NVBarbara on 2/12/07

Kay::All sacraments were Authorised BY Jesus NOT The POPE.blatant statements are not becoming of Baptism:Mat,28;19-20Ezek;36.25-26Confirmation:Jn;14;16 & J7;38,Lk24;29
Pennance:Lk13.5;Jn20.19-23:Holy Orders: Psalms110.4.Jn20;22-23: Anointing;Mk6.11-13 James.5.14-15. MATRIMONY a sacred Contract Jn15;12:Mat.19.9; luke16.18. Eph.5.22-24&33
---Emcee on 2/12/07

ATTENTION EVERYONE! If you go back to the first page of this blog, you will notice it started with wonderful testimonies of people in the Lord who were thankful that God saved them from death to bring eternal life. Than there was a turn towards evil, when one individual and then another tried to put a firey dart right down the middle of God getting any more glory. We all know who these people are, but we really know who is the author of this evil. The blog is called "Your Christian Birthday".
---John6747 on 2/11/07

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"Kay:Those weren't given by Jesus But by the Pope"What are we talking about?Or do you think I quote scripture just to impress you .No!!!"

Emcee, those tools that you mentioned are the Catholic sacraments,right? Those sacraments are invented by the Pope. They aren't from Jesus.
---Kay6588 on 2/11/07

Kay:Those weren't given by Jesus But by the Pope"What are we talking about?Or do you think I quote scripture just to impress you .No!!! I will not argue, you are as determined as you want to be .I do not come to Preach OR Teach. I am here to make a statement of FACT as laid down in His book,in honest dialogue. I AM SORRY.Thanks for listening .
---Emcee on 2/11/07

1./ On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me."
---Caring on 2/11/07

2./ Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me."

These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?"

And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"
---Caring on 2/11/07

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1./ It is not enough for us to say: "I love God," but I also have to love my neighbor. St. John says that you are a liar if you say you love God and you don't love your neighbor. How can you love God whom you do not see, if you do not love your neighbor whom you see, whom you touch, with whom you live?
---Caring on 2/11/07

2./ And so it is very important for us to realize that love, to be true, has to hurt. I must be willing to give whatever it takes not to harm other people and, in fact, to do good to them.

This requires that I be willing to give until it hurts. Otherwise, there is no true love in me and I bring injustice, not peace, to those around me.
---Caring on 2/11/07

Never. As a pagan and witch in training, I'm here as a form of study required by my coven. Im supposed to mingle, voice my opinions and observe without prejudice. (Although sometimes its hard with some of the narrow minded replies!)
---Gef on 2/11/07

"Am I perfect? well kay dear I utilise all the tools Jesus left us to believe & attain the degree of perfection as is best to our human ability"

Those weren't given to you by Jesus. Those were given to you by the Pope.

We boldly say that we are saved because Jesus said that we are. We have full assurance of faith. We are saved when we trust Christ as our personal Savior. Eternal life is given to us at that very moment.
---Kay6588 on 2/11/07

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KayD:The line of comparision is that our righteousness are like filthy rags as there is no comparison. By Jesus Grace His acceptaance,we begin to become more like Him & fit for rehabilitation with Him. We are required to attain that perfection by the means He has left us; of course, if we continue to live the way we are & make no change then we will continue to be like filthy Rags. Remember He said "I live in him & He who eats me He lives in Me".don't deny His food of life everlasting.
---Emcee on 2/11/07

"forgetting that nothing defiled enters heaven!!!"

Emcee, do you believe that doing a certain amount of good works will cleanse you of sin? Why did Jesus die if we can save our own souls by doing good deeds? Only Jesus' blood can purify a sinner. Each Christian has been purified by the blood of Christ and are no longer defiled. Let the blood of Christ cleanse you, Emcee. Don't depend on works of the law or works of righteousness to save your soul.
---Kay6588 on 2/11/07

"KD:: Perfect=Complete because to be complete in God is to be Perfect & so we strive to attain that degree Of Completeness or perfection as already stated."

Emcee, if being complete in God means to be perfect then no one is complete in God and never will be in this life. When we receive Jesus as Savior, we are at that very moment fully complete in Christ.
---Kay6588 on 2/11/07

KD:: Perfect=Complete because to be complete in God is to be Perfect & so we strive to attain that degree Of Completeness or perfection as already stated .Am I perfect? well kay dear I utilise all the tools Jesus left us to believe & attain the degree of perfection as is best to our human ability & that is why Catholics HOPE for His mercy unlike Christians who boldly declare I am saved,inspite of their offenses against God ,forgetting that nothing defiled enters heaven!!!
---Emcee on 2/10/07

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"Matt546-48If you say it is impossible to be perfect Then Jesus is telling a lie."

Emcee, are you perfect? Do you never make mistakes?
Matthew 5:48 isn't referring to sinless perfection. The Bible says that no one is good and our so-called righteousness is as filthy rags. We are all sinners so we cannot be without sin in this life. The word "perfect" in this passage means "complete". We are complete in Christ.
---Kay6588 on 2/10/07

Since 1999. I have grown so much in Christ and I'm still growing in him. I am so thankful that Jesus died for my sins and that I am one of his. It is a privlage to be able to call upon his name.
---Rebecca_D on 2/10/07

KD::We Arrive Pure.The only stain was inherited. Sin washed by Water initiated you to His flock.The sins you developed were by your own intellect.What if you,Believed in Jesus remained pure till you died would you be perfect,& go to heaven? YES because,U R Pure. so you see it is not an impossibility. But yes an improbability why Your choice.Why are there Saints in Heaven.Because they lived in Christ in this world.You can do the same Jesus made that provision Eat me & Ill live in You.
---Emcee on 2/10/07

If a Man is not "Good", what is He? And if
that Man realizing his shortcomings gives
himself to Prayer and Fasting and to Love
unfeigned, what is He? If he
having attained to all mysteries and powers
of Creation could set himself up as the ruler
of the World but he rather serves than be
served, what is He? If he sees the same
shortcomings in others and moved to
compassion seeks to teach others that they
too may attain as he has, what is He?
---Nana on 2/10/07

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Matt546-48If you say it is impossible to be perfect Then Jesus is telling a lie.
---Emcee on 2/9/07

Kay D& Mary ::You disbelieve what is said in love so be dont believe me Believe His word& I quote Matt.4;4.Matt5;17-20:Matt5:46-48Matt7:21-23.I have never attempted to delude you. If I dont know I will not answer.I do not write long epistles ,The catholic Church guided by the Holy spirit teaches with love Patience kindness.& the only reason I impress on you is because you know why.I shall not say more.God be with you Kd.
---Emcee on 2/9/07

To enter heaven you have to Reach that state of PERFECTION"

Thats not from God, Emcee! We enter Heaven by the blood of Jesus Christ,not by our so-called perfection. No one is good enough (Isaiah 64:6). If we enter Heaven because of something that we have done then Jesus Christ died in vain. Was His blood shed for absolutely nothing? There are many people going to Hell who thought that they could gain a place in Heaven by doing good deeds.
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07

"why???Gen says "lets make Man to our Image & likeness" WHY?"

Emcee, this passage doesn't mean that we have to be perfect like God in order to go to Heaven. You're fooling yourself if you think you can achieve perfection.
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07

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"Nothing defiled enters"

Emcee, those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb are no longer considered defiled. Each born again believer has been washed of their sins by Jesus' blood. We aren't cleansed by doing works.
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07


"Therefore by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight...Being justified FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith IN HIS BLOOD...Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? NO, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."- Romans 3:24-28
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07

"Did I need to be BORN again when I already knew That Jesus was, Is, & always be, my Saviour??"

Emcee, Jesus becomes your personal Savior when you are born again. You MUST be born again. All those works that you mentioned did not and will not save your soul. Catholic so-called "holy" water cannot wash away your sins. I guess the blood of Christ isn't sufficient for Catholics. I hope you trust Christ ALONE for salvation before your journey on this earth is over.
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07

"Its how you perform from Birth to death."

Emcee, thats not what God said in His Word. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with how we perform from birth to death. Its all about what Jesus did for us on the cross. Its not about us, its about Him. We become saints when Jesus cleanses us of our sins (the moment we trust Him as Savior). We don't become saints by doing good deeds.."not of works, lest any man should boast."-Eph 2:8-9
We are justified by His blood-Romans 5:9
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07

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"The inbetween On how you advance to perfection, IN GODS WAY AS LAID DOWN BY HIM."

Emcee, no one advances to perfection in this life. Its impossible while we are living within bodies of corruption.
---Kay6588 on 2/9/07

You are NOT correct emcee. Your making up your own story again. I want to gag when I read your untruths. Born again applies for always. Now your trying to put words in God's mouth.
---Mary on 2/8/07

The term "Born again ""Is misleadingIt was used by Jesus at a time when He started his doctrine.Nicademus wanted to know more asked?With the resultant Quote "Born from above"The world was Pagan at this time Knowledge of God was at its lowest pitch.Christianity hasbeen around 2007 years; THE TERM IS APPLICABLE to those who are Christians by Rote But are not Practicing Christians who suddenly need to find a heritage & anchorage ENTER the Denominations,each claiming authenticity.
---Emcee on 2/8/07

Caring: This was not directed to You You are a Catholic & are respondsible for your own destiny. As I said To set the record straight it was about my self & My teaching since the beginning of this journey working towards Eternity.Sorry for the Typo ETC always make that mistakie.ect-oops
---Emcee on 2/8/07

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Emcee asked: I ask you what is that ect? - Did you ask that question to me, Emcee?

If yes, then the ETC means all I and others have written before. No use to repeat that we have to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and obey His Commandments.

I also believe that Christian life has to be lived in the day to day life by being good spouse, parent, friend, etc.
---Caring on 2/8/07

Do you see how the devil works? This blog stared out with testimonies by true Christians who have joy to share them.
Then the unsaved stepped in to try and destroy this with their untruths and anger. The dangerous part is, that these people think that they are real Christians, but they clearly are not. They are fooling only themselves. You will know them by their fruits. They are counterfeit christians.
---watching on 2/8/07

caring, obviously you are afraid to answer the question. The question was presented to you about how one gets to heaven. You don't know, do you?
---Marie on 2/8/07

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